Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I hear a lot of folks give the following explanation for the vagaries of the climate, viz:
And in fact, when I first started looking at the climate I thought the very same thing. How could it not be the sun, I reasoned, since obviously that’s what heats the planet.
Unfortunately, the dang facts got in the way again …
Chief among the dang facts is that despite looking in a whole lot of places, I never could find any trace of the 11-year sunspot cycle in any climate records. And believe me, I’ve looked.
You see, I reasoned that no matter whether the mechanism making the sun-climate connection were direct variations in the brightness of the sun, or variations in magnetic fields, or variations in UV, or variations in cosmic rays, or variations in the solar wind, they all run in synchronicity with the sunspots. So no matter the mechanism, it would have a visible ~11-year heartbeat.
I’ve looked for that 11-year rhythm every place I could think of—surface temperature records, sea level records, lake level records, wheat price records, tropospheric temperature records, river flow records. Eventually, I wrote up some of these findings, and I invited readers to point out some record, any record, in which the ~ 11-year sunspot cycle could be seen.
Nothing.
However, I’m a patient man, and to this day, I continue to look for the 11-year cycle. You can’t prove a negative … but you can amass evidence. My latest foray is into the world of atmospheric pressure. I figured that the atmospheric pressure might be more sensitive to variations in something like say the solar wind than the temperature would be.
Let me start, however, by taking a look at the elusive creature at the heart of this quest, the ~11-year sunspot cycle. Here is the periodogram of that cycle, so that we know what kind of signature we’re looking for:
Figure 1. Periodogram, showing the strengths of the various-length cycles in the SIDC sunspot data. In order to be able to compare disparate datasets, the values of the cycles are expressed as a percentage of the total range of the underlying data.
As you’d expect, the main peak is at around 11 years. However, the sunspot cycles are not regular, so we also have smaller peaks at nearby cycle lengths. Figure 2 shows an expanded view of the central part of Figure 1, showing only the range from seven to twenty-five years:
Figure 2. The same periodogram as in Figure 1, but showing only the 7 – 25 year range.
Now, there is a temptation to see the central figure as some kind of regular amplitude-modulated signal, with side-lobes. However, that’s not what’s happening here. There is no regular signal. Instead of there being a regular cycle, the length of the sunspot cycle varies widely, from about nine to about 15 years, with most of them in the 10-12 year range. The periodogram is merely showing that variation in cycle length.
In any case, that’s what we’re looking for—some kind of strong signal, with its peak value in the range of about 10-12 years.
As I mentioned above, when I started looking at the climate, like many people I thought “It’s the sun, stupid”, but I had found no data to back that up. So what did I find in my latest search? Well, sweet Fannie Adams, as our cousins across the pond say … here are my results:
Figure 3. Periodograms of four long-term atmospheric pressure records from around the globe.
There are some interesting features of these records.
First, there is a very strong annual cycle. I expected annual cycles, but not ones that large. These cycles are 30% to 60% of the total range of the data. I assume they result in large part from the prevalence of low-pressure areas associated with storms in the local wintertime, combined with some effect from the variations in temperature. I also note that as expected, Tahiti, being nearest to the equator and with little in the way of either temperature variations or low-pressure storms, has the smallest one-year cycle.
Other than semi-annual and annual cycles, however, there is very little power in the other cycle lengths. Figure 4 shows the expanded version of the same data, from seven to twenty-five years. Note the change in scale.
Figure 4. Periodograms of four long-term atmospheric pressure records from around the globe.
First, note that unlike the size of the annual cycle, which is half the total swing in pressures, none of these cycles have more than about 4% of the total swing of the atmospheric pressure. These are tiny cycles.
Next, generally there is more power in the ~ 9-year and the ~ 13-14 year ranges than there is in the ~ 11-year cycles.
So … once again, I end up back where I started. I still haven’t found any climate datasets that show any traces of the 11-year sunspot cycles. They may be there in the pressure data, to be sure, it is impossible to prove a negative, I can’t say they’re not there … but if so, they are hiding way, way down in the weeds.
Which of course leads to the obvious question … why no sign of the 11-year solar cycles?
