In a recent interview, Kevin Trenberth, Distinguished Senior Scientist, from NCAR said the upcoming 2014/15 El Niño might shift global surface temperatures upwards by 0.2 to 0.3 deg C to further the series of upward steps. Curiously, Trenberth is continuing to suggest that the warming we’ve experienced since the mid-1970s resulted from naturally occurring, sunlight-fueled El Niño events and that we might get to experience yet another of those El Niño-caused warming steps as a result of the 2014/15 El Niño. So let’s take a look at what he’s suggesting and what the future MAY POSSIBLY hold in store…if Trenberth’s dreams come true.
Peter Sinclair of ClimateCrocks recently produced two YouTube interviews with NCAR’s Kevin Trenberth about the upcoming 2014/15 El Niño. See Part 1 here. At about the 9-minute mark in Part 2 (here), Trenberth speculates, sounding gleeful, that the upcoming El Niño may lead to another in the series of upward steps in global surface temperature:
One of the real prospects to look out for is whether we go back into a different phase of this Pacific Decadal Oscillation. And one of the potential prospects we can watch out for is whether the next whole decade will be distinctly warmer…uh, uh…and so, in terms of the global mean temperature, instead of having a gradual trend going up, maybe the way to think of it is we have a series of steps, like a staircase. And, and, it’s possible, that we’re approaching one of those steps. And we will go up, you know, two- or three-tenths of a degree Celsius to a next level, and maybe we won’t come down again. I think that’s one of the things we could possibly look out for.
Some of you may believe that Kevin Trenberth is actually looking forward to another upward step…not just looking out for one. So let’s take another look at the upward steps in global surface temperatures he was happily discussing.
Kevin Trenberth introduced his “big jumps” in global surface temperatures in an article last year, without stating their cause. We discussed those big jumps and identified their causes in the post Open Letter to the Royal Meteorological Society Regarding Dr. Trenberth’s Article “Has Global Warming Stalled?”. Please refer to that post for the detailed discussion. Figure 1 is an update of Figure 10 from that post with data through 2013. NCDC global land+ocean surface temperature anomaly data were used for consistency with Trenberth’s original article (Data source here.)
Figure 1
SUPPOSE TRENBERTH’S DREAMS COME TRUE
Trenberth is now suggesting that global surface temperatures might shift upwards 0.2 to 0.3 deg C again in response to the 2014/15 El Niño. So for illustration purposes only, let’s take the data from the 16-year period of 1998 to 2013 and shift them up those 0.2 and 0.3 deg C and insert them in the time period of 2015 to 2030. See Figure 2. The period-average temperature anomaly of 0.57 deg C for the period of 1998-2013 would shift up to 0.77 deg C or 0.87 deg C for 2015-2030.
Figure 2
WOULD AN UPWARD STEP HELP THE CLIMATE MODELS?
An upward shift in global surface temperatures would definitely help the models for a few years, but, because the global surface temperatures warmed in a step, the hiatus period that followed would again cause a continued divergence between the models and the real world. See Figure 3 for a model-“data” comparison starting in 1979 and running through 2030.
Figure 3
The graph includes the multi-model ensemble-member mean for the climate models stored in the CMIP5 archive, with two scenarios: RCP6.0 and RCP8.5. And the two sets of future “data” are created once again by taking the NCDC global surface temperature anomalies for the 16-year period of 1998 to 2013, shifting them up 0.2 to 0.3 deg C and inserting them in the time period of 2015 to 2030. Figure 4 includes the same model-data comparison but with the commonly used start year of 1998.
Figure 4
TRENBERTH’S CONFLICT
Kevin Trenberth appears to have conflicting causes for the global warming we’ve experienced since the mid-1970s. On one hand, for decades, Trenberth has been a true-blue proponent of the hypothesis of human-induced global warming, with the warming caused by the emissions of manmade greenhouse gases. On the other, for about a year, he has been promoting the “big jumps” in global surface temperatures, with the steps in the staircase of global surface temperatures being caused by El Niño events.
There would be no conflict if Trenberth was able to show that manmade greenhouse gases somehow contributed to the warm water that fuels El Niño events. But Trenberth has always noted that it is sunlight that provides the warm water for El Niños. In a recent post (see here), we presented two examples of this from his peer-reviewed papers, and for those of you new to this discussion, they’re worth repeating. The first is Trenberth et al. (2002). They write (my boldface):
The negative feedback between SST and surface fluxes can be interpreted as showing the importance of the discharge of heat during El Niño events and of the recharge of heat during La Niña events. Relatively clear skies in the central and eastern tropical Pacific allow solar radiation to enter the ocean, apparently offsetting the below normal SSTs, but the heat is carried away by Ekman drift, ocean currents, and adjustments through ocean Rossby and Kelvin waves, and the heat is stored in the western Pacific tropics. This is not simply a rearrangement of the ocean heat, but also a restoration of heat in the ocean.
