Is the climate computable?

chaos_signOur WUWT thread on Antarctic Sea Ice Losses has spurred quite an interesting discussion. Dr. Robert G. Brown of the Physics Department at Duke University responds to a comment on  ice albedo with a summary of water vapor action, the greenhouse effect, and the chaotic nature of the atmosphere. He ends with his view of why he’s not a betting man.

Well worth a read.

rgbatduke says:

May 21, 2014 at 5:49 am

phlogiston: I do realise that over the Antarctic land mass albedo from surface snow is anomalously higher than that from cloud, since the snow presents such a pure white surface. However this is probably not the case for sea ice whose surface is more irregular and cracked with patches of dark sea in between.

The trouble is that water vapor is literally a two-edged sword. As vapor, it is the strongest greenhouse gas in the atmosphere by (IIRC) around an order of magnitude, so increasing water vapor can and does measurably increase the GHE — a lot, when considering dry air versus saturated air. In arid deserts, temperatures skyrocket during the day and plummet at night because of the absence of a water vapor driven GHE — CO_2 alone isn’t nearly enough to keep upward facing surfaces from rapidly losing their heat due to radiation. In very humid tropical climates, the nights are consistently warm because of the GHE.

However, water vapor is also the mediating agent for two major cooling mechanisms. One is the bulk transport of latent heat — sunlight and LWIR hit the sea surface and cause rapid evaporation of surface molecules of water. Wind blows over the ocean surface, stripping off water molecules as it goes. This evaporated water has a huge heat content relative to liquid water — the latent heat of vaporization. As the warm water vapor is carried aloft by convection, it carries the heat along with it. It also cools as it rides the adiabatic lapse rate upward, and further cools by radiating its heat content away (some of which returns to the Earth as GHE back radiation). Eventually the partial pressure of water vapor in the moist air becomes saturated relative to the temperature and the dew point is reached, making it comparatively probable that the water vapor will recondense into water. In order to do so, though, several things have to be “just right”. The water vapor has to be able to lose the latent heat of vaporization that it picked up at the water surface when it evaporated. The future water droplets have to be able to nucleate — which is a lot more likely to occur when there are ionic aerosols in the atmosphere as water (a polar molecule) is attracted to bare charge of either sign.

Once a water droplet is nucleated and grows past a critical size (that depends weakly on humidity and temperature) its surface becomes large enough that growth due to increased surface deposition outweighs loss due to surface evaporation, and the droplet stabilizes as a single droplet of condensation in a cloud or continues to grow to fall as rain. Either way the water, now high in the troposphere and hence through most of the optically opaque greenhouse layer, releases heat that is “short circuited” through the greenhouse mechanism and lost to space via radiation.

The cloud, as you note, has a very high albedo. High albedo means that it strongly reflects short-wave (e.g. visible) radiation without ever absorbing it and being heated by it. During the day, clouds outside of the polar regions act as a cooling agent, reflecting sunlight before it has a chance to reach the ground and lower troposphere to warm either one. During the day and the night, however, the cloud also acts as a powerful greenhouse blanket, directly reflecting LWIR as well as visible back down towards the Earth’s surface. In the tropics, daytime reflection wins by a landslide — reducing the incident sunlight by a huge fraction for a large fraction of the day beats the comparatively small modulation of surface radiative losses both day and night. In the temperate zone (again, IIRC) albedo still wins, but by a smaller and smaller margin as one creeps north (and in ways that are increasingly dependent on seasonal weather patterns — in the winter clouds can easily be net warming where in the summer they can be net cooling).