I hold that this shows that the temperature of the system is relatively insensitive to changes in forcing. This, of course, is rank heresy to the current scientific climate paradigm, which holds that ceteris paribus, changes in temperature are a linear function of changes in forcing. I disagree. I say that the temperature of the planet is set by a dynamic thermoregulatory system composed of emergent phenomena that only appear when the surface gets hotter than a certain temperature threshold. These emergent phenomena maintain the temperature of the globe within narrow bounds (e.g. ± 0.3°C over the 20th Century), despite changes in volcanoes, despite changes in aerosols, despite changes in GHGs, despite changes in forcing of all kinds. The regulatory system responds to temperature, not to forcing.
And I say that because of the existence of these thermoregulatory systems, the 11-year variations in the sun’s UV and magnetism and brightness, as well as the volcanic variations and other forcing variations … well, they make little difference.
As a result, once again, I open the Quest for the Holy 11-Year Grail to others. I invite those that believe that “It’s the sun, stupid” to show us the terrestrial climate record that has any sign of being correlated with the 11-year sunspot cycles. I’ve looked. Lots of folks have looked … where is that record? I encourage you to employ whatever methods you want to use to expose the connection—cross-correlation, wavelet analysis, spectrum analysis, fourier analysis, the world is your lobster. Report back your findings, I’d like to put this question to bed.
It’s a lovely Saturday in spring, what could be finer? Gotta get outside and study me some sunshine. I wish you all many such days.
w.
For Clarity: If you disagree with someone, please quote their exact words that you disagree with. It avoids all kinds of pernicious misunderstandings, because it lets us all know exactly where you think they went off the rails.
Why The 11-year Cycle?: Because it is the biggest cycle, and we know all of the other cycles (magnetism, TSI, solar wind) move in synchronicity with the sunspots. As a result, if you want to claim that the climate is responding to say a slow, smaller 100-year cycle in the sunspot data, then by the same token it must be responding more strongly to the larger 11-cycle in the sunspot data, and so the effect should be visible there.
The Subject Of This Post: Please do not mistake this quest for the elusive 11-year cycle in climate datasets as an opportunity for you to propound your favorite theory about approximately 43-year pseudo-cycles due to the opposition of Uranus. If you can’t show me a climate dataset containing an 11-year cycle, your hypothesis is totally off-topic for this post. I encourage you to write it up and send it to Anthony, he may publish it, or to Tallbloke, he might also. I encourage everyone to get their ideas out there. Here on this thread, though, I’m looking for the 11-year cycle sunspot cycle in any terrestrial climate records.
The Common Cycles in Figures 3 and 4: Obviously, the four records in Figs. 3 & 4 have a common one-year cycle. As an indication of the sensitivity of the method that I’m using, consider the two other peaks which are common to all four of the records. These are the six-month cycle, and the 9-year cycle. It is well known that the moon raises tides in the atmosphere just as it does in the ocean. The 9-year periodicity is not uncommon in tidal datasets, and the same is true about the 6-month periodicity. I would say that we’re looking at the signature of the atmospheric tides in those cycle lengths.
Variable-Length Cycles, AKA “Pseudocycles” or “Approximate Cycles”: Some commenters in the past have asserted that my method, which I’ve nicknamed “Slow Fourier Analysis” but which actually seems to be a variant of what might be called direct spectrum analysis, is incapable of detecting variable-length cycles. They talk about a cycle say around sixty years that changes period over time.
However, the sunspot cycle is also quite variable in length … and despite that my method not only picks up the most common cycle length, it shows the strength of the sunspot cycles at the other cycle lengths as well.
A Couple of my Previous Searches for the 11-Year Sunspot Cycle:
Looking at four long-term temperature records here.
A previous look at four more long-term temperature records.
Atmospheric Pressure and Sunspot Data:
Tahiti to 1950 and Tahiti 1951 on (note different units)
Darwin to 1950 and Darwin 1951 on (note different units)
Sunspots These are from SIDC. Note that per advice from Leif Svalgaard, in the work I did above the pre-1947 values have been increased by 20% to adjust for the change in counting methods. It does not affect this analysis, you can use either one.
For ease of downloading, I’ve also made up a CSV file containing all of the above data, called Long Term Atmospheric Pressure.csv
And for R users, I’ve saved all 5 data files in R format as “Long Pressure Datasets.tab”
Code: Man, I hate this part … hang on … let me clean it up a bit … OK, I just whacked out piles of useless stuff and ran it in an empty workspace and it seemed to fly. You need two things, a file called madras pressure.R and my Slow Fourier Transform Functions.R. Let me know what doesn’t work.
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“Unfortunately, the dang facts got in the way again”
They often do. I’ve told you before,you should leave those things alone and stick to pure speculation.
