Ocean Acidification Expansion

Guest essay by Steven Burnett

Back in July I wrote a piece that was published at Wattsupwiththat.com regarding the ocean acidification hypothesis (OA) and some of the issues I had with it. After reading the comments and more importantly reading a rebuttal I went through my equations sheet and found a few errors. Unfortunately life issues ate up a bunch of my time over the fall and winter. I have been lucky to have a break recently from tutoring and the onboarding process for one of the atomic laboratories is a bit slow so I had the time to finish this piece.

I tried to push this project out a few months ago, however some grammatical errors resulted in a request for corrections, and I decided to do an entire rewrite. I chose to delay the submission because of a somewhat disconcerting conclusion I came to after reworking the equations and adding some of the peer reviewed studies. The findings are contained in the second section of the essay, but the synopsis is there is no real way to determine if the increase in atmospheric CO2 is mostly anthropogenic. The same equilibrium relationship that drives the doom and gloom predictions of rising atmospheric CO2, works in reverse if the pH drops below the atmospheric equilibrium value.

This may be one of the strongest arguments against an industrial impact on atmospheric CO2 and for natural forces affecting atmospheric CO2.

It would offer a plausible mechanism between the rise in temperature and the subsequent rise in CO2, even accounting for the lag period as a process response. There are still a variety of calculations that need to be performed but it does offer a reasonable null hypothesis to the idea of anthropogenic emissions being the majority of factor in atmospheric CO2

1. My Mistakes

For large complex systems I typically use PTC’s MathCAD for its excellent ability to display equations in true math format, store variables and carry units. The GUI for this program is simply amazing.  The original equation set that I used in the essay was generally correct, however it was developed to look at OA in response to a forum debate I was observing. Because I have yet to receive my big oil check (maybe it bounced), I developed the set as a back of the envelope calculation to evaluate, presented my results and let some of the engineers check my math.  It turns out there were some errors they did not catch, so when I wrote this essay and reviewed the equation sheet, it was only a cursory glance, after all it had passed a “peer review”. Here’s what I found on a more thorough investigation.

I mentioned the EPA value for change on ocean temperature as 1.5-1.75 C when in fact it was Fahrenheit. I assumed that all reputable agencies worked with SI units but I was wrong. Truthfully henry’s law constant corrections are not particularly necessary until you approach temperature variances of about 10C. This value was only researched and correction included because I saw a sceptic trying to claim the change in the henry’s law coefficient was what was responsible for changes in atmospheric CO2 concentrations, this is simply false the thermal variance is too small to significantly impact the direction of CO2 flux.

The second issue I found was a complete user error. When entering the unit set I wanted for atmospheric pressure I was thinking in PSI, not sure why I just was, however in the equation I defined it as atmospheres. Thus the partial pressure of CO2 in my systems of equations was increased by a factor of about 15. When evaluating answers we have a general range of value we find acceptable.  The multiplication factor produced a value of .001 for pH which was lower than expected but not so low as to automatically reject it. When the error was removed the calculated pH on my equation set fell to a change of about .0001 which is far too low to be reasonable.

So what happened? In short I took a shortcut which is mathematically invalid. Below are the four main equilibrium equations regarding an aqueous system of CO2.

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The first equation is henry’s law which represents the equilibrium relationship between the partial pressure of CO2 and dissolved CO2 in water.  The second equation describes the hydration equilibrium between dissolved CO2 and carbonic acid. The third equation describes the first dissociation constant of H2CO3 and bicarbonate. The last equation describes the relationship between carbonate and bicarbonate. They don’t look drastically different than the modified versions I was using in the original essay.

The fundamental difference lies in the concentration of hydrogen atoms which is not visible in my original set.  I was focused on the relationship between how concentrations of the carbonic substance influence the concentrations of the others.  So I removed the hydrogen Ion concentration and inferred it from the change in in concentration of the respective dissociated Ions. I inadvertently set the value of my equilibrium equations to a hydrogen ion concentration of 1. To speak more plainly I didn’t realize I was performing my calculations in a system with an assumed pH of 0.  I apologize for my mistake.

The very heart of the issue, and the core of my skepticism with most climatological finger pointing is the lack of data. There are no preindustrial pH measurements (more on this later). Without pre-industrial pH or for that matter any one of the other chemical species we cannot easily determine the equilibrium concentrations of any of the ions. It is also feasible to find a reasonable approximation through some fairly tedious algebra, which I attempted, found a close approximation but likely missed a step in the 3-6 pages of mixed success and derivations. It resolves to a cubic function, from which a root can be found and a second set of equations solved.  I will even set up the equations for those who want to play with them.

