Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I hear a lot of folks give the following explanation for the vagaries of the climate, viz:
And in fact, when I first started looking at the climate I thought the very same thing. How could it not be the sun, I reasoned, since obviously that’s what heats the planet.
Unfortunately, the dang facts got in the way again …
Chief among the dang facts is that despite looking in a whole lot of places, I never could find any trace of the 11-year sunspot cycle in any climate records. And believe me, I’ve looked.
You see, I reasoned that no matter whether the mechanism making the sun-climate connection were direct variations in the brightness of the sun, or variations in magnetic fields, or variations in UV, or variations in cosmic rays, or variations in the solar wind, they all run in synchronicity with the sunspots. So no matter the mechanism, it would have a visible ~11-year heartbeat.
I’ve looked for that 11-year rhythm every place I could think of—surface temperature records, sea level records, lake level records, wheat price records, tropospheric temperature records, river flow records. Eventually, I wrote up some of these findings, and I invited readers to point out some record, any record, in which the ~ 11-year sunspot cycle could be seen.
Nothing.
However, I’m a patient man, and to this day, I continue to look for the 11-year cycle. You can’t prove a negative … but you can amass evidence. My latest foray is into the world of atmospheric pressure. I figured that the atmospheric pressure might be more sensitive to variations in something like say the solar wind than the temperature would be.
Let me start, however, by taking a look at the elusive creature at the heart of this quest, the ~11-year sunspot cycle. Here is the periodogram of that cycle, so that we know what kind of signature we’re looking for:
Figure 1. Periodogram, showing the strengths of the various-length cycles in the SIDC sunspot data. In order to be able to compare disparate datasets, the values of the cycles are expressed as a percentage of the total range of the underlying data.
As you’d expect, the main peak is at around 11 years. However, the sunspot cycles are not regular, so we also have smaller peaks at nearby cycle lengths. Figure 2 shows an expanded view of the central part of Figure 1, showing only the range from seven to twenty-five years:
Figure 2. The same periodogram as in Figure 1, but showing only the 7 – 25 year range.
Now, there is a temptation to see the central figure as some kind of regular amplitude-modulated signal, with side-lobes. However, that’s not what’s happening here. There is no regular signal. Instead of there being a regular cycle, the length of the sunspot cycle varies widely, from about nine to about 15 years, with most of them in the 10-12 year range. The periodogram is merely showing that variation in cycle length.
In any case, that’s what we’re looking for—some kind of strong signal, with its peak value in the range of about 10-12 years.
As I mentioned above, when I started looking at the climate, like many people I thought “It’s the sun, stupid”, but I had found no data to back that up. So what did I find in my latest search? Well, sweet Fannie Adams, as our cousins across the pond say … here are my results:
Figure 3. Periodograms of four long-term atmospheric pressure records from around the globe.
There are some interesting features of these records.
First, there is a very strong annual cycle. I expected annual cycles, but not ones that large. These cycles are 30% to 60% of the total range of the data. I assume they result in large part from the prevalence of low-pressure areas associated with storms in the local wintertime, combined with some effect from the variations in temperature. I also note that as expected, Tahiti, being nearest to the equator and with little in the way of either temperature variations or low-pressure storms, has the smallest one-year cycle.
Other than semi-annual and annual cycles, however, there is very little power in the other cycle lengths. Figure 4 shows the expanded version of the same data, from seven to twenty-five years. Note the change in scale.
Figure 4. Periodograms of four long-term atmospheric pressure records from around the globe.
First, note that unlike the size of the annual cycle, which is half the total swing in pressures, none of these cycles have more than about 4% of the total swing of the atmospheric pressure. These are tiny cycles.
Next, generally there is more power in the ~ 9-year and the ~ 13-14 year ranges than there is in the ~ 11-year cycles.