Willis,
As always, lots of interesting food for thought in your post!
Willis Eschenbach says:
Okay, so…Now, you have identified a clear test of the dominant paradigm, but you haven’t gone as far as I think you could in putting your hypothesis versus the paradigm to the test. Why don’t you look and see if climate models forced with the changes in solar luminosity over the sunspot cycles show a strong response?
If you do see a significant response in the models but not in the real data, then it seems to me that you have a real potential challenge to the paradigm. If not, you are sort of attacking a strawman because if the models don’t predict a strong response, then the lack of a strong response hasn’t really provided any evidence against the paradigm.
If it isn’t Sun cycles that cause changes to the climate, what other causes could there be?
Astronomers say we are currently located inside a low-density zone that is about 10 times lower in neutral atoms than the average of 0.5 atoms/cc elsewhere in the Milky Way on average. So what effect would there be if the solar system passed through a denser medium, such as an interstellar cloud? Could a higher-density zone block some sunlight from reaching Earth or have some other effect?
After a search, I found the following comment at http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1372.html:
“When the solar system enters such a cloud, the first thing that will happen will be that the magnetic field of the Sun, which now extends perhaps 100 AU from the Sun and 2-3 times the orbit of Pluto, will be compressed back into the inner solar system depending on the density of the medium that the Sun encounters. When this happens, the Earth may be laid bare to an increased cosmic ray bombardment.”
Could passing through a cosmic dust cloud have caused ice ages in the past? If increased cosmic rays cause more clouds, couldn’t that cause cooling and possibly account for past ice ages? I have no idea one way or the other. I’m just throwing it out there because I haven’t seen any mention of such a possibility.
Willis,
Spot the science error
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/01/spot-the-science-error/
Oh, I made a mistake. I thought Willis was completely aware of the Sunspot/Solar Wind/Cosmic ray connection. The “Cloud” experiments by CERN, the experiments with CLOUD CHAMBERS by Svensmark in his own lab, and the commensurate caculative basis, of course the MARVELOUS paper by Svensmark (http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/svensmark-forebush.pdf), AND the rather large number of other “correlative” work…which has been rather well laid out in the comments. If, dear…brillant and determined Willis,you are looking for some TSI/solar output, “direct” correlation between sunspots and the Earth’s weather, no…I would not claim there is one nore expect to find one. In point of fact, if you did….this would be of interest.
Willis, you can’t see the forest for the trees. If you look at the graph you presented here:
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Each 11+or- cycle (each one is a “tree”) doesn’t have an immediate effect, but the “forest” or grouping of them does. (at least for the last almost 300 years) (and well, if 3 to 5 makes a forest) Maybe the 3 warm periods and 2 cool periods shown are just a coincidence. Are there registered sunspot numbers that go back further in time, along with accurate temp records?
Oh great!!! my clipboard didn’t work – lol here’s the link I meant to attach:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/24/its-the-evidence-stupid/#comment-1645032
Sorry – mod can you delete that video??
Willis
Maybe you need to identify the natural frequency of the atmosphere oceanic system. If you drive a system at or near the natural frequency, you get noticeably responses. But if the earth’s climate system has a natural frequency of 3 or 55 years (strictly random suggestions) you won’t detect an obvious signal if driven by a forcing with an 11 year cycle. It will take much longer to show up. Thermal systems have very slow response times, especially those dominated by liquids like the Earths oceans.
Bill
Like my old boss said – you know just enough about the computer to be dangerous…
I wouldn’t expect to find any change reflecting the short 11 year cycle for a couple of reasons. First is that the solar radiation does not change enough for it to mean much. Secondly, it would be the lull between the cycles, not the peaks that would result in change and they are too short, generally, to show up. However, when one has a grand minimum, it might, because of the increase in GCRs over a much longer period of time.
In other words, I believe it takes several years of reduced solar activity to show up in the record, not just a year or two. I also believe that difference has to be over an extended period of time. A decade or more.
R. de Haan,
Thanks for the link. Is discussion about Piers Corbyn forbidden on WUWT now?
