UK's only climate skeptic party crushingly wins the EU election

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UPDATE: A cartoon from Josh drawn about a year ago has been added. See below.

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

The United Kingdom Independence Party, the only climate-skeptical party in Britain, has scored a crushing victory in Sunday’s elections to the Duma of the European Union.

Britain’s most true-believing party, the Greens, won one or two new seats, but the second most true-believing party and junior partner in the Children’s Coalition that currently governs at Westminster, the “Liberal” “Democrats” (who are neither), were all but wiped off the map.

The European Duma, like that of Tsar Nicholas II in Russia, has no real power. It cannot even bring forward a Bill, for that vital probouleutic function is the sole right of the unelected Kommissars – the official German name for the tiny, secretive clique of cuisses-de-cuir who wield all real power in the EU behind closed doors.

The Kommissars also – bizarrely – have the power to set aside votes of the elected Duma, which doesn’t even get to vote in the first place without their permission. Democratic it isn’t.

The outgoing Hauptkommissar, Manuel Barroso, is a Maoist – and, like nearly all of the Kommissars, a naïve true-believer in the hard-Left climate-extremist Party Line that is turning Europe into a bankrupt, unconsidered economic backwater.

In the Duma recently (where the Kommissars, though unelected, may sit and speak but not vote), Barroso said there was a “99% consensus” among scientists about the climate. Actually 0.5%, Manuel, baby: read Legates et al., 2013.

Because the Duma is a parliament of eunuchs, UKIP’s couple of dozen members of the European Parliament won’t be able to make very much difference to anything except their bank balances – they all become instant multi-millionaires.

However, after opposition to the EU’s militantly anti-democratic structure and to the mass immigration that has been forced upon Britain as a direct result, UKIP’s third most popular policy with the voters is its opposition to the official EU global-warming story-line.

It was I, as deputy leader of the party in 2009/10, who had the honor of introducing UKIP’s climate policy to the Press. Their reports, as usual, were sneeringly contemptuous. Now the sneers are beginning to falter.

The leadership thought long and hard before adopting the policy. I said we could not lose by adopting a policy that had the twin merits of being true and being otherwise unrepresented in British politics. Private polling confirmed this, so the policy was adopted.

For interest, here – in full – is UKIP’s climate policy as I promulgated it in 2010:

“Global warming: is it just a scam?

“The IPCC’s 1990 First Assessment Report made wildly-exaggerated projections of how global temperature would rise. Yet for the past 15 years [now nigh on 18 years] there has been no statistically-significant “global warming” at all, as a leading IPCC scientist has now admitted. For nine years there has been a rapid cooling trend. None of the IPCC’s computer models predicted that.

“The 1995 Second Assessment Report, in the scientists’ final draft, said five times there was no discernible human influence on climate. Yet one man rewrote the report, replacing all five statements with a single statement saying precisely the opposite. He later said IPCC processes permitted this single-handed rewrite, which has been the official policy ever since.

“The 2001 Third Assessment Report contained a graph contradicting the First Report by falsely abolishing the medieval warm period, which, like the Roman, Minoan, and Holocene optima, and 7500 of the past 11,400 years, and each of the four previous interglacial warm periods, and most of the past 600 million years, was warmer than today. Some 800 scientists from more than 460 institutions in 42 countries over 25 years have written peer-reviewed, learned papers providing evidence that the Middle Ages were warmer than today.

“The 2007 Fourth Assessment Report’s key conclusion that, with 90% confidence, most of the warming since 1950 was manmade is disproven by measurements. A natural decline in global cloud cover from 1983-2001 (Pinker et al., 2005) caused most of that warming.

“The IPCC’s false “90% confidence” estimate was not reached by scientists: it was decided by a show of hands among political representatives who had few scientific qualifications.

“A lead author of the Fourth Assessment Report admits that, “to influence governments”, he knowingly inserted a falsehood to the effect that the Himalayas will be ice-free in 25 years.