The second paper is Trenberth and Fasullo (2011). They write (my boldface):
Typically prior to an El Niño, in La Niña conditions, the cold sea waters in the central and eastern tropical Pacific create high atmospheric pressure and clear skies, with plentiful sunshine heating the ocean waters. The ocean currents redistribute the ocean heat which builds up in the tropical western Pacific Warm Pool until an El Niño provides relief (Trenberth et al. 2002).
And we confirmed in the post Open Letter to the Royal Meteorological Society Regarding Dr. Trenberth’s Article “Has Global Warming Stalled?” that it is sunlight that provides the warm water that serves as fuel for El Niños.
“….MAYBE WE WON’T COME DOWN AGAIN…”
Trenberth’s statement in the YouTube interview, “And we will go up two- or three-tenths of a degree Celsius to a next level, and maybe we won’t come down again,” is similar to one made in his August 2013 interview on NPR . There he is reported to have said:
…what happens at the end of these hiatus periods, is suddenly there’s a big jump [in temperature] up to a whole new level and you never go back to that previous level again…
Those are curious statements. Trenberth has never taken the time to explain that we would NOT expect the surface temperatures to go back down again. So his “never go back to that previous level again” seems to be a clear case of misdirection.
An El Niño…
- releases a tremendous amount of heat from the tropical Pacific to the atmosphere, and…
- it redistributes a tremendous amount of warm water within the oceans from the tropical Pacific to adjacent ocean basins, and…
- according to Trenberth and Fasullo (2011), an El Niño causes changes in atmospheric circulation that reduces the evaporation from the Atlantic and Indian Oceans and allows more sunlight to penetrate and warm those ocean basins to depth, both of which contribute to the warming of the Atlantic and Indian Oceans in response to an El Niño without the direct exchange of heat from the tropical Pacific.
Regarding 3, Trenberth and Fasulo (2011) includes:
Meanwhile, maximum warming of the Indian and Atlantic Oceans occurs about 5 months after the El Niño owing to sunny skies and lighter winds (less evaporative cooling), while the convective action is in the Pacific.
The upward steps are precisely what we would expect of ENSO if it is viewed, not as noise in the surface temperature record, but as a chaotic, sunlight-fueled, recharge-discharge oscillator.
It appears that El Niño events, combined with the heat uptake in the tropical Pacific during La Niña events, are major contributors to any radiative imbalance that may (or may not) exist.
CLOSING
The climate science community hasn’t bothered to properly account for the contribution of ENSO. And there’s no reason that we would expect them to do so. Any attempt by the climate science community to account for ENSO’s contribution to the warming of surface temperatures and the oceans to depth would detract from the hypothetical influence of manmade greenhouse gases.
EARLIER POSTS IN THIS SERIES
- The 2014/15 El Niño – Part 1 – The Initial Processes of the El Niño.
- The 2014/15 El Niño – Part 2 – The Alarmist Misinformation (BS) Begins
- The 2014/15 El Niño – Part 3 – Early Evolution – Comparison with 1982/83 & 1997/98 El Niño Events
- The 2014/15 El Niño – Part 4 – Early Evolution – Comparison with Other Satellite-Era El Niños
- The 2014/15 El Niño – Part 5 – The Relationship Between the PDO and ENSO
- The 2014/15 El Niño – Part 6 – What’s All The Hubbub About?…
- The 2014/15 El Niño – Part 7 – May 2014 Update and What Should Happen Next
- The 2014/15 El Niño – Part 8 – The Southern Oscillation Indices
And for additional introductory discussions of El Niño processes see:
- An Illustrated Introduction to the Basic Processes that Drive El Niño and La Niña Events
- El Niño and La Niña Basics: Introduction to the Pacific Trade Winds
- La Niñas Do NOT Suck Heat from the Atmosphere
- ENSO Basics: Westerly Wind Bursts Initiate an El Niño
FURTHER READING
My ebook Who Turned on the Heat? goes into a tremendous amount of detail to explain El Niño and La Niña processes and the long-term aftereffects of strong El Niño events. Who Turned on the Heat? weighs in at a whopping 550+ pages, about 110,000+ words. It contains somewhere in the neighborhood of 380 color illustrations. In pdf form, it’s about 23MB. It includes links to more than a dozen animations, which allow the reader to view ENSO processes and the interactions between variables.
