By Joe Bastardi and Anthony Watts (based on an email exchange)
This is interesting. NOAA is forecasting the months of August, September, and October of 2014 to have above normal Arctic Sea ice extent. As readers know, late September is typically the time of the Arctic Sea Ice minimum, and this year the NOAA forecast has it slightly above normal. Here is the NOAA forecast graph:
UPDATE: I no more than finished this post and NOAA had a new updated forecast for May 23rd, added below. (h/t Ric Werme)
For the last three May 12th forecasts, this year’s forecast for summer is the highest of them.
Source: http://origin.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2fcst/imagesInd3/sieMon.gif
Notice how much higher this is than last years forecast at this time:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2_fcst_history/201305/imagesInd3/sieMon.gif
And also higher than in 2012:

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfsv2_fcst_history/201205/imagesInd3/sieMon.gif
The CFSV2 forecasting model was not on line before that, but if we then go to the Northern hemisphere sea ice plot from Cryosphere today we can see how significant this would be if summer came out with a positive anomaly.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
It appears that all summers since about 1996 have not had any positive anomalies. (see magnified view below)
At the very least if we get it positive and the melt season is the lowest since the AMO went warm it will be something that goes right at the heart of the arguments that recent Arctic sea ice deviations are entirely human caused.
In addition, given the Southern Hemisphere continues with well above normal sea ice, if it continues, it gives us a shot at a record breaking global sea ice in the satellite era.
On the other hand, it is a model forecast, and may not come to be. It will be interesting to watch though.
As always, check the WUWT Sea Ice Page for the latest information.
Here is the background on CFS:
The NCEP Climate Forecast System Version 2 (CFSv2)
The CFS version 2 was developed at the Environmental Modeling Center at NCEP. It is a fully coupled model representing the interaction between the Earth’s atmosphere, oceans, land and seaice. It became operational at NCEP in March 2011.
Please reference the following article when using the CFS Reanalysis (CFSR) data.
Saha, Suranjana, and Coauthors, 2010: The NCEP Climate Forecast System Reanalysis. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 91, 1015.1057. doi: 10.1175/2010BAMS3001.1
Please reference the following article when using the CFS version 2 Reforecast model or data
Saha, Suranjana and Coauthors, 2014: The NCEP Climate Forecast System Version 2 Journal of Climate J. Climate, 27, 2185–2208. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00823.1


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“GCMs don’t model the forcings, they respond to them.”
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I’m confused….how does something respond to something it doesn’t know exists?
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“And yes, GCM results aren’t perfect, and uncertain forcing is part of it. Of course, we have explicit uncertainty expressed in the GHG emission scenarios (and also volcanoes etc).”
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Since no one knows which part is uncertain….
Is that a fancy way of saying …. they are worthless? 🙂
What say you, Nick Stokes? What will it take to get you to admit that the AGW scare is a false alarm? Or will you never admit it, no matter what?
Sam Carana is a contributor on the Arctic News Blog along with with Beckwith. In 2012 Sam said the Arctic sea ice will be gone in 2014. I am not sure who Sam is. Maybe another PHD student or just your regular blogger. If at first you don’t succeed, predict, predict, predict again and again. I PROJECT that the Arctic MIGHT be ice free in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and every year up to 2100 – and all other years hence. / sarc
Jimbo says: May 24, 2014 at 2:37 pm
“Beckwith was also a “……part-time professor in climatology/meteorology at the University of Ottawa.””
Here is the lab describing its staffing. Maybe he’s predicting.
“Maybe he’s predicting”…….social media climate change advocacy
Current research interests
Abrupt climate change (system analysis)
Arctic sea-ice behaviour
Methane and carbon dioxide concentrations
System feedbacks
Regional geoengineering
Climate change education and presentations
Social media climate change advocacy
Steven Mosher says: May 24, 2014 at 10:46 am
Actually not. If you look at the reason why folks would say 1 million was effectively ice free youd understanding.