However — and this is key and the reason I’m replying to you — in the polar regions clouds are generally net warming, at least most of the year. You’ve already indicated some of the reasons — the polar regions are already often or permanently ice covered, and the gain in daytime albedo from clouds vs ice is not so great. The real problem, however, is that nighttime warming from the enhanced GHE from clouds scales with the fraction of the day that it is nighttime, and of course inside the arctic circles that can be as long as 100% of it. High albedo doesn’t cool when there is no incident sunlight to reflect, and even in the arctic summer, the sun comes in at a substantial angle so that direct solar warming is weak (so that clouds can reflect only a proportionally smaller amount of heat). A lot of polar temperature is determined by heat transport, not direct heating, explaining the substantial difference in mean temperatures of the North and South poles. In the north, there is substantial heat transport and heat exchange via the ocean; in central Antarctica there is only the atmosphere to carry heat in from the warmer latitudes and it just can’t do the job half as well.

That’s why I hesitated to assign a sign to the net feedback from any sort of local modulation of e.g. ocean-air humidity or sea ice coverage. The processes are COMPLEX and can have either sign, and they are NON-LOCAL as adding humidity in one place can increase albedo someplace else thousands of miles away is it finally concentrates enough to form clouds. A large part of the rain that falls over North Carolina comes up from the Gulf of Mexico maybe 1000 miles away. Some of it comes all the way over from the Pacific, where some of that might have originated in e.g. the growing El Nino. Heat from the tropical Pacific can be transported all the way to NC before it finally releases its heat and falls as rain, before it finally creates clouds that cause NC to cool after helping to greenhouse warm much of the surface area it crossed in between.

This is the kind of thing that the models are supposedly trying to model, but they perforce replace all of the small-length scale detail of this description with presumptive averages over cells 100-300 km square (where weather phenomena such as thunderstorms are order of 1 to 10 km square, where the details of front structure and development are much finer than this). They are excruciatingly tuned to aerosol levels and albedo — they have to be to stabilize anywhere near the correct/observed temperatures and preserve the central tenet that CO_2 causes X amount of baseline warming that is on average augmented by additional water vapor.

This last assumption is finally dying a quiet and well deserved death. AFAIK, it is due to Hansen, who in his original papers predicting disaster assumed universally positive water vapor feedback (and for no particularly scientifically motivated reason that I can see, hypothesized truly absurd levels of water vapor feedback that doubled or tripled the CO_2-only warming of his then very simple models). Naturally, some of the GCMs out there have built into them parametric assumptions that preserve this much “climate sensitivity” — total ACO_2 warming plus feedback, usually at the expense of an overdriven response to e.g. volcanic aerosols necessary to explain periods of global cooling and to keep the model from having a runaway exponential instability (because one has to have a mechanism that keeps positive feedback water vapor from causing increase of water vapor without bound just from FLUCTUATIONS in water vapor content or global temperature — the climate cannot be a biased random walk where every time the temperature goes up a bit, average water vapor increases and hence resets the Earth’s average temperature a bit higher unless a competing process can completely erase the gain when the temperature fluctuates down a bit).

At the moment, estimates of climate sensitivity are struggling to retain any net positive feedback from water vapor in the face of data that already solidly excludes the kind of absurd feedback levels Hansen originally hypothesized. Even the question of net negative feedback from water vapor, long considered to be anathema in climate science (except for a few mavericks who managed to publish papers suggesting that clouds could easily lead to net negative feedback through the dual mechanism of latent heat transport and modulation of albedo) is no longer completely off of the table. I don’t know that people will start to take it too seriously unless/until the Earth actually cools (several tenths of a degree, sustained, not just vary up or down or weakly downward trend) but obviously if this happened it would truly be the only likely catastrophe associated with global warming to all of those that have invested their professional careers, hundreds of billions of dollars of global wealth, and their political and/or scientific reputation on shaky claims in poor agreement (so far) with observational data.