So … once again, I end up back where I started. I still haven’t found any climate datasets that show any traces of the 11-year sunspot cycles. They may be there in the pressure data, to be sure, it is impossible to prove a negative, I can’t say they’re not there … but if so, they are hiding way, way down in the weeds.
Which of course leads to the obvious question … why no sign of the 11-year solar cycles?
I hold that this shows that the temperature of the system is relatively insensitive to changes in forcing. This, of course, is rank heresy to the current scientific climate paradigm, which holds that ceteris paribus, changes in temperature are a linear function of changes in forcing. I disagree. I say that the temperature of the planet is set by a dynamic thermoregulatory system composed of emergent phenomena that only appear when the surface gets hotter than a certain temperature threshold. These emergent phenomena maintain the temperature of the globe within narrow bounds (e.g. ± 0.3°C over the 20th Century), despite changes in volcanoes, despite changes in aerosols, despite changes in GHGs, despite changes in forcing of all kinds. The regulatory system responds to temperature, not to forcing.
And I say that because of the existence of these thermoregulatory systems, the 11-year variations in the sun’s UV and magnetism and brightness, as well as the volcanic variations and other forcing variations … well, they make little difference.
As a result, once again, I open the Quest for the Holy 11-Year Grail to others. I invite those that believe that “It’s the sun, stupid” to show us the terrestrial climate record that has any sign of being correlated with the 11-year sunspot cycles. I’ve looked. Lots of folks have looked … where is that record? I encourage you to employ whatever methods you want to use to expose the connection—cross-correlation, wavelet analysis, spectrum analysis, fourier analysis, the world is your lobster. Report back your findings, I’d like to put this question to bed.
It’s a lovely Saturday in spring, what could be finer? Gotta get outside and study me some sunshine. I wish you all many such days.
w.
For Clarity: If you disagree with someone, please quote their exact words that you disagree with. It avoids all kinds of pernicious misunderstandings, because it lets us all know exactly where you think they went off the rails.
Why The 11-year Cycle?: Because it is the biggest cycle, and we know all of the other cycles (magnetism, TSI, solar wind) move in synchronicity with the sunspots. As a result, if you want to claim that the climate is responding to say a slow, smaller 100-year cycle in the sunspot data, then by the same token it must be responding more strongly to the larger 11-cycle in the sunspot data, and so the effect should be visible there.
The Subject Of This Post: Please do not mistake this quest for the elusive 11-year cycle in climate datasets as an opportunity for you to propound your favorite theory about approximately 43-year pseudo-cycles due to the opposition of Uranus. If you can’t show me a climate dataset containing an 11-year cycle, your hypothesis is totally off-topic for this post. I encourage you to write it up and send it to Anthony, he may publish it, or to Tallbloke, he might also. I encourage everyone to get their ideas out there. Here on this thread, though, I’m looking for the 11-year cycle sunspot cycle in any terrestrial climate records.
The Common Cycles in Figures 3 and 4: Obviously, the four records in Figs. 3 & 4 have a common one-year cycle. As an indication of the sensitivity of the method that I’m using, consider the two other peaks which are common to all four of the records. These are the six-month cycle, and the 9-year cycle. It is well known that the moon raises tides in the atmosphere just as it does in the ocean. The 9-year periodicity is not uncommon in tidal datasets, and the same is true about the 6-month periodicity. I would say that we’re looking at the signature of the atmospheric tides in those cycle lengths.
Variable-Length Cycles, AKA “Pseudocycles” or “Approximate Cycles”: Some commenters in the past have asserted that my method, which I’ve nicknamed “Slow Fourier Analysis” but which actually seems to be a variant of what might be called direct spectrum analysis, is incapable of detecting variable-length cycles. They talk about a cycle say around sixty years that changes period over time.
However, the sunspot cycle is also quite variable in length … and despite that my method not only picks up the most common cycle length, it shows the strength of the sunspot cycles at the other cycle lengths as well.