That’s the same BS as went into defining the “Ozone Hole”, i.e.:
“A ‘hole’ is arbitrarily defined as an area where the volume of ozone is less than 220 Dobson units, a decrease of about one-third of the normal value”:
http://books.google.com/books?id=I-Br1CEx8fcC&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=220+dobson+arbitrary+ozone&source=bl&ots=Q4I0b1Cr0D&sig=laqwocak0P_l2xyb6ZotyUMonZw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=y3EmU93WIaOf0AHekoGQCA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAw
“We noted that the ozone hole is not actually a hole but a region of heavily depleted ozone in the atmosphere this is defined, slightly arbitrarily, as region where the total ozone column (TOC) is less than 220 DU”
http://books.google.com/books?id=YZzGFPnaEv0C&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406&dq=220+dobson+arbitrary+ozone&source=bl&ots=k2RAuouiqu&sig=Nr_-3cXmDDTvxNCAUiRdKWjUGb0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=y3EmU93WIaOf0AHekoGQCA&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=220%20dobson%20arbitrary%20ozone&f=false
“The value of 220 Dobson Units is chosen since total ozone values of less than 220 Dobson Units were not found in the historic observations over Antarctica prior to 1979.”
http://earth.rice.edu/earthupdate/atmosphere/topics/ozone/topic_01.html
Ice Free, is ice free. Less than 1 Million Sq km of sea ice is clearly not ice free.
The definition is an operational one, so its best if you remember that when talking to people.
If you want a different definition, say 0 km, then you have to propose a method to determine
that. 0km measured how, with what accuracy? When you see that any definition requires operational decisions and operational choices, you’ll understand the importance of setting out those criteria.
Operational definition? The operation definition of ice free is when the measurement device no longer measures any ice. The objective definition of ice free is when there is no longer any ice. Less than 1 Million Sq km of sea ice is neither of these.
But here is the clue. Ice free at the north pole is bad definition. do you mean exactly at 90,0?
one millimeter of open water? 1 meter? suppose 1 meter were ice free and the entire basin was not?
ice free at the north pole wouldnt mean much would it? suppose 100 meters were open and the rest of the basin wasnt. Suppose the rest of the basin was ice free and there was 10 meters of ice at the north pole, exactly at 90,0.
Suppose the entire basin was ice free…
Nick Stokes says: May 24, 2014 at 12:59 pm
National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) – Climate Prediction Center – Click the pic to view at source[/caption]
National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) – Climate Prediction Center – Click the pic to view at source[/caption]
First, that’s a forecast made in July. The lead post gives their May forecast, which looks like about 5.4 M sq km; actually a closer forecast, but definitely high. Their forecast in 2012 was similar, and over by more than 2 M sq km.
I agree on both accounts, but it still invalidates the statement that CFSv2 model “prediction is biased high”. It was biased high based upon hindcasts, but is has made two sets of predictions thus far with one biased high and one biased low. It will be interesting to see what occurs this year.
Also interesting is that the CFSv2 is highest of the Nino forecasts:
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Second, if it’s Wang’s submitted forecast, it is almost certainly bias-adjusted. Their paper explains:
“Therefore in the CFSv2, when the sea ice predictions are used for practical applications, bias correction is necessary. The bias can be obtained from the hindcast data for the period 1982– 2010, which are available from NCDC.”
They are definitely bias adjusted, I am just not sure if the “bias adjustment [is] based on 1997 ‐ 2010 hindcasts”;
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/SIF/docs/Seasonal_Sea_Ice_Forecasting_from_CFS2-Wanqui_Wang.pdf
or “obtained from the hindcast data for the period 1982- 2010” as you and the passage below suggest:
“Sea ice Sea ice prediction is challenging and relatively new in the context of seasonal climate prediction models. Sea ice can form or melt and can move with wind and/or ocean current. Sea ice interacts with both the air above and the ocean beneath and it is influenced by, and has an impact on, the air and ocean conditions. The CFSv2 sea ice component includes a dynamic/thermodynamic sea ice model and a simple assimilation scheme, which are described in detail in Saha et al. (2010). One of the most important developments in CFSv2, compared to CFSv1, is the extension of the CFS ocean domain to the global high latitudes and the incorporation of a sea ice component.