IF there is a super-ENSO, perhaps it will help their arguments survive a bit longer, or perhaps it will truly kick up the temperature to where the models become believable again. Perhaps not. ENSO is not the only factor in climate evolution, and while it has been dominant for the last half century or so in mediating positive jumps as documented by Bob Tisdale, its ability to do so could easily be predicated by the phases and states of the other decadal oscillations, the state of the Sun, the state of baseline vulcanism, the immediate past climate history, and the price of tea in China. A chaotic nonlinear system can be quasiperiodic and apparently causal for a while and then for no computable reason change to an entirely different mode of behavior where a significant quasiparticle/process becomes insignificant and some other process becomes the critical driver. We could still watch as the developing ENSO discharges all that heat in such a way that it never manages to raise global average temperatures by much because of some confounding wave that causes the heat to be efficiently transported up and quickly lost rather than persisting to spread out over the globe at high altitude, or by a mere modulation of the winds that causes albedo over the warm(ing) patch to be higher than expected so that the delivery of solar energy to the ocean is effectively interrupted. It’s not like we can properly predict ENSO (although we can do pretty well with forward projective hindsight once an ENSO process has started).

No matter what, I expect the next year to be highly informative. If we have a super El Nino that heats the planet by 0.3C very rapidly, that certainly makes GCMs more, not less, plausible on average as it kicks global average temperatures at least in the right direction for them not to be as egregiously wrong as they currently appear to be. If it only kicks the temperature up by 0 to 0.1 C, and that only transiently so that temperature in a year are again pretty much flat relative to 1998-2000, it is very bad news for the models. If it fizzles altogether — short-circuited, perhaps, by the downhill side of solar cycle 24 that maybe be beginning and which will proceed with poorly predictable speed and which may or may not have a competitive local effect on the climate and produces no gain at all and cycles immediately into a cooling La Nina that augments any solar cycle cooling to actually drop global average temperatures, that too will be very informative.

Personally, I won’t even place a bet. I don’t think the climate is computable, which means that I think one is basically betting on the output of a (possibly biased) random number generator. I’d rather play Mumbledy-peg for money.

 

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Michael 2
May 21, 2014 4:03 pm

Nick Stokes says: (May 21, 2014 at 1:21 pm) Response: “Why not? That is the basic mechanism of wv feedback. You get, say, 1° warming which makes enough wv to create 1/2° warming, which then makes 1/4° warming – nett effect 2° warming. It decreases stability, but to get runaway you need wv from 1° warming to cause 1° extra warming. Then it runs.”
In radio, the equivalent to water vapor gain is a “super regenerative” receiver where the output is fed back to the input to be amplified AGAIN. “Just a little” positive feedback is sent back. It is inherently unstable.
But this feedback can be controlled by AGC, Automatic Gain Control, whose operation is considerably slower but larger in amplitude.
The climate equivalent is that even though your water vapor can be treated as a positive feedback, there’s a *larger* control loop, slower in operation, that acts as a gain control on the whole system, and that climate “AGC” is clouds.
Since any control system whose operation is slower than the system being controlled is inherently unstable and will usually oscillate, we have the foundation or skeleton of understanding many climate systems each with oscillating control systems.

LewSkannen
May 21, 2014 4:03 pm

Mumbledy-peg? Try Mornington Crescent!

Jimbo
May 21, 2014 4:06 pm

Is the climate computable?

Yes it is. The IPCC has accepted a carefully ‘selected’ set of computable simulations in its first, second, third, fourth and fifth assessment reports. It made a number of projections and almost all of them failed. You really can rely on the IPCC, it’s the Gold Standard TM of Climastrology. :-O

Three years of observations show that the Antarctic ice sheet is now losing 159 billion tonnes of ice each year — twice as much as when it was last surveyed.

Three years is now the climate. I was once told that 30 years is the IPCC’s generally accepted period for climate. Is this FLEXI-CLIMATE TM?? Is it FLEXI-WEATHER? Is it in fact a pile of bullshit?