A Couple of my Previous Searches for the 11-Year Sunspot Cycle:
Looking at four long-term temperature records here.
A previous look at four more long-term temperature records.
Atmospheric Pressure and Sunspot Data:
Tahiti to 1950 and Tahiti 1951 on (note different units)
Darwin to 1950 and Darwin 1951 on (note different units)
Sunspots These are from SIDC. Note that per advice from Leif Svalgaard, in the work I did above the pre-1947 values have been increased by 20% to adjust for the change in counting methods. It does not affect this analysis, you can use either one.
For ease of downloading, I’ve also made up a CSV file containing all of the above data, called Long Term Atmospheric Pressure.csv
And for R users, I’ve saved all 5 data files in R format as “Long Pressure Datasets.tab”
Code: Man, I hate this part … hang on … let me clean it up a bit … OK, I just whacked out piles of useless stuff and ran it in an empty workspace and it seemed to fly. You need two things, a file called madras pressure.R and my Slow Fourier Transform Functions.R. Let me know what doesn’t work.
Willis: ” This, of course, is rank heresy to the current scientific climate paradigm, which holds that ceteris paribus, changes in temperature are a linear function of changes in forcing. I disagree. I say that the temperature of the planet is set by a dynamic thermoregulatory system composed of emergent phenomena that only appear when the surface gets hotter than a certain temperature threshold. ”
These two positions are not necessarily incompatible. (Just the weight and conclusions that are drawn).
I fully agree with you that the emergent systems in tropics closely regulate temps. I’m working on EBBE data that is showing very small sensitivity in the tropics. But even this can be a “linear function”.
Consider, tropical storms cause strong neg. f/b (locally non-linear). This counters (say) 90%-95% of the change in incoming radiation. That results in a small change in SST (which is still required to provoke the feedback, even if it’s very strong). There is no reason why this small result should not be linearly related to the disturbance. One key means to make a system linear is to add negative feedbacks (linear or not).
No one disagrees about the Plank feedback being the main linear feedback keeping things stable. In fact this is so taken for granted that climatologists often leave it altogether out when referring to feedbacks.
The argument is about whether hypothesised positive feedbacks reduce it, or non modelled feedbacks like tropical storms add to it, giving a very strongly stable system that is very insensitive to changes in forcing.
Your opposition to it being linear seems a little misplaced ( this is not the contention ) . You need to focus on the magnitude of the response , not spend effort contesting the linearity on the non-local scale.
Tahiti may be a first clue to establishing the scale of the effect in the tropics. I think you have a result.
From SAMURAI on May 24, 2014 at 8:28 pm:
Your call-out is in error. WFT goes “starting FROM this date” (inclusive) to “up TO this date” (exclusive). By going as you did from “to: 1880” for the first part to “from: 1881” for the second, you dropped a year. You ended up with 5 1-year gaps.
Also, by not specifying a “to” year for the last part, thus setting it to whatever is the latest month in the dataset, you’ve introduced the vagary of the annual cycle into the slope. Should have used “to: 2014” to get the last full year, 2013.
Here’s the proper call-out, with the trend line for the whole range:
[even longer WFT link]
db: Could there be a ≈22 year cycle?
Willis: “It’s certainly possible, db … but I’ve seen no sign of a 22-year cycle either. That’s why I ran the analysis from 7 – 25 years, to catch any such cycles.
No catches to date …”
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Well there is a broad peak around 21 which probably reflects the 10,11,11.8 triplet . Since you are looking at non polarised data in SSN, you would not really expect to find 21-22 at all. The fact that this peak exists probably indicates a non linearity. It is broad and poorly resolved but likely to reflect the underlying magnetic processes.
KDK, when your trends don’t meet you have a problem. Shifting to 1910 works better. (No idea what a “call-out” is supposed to be though).