“Many other false conclusions of the IPCC were authored not by scientists but by campaigning journalists, members of environmental propaganda groups or IPCC bureaucrats.

“The first table of figures in the IPCC’s 2007 Report did not add up. Bureaucrats had inserted it, overstating tenfold 40 years’ contributions of Greenland and Antarctic ice to sea-level rise.

“The IPCC’s conclusion that CO2 has a major warming effect is false. In the pre-Cambrian era 750 million years ago the Earth was an ice-planet, with glaciers at sea level at the Equator: yet atmospheric CO2 concentration was 300,000 ppmv – 700 times today’s 388 ppmv. If CO2 had the large warming effect the IPCC imagines, the glaciers could not have been there.

“In the Cambrian era 550 million years ago, CO2 concentration was 7000 ppmv (IPCC, 2001): yet that was when the first calcite corals achieved algal symbiosis. In the Jurassic era 175 million years ago, CO2 concentration was 6000 ppmv (IPCC, 2001): yet that was when the first aragonite corals came into existence. While the oceans continue to run over rocks, they must remain pronouncedly alkaline. Ocean “acidification” is a chemical impossibility.

“Many peer-reviewed papers (e.g. Douglass et al., 2004, 2008, 2009; Schwartz, 2007; Monckton, 2008; Lindzen & Choi, 2009) show that the IPCC has exaggerated the warming effect of greenhouse gases up to 7-fold. Without that exaggeration, there is no climate crisis.

“The economics of global warming

“Millions have died of starvation, or are menaced by it, because the world’s governments have unwisely trusted the UN’s climate panel (the IPCC) and the self-serving national scientific institutions that have profiteered by parroting its now-discredited findings.

“The World Bank has reported that three-quarters of the doubling of world food prices that occurred two years ago is directly attributable to the global dash for biofuels.

“Herr Ziegler, the UN’s Right-to-Food Rapporteur, has said that while millions are starving the diversion of farmland from food to biofuels is “a crime against humanity”.

“Lord Stern’s discredited report on climate economics unrealistically adopted a near-zero discount rate for appraisal of “investment” in carbon-dioxide mitigation and doubled the IPCC’s already-exaggerated high-end estimate of the warming to be expected from CO2. Without these grave economic and scientific errors, no case for spending any taxpayers’ money on mitigation of CO2 emissions can be made.

“A carbon-trading scheme that sets a low price for the right to emit a ton of carbon dioxide is merely a tax and does not affect the climate, while a high price drives our jobs and industries overseas to countries which emit more CO2 than us, raising mankind’s global CO2 footprint. The chief profiteers from carbon trading are banks.

“A steelworks at Redcar is closing with the loss of 1700 jobs, because the European carbon-trading scheme has made it uneconomic. Precisely the same steelworks will be re-erected in India. Net effect on the climate: nil. Net effect on British workers’ jobs: catastrophic.

“If we were to shut down the entire global carbon economy altogether, and go back to the Stone Age but without even the right to light a carbon-emitting fire in our caves, it would take 41 years to forestall just 1 C° of “global warming”. The cost is disproportionate.

“Even if the IPCC were right in imagining that a doubling of CO2 concentration will cause as much as 3.26 ± 0.69 C° of “global warming”, adaptation as and if necessary would be orders of magnitude cheaper and more cost-effective than attempting to limit CO2 emissions.

“Global warming gurus humbled

“Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, who chairs IPCC’s climate science panel, is a railroad engineer. The Charity Commission is investigating TERI-Europe, a charity of which Pachauri and his predecessor as IPCC science chairman were trustees. The charity filed false accounts three years running, under-declaring its income by many hundreds of thousands of pounds.

“Dr. “Phil” Jones, director of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, on which the IPCC has relied for its global temperature record, has stepped down after a whistleblower published emails between him and other leading IPCC scientists revealing manipulation, concealment and intended destruction of scientific results.