Jimbo
May 21, 2014 4:08 pm
Michael 2
May 21, 2014 4:14 pm

Joe Born says: “Presumably Dr. Brown had a different type of system in mind, but the above-quoted excerpt doesn’t make clear just what that might have been.”
Agreed. I have noticed the words “positive feedback” being used in two quite-different ways. One is result-oriented, if a system runs away then it has positive feedback and if it is self-damping then it has negative feedback.
The other viewpoint is, as you have described, a certain amount of positive feedback simply extends the effect of the input, amplifying it recursively.
These two viewpoints overlap and I believe Dr. Brown is speaking of the thermal runaway kind of instability that clearly does not exist BUT is argued to be possible by many people.
It seems true that some sort of bistable switch does exist and responsible for the 100k-year ice ages and the 11k-year interglacial warm periods.

Jimbo
May 21, 2014 4:16 pm

Three years of observations show that the Antarctic ice sheet is now losing 159 billion tonnes of ice each year — twice as much as when it was last surveyed.

Here is Antarctica ‘gaining sea ice for more than 3 years. What might have one concluded then?

Abstract – 2005
Icebergs near New Zealand and related phenomena
Icebergs were seen in the Southern Ocean between Campbell and Antipodes Islands in late December 2004. This note lists other times when icebergs were sighted near New Zealand, in the 19th and 20th centuries. In the South Island cold weather patterns, exceptional snowfalls, massive snow avalanching and glacier expansion episodes were broadly coincidental with the times of iceberg appearance relatively close to our shores.
During the 19th century there were occasions when bergs were much more abundant and travelled much further north than at any time since……
In the summer of 1892 a major influx of icebergs, the northernmost at 42° 20´S was observed around the Chatham Islands. More bergs drifted around the Antipodes and Bounty Islands. At this time (1892-1893) there were many berg sightings about or north of the 60th parallel between 170° and 140° W. Again, in the summers of 1894, 1897 and 1898 there were many icebergs around Bounty and the Antipodes Islands……
source
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Antarctic icebergs near New Zealand
…The icebergs reported by Russell (1895) from sightings between 1888 and 1895; from N.Z. Marine Department records 1922 to 1948* in the area from Australia to South America, and the records of bergs occurring between 1892 and 1899 (Meteorological Office, London, 1907) are plotted in Figs 1 and 2. The Hinemoa records (Fig. 3) are of a field of bergs seen around the Antipodes Islands in 1897…..
In September and October 1892 large numbers of very big icebergs were reported from vessels at points between 200 n.m. (nautical miles) east of New Zealand and 300 n.m. east of the Chatham Islands, between latitudes 42° S and 50° S. S.S. Coptic (between 180° and 174° W in 46° S) “met some enormous icebergs two hundred and fifty feet high“; S.S. Star of England reported “The morning after leaving Lyttelton, New Zealand, saw huge iceberg, a little later engines had to be stopped; completely surrounded by icebergs. Nothing but ice three hundred feet high could be seen from aloft………
Shand (1893) describes the bergs of this group as seen from the Chatham Islands on 28 and 29 October 1892 and for “a week or more” after. More than eight bergs were seen, the largest “not less than 500 ft in height”,…..
(source – pdf)

3 years is a joke. An act of desperation in the face of a defiant Antarctica. Record cold in the East, extreme snowfalls in the East recently recorded and no credible evidence of an acceleration in the global rate of sea level rise. This is how you know there is something very, very fishy going on. They keep telling you that everything has gone to the dogs with the ice but…………………..no acceleration. NONE.

milodonharlani
May 21, 2014 4:22 pm

Michael 2 says:
May 21, 2014 at 4:14 pm
The interglacials vary in length by a factor of three, four or more, ie from less than 10,000 years to over 30,000 (maybe longer). They appear to be controlled primarily by orbital mechanics. There was a switch in the mid-Pleistocene from a predominant 40,000-year periodicity to 100,000 years.
There may be a third, super-glacial state, like the Last Glacial Maximum, which also lasts thousands of years.

