The Guardian's Suzanne Goldenberg jumps the shark again – gets called out by NYT

The wailing today is that the collapse of the Antarctic ice sheet has already begun.

Guardian_antarctic_collapse

It’s pretty bad when other environmental reporters start calling you out on it, such as NYT’s Andrew Revkin did today. 

Yes, a slow affair indeed. Truly an abuse of the headline. Buried below the headline in the article, there is agreement with Revkin:

But the researchers said that even though such a rise could not be stopped, it is still several centuries off, and potentially up to 1,000 years away.

A lot can happen in several centuries, why even in the last couple of years Antarctic has seen  record levels on Antarctic sea ice.

And the temperature isn’t cooperating either:

RSS Southern Polar Temperature Lower Troposphere (TLT) – 1979 to Present for the area where sea ice forms (60 to 70S)

Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) – Microwave Sounding Units (MSU) – Click the pic to view at source

[previous graph removed – wrong latitude span and no replacement, my mistake -Anthony]

 

UPDATE: Revkin gives more reasoning on “collapse” here:

Consider Clashing Scientific and Societal Meanings of ‘Collapse’ When Reading Antarctic Ice News

 

Here is the paper the claim is based on:

Widespread, rapid grounding line retreat of Pine Island, Thwaites, Smith and Kohler glaciers, West Antarctica from 1992 to 2011.

Abstract

We measure the grounding line retreat of glaciers draining the Amundsen Sea Embayment of West Antarctica using Earth Remote Sensing (ERS-1/2) satellite radar interferometry from 1992 to 2011. Pine Island Glacier retreated 31 km at its center, with most retreat in 2005–2009 when the glacier un-grounded from its ice plain. Thwaites Glacier retreated 14 km along its fast-flow core and 1 to 9 km along the sides. Haynes Glacier retreated 10 km along its flanks. Smith/Kohler glaciers retreated the most, 35 km along its ice plain, and its ice shelf pinning points are vanishing. These rapid retreats proceed along regions of retrograde bed elevation mapped at a high spatial resolution using a mass conservation technique (MC) that removes residual ambiguities from prior mappings. Upstream of the 2011 grounding line positions, we find no major bed obstacle that would prevent the glaciers from further retreat and draw down the entire basin.

And here is the press release from AGU:

New study indicates loss of West Antarctic glaciers appears unstoppable

12 May 2014

Joint Release

WASHINGTON, D.C. — A new study finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea.

The study presents multiple lines of evidence, incorporating 40 years of observations that indicate the glaciers in the Amundsen Sea sector of West Antarctica “have passed the point of no return,” according to glaciologist and lead author Eric Rignot, of the University of California Irvine and NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California. The new study has been accepted for publication in Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union.

These glaciers already contribute significantly to sea level rise, releasing almost as much ice into the ocean annually as the entire Greenland Ice Sheet. They contain enough ice to raise global sea level by 4 feet (1.2 meters) and are melting faster than most scientists had expected. Rignot said these findings will require an upward revision to current predictions of sea level rise.

“This sector will be a major contributor to sea level rise in the decades and centuries to come,” Rignot said. “A conservative estimate is it could take several centuries for all of the ice to flow into the sea.”

A photo of Thwaites glacier in West Antarctica taken by NASA Operation IceBridge. A new study finds a rapidly melting section of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet appears to be in an irreversible state of decline, with nothing to stop the glaciers in this area from melting into the sea. Credit: NASA

Three major lines of evidence point to the glaciers’ eventual demise: the changes in their flow speeds, how much of each glacier floats on seawater, and the slope of the terrain they are flowing over and its depth below sea level. In a paper published in Geophysical Research Letters in April, Rignot’s research group discussed the steadily increasing flow speeds of these glaciers over the past 40 years. This new study examines the other two lines of evidence.

The glaciers flow out from land to the ocean, with their leading edges afloat on the seawater. The point on a glacier where it first loses contact with land is called the grounding line. Nearly all glacier melt occurs on the underside of the glacier beyond the grounding line, on the section floating on seawater.

Just as a grounded boat can float again on shallow water if it is made lighter, a glacier can float over an area where it used to be grounded if it becomes lighter, which it does by melting or by the thinning effects of the glacier stretching out. The Antarctic glaciers studied by Rignot’s group have thinned so much they are now floating above places where they used to sit solidly on land, which means their grounding lines are retreating inland.

“The grounding line is buried under a thousand or more meters of ice, so it is incredibly challenging for a human observer on the ice sheet surface to figure out exactly where the transition is,” Rignot said. “This analysis is best done using satellite techniques.”