“Dr. Jones has admitted that his Unit has lost much of the data on which the IPCC relies. The “Climategate” files show his Unit received millions in increased taxpayer funding so that it could investigate “global warming”.

“Al Gore has made hundreds of millions from “global warming”, and may become the first climate-change billionaire. In 2007 a High Court judge found nine errors in his film serious enough to require 77 pages of corrective guidance to be sent to every school in England.

“On Gore’s notion that sea level would imminently rise by 20 feet (6.1 m), the judge ruled: “The Armageddon scenario that he depicts is not based on any scientific view.” IPCC (2007) projects sea-level rise of 1-2 ft by 2100: Mörner (2004, 2010) projects just 4 ± 4 in.

“Gore said a scientific study had found polar bears dying as they swam to find ice. In fact, Monnett & Gleason (2006) had reported just four bears killed in a bad storm. For 30 years there has been no decline in sea-ice in the Beaufort Sea, where the bears died. There are many times more polar bears today than in 1940.

“Gore said Mount Kilimanjaro’s glacier had lost much of its ice because of “global warming”. In fact, the cause was desiccation of the atmosphere caused by regional cooling (Molg et al., 2003). Mean summit temperature has averaged –7 °C for 30 years and, in that time, summit temperature has never risen above –1.6 °C. The Fürtwängler glacier at the summit began receding in the 1880s, long before mankind could have had any influence over the climate. Half the glacier had gone before Hemingway wrote The Snows of Kilimanjaro in 1936.

“What is to be done

“Royal Commission on global warming science and economics

“UKIP would appoint a Royal Commission on global warming science and economics, under a High Court Judge, with advocates on either side of the case, to examine and cross-examine the science and economics of global warming with all the evidential rigour of a court of law.

“The remit of the Royal Commission would be to decide –

Ø “Whether and to what degree the IPCC has exaggerated climate sensitivity to CO2 or other greenhouse gases;

Ø “Whether and under what conditions, if any, the IPCC’s imagined consequences of the present rate of atmospheric CO2 enrichment will be beneficial or harmful;

Ø “Whether and under what conditions, if any, mitigation of global warming by reducing carbon emissions will be cheaper and more cost-effective than adaptation as, and if, necessary;

Ø “Whether and under what conditions any emissions-trading scheme can make any appreciable difference to the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, and whether and to what degree, if any, any such difference would affect global surface temperature.

“Other climate-change measures

“Pending the report of the Royal Commission, UKIP would immediately –

Ø “Repeal the Climate Change Act, and close the Climate Change Department;

Ø “Halt all UK contributions to the IPCC and to the UN Framework Convention;

Ø “Halt all UK contributions to any EU climate-change policy, including carbon trading;

Ø “Freeze all grant aid for scientific research into “global warming”.

“In any event, UKIP would immediately –

Ø “Commission enough fossil-fuelled and nuclear power stations to meet demand;

Ø “Cease to subsidize wind-farms, on environmental and economic grounds;

Ø “Cease to subsidize any environmental or “global-warming” pressure-groups;

Ø “Forbid public authorities to make any “global-warming”-related expenditure;

Ø “Relate Met Office funding to the accuracy of its forecasts;

Ø “Ban global warming propaganda, such as Gore’s movie, in schools;

Ø “Divert a proportion of the billions now wasted on the non-problem of global warming towards solving the world’s real environmental problems.

“UKIP has been calling for a rational, balanced approach to the climate debate since 2008, when extensive manipulation of scientific data first became clear. There must be an immediate halt to needless expenditure on the basis of a now-disproven hypothesis.

“Given our unprecedented national debt crisis, not a penny must be wasted, not a single job lost to satisfy vociferous but misguided campaigners, often led by ill-informed media celebrities, profiteering big businesses, insurance interests and banks. The correct policy approach to the non-problem of global warming is to have the courage to do nothing.”