May 21, 2014 4:24 pm

rbg said:
“If it fizzles altogether — short-circuited, perhaps, by the downhill side of solar cycle 24 that maybe be beginning and which will proceed with poorly predictable speed and which may or may not have a competitive local effect on the climate and produces no gain at all and cycles immediately into a cooling La Nina that augments any solar cycle cooling to actually drop global average temperatures, that too will be very informative.”
As far as I can see, that’s not how it works. Look at the multi-year La Nina’s episodes in 1973-75, 1983-85 and 1998-2001, compared to the El Nino episodes in 1997-98 and 2009-10 on this solar wind velocity series: http://snag.gy/ppB3v.jpg

May 21, 2014 4:51 pm

Thanks, Dr. Brown. An excellent article.

Steve from Rockwood
May 21, 2014 5:01 pm

Nick Stokes says:
May 21, 2014 at 1:21 pm
[…]
Water vapour feedback was built into the original calculations of Arrhenius.
——————————————–
That was an interesting link. They [Arrhenius et al] thought the mean temperature of the moon was +45 degrees Celsius or did I miss something?

May 21, 2014 5:15 pm

EForster 3:22pm Said that the Essex lecture linked at 11:33am above which agrees with RGBs analysis was
” a simply brilliant deconstruction of all climate models. After seeing this presentation, it seems that the climate science community and those scientists that acquiesce or concur have a lot to answer for.”
I agree entirely and hope that you and other readers will draw the obvious conclusion that other methods are required for climate forecasting.
Again see the series of posts forecasting the timing and amplitude of the possible coming cooling at
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com
Comments on those forecasts would be appreciated.

1sky1
May 21, 2014 5:18 pm

For those interested in what happens with backradiation in situ, instead of in the heads of blog savants, see: http://m.iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/5/2/025203.

May 21, 2014 5:37 pm

Robert Brown said:
“The trouble is that water vapor is literally a two-edged sword. As vapor, it is the strongest greenhouse gas in the atmosphere by (IIRC) around an order of magnitude, so increasing water vapor can and does measurably increase the GHE — a lot, when considering dry air versus saturated air.”
Despite radiating what it has absorbed from the surface and from solar NIR, there is no net gain to the surface during the daytime (away from the high latitudes). It functions as a spatio-temporal heat redistribution system, towards the higher latitudes, and into the night cycle, by means of the ability to store heat. Can the night time and poleward transfer gains be larger than the daytime losses to the surface?
And do cloud tops reflect solar NIR to the same degree as they do in the visible spectrum?

Trick
May 21, 2014 5:38 pm

rgbatduke top post: “During the day and the night, however, the cloud also acts as a powerful greenhouse blanket, directly reflecting LWIR….”
Of course to answer, yes, climate is computable, climate basic physics has to be understood & properly implemented. I wonder what would a proper IR thermometer compute when inserted in climate models pointed up from surface as they run?
Clouds don’t reflect (much) terrestrial LWIR so “directly reflecting LWIR” is fairly common cloud explanation but incorrect. We humans being very nearly blind do observe bright clouds reflecting in the visible wavelength bands (~.7 micron) but in the thermal IR bands (~10microns) our eyes deceive us as clouds are nearly black absorbers/emitters in IR wavelengths we cannot see. The difference we feel on the surface nightly between clear and cloudy skies lies in computable physics of cloud emissivities. This difference lies mostly in the markedly different spectral emissivities of water vapor and of liquid water.
*****
AlecM 11:12am: “…LWIR coming down from the sky; ‘back radiation’. It doesn’t exist;
Clouds absorb terrestrial LWIR, thus they also emit terrestrial LWIR so AlecM is incorrect; again being nearly blind AlecM eyes deceive. Point a not so blind proper IR thermometer measuring brightness temperature up from surface and find clear sky is always radiatively much colder than adjacent cloudy sky. This is because an infrared thermometer measures brightness temperatures, which are lower or at most equal to terrestrial thermodynamic temperatures (e.g. measured by proper calibrated mercury bulb thermometers). Again, this difference lies mostly in the markedly different spectral emissivities of water vapor (clear sky) and liquid water (cloudy sky).
“..a real IR flux when in reality it’s the potential flux to a sink at absolute zero.”
I’m not able to make basic climate computable sense of this statement. If it is basic physics can AlecM give a text book cite (page #) that explains what is meant in equation form preferably tied to basic Planck function?
11:43am: ”.. there are no clouds in deserts.”
Deserts are regions of descending air typically lee side of mountain ranges.