I’ve lowered the price of Who Turned on the Heat? from U.S.$8.00 to U.S.$5.00. A free preview in pdf format is here. The preview includes the Table of Contents, the Introduction, the first half of section 1 (which was provided complete in the post here), a discussion of the cover, and the Closing. Take a run through the Table of Contents. It is a very-detailed and well-illustrated book—using data from the real world, not models of a virtual world. Who Turned on the Heat? is only available in pdf format…and will only be available in that format. Click here to purchase a copy. Thanks. Book sales and tips will hopefully allow me to return to blogging full-time once again.




“Heat? I don’t think so.” 🙂 It’s sad if you think about it. You would think that the phlogiston theory is long gone… you would think that people would try to figure out why they see a d on the left side and \delta on right side. Neumann work (pun intended) was in vain! It wasn’t stored 🙂
For those that do not get it, see the “First law of thermodynamics” section from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inexact_differential
I don’t think you could blame Trenberth for being a little excited about this event. After all this is his field. If he wasn’t you would have to ask what he is doing studying it.
I mean are you telling us Bob that you are not watching this with more than just a little enthusiasm? Irrespective of the global warming debate, this is a pretty powerful natural event and it has been suggested by a few in the field they are getting more powerful. I know I am very interested to see what comes of this.
AlecM, from the dumber and dumber department, what do you mean by the bold part in this?
Thanks for the time spent answering.
“Say I roll a ball up an inclined plane to a flat top where it rests.
Have I stored the “roll”, the “ball” or something else. Heat? I don’t think so.
Your guess”
I just realized that my guess that Hultquist knows what work is might be wrong 🙂 He might actually think that he actually ‘stored work’ with that ball.
So let’s see what happens. The inexact differential (dependent on the path) of work is: \delta W = F ds (the ds should already suggest the path dependence, and as a note I’m leaving out the vectorial notation). To get the entire work, one integrates over path (now you see the path dependence?).
Hultquist pushes the ball up doing work. Now, some would think that the work needed is simply equal with the potential energy, mgh. By the way, can you figure out where this potential energy is stored? Just as a digression…
But there is friction. So to push the ball up you need to push a little harder. What does friction do?
Well, it’s a dissipative process. As heat also is, and in this case, work, too, and you should try to think of all processes that start in a point A, end in a point B, but although starting from the same state, they do not end in the same state at B, but in states dependent on the path.
There are conservative fields that offer path independence for work. But it’s not always the case.
So let’s see out general case that does not involve heat, only work that ‘can be stored’. You end up with the ball up (pun intended), potential energy mgh (again, where is that stored? 🙂 ) but with some temperature increase. Not only for the ball but also for the ramp, due of friction.
Now let’s suppose you try that again, with the same path, but with something slippery applied so there is not so much friction. The end result, less work resulting in mgh and lower temperature.
To have the same state as before (that is, not only mgh but also the same temperature), you either add work by moving the ball around, or… use heat.
You get the same state, and the ball does not care (and does not know, it’s not actually stored in there) what path did you choose to put it in that state. It doesn’t care if you used only work, or work and some heat. Or only heat (can you figure out a way to do that?).
You have no way of differentiating by looking at the state of the ball. It’s the same state. You have no way of identifying a ‘stored heat’ or a ‘stored work’ in the system.
I thought that for work it would be easier to comprehend, because with F ds it should be clear that if any of the terms becomes zero, then it is zero. You cease the force, or (and) the displacement, the work you (currently) do is zero. Done. Not stored. You do not store F ds. That’s the definition of it. What you think of as ‘stored’ is not actually work. It’s not that F ds you applied on the system. It might do work in the future, but it’s still not work.
It’s very similar with heat. Path dependence, inexact differential, not a state function of the system. For some reason (old caloric pseudo theory thinking?) people fail to see that.
Even if you would think to heat as energy and not energy transfer, you would realize the mistake by considering the whole first principle (that is, including work).
Why doesn’t anyone bother look at the actual data which, so far at least, seems to show this el nino no where near as powerful as the 97 el nino?
First, this el nino is already a full month behind its counterpart. In 1997, the el nino began on April 23rd, whereas this el nino has yet to form as of May 14th (and likely to May 21).