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If we assume the major contributor to hydrogen ion concentration is atmospheric CO2, and if all resultant ions are tied to this then for each H2CO3 that dissociates, the concentration of hydrogen will increased by a total value of x1 which is the same increase in HCO3 concentration. For each subsequent dissociation of HCO3 the concentration of CO3 and hydrogen ions will increase by a total of x2. Thus the total hydrogen will be equal to the initial value plus x1 and x2, x1 and x2 can be negative.  The zeroes in the ion concentration designate an initial starting point and the t designates the target period to solve for, enjoy.

That being said we can much more easily approximate a comparable solution by making one more assumption.  If the first dissociation is the dominant factor in the production of hydrogen ions, which it is ka1=2.5*10-4and ka2=4.69*10-11, then we can assume that the x2 contribution to hydrogen ions is essentially 0.  This gives us a beautiful quadratic which is very easily solved as seen in equation 7 and then 8.

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Had I read through the entirety of the Wikipedia and seen the line at the end suggesting that solution I would have saved a few headaches, and trees. I did however come to the same conclusion independently

Under these conditions we can see the relative changes in concentration of the various ionic species. As more CO2 enters the system carbonic acid goes up, hydrogen ion concentration goes up and bicarbonate ions increase at the same rate.

However referencing the carbonate ion concentration, as the relative change in hydrogen ions is much larger than the change in bicarbonate, thus carbonate levels will drop. For example if I doubled the concentration of hydrogen ions, the concentration of carbonate ions will necessarily drop by half to maintain the equilibrium. An increase in concentration of 1*10^-8.2 hydrogen ions is relatively larger than the same increase at a base concentration in the range of 1*10^-4.

So what does this prove? Sadly nothing. This system of equations only describes sterile, filtered seawater in a flask and holds about the same significance on the results as spherical chickens in a vaccuum.

2. What is the model missing?

Unfortunately there are a large number of factors which are simply not accounted for in a flask hypothesis. There is of course the change in relative concentrations of important chemical species from things like biological function, sequestration, or other natural phenomena. These factors mean the flask model only applies at the boundary layer, a hypothetical infinitely thin slice that represents the boundary between the oceans and the atmosphere.

Phytoplankton will consume oceanic CO2 for photosynthesis. Other microscopic organisms will produce different compounds resulting from various metabolic pathways. Many of which can influence pH, such as ammonia, acetic acid, urea and uric acid or even CO2. Larger organisms such as fish are well known to produce ammonia which is exchanged through the gills.  Microorganisms and their various proteins, fall to the bottom of the ocean as they die. Permanently sequestering some of the CO2 in various proteins and tissues.

Two recent papers were published on OA and the change of pH.  The most recent published paper from December found

“[the] observed annual variability (~0.3 units) and diurnal variability (~0.1 units) in coastal ocean acidity are both similar in magnitude to long-term global ocean projections (~0.2 units) associated with increasing atmospheric CO”1.

This corresponds well with a paper published in 2011 from Scripps that found that even in the generally stable open ocean where pH tracks well with the CO2 hypothesis

“Our observations confirm an annual mean variability in pH at CCE-1 of nearly 0.1, suggest an inter-annual variability of ~0.02 pH, and capture episodic change” and even went further in their abstract stating “The effect of Ocean Acidification (OA) on marine biota is quasi-predictable at best”2.

A third paper Found much the same

“It is important to place these [OA] changes within the context of pH in the present-day ocean, which is not constant; it varies systematically with season, depth and along productivity gradients. Yet this natural variability in pH has rarely been considered in assessments of the effect of ocean acidification on marine microbes.”3

And my personal favorite quote:

“Therefore, an appropriate null hypothesis may be, until evidence is obtained to the contrary, that major biogeochemical processes in the oceans other than calcification will not be fundamentally different under future higher CO2/lower pH conditions“3

Thus while the model depicting OA as a function of CO2 may be relatively accurate, in some sites the interannual variability exceeds predicted changes and most impact studies seem to neglect this. To be clear dramatic variability of the carbonate system endorses the OA theory and its purported negative impacts.

There is however one more issue with the OA hypothesis, and it stems from the same equilibrium equations used for its validation. Up until this point we have proceeded with the assumption that atmospheric CO2 concentration is causing the changes in hydrogen ion concentration. However natural biological, geological, and chemical sources induce a far greater change in hydrogen ion concentration or pH on inter-annual timescales. An increase in hydrogen ion concentration, assuming a large enough carbonate source, will produce an increased equilibrium value for atmospheric CO2.