Matthew R Marler
May 21, 2014 5:48 pm

Nick Stokes: The ocean boundary conditions include Clausius/Clapeyron relations; evaporation necessarily increases with warmth.
A problem with the Clausius/Clapeyron relations is that they are derived assuming thermodynamic equilibrium (this is explained, for example, in “Principles of Planetary Climate” by Raymond T. Pierrehumbert), and are not very accurate for dynamic processes in real time. For example, as the “sun rises” over the non-dry areas of Earth each day, the sunshine causes vaporization as the surface warms, and the warm humid air rises in great thermals to high altitudes, where the water then condenses in easily viewed clouds, and then falls back as rain. All without ever achieving equilibrium or the Clausius/Clapeyron relations. The energy flow diagrams of Fasullo and Trenberth, and G. Stephens et al provide an estimate of the average rate, but nothing on Earth happens at the average rate; the energy transfer to the upper troposphere by the moist theermals warms the upper troposphere, and the energy is radiated upward from there at a rate appx proportional to to T^4, where T is higher than the daily mean temperature at least for a while until night fall and the subsequent cooling. Thus the models based on the Clausius/Clapeyron relation underestimate the rate of transfer of surface heat to space, and likely overestimate the increased surface temperature warming that results from increased atmospheric CO2. .
The clouds so easily seen from the ground also reflect incoming light. Thus two effects of vaporization are inaccurately quantified, cloud formation and upward transport of surface heat.

milodonharlani
May 21, 2014 5:56 pm

Matthew R Marler says:
May 21, 2014 at 5:48 pm
GCMs are hopelessly inadequate, at best, & should be scrapped until such time as fundamental problems with them can be solved (probably never, but perhaps theoretically possible). Money spent on tweaking them & making yet more meaningless runs is worse than wasted. Public trough-feeding modelers, aka enemies of humanity & the scientific method, need to go on a diet, while the money saved could be directed toward real science or used to reduce mounting public debts.

Tanner
May 21, 2014 6:10 pm

Since clouds have such a large effect on temperatures would it not be better to see what effect ACO2 has in the middle of the Sahara desert which has less than 25mm of rain per year.
Does that extra 1 part of ACO2 per 10000 parts of atmosphere in the desert cause the temperature to be 1C warmer than it would otherwise be? I’d like to see how that works 😉

milodonharlani
May 21, 2014 6:15 pm

Tanner says:
May 21, 2014 at 6:10 pm
The extra ~1.2 degree C theoretically comes from doubling CO2 from ~3 molecules per 10,000 dry air molecules to ~6 (280 ppm to 560), not just to the present ~4. But a good idea.
The global effect of doubling is negligible, but might be measurable in certain environments.

milodonharlani
May 21, 2014 6:25 pm

From the TAR, quoted by Dr. Essex in the above video, courtesy of EForster & Dr. Page:
“In sum, a strategy must recognise what is possible. In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
No surprise, expunged from subsequent IPeCaC doses.
CACA is a crock of caca & a titanic waste of taxpayers’ hard-earned dollars, Euros, yen, etc.

milodonharlani
May 21, 2014 6:30 pm

However I agree with Dr. Essex that adequate modeling might at some time become at least theoretically possible. That day remains far distant. The CACA Mafia has set back real climatology back a generation. Fundamental data gathering has yet to be done before models with a hope of utility can be constructed & tested.