The initial condition (IC) for ice in the CFSv2 hindcasts is from CFSR as described in Saha et al. (2010). For sea ice thickness, there are no data available for assimilation, and we suspect there is a significant bias of sea ice thickness in the CFSv2 model that causes the sea ice to be too thick in the IC. For the sea ice prediction, sea ice appears too thick and certainly too extensive in the spring and summer. Figure 10 shows themean September sea ice concentration from 1982 to 2010, and the bias in the predicted mean condition at lead times of 1 month (15 August IC), 3 months (15 June IC), and 6 months (15 March IC). The model shows a consistent high bias in its forecasts of September ice extent. The corresponding predicted model variability at the three different lead times is shown in Fig. 11. The variability from the model prediction is underestimated near the mean September ice pack and overestimated outside the observed mean September ice pack. Although the CFSv2 captured the observed seasonal cycle, long-term trend, and interannual variability to some extent, large errors exist in its representation of the observed mean state and anomalies, as shown in Figs. 10 and 11. Therefore in the CFSv2, when the sea ice predictions are used for practical applications, bias correction is necessary. The bias can be obtained from the hindcast data for the period 1982- 2010, which are available from NCDC.
In spite of the above reported shortcomings, when the model was used for the prediction of the September minimum sea ice extent organized by the Study of Environmental Arctic Change (SEARCH) during 2009 and 2011, CFSv2 (with bias correction applied) was among the best prediction models. In the future we plan to assimilate the sea ice thickness data into the CFS assuming that would reduce the bias and improve the sea ice prediction.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2014/04/01/7755461.htm
Here’s a good visual of the CFS model;
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which can be found here:
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/ost/climate/STIP/seaice.htm
I think this sums it up well, i.e.: “It is easy to identify some large errors in sea ice coverage and variability and it is obvious that a lot more work needs to be done in this area of sea ice modeling.”
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2014/04/01/7755461.htm
rw says:
May 24, 2014 at 8:21 am
…Even these guys are unlikely to turn around and say, “We now think that 1 million as a criterion is too severe; 2 million is more sensible.”
I think they will do exactly that.
No mention of this at the arctic sea ice blog (Neven) no talk of fractures in the ice and no forecast yet of minimum arctic sea ice volumes. It all seems to have frozen up over there. Unfortunately each time one is tempted to gloat the data goes the other way. Also it is only a model forecast and the models have not been well programmed in the past.
Fingers crossed it proves right
Thanks Latitude for showing us part of his current research interests includes “Social media climate change advocacy“.
Beckwith is an alarmist of the highest caliber. You will find him on the Sierra Club, the Arctic Methane Group, Arctic News and so on spreading his garbage and alarm. He will make a great climate scientist. / 😛
Just The Facts says:May 24, 2014 at 4:46 pm
“I agree on both accounts, but it still invalidates the statement that CFSv2 model “prediction is biased high”. It was biased high based upon hindcasts, but is has made two sets of predictions thus far with one biased high and one biased low.”
You are quoting, I think, bias-adjusted predictions. Yes, they should, by definition, not be biased high. But we don’t know a bias-adjusted CFSv2 prediction for 2014. We only know the raw model output, which Wang et al tell us needs bias adjustment for practical prediction, else it will be too high.
It will be interesting to see their SEARCH prediction for 2014. I predict it will be a lot lower than 6.5 M sq km.
Here is some clarification on what is “ice-free” from Judith Curry. I can live with it, though I doubt we will get there anytime soon.
Judith just said…..they changed the definition of drought…to mean when it’s just not wet enough
@ur momisugly Bastardi and Watts
You think you can disprove the multi-decade phenomenon of AGW with THIS?
You think you can disprove the multi-decade phenomenon of AGW with THIS?
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well damn…and to think, they almost got away with it
tom s says:
May 24, 2014 at 10:33 am
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Nice going!!!
Nick Stokes says: May 24, 2014 at 5:49 pm
National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) – Climate Prediction Center – Click the pic to view at source[/caption]
You are quoting, I think, bias-adjusted predictions. Yes, they should, by definition, not be biased high. But we don’t know a bias-adjusted CFSv2 prediction for 2014. We only know the raw model output, which Wang et al tell us needs bias adjustment for practical prediction, else it will be too high.
You could be right, but I interpret from “III. Bias adjustment based on 1997 ‐ 2010 hindcasts” on slide one of this pdf;
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/SIF/docs/Seasonal_Sea_Ice_Forecasting_from_CFS2-Wanqui_Wang.pdf
that the Sea ice extent and concentration forecasts on this page;
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/CFSv2seasonal.shtml
have already had bias adjustments applied. I don’t understand why they would post data that is not useful for “practical purposes”, since as you noted “when the sea ice predictions are used for practical applications, bias correction is necessary.”