The team used radar observations captured between 1992 and 2011 by the European Earth Remote Sensing (ERS-1 and -2) satellites to map the grounding lines’ retreat inland. The satellites use a technique called radar interferometry, which enables scientists to measure very precisely — within less than a quarter of an inch — how much Earth’s surface is moving. Glaciers move horizontally as they flow downstream, but their floating portions also rise and fall vertically with changes in the tides. Rignot and his team, which includes researchers from UC Irvine and JPL, mapped how far inland these vertical motions extend to locate the grounding lines.

The Amundsen Sea glacier beds are below sea level, so that as the grounding lines retreat, the water below the floating ice shelves gets deeper rather than shallower. This image shows the beds of Thwaites and Haynes glaciers, with colors indicating depth. The large blue area under Thwaites Glacier is almost three-quarters of a mile (1,200 meters) below sea level. The broken lines at the front of the glacier show how the grounding line has retreated over 19 years; red is the 1992 grounding line, and black is the line's position in 2011. Credit: NASA

The accelerating flow speeds and retreating grounding lines reinforce each other. As glaciers flow faster, they stretch out and thin, which reduces their weight and lifts them farther off the bedrock. As the grounding line retreats and more of the glacier becomes waterborne, there’s less resistance underneath, so the flow accelerates.

Slowing or stopping these changes requires pinning points — bumps or hills rising from the glacier bed that snag the ice from underneath. To locate these points, researchers produced a more accurate map of bed elevation that combines ice velocity data from ERS-1 and -2 and ice thickness data from NASA’s Operation IceBridge mission and other airborne campaigns. The results confirm no pinning points are present upstream of the present grounding lines in five of the six glaciers. Only Haynes Glacier has major bedrock obstructions upstream, but it drains a small sector and is retreating as rapidly as the other glaciers.

The bedrock topography is another key to the fate of the ice in this basin. All the glacier beds slope deeper below sea level as they extend farther inland. As the glaciers retreat, they cannot escape the reach of the ocean, and the warm water will keep melting them even more rapidly.

The accelerating flow rates, lack of pinning points and sloping bedrock all point to one conclusion, Rignot said.

“The collapse of this sector of West Antarctica appears to be unstoppable,” he said. “The fact that the retreat is happening simultaneously over a large sector suggests it was triggered by a common cause, such as an increase in the amount of ocean heat beneath the floating sections of the glaciers. At this point, the end of this sector appears to be inevitable.”

Because of the importance of this part of West Antarctica, NASA’s Operation IceBridge will continue to monitor its evolution closely during this year’s Antarctica deployment, which begins in October. IceBridge uses a specialized fleet of research aircraft and the most sophisticated suite of science instruments ever assembled to characterize changes in thickness of glaciers, ice sheets and sea ice.

For additional images and video related to this new finding, visit: http://go.nasa.gov/1m6YZSf

For additional information on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and its potential contribution to sea level rise, visit: http://go.nasa.gov/1oIfSlO

For more information on Operation IceBridge, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/icebridge

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Jimbo
May 12, 2014 4:56 pm

Captain, the ice is breaking up.

IN the last decade of the nineteenth century, between 1892 and 1897, there occurred an enormous outburst of ice from the Antarctic which filled the Southern Ocean with ice floes and icebergs to such an extent that traffic between South America, Africa, and Australia had to seek a more northerly track. This outburst had far-reaching climatic repercussions. The monsoon regimen of the Indian Ocean was profoundly disturbed……In 1899 – 1900 upwards of 6,500,000 people were on famine relief for several months. The loss of cattle was great, running into many millions…….
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/208079?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21103345664011

[Apologies if I have made any typing errors as it is from an image.]

Goldie
May 12, 2014 5:00 pm

This whole thing is a re-interpretation of what we were taught in regards to glaciers in the 1970s/80s. At that time we were taught that Glaciers increased their flow rate due to increased inputs at the top of the glacier – that is, increased snow at the top caused the Glacier to flow more rapidly much like a river. Even at that time, the study of glaciology was not new and was based on nearly a century of observation by explorers and mountaineers.
Suddenly we now have this concept that increased flow is due to meltwater “lubricating” the base of the glacier and causing it to attenuate. I can’t help wondering if this “new interpretation” isn’t based on trying to fit facts to a theory.
I also really struggle with the concept that these glaciers are melting in the way described – I was on an Antarctic flyover trip on the 30th January this year. The maximum temperature was 4 degrees Celcius and this lasted for about 2 hours – we could see ice crystals forming on the sea even as we flew over. Given this was the peak of summer, I find it hard to believe that the subsurface temperatures of the Glaciers were affected at all – of course this was “Eastern Antarctica” so it might be different in other locations.