If you know of any political party, anywhere, that has a climate policy more vigorously and healthily skeptical than UKIP, let me know in comments.

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May 29, 2014 6:56 am

Anyway, let’s call a truce. I accept that UKIP’s climate policy was a factor in their victory. We disagree about its importance. I’d put it say 5th or 6th, you’d put it at 3rd. There’s no point in arguing about that forever. It’s a difference of opinion. My main objection was on what I feel is the overuse of the word “troll”, where presumably we also disagree.

May 29, 2014 7:10 am

Monckton of Brenchley says:
May 28, 2014 at 9:48 pm
Mr Whitman asks which of UKIP’s recent public statements addresses the climate. Try the energy policy document, or Mr Farage’s head-to-head with Barroso in the European duma on supposedly melting sea ice, or the demand by one of our MEPs that the teaching of climate propaganda in schools should be banned, or Mr Helmer’s statement on the absence of “97% consensus”, or UKIP’s 2014 EU manifesto itself, which ranked climate change policy third after leaving the EU and controlling immigration, precisely as I had said in the head posting.

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Monckton of Brenchley,
Thank you for a timely reply. Your reply is interesting as it indicates your basis of extolling the UKIP in the election just completed as having currently a climate skeptic position.
The UKIP does say some things recently leading up to the completed election that gives some impressions of opposing the climate related policies of its political opponents, however, does that mean it has a basic skeptical position on alarming AGW from CO2? I do no see sufficient evident that it currently has a basic skeptical position on alarming AGW from CO2.
I am willing to look at further evidence that the UKIP may currently have a basic skeptical position on alarming AGW from CO2. I remain skeptical about it.
John

avi ben barzel
May 29, 2014 8:30 am

Ha ha ha ha!

May 29, 2014 9:19 am

moderator,
Please note the double entry of the same post which currently are both in moderation. Please delete one.
John
[5x repeats, actually 8<) .mod]

May 29, 2014 10:10 am

[5x repeats, actually 8 in any event I suggest only the comment of mine with the latest timestamp/date should be considered for posting.
John

May 29, 2014 3:42 pm

Mr Dollis says he “accepts” that UKIP’s climate skepticism was a factor in its victory. Maybe it was and maybe it wasn’t: the head posting was silent on that question, and I take no particular view on it, except to say that the UKIP manifesto listed three subject areas, and only three, on the first of its two pages. In order, they were leaving the EU, controlling immigration and dumping the Climate Change Act. UKIP itself, in line with what our private polling had revealed, and in line with the strong support we are getting in various parts of the country where windmills are being built or threatened, concurs with what I had stated in the head posting: that climate change ranks third in importance after leaving the EU and controlling immigration.
The point of the posting, readily grasped by the various enviro-extremist journals in the UK, is that because of UKIP’s climate-skeptical position it will be much ahrder fo the EU to get away with closing down Europe’s industries in the specious name of “Saving The Planet”.
As for Mr Whitman, he too now realizes he originally spoke too hastily, and has come to understand that UKIP does indeed have a current and active policy of opposing the climate nonsense. If he wants to read more about it, let him do his own homework rather than rushing critically but inappropriately into print here.

May 29, 2014 4:41 pm

Anthony,
Can you help me?
The below comment was submitted by me early this morning but never showed up.
Can you have it posted? Sorry for troubling you, I know you are a very busy person.
John
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richardscourtney says:
May 28, 2014 at 10:49 pm
John Whitman:
re your post at May 28, 2014 at 10:14 am.
Of course, as you say, you are never the first to mention trolling. Similarly, a thief is never the first to mention theft.
You have a long history of supporting trolling on WUWT. It is your method of trolling and has obtained objections from others including me.
Richard
PS I notice that Philip Schaeffer – having had such success trolling this thread with your assistance – has now started trolling other WUWT threads e.g. here.

