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Submitted by Eric Worrall
George Leshkevich, a NOAA expert on Great Lakes ice, suggested in an interview that he wouldn’t be surprised if there was ice on Lake Superior in June.
While satellite images show more ice broken up and in smaller floes, there’s “a lot still on the lake,” Leshkevich said.
He said ice on the lake this year compares to 1979 in terms of coverage, with about 67 percent iced over on the comparable date of April 23.
He’s still running the numbers, but 2014 looks like “there’s going to be even more” lingering ice than in 1979. “This year is maybe a record-breaking year.”
The unusually high level of ice cover on the Great Lakes, no doubt caused by global warming, has been causing significant difficulties for local shipping.
h/t IceAgeNow – http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/content/will-lake-superior-still-have-ice-june
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“….No doubt caused by Global Warming…”
I think it was Eric Warrell who said that, and forgot to add the “/sarc” tag. If it had been a true believer, or a person afraid of losing their job, they would substituted the words “might”, “could”, “perhaps”, “maybe”, and “modeled”, for the word “undoubtedly.”
Think of it as deadpan humor. Those of you who can remember the comedian Pat Paulson can imagine him saying, “….No doubt caused by Global Warming…” with his expressionless face and flat, emotionless voice, and the audience cracking up.
A cool summer and autumn is predicted in the Great Lakes.
Here in the eastern end of the UP the small lakes still have ice on them. Clear Lake near Kinross, Michigan had ice on it yesterday when I drove by.
Well, it was warm somewhere.
you do realize its the author of THIS posting that put that there right?
Any indications how this will effect the UP’s coconut and banana harvests this season?
In contrast to the USA, the last 12 months, while mostly above the 20 year average, have seen return of stability to the CET daily maximum / minimum temperatures
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET-dMm.htm
Do these people actually realise realize how stupid they sound?
Do you?
http://www.greatlakesmapping.org/great_lake_stressors/5/decreased-winter-ice-cover
Evidence to date and future projections suggest climate change will bring reductions in the extent and duration of winter ice cover, and Lakes Erie and Superior may show the greatest changes.
Hmmm… Evidence
http://iceweb1.cis.ec.gc.ca/Prod20/page3.xhtml
Still 2500% above normal.
h/t Steve Goddard
In the mean time in Argentina: cars rescued in heavy snow:
http://iceagenow.info/2014/05/cars-rescued-heavy-snow-argentina/
“The unusually high level of ice cover on the Great Lakes, no doubt caused by global warming”
Any more of that Global Warming and the Great Lakes will be covered in ice all year round!
pipes still frozen in Winnipeg.
http://www.cjob.com/2014/04/29/34026/
Pretty soon fresh water will be melting at 50°C (after adjustments).
Village Idiot says:
May 3, 2014 at 9:35 am
Analogy failure Idiot.
NIMBY = Not In My Backyard.
mkelly says:
May 3, 2014 at 10:52 am
Here in the eastern end of the UP the small lakes still have ice on them. Clear Lake near Kinross, Michigan had ice on it yesterday when I drove by.
mkelly,
I grew up in Dafter and used to swim at Clear Lake!
The USCG Icebreaker Mackinaw sailed the Great Lakes for 60 years and could break through the thickest ice, It was 290 feet long, 74 feet wide, and had a draft of 19.5 feet. About eight years ago, it was replaced with the “New Mackinaw”, which is 240 feet long, 58.5 feet wide, and has a draft of 16 feet.
The New Mac is a poor substitute for the original. It could not clear ice by itself and needed assistance from other ice breakers. The Canadian Icebreaker Pierre Radisson did the heavy lifting this year.
Rhetorical question: Do you think the Coast Guard replaced the original Mackinaw with a lesser vessel because the didn’t expect to ever see heavy ice conditions again… due, of course, to global warming?
Going from one extreme (devastating ice storm 2009) to abnormally heavy snow and floods the following year to horrific multi-state tornadoes 2011, think Joplin) to (tree killing drought/hot 2012) to horrific tornadoes again (El Reno, Moore) to (super cold this year) to another round of horrific multi-state tornadoes has just about made life somewhat miserable on/ around the Ozarks plateau.
On some Lake Superior south shore vertical sandstone bluffs (I’m thinking of some east of Munising, Michigan) ice sometimes lingers well into June on the bluffs, because ice that collected on these bluffs is shaded from the sun and kept cool by the lake. Frugal Yooper fishermen have been known to fill their fishing coolers with this ice to save a few bucks.
send this link to the AG of West Virginia:
3 May: WOWK TV: Linda Harris: Morrisey urges EPA to delay carbon dioxide regulations for existing power plants
Attorney General Patrick Morrisey wants the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to delay imposing stringent carbon dioxide emission regulations on existing power plants until it “resolves substantial problems with the proposed regulations for new power plants.”