Pamela Gray
May 21, 2014 6:49 pm

Of course the climate is computable. My grandma did it all the time. She planted her vegetable garden after the date of the last known killing frost for Wallowa County, Which was May 7th. She knew the hot and cold extremes for this high elevation valley surrounded by mountains. That was climate to her. Everything inbetween was weather. She planted with the climate in mind, understanding that weather can nudge the boundaries of climate at any given time. And she understood all of this in fine detail. It took a while but now the National Weather Service has outlined in fine detail all the climate boundaries of the United States which are used when they report the weather forecast.
Climate is bounded by geographical features related to lattitude, longitude, and topographical features and has cold and hot, wet and dry, extreme limits that are not likely to be exceeded unless we are under a major climate shift such as a new ice age (not just an ordinary colder or warmer oscillation). Weather is what is happening when you go outside.

May 21, 2014 7:11 pm

Of course the climate is computeable.
The climate is a collection of long term statistics that we think are relevant to our lives. The amount of rain that will fall over land for example. This number is computeable. I dont even need a gcm to compute it. The question is this.
Is my number reliable enough to INFORM a decision.
Is it exactly computeable? I Dont know I have never seen
A proof that it isnt. Many words but no rigorous proof.
A proof that its not computable a rigorous proof ..well that would be a feat.

AJB
May 21, 2014 7:51 pm

Excellent post. Thank you Dr Brown.

rgbatduke
May 21, 2014 7:58 pm

You claim LWIR coming down from the sky; ‘back radiation’. It doesn’t exist; here’s why. IPCC ‘science’ is based on the concept of “Forcing’, net energy transfer to the Earth’s surface by solar SW and atmospheric LW radiation. Standard physics assesses both as the difference of ‘Irradiances’ from ‘Stefan-Boltzmann’ equations. The IPCC does it differently.
Sigh. I’ve written so very much about this. So has Roy Spencer. So have all of the physicists who write on the list. Your assertion that back radiation does not exist is sheer nonsense, refuted by experiments as simple as buying an IR thermometer and pointing it up, refuted in spectroscopic detail by pointing an actual spectrograph up. If you want to see spectrographs provided by Ira Glickstein from various sources on WUWT, look here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/10/visualizing-the-greenhouse-effect-emission-spectra/
If you want to actually learn the physics of all of this, buy Grant Petty’s “A First Course in Atmospheric Radiation” — it contains a selection of spectrographs taken at the TOA looking down and BOA looking up so you can see the the matching holes and peaks in the CO_2 band of the LWIR spectra both ways. It also contains a fairly detailed single layer model for the GHE — enough to understand the basic radiative mechanism. As you say, atmospheric radiation doesn’t “heat” the surface as it is not a source of free energy, but it significantly raises its dynamic equilibrium temperature when the surface is heated by the sun and its radiation is absorbed and reradiated by the atmosphere en route to space. Furthermore, the process explicitly satisfies both the first and second laws of thermodynamics. All of this is true beyond any reasonable doubt, and reusing a lot of words that you don’t understand doesn’t make it less true or do the skeptical argument any favors.
“The IPCC” doesn’t do anything at all with “back radiation”, but detailed climate models absolutely do include it in their attempt to model energy flow through the cellular partitioning of the model — if they didn’t they’d be egregiously incorrect. That doesn’t mean that the models include it correctly — computing the radiative properties of the atmosphere in detail is rather difficult and (as Petty makes clear) has to be done within one of two general approximations neither of which is entirely satisfactory, and then, they integrate over absurdly large cells routinely treating the radiative temperature of the cell as some sort of average temperature over that entire volume. Since radiation is proportional to T^4, that makes an error out of the blocks since ^4 \ne .
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SIGINT EX
May 21, 2014 8:02 pm

Some fun seems apparent !
Proposition (Guess): Climate Is Not Computable.
Consequence: Climate does Not exist.
Test: Climate models fail to reproduce past and current atmospheric parameters.
Outcome: Climate model failure is evidence that Climate does not exits.
Presumption: Those constructing Climate Models have ability, competence, experience, knowledge, training and wisdom.
Doomed to fail from birth. That is the birth mark of our Boy Vie Boy Climate Modelers.
Champagne wishes and caviar dreams to them. 😉
Ha ha !