How climate talks can be more successful
May 12, 2014 by Angela Herring, Northeastern University
For more than two decades, members of the United Nations have sought to forge an agreement to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions. But so far, these international climate negotiations have had limited success.
What’s more, game theoretical modeling of the negotiations suggests that there are feasible solutions to the problem. That is, there are commitments that the countries participating in the negotiations could agree to that would accomplish the targeted global emissions reductions. “So, if these solutions are there, the question is why negotiations have not yet reached them – why don’t we have an agreement,” said Ron Sandler, a professor of philosophy at Northeastern University who focuses on environmental ethics.
“We thought the problem might be not be with the potential solutions that might or might not exist, but rather reaching them from where we are now,” added Rory Smead, an assistant professor of Philosophy at Northeastern and an expert in game theory.
In a paper released Sunday in the journal Nature Climate Change, Smead, Sandler, and their colleagues, including Northeastern Assistant Professor John Basl, put forth a new modeling approach that examines this very problem. The results suggest that side agreements, such as bilateral commitments between the US and China or those made in venues like the G8 and G20 summits may be even more important than previously suspected.
Most climate negotiation modeling studies have used social dilemma games such as the prisoner’s dilemma, in which the best interests of the individual agent are not the same as those of the whole. But, as Smead said, “All countries in a sense want to solve this problem—what they disagree on is how to go about solving it.”
So rather than using a social dilemma game, the research team used a bargaining negotiation model. Here’s how it works: Multiple players must coordinate on an agreement with the goal of cutting global greenhouse gas emissions by the targeted amount. While each agent would like to keep his own reductions as low as possible, he would prefer to increase his proposal if it means the group would be more likely to reach a consensus. “If push comes to shove, they’d prefer to do more,” Smead said.
The game starts with each player making an initial proposal to reduce emissions by a certain amount. Then the players see what their fellow participants proposed to and readjust their own proposals. Repeating this several times will eventually either lead to a break down in negotiations or an agreement that makes everyone happy.
It’s a simple model that doesn’t take into account such things as national politics and enforcement scenarios, but it has an important feature: It reveals potential barriers to successful negotiations that might be hidden in more complex models.
The research team found that a few factors were extremely important in maintaining successful negotiations. In particular, agreements were more likely to be reached if the group wascomprised of fewer agents rather than many; if the group consisted of a variety of small and large emitters; and if the perceived individual threat of not reaching an agreement was high.
“The results bare on a number of political questions,” Sandler said. “For instance, while we ultimately need an agreement that includes reductions from almost everyone, side agreements among smaller numbers of participants don’t undermine—but may actually promote—the U.N. process.”
Since smaller groups are more likely to reach consensus, the researchers said, it would be better for a subgroup of countries to come to a consensus on its own and then bring that single proposal to the larger group.
“It would be much better if the rest of the world could figure out a potential agreement and then invite countries such as China and the U.S. to the table,” Smead explained. If that smaller group’s offer is sufficient—that is, if it promises to reduce emissions by the proportional amount necessary to achieve the global goal—then it should be successful in the larger venue.
This suggests that efforts such as the G8 and G20 climate summits are actually beneficial to the efforts of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, which is considered the most important climate bargaining forum. Many have worried that these smaller efforts weaken UNFCCC’s work, but the new research disputes that concern.
– See more at: http://www.northeastern.edu/news/2014/05/modeling-international-climate-negotiations/#sthash.4YMGgCQu.dpuf
@TheLastDemocrat:
The IPCC climate scam is a little bit different; most researchers ‘believe’ because they were (1) indoctrinated in it from childhood and (2) are not that bright otherwise they would be working in real science. After all, when you are developing fake science, you don’t want bright people!
The Life Sciences, on the other hand, recruit the brightest then put enough in management to become tainted and mislead the rest, a bit like the SS which gradually corrupted recruits to accept atrocities never sanctioned by the comparatively-honourable Regular Forces.