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richardscourtney,
There is a fundamental reason you find trolls everywhere in the many who disagree with you whereas I have developed a view over the years where I find no trolls whatsoever in the same threads and topics. The reason that is the case is that you and I have antipodal concepts of troll. We have been through this several times in the past year or two. I have given you before my concept of troll and I repeatedly asked for yours but I do not recall you responding.
As to your reference to Philip Schaeffer on some other thread, it seems you continue with a behavior of troll taunting but now with apparent pursuit. Amazingly you taunt him with troll name calling in absentia on this thread concerning the other thread.
Finally, I do appreciate your considerable critical efforts over a long time to clearly distinguish yourself from me wrt fundamental differences in our intellectual basis and our radically different blog commenting behavior here at WUWT. It is quite revealing intellectually. Thanks.
John

richardscourtney
May 29, 2014 11:57 pm

John Whitman:
re your silly excuses, nonsensical assertions and daft tauntings addressed to me at May 29, 2014 at 4:41 pm.
STOP TROLLING!
Richard

May 30, 2014 3:41 am

Calm down.

May 30, 2014 7:44 am

Monckton of Brenchley says:
May 29, 2014 at 3:42 pm

John Whitman says:
May 29, 2014 at 7:10 am
@Monckton of Brenchley on May 28, 2014 at 9:48 pm
The UKIP does say some things recently leading up to the completed election that gives some impressions of opposing the climate related policies of its political opponents, however, does that mean it has a basic skeptical position on alarming AGW from CO2? I do no see sufficient evident that it currently has a basic skeptical position on alarming AGW from CO2.
I am willing to look at further evidence that the UKIP may currently have a basic skeptical position on alarming AGW from CO2. I remain

As for Mr Whitman, he too now realizes he originally spoke too hastily, and has come to understand that UKIP does indeed have a current and active policy of opposing the climate nonsense. If he wants to read more about it, let him do his own homework rather than rushing critically but inappropriately into print here.

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Christopher Monckton,
A pleasant dialog.
Your response to my comment to you seems mostly to be of the nature of a certain kind of non sequitur***.
Let me rephrase what I said to you in the earlier comment of mine. I did find evidence that the UKIP in the just completed elections adopted some positions that were in clear opposition to the climate policy positions of their political opponents, but I saw no significant evidence that the UKIP currently has a basic position that is skeptical of alarming AGW from fossil fuels. I am open to seeing some actual evidence the UKIP currently has a basic position that is skeptical of alarming AGW from fossil fuels, given that the evidence was not shown to me in this thread.
**** non sequitur used in the sense of a literary and/or conversational device that is often a way to show irony
John

Non Nomen
Reply to  John Whitman
May 30, 2014 9:06 am

John Whitman says:
May 30, 2014 at 7:44 am

but I saw no significant evidence that the UKIP currently has a basic position that is skeptical of alarming AGW from fossil fuels.”

You seem to have a distinct unwillingness to take notice of what others have to say. Nigel Farage made it crystal clear at a public meeting in Torquay in March this year what the party line on energy and fossile fuels is. Look and listen, it’s on youtube.There are other similar statements, e.g. from Roger Helmer.
So what is it that you want? Do you want to see UKIP using your phrase …”that the UKIP currently has a basic position that is skeptical of alarming AGW from fossil fuels.”… to the letter? That would be mere cantankerous conceitedness. I believe it’s time for you to understand that politcal statements can be given in other ways than copying your ideas verbatim just to satisfy some narrow-mindedness.
I endorse the opinion of richardscourtneys and others paraphrasing it:
“Don’t feed the Trolls”