In a letter to EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy, Morrisey said the regulations for existing power plants should be postponed because they are based on flawed rules targeting new power plants. The EPA’s first attempt at creating new source performance standards — or NSPS — had to be withdrawn after the comment process revealed numerous defects. The current version also suffers from multiple, well-documented problems he said, and has been heavily criticized by job-creators and bipartisan leaders across the nation…
“Driven by the ideology that ‘big government knows best,’ the EPA seems intent on pushing these job-killing regulations regardless of the real concerns voiced by our citizens, job-creators, and elected leaders from both parties.”
Morrisey urged McCarthy and other EPA officials to travel to West Virginia and hear firsthand from people who will be directly impacted by the proposed regulations.
“If permitted to become law, these regulations will have serious consequences for anyone who pays an electric bill and will have a negative impact on the economies of West Virginia and other coal-producing states,” Morrisey said..
.Morrisey also outlined concerns with the current proposed regulations for new power plants, pointing out that the proposal relies heavily on government-funded projects employing carbon capture and storage, or CCS, “even though the EPA cannot identify even one coal-burning power plant currently using CCS on a commercial scale.” The letter states that this reliance is a violation of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, a law that expressly forbids the EPA from setting performance standards based on technology that is funded by government subsidies…
http://www.wowktv.com/story/25415027/morrisey-urges-epa-to-delay-carbon-dioxide-regulations-for-existing-power-plants
The comment “The unusually high level of ice cover on the Great Lakes, no doubt caused by global warming, has been causing significant difficulties for local shipping.” is my comment.
Leshkevich has not to my knowledge attributed the current ice cover on the Great Lakes to climate change.
I am sorry this was not clear from the content of the post.
I made the comment, because as we all know, every vaguely unusual weather event is our fault – such events are caused by
global warmingclimate changeglobal climate disruptionClimate weirding. I did not intend my comment to be interpreted as something I claimed Leshkevich said.A MODIS regional map is at the link below. Click on a lake to view the large image. Read the directions.
Lake Superior recently has had a lot of cloud cover but maybe Sunday’s will be less.
http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/webdata/cwops/html/modis/region_map.html
Rob Dawg says:
May 3, 2014 at 11:29 am
Any indications how this will effect the UP’s coconut and banana harvests this season?
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Can’t say about those particular harvests, however the flamingos won’t be back this year.
No, global warming is not the cause for ice lasting his long on the lake.. Its caused by , lack of sun spots .. proven in the past , like the year with out a summer, states that the sun was quite in the year before and after the year without a summer. Stating lack of sun spots from the sun. Thats real science people .
23 April: NYT: Carl Zimmer: Springing Forward, and Its Consequences
This is a busy time of year for Richard B. Primack, a biologist at Boston University. He and his colleagues survey the plants growing around Concord, Mass., recording the first day they send up flowers and leaves.
***Compared to the last five springs, things are pretty slow right now around Concord, in large part because of the relatively cold winter and chilly March.
***But Dr. Primack wouldn’t call this a late spring. “It’s just much later compared to our recent memories of spring,” he said.
Dr. Primack knows this thanks to Henry David Thoreau…
Eventually, the beneficial impacts of the changing seasons may screech to a halt. That’s because global warming is expected to bring drought to many parts of the world. Extra carbon dioxide may no longer save plants enough water to continue growing.
“If things really get warm and toasty, then I can see the benefit that carbon dioxide brings may be overcome,” said Dr. Morgan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/science/springing-forward-and-its-consequences.html?_r=0
WSJ Market Watch: 9 HOURs ago Live Blog 2014 Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting: live
Andrew Ross Sorkin asks Buffett about climate change.
“You have investments in things like renewable energy and electric cars but BNSF carries lots of coal. What happens in the future?”
#BRK2014: Buffett: “I don’t think in making an investment decision in Berkshire – or any company – climate change should be a factor.”
Munger answers: There is plainly global warming, but people who know exactly what is going to happen are talking through their hats. Climate changes are a real issue, but no one really knows how to quantify the impact. We’re going to need a lot more electricity made from the sun. Berkshire is positioned well with investments in renewable generation and transmission lines…
http://stream.marketwatch.com/story/markets/SS-4-4/