Jimbo
May 12, 2014 5:03 pm

During the late 1950s there were some reports of strange warming trend in Little Antarctica, West Antarctica. This was caused by carbon terror-oxide. When will we act? We must act then and now. It makes us fee useful and gets rid of our WESTERN comfort guilt.

Weather
Volume 14, Issue 6, pages 191–197, June 1959
A Warming Trend At Little America, Antarctica
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.1477-8696.1959.tb00572.x/abstract
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New York Times – May 31, 1958
An analysis of weather records from Little America shows a steady warming of climate over the last half century. The rise in average temperature at the Antarctic outpost has been about five degrees Fahrenheit.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F2091FFA3555127B93C3AA178ED85F4C8585F9
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Newburgh-Beacon News – Dec 16, 1959
Scientists Poking Around Antarctica Melt Mysteries
http://tinyurl.com/obwsxe7

Jimbo
May 12, 2014 5:04 pm

Yet in 1979 everyone said Antarctica was OK

May 12, 2014 5:05 pm

Hmm 200 to 900yrs. Knowing that alarmists are going to bring the disaster forward as much as decently possible and knowing that 100 yrs has fallen into disrepute, perhaps we should tighten this up and get rid of the too accurate top estimate. Let’s say ~500-1000 yrs. After all, they are probably using too high a climate sensitivity a la IPCC.

Jimbo
May 12, 2014 5:11 pm

New study indicates loss of West Antarctic glaciers appears unstoppable
12 May 2014
Joint Release

Yet in a few years time they will say ‘Scientists Surprised by…….’
It is garbage through and through. Let me give you and example of a “prediction” that is going to fail. I am 100% certain. No caveats from me. FAIL.
Professor Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University has predicted that the Arctic would become ice free in 2015 or 2016. He even explains what constitutes ‘ice free’.

pokerguy
May 12, 2014 5:15 pm

“There was a “CLIMATE CHANGE” discussion on FOX News today where some Democrat woman rolled out the “97% Consensus” and labeled it GOSPEL…. I can’t afford to replace my TV so I didn’t throw anything at it.”
This is the beating heart of the warmist position. Want to put a stake through that beating heart? Who doesn’t? Somehow we need to scrape up the money to hire a nationally known, respected polling firm to design a survey of scientists as to their position on CAGW…

rogerknights
May 12, 2014 5:25 pm

The Antarctic glaciers studied by Rignot’s group have thinned so much they are now floating above places where they used to sit solidly on land, which means their grounding lines are retreating inland.
…………..
The point on a glacier where it first loses contact with land is called the grounding line. Nearly all glacier melt occurs on the underside of the glacier beyond the grounding line, on the section floating on seawater.

Maybe they thinned because the glacier was moving so slowly. If so, then maybe when its speed increases, it will have less time to thin and it will eventually sink and drag on the bottom again. (??)
Are there historic measurements of the temperature of the seawater in that region? What indications do we have that it’s been warming over the last 50 years or so?
Might the increased flow of ice into the Southern ocean cool it down enough to counteract the thinning process significantly?
Might the increased flow of ice into the Southern ocean start to cool the globe? How much? Might it do so more effectively than a reduction of CO2 emissions would? (If so, why sweat the small stuff?)
Can a reduction of our emissions raise the temperature of the seawater there? How much? How long would be needed for it to take effect? How certain can we be of our estimate of this?
If the increased ice flow can’t be stopped or significantly slowed by mitigation, as is implied in the news stories (“inevitable collapse”), then adaptation is all that’s left, and we can forget about costly, futile renewables, etc. (right?).

Bill Illis
May 12, 2014 5:32 pm

Here is the official sea surface temperature record for the region. I would not call that a warming trend, especially the last 15 years.
http://s13.postimg.org/fo76ukypj/iersstv3b_240_270_E_60_75_N_na.png
How do they project that warming will continue in the region when the trend is zero if not down.

May 12, 2014 5:42 pm

Sounds like the normal ebb and flow – I guess the headline “The more things change, the more they stay the same” is not catchy enough.

Chuck L
May 12, 2014 5:43 pm

Bill Illis says:
May 12, 2014 at 5:32 pm
“Here is the official sea surface temperature record for the region. I would not call that a warming trend, especially the last 15 years.
http://s13.postimg.org/fo76ukypj/iersstv3b_240_270_E_60_75_N_na.png
How do they project that warming will continue in the region when the trend is zero if not down.”
They sprinkle pixie dust and unicorn horn shavings on a crystal ball, and then tap their heels together 3 times.