May 30, 2014 9:40 am

Non Nomen says:
May 30, 2014 at 9:06 am
Whitman on May 30, 2014 at 7:44 am
You seem to have a distinct unwillingness to take notice of what others have to say. Nigel Farage made it crystal clear at a public meeting in Torquay in March this year what the party line on energy and fossile fuels is. Look and listen, it’s on youtube.There are other similar statements, e.g. from Roger Helmer.
So what is it that you want? Do you want to see UKIP using your phrase …”that the UKIP currently has a basic position that is skeptical of alarming AGW from fossil fuels.”… to the letter? That would be mere cantankerous conceitedness. I believe it’s time for you to understand that politcal statements can be given in other ways than copying your ideas verbatim just to satisfy some narrow-mindedness.
I endorse the opinion of richardscourtneys and others paraphrasing it:
“Don’t feed the Trolls”

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Non Nomen,
Trolls? What trolls?
Re: UKIP => And of course your views are yours to express. No problema. Show me some current (say in the last six months) links to officials of the UKIP saying in explicit essence that they are significantly skeptical of alarming AGW from fossil fuels. I will be convinced by your view if you show me that. I am very open to your evidence. Please show me a link to your evidence.
John

Non Nomen
Reply to  John Whitman
May 30, 2014 10:47 am

Your reply really is mere cantankerous conceitedness. I believe it’s time for you to understand that politcal statements can be given in other ways than copying your ideas verbatim just to satisfy some your narrow-mindedness.
You haven’t got it and you’ll never ever will.
I endorse the opinion of richardscourtneys and others paraphrasing it:
“Don’t feed the Trolls”

Richard111
May 30, 2014 11:01 am

What ever. Roger Helmer doesn’t believe CO2 is in anyway harmful to this planet.
http://rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/lets-talk-about-co2/
And I agree with him.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Richard111
May 30, 2014 11:05 am

Righto. Helmer is a good man. Experience of life and common sense. He’s from the real world. I hope he’ll make it in the Newark by-election…

milodonharlani
May 30, 2014 11:24 am

John Whitman says:
May 30, 2014 at 9:40 am
This from May 2013, so more than six months ago, but how come policies from UKIP’s platform in last year’s elections don’t count now? Have they been revoked?:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-22396690
ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE: UKIP is sceptical about the existence of man-made climate change and would scrap all subsidies for renewable energy. It would also cancel all wind farm developments. Instead, it backs the expansion of shale gas extraction, or fracking, and a mass programme of nuclear power stations.

Non Nomen
Reply to  milodonharlani
May 30, 2014 11:33 am

Those six months are another of his (John Whitman) preposterous impositions. He is just trying to dictate the rules.

May 30, 2014 11:31 am

Non Nomen says:
May 30, 2014 at 10:47 am
Your reply really is mere cantankerous conceitedness. I believe it’s time for you to understand that politcal statements can be given in other ways than copying your ideas verbatim just to satisfy some your narrow-mindedness.
You haven’t got it and you’ll never ever will.
I endorse the opinion of richardscourtneys and others paraphrasing it:
“Don’t feed the Trolls”

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Non Nomen,
Trolls? Please name the trolls.
Re: “You [John Whitman] haven’t got it and you’ll never ever will.” => Thanks for that clear and concise response to my request that you give the evidence.
The “never […] will” part of your comment fondly reminds me of this PP&M rendered song from my youth (my teenaged sister played it incessantly as PP&M was one of her favorite folk groups);
https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=marvelous+toy+by+p&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4SNNT_en___US388&q=marvelous+toy+by+peter+paul+and+mary&gs_l=hp..0.0j0i22i30l4.0.0.1.163348………..0.bnbPzolgfVo
: )
John

Non Nomen
Reply to  John Whitman
May 30, 2014 11:36 am

I hope you’ll leave for Trollshavn asap. And for heavens sake: don’t dawdle!
http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Hordaland/Oster%C3%B8y/Trollshavn/

May 30, 2014 11:43 am

Richard111 says:
May 30, 2014 at 11:01 am
What ever. Roger Helmer doesn’t believe CO2 is in anyway harmful to this planet.
http://rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/lets-talk-about-co2/
And I agree with him.