Second, the temperature spikes, once they did hit, were higher in 1997. By April 23rd, the temp in the ENSO 1+2 region was 1.4 degrees above normal at 26.6 degrees C. By comparison, April 23rd showed the temperature 25.3 degrees in 2014, 1.3 degrees cooler.
The same was true across all the sectors except NINO 4.
Once the temperature began to spike, it rose faster and higher than it is doing now as well. By May 14th of 1997, the temperature of NINO 1+2 rose to 26.7 degrees, which is 1.2 degrees warmer than it is now. Within one week of hitting 26.6 degrees, with an anomaly of +1.4, in April of 1997, NINO 1+2 surged to an anomaly of +1.9 degrees the next week and +2.2 degrees the week following. That doesn’t appear to be happening at all now.
After reaching the +0.5 degree threshold for a few days a couple of weeks ago, in NINO 3+4, it fell below the threshold again to +0.4 for May 14 and is still below there now. By comparison, after jumping to +0.6 degrees on April 23rd, 1997, it never fell below that. It jumped to +0.8 degrees by May 7th and kept going up, hitting +1.0 by the end of May and +2.0 by August. I don’t see that happening this time, at least not that quick and probably not +2.0 degrees at all.
So if the el nino were comparable to 1997 you’d basically have to see this week…
NINO 1+2: A jump to +1.9 degrees, followed by a jump to +2.2 a week later.
NINO 3: A jump to +1.0 degrees.
NINO 3+4: A jump to +0.6 to +0.8 (as it fluctuated between the two in 1997. Compared with it fluctuating between +0.4 and +0.5 now).
Otherwise, it misses every mark compared with 1997. It came later, wasn’t as strong, etc. When coupled with the strong trade winds persisting, that’s very telling. This next week of data will actually tell us a lot about whether this will be a strong one or not. If it comes no where near those numbers above, say goodbye to your super el nino. Something else would have to happen, another kelvin wave or something, to give it more energy.
Personally, I suspect no strong el nino will be forthcoming. I think Kevin is engaged in wishful thinking and nothing more. This will rank up there with all the predictions of the ice melting by 2013, etc. This will be just one more in a long list of bitter disappointments for warmists making big predictions. Read the NYTimes story, that’s all you need to know. They WANT this to be a big one to revive the sagging fortunes of global warming and, possibly, strike a UN deal. It’s as Joe Bastardi says it is, wishful thinking.
Can some one tell me if this way of thinking is right or not.
Heat from the sea cant escape into the air if the air is warmer than the sea.
Heat is driven by (negative) temperature gradient (see Fourier law). But the “heat from the sea” wording might be wrong if it suggests that there is heat in the sea. And by adding “can’t escape” you strongly suggest that.
If you mean by “from the sea” only the sign of the energy transfer, then it is ok.
By ‘heat in the sea’ I meant ‘heat stored in the sea’. Obviously there can be ‘heat in the sea’ as energy transfer between various subsystems. But this is not storage.
Heat transfer from the sea to the atmosphere won’t occur through conductivity if the air temperature is the same as the ocean surface. But it does transfer through evaporation.
Well, it depends what you mean when you say ‘same temperature’. See for details this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_equilibrium
and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_equilibrium
This might be also helpful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor_pressure
Cut out the zen master crap. My challenge to you was:
Put up or shut up.
Who turned off the cooling?
(during a La Niña that is)
I would specify your coffee temperature. ‘Elevated’ means nothing without a reference, and claiming that it has ‘heat stored’ is plain stupid, and you’ll get it when you would realize that you can get the same effect by doing mechanical work.
Jim says: “Why doesn’t anyone bother look at the actual data which, so far at least, seems to show this el nino no where near as powerful as the 97 el nino?”
My most recent look at data was presented on May 8th:
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/the-201415-el-nino-part-7-may-2014-update-and-what-should-happen-next/
The only global temperature step rises after the Pacific climate shift occurred during two strong El Nino events. The only two that have been the strongest recorded since data began in the 1950’s. The only two that were more than 2.0 c rise and higher than with any El Nino model forecast to be around 1.5 c This will not cause a step up in global temperatures.because the energy involved is not great enough for it to happen. Past El Nino events have shown this to be the case and It is clear to see that ocean cycles drive global temperatures.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1975/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1997.5/trend/offset:-0.05/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:1996.5/trend/offset:-0.05/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1977/to:1987/trend
I am not expecting any strong El NIno events to occur for at least two decades and this is because the sub ocean current off the coast of south america is stronger during negative PDO phases. This knocks back the warm undercurrent from the west equatorial Pacific towards the east equatorial Pacific and prevents too much warmer water up-welling to produce these stronger El nino events.