Hydrology & Hale Cycle
WJR Alexander finds that hydrology in Southern African region is driven by the ~ 22 year Hale Cycle, but not evaporation. See:
WJR Alexander et al., Linkages between solar activity, climate predictability and water resource development Journal of the South African Institution of Civil Engineering Vol 49 No 2, June 2007, Pages 32–44, Paper 659
WJR Alexander & F. Bailey, Solar Activity and Climate Change – A Summary, Journal Energy & Environment Volume 18, Number 6 / November 2007 10.1260/095830507782088749
Alexander offers his entire life long collection of all hydrological records in the Southern African region to anyone who asks: WJR Alexander, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria Email: alexwjr@iafrica.com
Your 4 long term atmospheric pressure stations are all in the tropics or close to the tropics.
Can you see the signal you are looking for if you choose places that are say 50-70N or S (where atmospheric pressure varies over a much bigger range)?
The earth is a low-pass filter with a cutoff frequency around 29 years.
Willis, many years ago I heard that sunspots correlate with vintage. Allegedly, the wine is better in years with lots of sunspots. You might find the cycle there. If you can get a generous research grant, I will be very happy to help you with the requisite research.
george e. smith says:
Well, it might prove it to you but it certainly doesn’t to me. I can think of a ton of issues with such a test. One is the huge thermal heat capacities involved…Places like Hawaii don’t have that strong a diurnal temperature cycle as is true of more continental climates. A second issue is the neglect of the fact that climate is far from a local effect, that is there is huge heat transport around the globe. You can’t just say, “Forcing is reduced here so it should be a lot colder here.” A third is you have to figure out the extent to which that change in solar radiation reaching the surface means less solar radiation being absorbed vs the extent to which some of that radiation that didn’t reach the surface was absorbed in the atmosphere (i.e., to what extent do the volcanic aerosols reflect radiation and to what extent do they block it by absorbing it).
But, another important thing is that you are making a big confusion between changes in forcing at the surface and top-of-the-atmosphere forcings. The book “Global Warming: The Hard Science” by L.D. Harvey has a nice calculation demonstrating how a large change in forcing at the surface will result in only a small temperature change (essentially because it is canceled out by changes in convection) while the same change in top-of-the-atmosphere forcing has a much larger effect because it involves the energy budget of the entire system and can’t just be counteracted by a change in convection.
Again, this is the sort of thing that could become a useful test if you actually used it to compare the response of the real world to the response of a climate model and showed that the real world behaved one way (suggesting the forcing didn’t have much effect) but the climate model behaved a different way (suggesting the forcing did have a strong effect). Then you would at least have some possible evidence that the climate models are overestimating the effect of the forcing.
Without this, you would again just be attacking strawmen, i.e., you would be claiming, “If the climate system worked in the way climate scientists claim it does then I would expect to see something different than what I saw” but without providing any evidence whatsoever to support the “I would expect to see something different” part of the claim.
Just because you can’t find an eleven year cycle in the climate doesn’t mean that the sun doesn’t affect the climate.
Others have pointed out that long periods of low or high solar activity do seem to have an effect. Judith Curry points out work by: Svensmark, Vahrenholt and Luning, and the NRC. http://judithcurry.com/2013/10/01/ipcc-solar-variations-dont-matter/
Here’s a quote from a NASA press release describing the NRC report:
lsvalgaard says:
May 24, 2014 at 5:16 pm
Ulric Lyons says:
May 24, 2014 at 5:02 pm
Major Magnetic Storms 1868-2007:
“Although not documented here, it is interesting to note that the overall level of magnetic disturbance from year to year has increased substantially from a low around 1900
The level today is down to where it was in 1900:
http://www.leif.org/research/Ap-1844-now.png
Temperatures are not.
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The temperatures in 1900 were proceeded by 2 consecutive low solar cycles.
If Earth experiences 3 consecutive low solar cycles like the current one, Earth temps will be lower too..
http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/images/image022.jpg
@ur momisugly Matthew R Marler on May 24, 2014 at 4:40 pm
Your question to me is:
“Act how, and invest how much money, labor and time?”
My own view of the overall problem is that global cooling is the greater problem, and is imminently upon us. Man-made Global Warming is a myth based on very bad science and agenda-driven people. One of my most-viewed blog posts is of the speech I make on this. see Part III, Implications of this link:
http://sowellslawblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/warmists-are-wrong-cooling-is-coming.html
What we could, and should do as “acts” include preparing for a much, much colder climate for decades on end. Much of the northern hemisphere’s infrastructure is not suited to prolonged cold.
In some respects, the climate cooling crisis will be sudden, and we will not have much time to prepare. In other respects it will be slow. The sudden aspect will be crop failures. The world has very little stored food and will be in crisis mode in roughly one year after the first major crop failure. Political upheaval will occur as hungry people act in violent ways. Medical treatment will be in short supply.