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Richard111,
Much appreciated. Thank you for providing one piece of potential evidence. I will take a look.
John

May 30, 2014 11:57 am

milodonharlani says:
May 30, 2014 at 11:24 am
John Whitman says:
May 30, 2014 at 9:40 am
This from May 2013, so more than six months ago, but how come policies from UKIP’s platform in last year’s elections don’t count now? Have they been revoked?:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-22396690
ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE: UKIP is sceptical about the existence of man-made climate change and would scrap all subsidies for renewable energy. It would also cancel all wind farm developments. Instead, it backs the expansion of shale gas extraction, or fracking, and a mass programme of nuclear power stations.

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milodonharlani,
As usual, I appreciate your comments.
Thank you. I will take a look at it for possible evidence.
NOTE: I nominally said within last six months because the context of Christopher Monckton’s post was impact on the just completed election. Six months before the election seemed reasonable where over longer periods many political parties can often shift their platforms to increase support.
John

climatereason
Editor
May 30, 2014 12:02 pm

John Whitman
I don’t have a dog in this particular fight but my interest was piqued by the reference to the UKIP conference in Torquay, which is our closest large town.
I did a search and here is the Guardian report of the meeting dated 28 Feb 2014.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/feb/28/nigel-farage-speaks-at-ukips-spring-conference-politics-live-blog
At 11.08 is a clear reference to the UKIP energy policy and the ability to link to a 14 page pdf which explains their energy policy and references climate change.
Until the last couple of days there were also posters up around our village which clearly referenced Ukip and climate change.
I don’t know what your original point was as it is no doubt buried in this long thread but undoubtedly climate change is still a current UKIP issue.
I personally would doubt that it attracted many voters specifically, as most concerns were centred round the EU and immigration. However, the reference to climate change IS definitively there.
tonyb

Non Nomen
Reply to  climatereason
May 30, 2014 12:15 pm

climatereason
May 30, 2014 at 12:02 pm:
That John Whitman seems just too slothful to read and listen.
From my posting
>>Non Nomen says May 30, 2014 at 9:06 am:
“Nigel Farage made it crystal clear at a public meeting in Torquay in March this year what the party line on energy and fossile fuels is. Look and listen, it’s on youtube.” << Neither did he look nor did he listen.
And, presumably due to lack of phantasy or whatever else may lack, incapable of putting "UKIP CO2" into a search machine.

May 30, 2014 12:23 pm

climatereason says:
May 30, 2014 at 12:02 pm
Whitman

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climatereason,
Hey, thanks. I will look at it.
My interest in the matter is not EU political (hell, I am a Yankee). I want to see if there is a clear basic skeptical position regards to significant / alarming / catastrophic / lukewarmist AGW from fossil fuels, given that they had positions opposite to other political parties on climate / energy policy.
Intellectually interesting.
John

milodonharlani
May 30, 2014 12:35 pm

John Whitman says:
May 30, 2014 at 11:57 am
As I have appreciated your comments.
IMO UKIP’s climate change position probably wasn’t crucial to its electoral success, but apparently the party’s platform didn’t change from 2013. Here is their current issues statement. Please see “Rebuild Prosperity” planks:
http://www.ukip.org/issues
“Scrap HS2, all green taxes and wind turbine subsidies.
“Develop shale gas to reduce energy bills and free us from dependence on foreign oil and gas – place the tax revenues into a British Sovereign Wealth Fund.”

Latitude
May 30, 2014 1:20 pm

Poll: 72% of UKIP Voters Will Stick with the Party at the Next General Election
Just under three quarters of people who voted UKIP in last week’s European Elections intend the stick with the party in next year’s General Election, according to a ComRes poll for ITV.
The poll also reveals that a third of people who voted Conservative at the last General Election could see themselves voting UKIP next year, compared to a quarter of people who voted Liberal Democrat and 18 percent of Labour voters.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/30/Poll-72-Percent-of-UKIP-Voters-Will-Stick-with-the-Party-in-2015

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