On “comieBob” v. “somebody,” & what is heat?
I am old enough to have watched the entire Watergate Senate hearings in the early seventies. One Gettysburg moment occurred after weeks of building drama, when RN’s closest aid, H. R. Haldeman, a man who had built a pioneering career upon employing linguistic subtleties to influence attitudes of the lay public (our first “spin” firm, or “PR”), finally was subjected to cross examination. On one crucial point, which no longer matters, he interrupted his interlocutor, Chairman Sam Irwin, with the query: “How do you know that is what i meant, Senator?” To which Irwin replied (bringing down the house and turning the tide, so to speak): BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AS MY MOTHER TAUGHT IT TO ME.
Merriam-Websters offers four definitions for the verb and twenty-six for the noun. Noun number one is the root of our conception: “a condition of being hot: WARMTH”. The latter, the sensation of our mother’s tit, while the former perhaps is our encounter with the first touch of a lit electric bulb, or an overly warm beverage or bath water. Nary a mention of “energy transport”. Like it or not, we be but simians, who — take what we can gather from coincidence — generally. Hence, we seem stuck with our “gibberish”.
Number 8 is closest to the Somebody notion: “added energy that causes substances to rise in temperature, fuse, expand, evaporate, or undergo various other related changes, that flows to a body by contact with or radiation from bodies of higher temperature, and that can be produced in a body (as by compression)” — but is still built around the phlogiston kernel, that is of stuff as opposed to process. Number nine (as well as one) is closest to Commie: “the energy associated with the random motion of molecules”.
We are all entitled to our personal quiver of facts, but to converse, we cannot be entitled to our own definitions. So in the next heat over heat, the heat heat ought not get their heat so up, as to cause heat to flow from the cool erudition of select recondite physics texts, to the heated rabble of us mere gibberish speakers, thus contravening the very insight they seek to enlighten. When it comes to the phlogistic theory of heated communication, this hideous venom that has infected so much of our discourse about an outrageously complex complex of nuances, sometimes “a whole lot of nothing is a real cool hand”. Cool Hand Luke.
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Interesting semantic argument re heat. Your definition is your definition. Don’t call people names because they do not happen to agree with you.
Regarding the question, is the warming of the earth simply caused by el ninos since there seems to be a step up every time there is an el nino, the answer is no. El ninos warm up the atmosphere and then it should naturally cool down post event. Why does it not cool down post event? Why is it always ratcheting up but not down again as you would expect? The correct answer is because of changes to the composition of the atmosphere caused by humans. No prize for figuring that out, I am sure even Mr. Trenberth has that one figured out.
Peter Martin says:
Why is it always ratcheting up but not down again as you would expect? The correct answer is because of changes to the composition of the atmosphere caused by humans.
Sounds good. But it’s wrong.
Über-warmist Phil Jones points out that these exact same step changes have been occurring since the 1800’s. The planet is simply recovering from the Little Ice Age; one of the coldest episodes of the entire Holocene.
Natural variability is a full and complete explanation of the climate. Occam’s Razor says that no magic gas explanation needs to be added. It is true that CO2 adds some minuscule warming, but that is a third-order forcing, which is swamped by many other second-order and first-order forcings.
The ‘carbon’ scare is based entirely on a few years’ spurious corellation between temperature and CO2. But that relationship has broken down. Global warming stopped many years ago. Now all we have left is politics.
The El Nino cycles might be natural but there is Nothing “natural” about the extra heat in this el nino… What the new paper — “Pacific Ocean Heat Content During the Past 10,000 Years” — shows is that the recent oceanic warming is happening at a historically unprecedented rate. The study was authored by three researchers: Braddock Lindsay, a geoscience researcher at Columbia University; Delia Oppo, a climate scientist at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution; and Yair Rosenthal, a geologist at Rutgers. http://grist.org/climate-energy/the-pacific-ocean-is-now-warming-15-times-faster/
Ashton Martin says: “The El Nino cycles might be natural but there is Nothing “natural” about the extra heat in this el nino…”
Ashton, you must be new here. Are you aware that the ocean heat content of the tropical Pacific is lower now than it was at the start of the 1997/98 El Nino?
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/figure-2.png
We addressed the nonsensical alarmist misinformation in the second of this series:
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/the-201415-el-nino-part-2-the-alarmist-misinformation-bs-begins/
Have good day!