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1850/to:1880/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1850/to:1880/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1880/to:1910/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1880/to:1910/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1910/to:1943/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1910/to:1943/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1943/to:1976/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1943/to:1976/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1976/to:2004/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1976/to:2004/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2004/to:2014/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2004/to:2014/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1850/to:2014/trend
Sadly WTF.org does not tell you what the fitted slopes are. By eye I’d estimate a very small increase in both the upward and downward trends. Whether that’s AGW, UHI or data figging at CRU is anyones guess. In any case it’s very small.
lsvalgaard says:
May 25, 2014 at 12:42 am
Greg Goodman says:
May 25, 2014 at 12:16 am
Lief stated in your last look at this that this represented an amplitude modulation. Are you concluding that he’s become a victim of that awful condition, cyclomania, too?
Just from the power spectrum you cannot tell what it is. From the physical process behind the spectrum one concludes that variation is an amplitude modulation. For Willis’s analysis it makes no difference what one assumes.
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Thanks, indeed a power spectrum in just a first indication of a possible physical modulation.
More clearly , a triplet in the power spectrum is just a first indication of a possible physical modulation.
A greeting. Good job.
Because of the internal adjustments of the temperature on Earth would be better, instead of adjusting the cycles 11 to 11 years directly adjust it 11-15?
Moderator!
Where I left a simple comment it now says:
I was replying to this comment from “Will Janoschka”, that you have STILL let stand as of this writing, where they ask Willis to explain and justify back radiation, inherent Maxwell and Kirchoff law violations, that type crud.
I just gave them the links to Ira Glickstein’s “Visualizing the Greenhouse” series to explain back radiation.
And you HACKED my simple reply into looking like I was executing a full-blown thread hijack!
BAD Moderator! No cookie!
[Reply: Some moderators are not cut out for the job. ~Sr. Mod.]
Why do you expect Sun Spots to affect climate on Earth? Is it beacuse the total energy output from the Sun is proportional to the Sun Spots? I don’t know anything about it, that’s why I ask. I.e. I need a more basic primer on the proposed mechanism.
Willis
show us the terrestrial climate record that has any sign of being correlated with the 11-year sunspot cycles
The problem is you have already found it but can’t see it.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/periodicity-analysis-berkely-earth.jpg
Just for interest, the late John Daly refers to an eleven year cycle in temperature data in one of the ‘climategate’ emails from 1996.
A Fourier transform is a standard method of detecting periodicity in data.
From Greg Goodman on May 25, 2014 at 1:37 am:
Better address that to “SAMURAI”, as that was who I was replying to, and I was just correcting the call-out.
Your loss. A call-out is when you spec.
Especially unless you click the “Raw Data” link and actually look for the “#Least squares trend line; slope = [number] per year” entries in the plain text data file.
It also helps to look on “WoodForTrees.org” instead of “WhatsTheFibonacci.org” (short version, wtf.org). Unless you really want wtf.org, and want to know the values of slopes fitted to Fibonacci sequences. Which is its own issue.
Just from the variation of TSI with the solar cycle. one would expect a cycle variation [valley to peak] variation of global temperature of 0.07C. This is probably below the noise level so far, so no wonder it doesn’t show up.
Willis,
I like you too much to not to say that: “don’t get caught up in your (new) proficiency in R … it’s just statistics … quite different from a (rock) solid theory …”
“Adam says: May 25, 2014 at 2:03 am
Why do you expect Sun Spots to affect climate on Earth? Is it because the total energy output from the Sun is proportional to the Sun Spots? I don’t know anything about it, that’s why I ask. I.e. I need a more basic primer on the proposed mechanism.”
Thank you Adam. My thoughts exactly, but expressed more politely. Looking forward to an article here on the subject. Based on the current performance the homo sapiensophobes or even the more moderate anthropophobes are unlikely to address it anytime soon.
Looking for mathematical relationships to cast light on this puzzle is a valid approach but unless you know what you are looking for and just need the proof, it has a low success rate.