Slower aspects will be the need for more heating energy and improved transportation routes. Displaced populations from inhospitable colder climates to warmer areas will create massive shortages of housing, water, and other basic needs.
However, possibly the greatest danger and need for an “act” is preparing nuclear power plants from damage by floods and ice floes in the flood waters. This is an overlooked but very grim outcome of a sudden colder climate. The NRC has identified numerous nuclear plants that are downstream of dams that could have severe damage if the dam breaks. The risk assessment is low, in their opinion. However, ice dams on rivers also pose serious danger to nuclear plants downstream. When the ice dam breaks, great damage is done by the flood waters and ice. I have not found any NRC analysis of this danger.
:-}
Max Hugoson says:
May 24, 2014 at 6:42 pm
Not sure of your point there, Max. Since cosmic rays run in synchrony with sunspots, and since there is definitely a sunspot/solar wind/cosmic ray connection, and since all of those phenomena run in parallel with the 11-year sunspot cycle … given all that, just why should we NOT expect to find the 11-year cosmic ray/solar wind/sunspot cycle somewhere in the climate datasets?
w.
Charles Nelson says:
May 24, 2014 at 5:39 pm
Charles, I’ve provided lots and lots of math, data, computer code, logic, citations, and support for my ideas and claims.
You, on the other hand, have provided … well, nothing but your opinion. You haven’t even had the balls to quote what you disagree with, you just wave your hands and give us your oh-so-valuable opinion …
I know which one I call “opinionated garbage”. Come back when you can actually find and point out something wrong with my work.
Or not, I don’t care …
w.
Willis, perhaps a better explanation would be, “It’s the sunspots and PDO cycles, stupid”…
Over the past 163 years, there is a 100% correlation between 30-yr PDO warm/cool cycles and global temperature trends:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1850/to:1880/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1850/to:1880/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1881/to:1921/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1881/to:1921/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1922/to:1943/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1922/to:1943/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1944/to:1976/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1944/to:1976/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1977/to:2004/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1977/to:2004/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2005/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2005/trend
The strongest 63-year string of sunspot activity in 11,400 years occurred from 1933~1996 (Solanki et al) which matches the general 20th century global warming trend:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1933/to:1996/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1933/to:1996/trend
When the strongest 63-yr string of solar cycles in 11,400 years ended in 1996, so did the global warming trend:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1996.5/plot/rss/from:1996.5/trend/plot/esrl-co2/from:1996.5/normalise/trend/plot/esrl-co2/from:1996.5/normalise
If you superimpose the PDO warm/cool cycles over the sunspot cycles, the cool PDO cycles tend to negate/overwhelm the positive forcing effects of sunspots, while the warm PDO cycles tend to accentuate the sunspot positive forcing during strong solar cycles.
We also know that during the Little Ice Age (1280~1850) there were 4 Grand Solar Minimums (Wolf, Sporer, Maunder and Dalton), which likely explains why we had a Little Ice Age.
When the Wolf Grand Solar Minimum stated, the LIA started and when the Dalton Grand Solar Minimum ended, the LIA ended soon afterwards. During the end of the Wolf GSM (1280~1350), roughly 25% of Europeans died from famine and extreme cold.
Of course there isn’t a perfect fit between any single climate variable as nature is always fighting to find equilibrium. That’s why CAGW’s CO2 “tipping point” hypothesis doesn’t work (and as our very existence proves). Nature always tends to find a way to offset swings in either extreme, but she isn’t always successful, especially during long/cold Milankovitch cycles, which overwhelms the Earth’s energy budget for 10’s of thousands of years.
It’s all about entropy and the amazing and beautiful dance between time and energy… Unfortunately, CAGW has been disco dancing to the tune of CO2 for far too long and they look absolutely hilarious in their lime-green polyester leisure suits, and their music sucks.
We need more Mozart and less Bee Gees…
Keep up with your excellent posts, Willis! I always enjoy them as they make people think and question their assumptions.
Willis have you looked in to daily wind run readings over the 11 year cycle?.
I have but only started this using my weather station readings almost 4 years.
IE for Februarys avg per day. 2011=181.99km. 2012=194.41km. 2013=216.85km. 2014=218.11km.
And in Mays 2011=144.78km. 2012=150.28km. 2013=159.94km. 2014=165.75km per day.
Just a thought..