So, the climate scam is all about creating lots of dumb papers financed by Obama’s $billions and allowed preferential access to journals by Pal Review. This is the classical ‘Cargo-cult Science’ forecast by Feynman. The underlying claim of ‘black body’ real net surface IR emission is actually the modern analogue of the 18th Century Phlogiston Hypothesis, promoted for religious reasons by Priestley, otherwise a good scientist. The modern equivalent of Priestley is Houghton.
West Antarctic glaciers doomed – we may have to wait 1000 years ( how’s that for high-performance predicting?)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27381010
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Meanwhile, in the pesky present, Antarctica ice extent has set a new record;
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/12/antarctic-sea-ice-at-record-levels/
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177 comments at Jo Nova’s;
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/05/antarctica-stealing-australian-rain-prof-matthew-england-anu-unsw-nature-struggle-to-get-cause-and-effect/
Agenda 21 propaganda.
The only effective way to have positive results from a climate talks is to stop talking and forget about the subject.
There is no problem. Period.
Besides that, since we have a record Antarctic ice sheet I am no longer a denier but a realist so shut up, the talks are over.
Don’t you love it.
village idiot,
“Bottom line: Humans (generally) are far too selfish to either recognize the problem, or if they do, to do anything about it. Only thing to do is fasten your seatbelt…”
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and wait for the increase in population to 9 billion by 2050- UN , coz this climate change doubles the population whereas in the past it wiped out civilizations.
What problem?
Perhaps the fact that the UN Agenda 21 folks (On the UN offcial web site, so this is not some unverified claim) stated they alone want $200,000,000,000.00 ($200 Billion) per year in climate reparations taxes and that there is simply no money left might have something to do with it.
The simple fact is that the USA central government ALONE is kiting checks for $1 TRILLION per year above and beyond the tax take. Add in the unfunded mandates, the unfunded retirement gilded lillies, the unfunded future aportionments, the unfunded…
THEN add in the State’s holes in the ground. California alone being on the order of $40 Billion.
THEN add in the EU and all those member states holes in the ground / piggy bank (Cyprus anyone? Greece? Spain?…)
Just from where do they think any actual productive capacity to make money will come to fund these fantasies of avarice?
Simply not going to happen.
At most, they can redistribute money from productive use to wastage, and reduce their future tax take by the amount of the damage.
Since everyone was expecting to take USA $Dollars and go on a spending spree, and we have to borrow them from China, and China is getting tired of that game; it’s just a large Circle Graft… Each hand reaching into the empty pocket in front of it… and discoverying only a little shrinking dinky to grab onto…
I have only studied game theory a little, but negotiations toward mutual self-sacrifice to save a shared resource seems like a classic “tragedy of the commons” scenario. Without a global governing body with the ability to enforce real punishment, game theory would predict that countries ‘pretend’ to commit to self-sacrifice and then cheat and not actually do any self-sacrifice themselves i.e. exactly what happened with Kyoto.
Game Theory is the brainchild of Princeton’s John Nash of ‘A Beautiful Mind’ fame. George Soros uses Game Theory in his investment strategy. It’s a sophisticated mathematical version of Saul Alinsky’s ‘Rules for Radicals’ on how to influence human history by being an annoying jackwagon.
Meh…. I want my five minutes back.
All we’ve had is ‘game’ theory for the last 2 decades. The time to give up the ‘game’ was 2 decades ago……
There is no mutual self sacrifice here. It is a ‘scare ’em with hog goblins’ political agenda hiding behind cataclysmic pseudo science.
Jimmy Haigh. says:
May 13, 2014 at 1:28 am
I think they should hold the conferences in exotic tropical locations like, for example, Tahiti. …
There are probably not enough whores and limos in Tahiti to host a UN conference; remember the trouble they had in Copenhagen?
http://www.wisdomofwhores.com/2009/12/07/hot-sex-in-copenhagen/
http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges/
blackadderthe4th says:
May 13, 2014 at 6:17 am
Nothing can stop retreat’ of West Antarctic glaciers
The Ross Ice Shelf has been collapsing ever since it was discovered. It receded 30 miles in first 30 years after its discovery
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23150667
The problem with catastrophes that take multiple centuries is that they progress at a rate that during a human lifetime no-one would notice the difference. They can literally be ignored.