Richard M
May 12, 2014 5:59 pm

From another article I read:
“the West Antarctic ice sheet is melting because of naturally-occurring warm water welling up from deep in the ocean. ”
It sounds like AGW has nothing to do with this, and there’s no guarantee it will continue.

Gary owning
May 12, 2014 6:13 pm
May 12, 2014 6:16 pm

Peter Miller:
“The Guardian is the ecoloons’ bible, so it can say old BS -and it does – and instantly it will become true. However, there are… SNIP (a) SNIP …few climate scientists who are genuinely embarrassed by its obsession with repeatedly trumpeting fantasy as fact.”
There, I fixed it for you.
And therein lies the problem.

conscious1
May 12, 2014 6:26 pm

Just because the media spin is alarmist doesn’t mean the scientific evidence is bogus. The WAIS has disappeared completely during past interglacials. The ice sits on a basin that is up to 2500M below sea level. Once water gets under the ice I can see how it could increase the flow further decimating the volume.
I suspect the authors of these studies have swallowed the Kool Aid and believe we are on an unstoppable increase in global temperatures. If we have global cooling in the coming decades it will be interesting to see if the grounding line advances.

hunter
May 12, 2014 6:27 pm

In the US state controlled media like NPR is echoing the fear mongering hype as well.

john karajas
May 12, 2014 6:31 pm

Western Antarctic ice melting is proceeding at such a pace that world sea levels are likely to rise by 4 feet in the next ten years according to an FM radio station here in Perth a few minutes ago. Is it a prerequisite that journalists have full lobotomies prior to starting their career path? It appears that way.
If I ‘d have known that I would have ever been subjected to such crap about supposedly serious scientific issues when I was studying geology a few decades ago, I might have considered taking a cyanide pill. Listening to such bollocks is SERIOUSLY painful.

Joe G
May 12, 2014 6:39 pm

OK so where should I buy now so that my ancestors will have beach-front property?

James Hein
May 12, 2014 7:05 pm

So to be clear. The Antarctic is experiencing the largest ice growth for some time. Temperatures are not going up but since the Antarctic is a shallow bowl shaped depression where ice is piling out and up on top there is a steadily increasing pressure building up on the ice sheet as a whole. This increase in pressure requires some kind of outlet and in this case it appears to be the Amundsen Sea Embayment. Sounds to me like nature as a reflection of physics is doing exactly what it is supposed to. However since this is a comment on ‘Climate Chage’ I add the now obligatory we are all going to die.

Bob Bajini
May 12, 2014 7:24 pm

I’d like to note a fact about this posting and all the ensuing comments. Both call and response are solely concerned with the language of the Guardian article. No one has evidenced any interest in pursuing a discourse concerning the substance of the papers on which the media is reporting.
“Jokers on the right of me, jokers on the left of me”

conscious1
Reply to  Bob Bajini
May 12, 2014 7:39 pm

Bob Bajini says: “No one has evidenced any interest in pursuing a discourse concerning the substance of the papers on which the media is reporting.”
I guess you missed my comment.

Skiphil
May 12, 2014 7:37 pm

Bob Bajini says:
May 12, 2014 at 7:24 pm
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uhhhh Bob, maybe that’s because the thread IS about the Guardian article and its hyped presentation of the putative scientific facts. You are free to display your scientific prowess at any time, but spare us the sanctimonious twaddle about “jokers” who comment on the actual lead posting.

DDP
May 12, 2014 8:12 pm

She’s as bad (and by that I mean worse) as Louise Gray at the Telegraph, who wrote the usual alarmist crap last year after we had the first decent summer in the UK for seven years, claiming that European summers are 2°C warmer since the 1950s due to climate change.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10303052/Summers-are-getting-hotter-honest.html
“It found that an area across southern England, the Low Countries, northern Germany and Denmark experienced the greatest increase in the temperature of hottest days over the last 60 or so years. ”
Of course, absolutely nothing to do with the post WW2 population boom and urban planning explosion.
http://tinyurl.com/kk4vsxr
What was the urban/rural temperature differential from UHI again? Oh yeah….about 2°C. The big question is, what does more damage. Burning stupid, or repeated facepalming?

DDP
May 12, 2014 8:19 pm

WTF?! ignore that second link. Arse. I don’t even know where that cam from.
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/712130main_8246931247_e60f3c09fb_o.jpg

May 12, 2014 8:24 pm

Dang!!! And here I was gonna invest in Arizona beachfront properties!

TImothy Sorenson
May 12, 2014 9:16 pm

Since there are ‘no pinning points’ the glaciers must completely empty. But that begs the question: How did they form in the first place? Did PIG erodes its earlier pinning points? Did the glaciers form in one massive blizzard all at once?