It will be interesting to see their SEARCH prediction for 2014. I predict it will be a lot lower than 6.5 M sq km.
I have no way to guess whether their prediction will change, but I will predict that the prediction they submit to SEARCH will be the same as the prediction posted on the CFSv2 Product page:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/CFSv2seasonal.shtml
Also for reference, here is CFSv2’s Concentration Forecast for September 2014:
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warrenlb says: May 24, 2014 at 6:55 pm
You think you can disprove the multi-decade phenomenon of AGW with THIS?
No, the lack of any warming after 1998, and the fact that during “the two periods 1910-40 and 1975-1998 the warming rates are not statistically significantly different”, when there wasn’t sufficient Anthropogenic CO2 between 1910-40 to be a significant cause of the warming disproves the “multi-decade phenomenon of AGW”:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/29/when-did-anthropogenic-global-warming-begin/
Arctic Sea Ice returning to “normal” will just put a fork in the whole Arctic Sea Ice “Death Spiral” meme:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/06/05/204201/nsidc-director-serreze-death-spiral-arctic-ice-wattsupwiththat/
I see the sea ice minimum as coming close to 6.0 mil. The sst anomalies in the oceans have changed quite a bit in the last year. Especially due to the cooler sst trend from last year in Hudson Bay, the Great Lakes, the eastern Arctic, and Baffin Bay. That will help bring the ice minimum close to the median, but there is still some warmth in the top of the Atlantic that will hold back the ice recharge cycle.
warrenlb says:
@ur momisugly Bastardi and Watts
You think you can disprove the multi-decade phenomenon of AGW with THIS?
As usual, you get the Scientific Method backward. AGW is unproven. It is a conjecture. Skeptics have nothing to prove.
AGW may well be true. But if it is, it is much, much smaller than the climate alarmist contingent thinks it is. There has been no global warming for more than 17 years, by satellite measurements.
It is up th those promoting the AGW conjecture to produce testable, measurable evidence showing that it exists. So far, there is no such evidence. If you think there is, post it here. You will be the first.
Steven Mosher on May 23, 2014 at 6:29 pm
“The North Pole has NEVER been ice free before. It really is much worse than we thought. LOL.”
Gosh sounds like the stupid mistake Goddard made here years ago.
If this year’s September minimum comes even close to this astonishing above-normal prediction, it would be a massive reversal of the recent trend of Arctic ice loss and would start to look like recovery.
It would also show Steve Goddard’s 2010 prattfall in a more favourable light. His prediction of recovery based on multi year ice survival would be vindicated, except that he was a few yesrs too early.
Just wondering about the apparent conflict created by this post:
Scientists Renew Their Warning of Rising Oceans From Polar Melt
http://www.naturalcuresnotmedicine.com/2014/05/scientists-renew-warning-rising-oceans-polar-melt.html
@dbstealey: No, disproving an established theory requires contradictory evidence to invalidate it. This particular discussion on arctic ice does nothing of the sort.
I have no doubt that if one were to post evidence that supports AGW on THIS website, it would be a first. If, however, you’re interested in finding some of the overwhelming evidence that supports AGW, you know where to find it: The IPCC 5th Assessment, sketpticalscience.com, or peer-reviewed journal papers.
Gary Pearce; “Finally, I have come to appreciate the prodigious work, knowledge and thought you contribute to the scientific discussion here and elsewhere. No put-downs intended.”
thanks for your comment and the more detailed post.
@JusttheFacts:
Nope.
There are two global temperature satellite datasets, only one of which indicates no warming over that time period. Moreover per the head of the team that maintains the satellite dataset that shows warming – prominent global warming “skeptic” Roy Spencer – the satellite dataset that shows no warming may be biased against actual warming because it uses old satellites that are decaying in their orbits.
There are also multiple surface global temperature datasets, all of which show warming over that time period. This data shows that each of the last 3 decades were warmer than the prior decade. What’s more, globally, the hottest 12-month period ever recorded was from June 2009 to May 2010.
Most (over 90%) of global warming happens in the oceans in any event, and the oceans show warming over the past 17 years: http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/.
Finally, the process that drives warming of the planet continues, unabated: CO2 continues to rise each year as man burns fossil fuels, and thus the greenhouse effect continues to increase.