Game theory relies on all participants adhering to the rules of the game. For anyone gullible enough to believe that is gonna happen, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
“’So, if these solutions are there, the question is why negotiations have not yet reached them – why don’t we have an agreement,’” said Ron Sandler, … .”
The answer is easy (to echo Sparks and several others):
THERE IS NO CO2 PROBLEM TO SOLVE.
… except how to stop propaganda like this from being pumped out…
and REALITY is solving that nicely: CO2 UP. WARMING STOPPED.
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Hunter (3:48am) says: “I think they will fail.”
They have failed.
That’s why the Enviroprofiteers SOUND SO RIDICULOUS — they have NOTHING meaningful to say.
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LOL — all they have is computer simulations of computer simulations!
(to echo Ben D. at 2:02am)
Game SO over!
Bwah, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
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Re: Bob Ryan’s (12:58am) flawed petroleum supply economics analysis based on mistaken assumptions about:
1. how free markets work;
2. human ingenuity over the ages;
3. basic macroeconomics; and
4. scarcity of resources generally and about world petroleum facts …
1) Demand driving up Price is not inherently a problem. Price, while higher at higher Demand levels, given a fairly free market, stabilizes. For, as Demand increases, so too does the Supply (more producers enter market and or current producers up their supply).
2) If Supply is exceeded by Demand, Price goes high enough to exclude most of the buyers. That is, price simply allocates the product to those willing to pay the most for it. This is not a bad thing. Resource allocation simply is. A new market then opens up for a substitute Supply to meet the Demand formerly met by the older product.
3) Supply almost never suddenly disappears. Supply decreases gradually. That is why capitalism is so great! Capitalists closely watch these things and start planning way ahead of time. As Demand gradually grows closer to exceeding Supply, Price also gradually increases, informing the market. The market responds (as well as anticipating far in advance AND ALSO simply because entrepreneurs are always seeking more market share by creating new market niches and or by lowering costs of production of old products) by funding innovation and new technology.
“The Status of World Oil Reserves: Conventional and Unconventional Resources in the Future Supply Mix,” Amy Myers Jaffe, et. al., p. 8 (October, 2011, emphasis mine)
Ibid. at 10.
(Read it here: http://amymyersjaffe.com/content/pdf/EF-pub-WorldOilReserves-101911.pdf)
(Also see, for an example of technology directly relevant to petroleum supply, anything by synthetic chemist James Tour on nanotechnology.)
Question for thought:
What kind of cars were most of us in the developed world driving 100 years ago?
Answer: None. Most of us were using literal horse power or walking. As the population of cities increased, politicians (and electric train profiteers) blathered on about, “Manure! It’s a crisis! How are we going to deal with it? No more horses — IMMEDIATELY.”
Well, Henry Ford (and several other inventors HURRAH FOR OUR ENGINEERS!! (love you guys)) prevented the manure crisis-that-never-came-to-be.
And if we ever do run out of petroleum… by then, likely another 100 years from now…. what do you think everyone will be driving?
Answer: Yet to be dreamed up (or, at least, put into production)! But it will be — you can count on it!
Technology will solve the petroleum supply “problem.” Price, undistorted by government influence, will drive technology funding. LET PRICE DO ITS JOB! Let Price just be. No need for all those government regulations and programs.
Relax!
This is FOR BOB RYAN (off topic, but, for him it would be very encouraging — if he can look up from his worry-board for a couple of minutes….):
Dedicated to all you wonderful engineers!
#(:))
“Hold on Tight to Your Dreams” — ELO
To land of flimflam:theres a massive deposit of algae mined by the big builders.way back before our history.they extracted a billionth of it . nutrition is a mental and physical stimulant.nowadays we just arm broups of bullies and rob resources. Algae eats co2 and helps whales.