This is not my field but let me try to illustrate a different approach. There is anecdotal evidence that solar cycles can influence our climate. What solar variables might affect our climate and how have these changed with time?
TSI we know about, but what about changes in spectrum in terms of energy at each frequency? We know that UV changes very significantly and has implications for atmospheric chemistry. What about the solar IR output?
Svensmark is doing something similar when he looks at the way the solar wind may modulate cosmic rays and subsequent cloud formation. Does the composition of the solar wind change?
A post at NTZ looks at the possible effect of solar wind velocity.
Think of the sun as a body that throws everything at us from plasma to gravitational waves and I’m sure we think of all sorts of ways that its output can influence our complex climate. The problem is that our climate scientists have been preoccupied with a small molecule for the last few decades and haven’t got around to understanding the basics.
“Adam says: May 25, 2014 at 2:03 am
Why do you expect Sun Spots to affect climate on Earth? Is it because the total energy output from the Sun is proportional to the Sun Spots? I don’t know anything about it, that’s why I ask. I.e. I need a more basic primer on the proposed mechanism.”
SSN is an indication of solar activity. If an indication of this can be found in climate then you can start worrying about the mechanism. If you can’t find evidence of it, you don’t need to waste time looking a mechanism.
regarding richardscourtney says:
May 25, 2014 at 12:34 am
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Richard, I said much the same thing here, in my usual layman fashion. David A says:
May 24, 2014 at 10:33 pm
Re. LT says:
May 24, 2014 at 10:58 pm
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Thank you for your response.
“Sunspot number: 130”
http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=25&month=05&year=2014
They’re huge???????????
lgl says:
May 25, 2014 at 2:05 am
Willis
show us the terrestrial climate record that has any sign of being correlated with the 11-year sunspot cycles
The problem is you have already found it but can’t see it.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/periodicity-analysis-berkely-earth.jpg
Yes, there’s a suggestion of similar 10,11,12 peaks but not bang on (12 looks more like 12.0 than 11.8). Worth closer inspection.
Willis Eschenbach (May 24, 2014 at 4:01 pm) – I don’t dispute that your method finds solar cycles quite well. I am saying that to look for the effect of solar cycles it would be more efficient to use SCN instead of date. But more importantly I think the non-linear coupled nature of weather/climate means that an attempted replication of Herschel’s findings would be a very useful test, ie. looking at just that limited period of UK-only temperature & precipitation. It is very possible that any effect of solar cycles on weather/climate is inconsistent in both location and time. eg, just maybe Herschel was onto something genuine, but some other factor operated in sync with sunspots at that particular place-time but not at others. I don’t think you are likely to find everything all at once, but by addressing place-time subsets you may be able to pick up some vital clues.
Happy hunting.
Oh and Richard and Willis, I would add that during the SH summer the earth receives almost seven percent MORE insolation during those three months, but the atmospheric T is LOWER, for the reasons Richard mentioned. The fact that this increased insolation change (far greater then any anthropogenic GHE and far greater then any 11 year solar insolation change) manifests in the atmosphere to the OPPOSITE sign of the input, is actually a fairly strong indication of both the complexity of climate, and to the importance of the oceans.
sorry, please add to the last sentence…” manifests in the atmosphere to the OPPOSITE sign of the input, is actually a fairly strong indication of both the complexity of climate, and to the importance of the oceans” AS A LONG TERM DRIVER OF CLIMATE , meaning decades or longer.
“I never could find any trace of the 11-year sunspot cycle”
The cycle is 22 years long. Remember the suns magnetic field flips every 11 years, so it takes 22 years before you get back to the start point.
mwhite says:
May 25, 2014 at 3:31 am
The cycle is 22 years long. Remember the suns magnetic field flips every 11 years, so it takes 22 years before you get back to the start point.
The amount of energy that the Sun sends our way [in whatever form] varies with an 11-yr cycle. The ‘flip’ does not change that.