Thus any factor which increases the mean of biological activity, will necessarily increase the mean of CO2 in the atmosphere. Any increase in mean CO2, through this mechanism, will result in a relative decrease of radiocarbon (C14) in the atmosphere due to the marine reservoir effect. A mean change in biological activity can be brought about through increases in total solar irradiance, global mean temperature increases, or other unknown factors

Not only is it almost impossible to determine the true effect of anthropogenic emissions on OA, it becomes very difficult to separate anthropogenic carbon sources from oceanic ones in regards to the isotopic concentration in the atmosphere. Without good data on this variance the calculations for global carbon balances may be biased. The same conclusion was found in this 2013 paper

“we detected a mean difference between the boundary layer and 5 m pCO2 of 13 ± 1 µatm. Temperature gradients accounted for only 11% of this pCO2 gradient in the top meters of the ocean; thus, pointing to a heterogeneous biological activity underneath the air-sea boundary layer as the main factor controlling the top meters pCO2 variability. Observations of pCO2 just beneath the air-sea boundary layer should be further investigated in order to estimate possible biases in calculating global air-sea CO2 fluxes.”4

This is not to say such factors invalidate the theory of OA or anthropogenic emissions, it simply means that they have not been investigated sufficiently to rule them out.

3. What about demonstrable harm?

One of the other criticisms found in the rebuttal related to my statements regarding demonstration of harm. Specifically I stated that if they want to claim there is some sort of harm imposed by OA they need to perform an experiment, and they hadn’t. In the rebuttal there is a list of experiments theoretically showing harm as the result of increased CO2.  I highly recommend reviewing them if you get a chance.

I clearly should have clarified my statement. It’s not that no experiment regarding CO2 and OA had been performed, I had already gone through the abstracts of most of his citations, I took issue with their validity.  I already addressed in the previous section inherent ecological variability, but there are far more problems with this series of studies than simple ecological variance.

First within a water column there is a pH variance and pH sensitive organisms such as Ophiothrix Fragilis choose to live within their pH optimum. From Dupont et al

During the period of May to September, the pH in gullmars fjord decreases with depth (ranging from 8.33 and 7.97), but never falls below 8.03 in the upper 30m where ophiothrix fragilis larvae are concentrated”

In this case they tested conditions at a pH of 8.1, 7.9 and 7.7 assuming a delta pH of -.2 and -.4. From their quote regarding the natural habitat of the species, again ignoring ecological variability, the lowest value they should have been testing is a pH of about 7.93.You cannot forcibly change the pH in a controlled system with a sensitive organism and claim significant results when the natural environment has variability that exceeds the control parameters for the experiment.

Secondly in almost all cases the studies evaluated the organisms over a very short time span, typically 6-8 weeks. This is not the same as evaluating a stable colony, nor is it akin to studying the adaptability of a species to a change in conditions. For calcifiers the ability to regulate pH at the site of calcification is important to their ability to calcify. The time to ramp up synthesis of required compounds to maintain a high pH at calcification sites may exceed the period of study.  While calcification rates may decrease this is not the same as shell dissolution as was alluded to in the NOAA video.

A study evaluating the ability of 18 different organisms to calcify under varying pCO2 conditions found that in 10 cases, when the solution was under saturated with aragonite calcification rates dropped. For 7 of the species calcification rates actually increased with moderate pCO2 and for 3 of the 7 they received the highest calcification rate at a pCO2 reflecting 2856ppm. The study concluded

“whatever the specific mechanisms involved, our results suggest that the impact of pCO2 on marine calcification is more varied than previously thought”6

Simply put you cannot take a system which neglects: temporal, generational, ecological and habitat based variables and apply those results, no matter how significant, to a system which does experience these effects. Like I mentioned before, there have been no studies performed which demonstrate harm from OA.

Furthermore this ignores the fact that calcifiers originally evolved under very high pCO2 >6000ppm conditions. In the rebuttal this point was conceded with a response that adaptation and evolution to such rapidly changing conditions is not possible.  While I could not find the referenced work. I would contend that it is factually incorrect. While the time necessary for the evolution of an entirely new species would likely exceed the period of time over which OA is going to occur, a response to the changing chemistry, which marine calcifiers already have to handle yearly variation is not unlikely.

It is certainly not unprecedented. The finches of the Galapagos have been shown to alter beak sizing as a response to drought or competition.

“From 1972 to 2001,Geospiza Fortis (medium ground finch) and Geospiza Scandens (cactus finch) changed several times in body size and two beak traits. Natural selection occurred frequently in both species and varied from unidirectional to oscillating, episodic to gradual. Hybridization occurred repeatedly though rarely, resulting in elevated phenotypic variances in G. Scandens and a change in beak shape.”7

We also learned of the effect of cars on a species of swallow in southwestern Nebraska, influencing the length of their wings in less than 30 years8. There is of course the incidence of the bacteria, discovered in 1975 evolving a unique enzyme to digest nylon, which wasn’t invented until 1935. There is even evidence of fish size, change and reproductive maturity varying as a result of our fishing regulations.

Frankly neither the pH range nor the time frame for OA seems to be outside natural variation. There is also ample evidence that more significant physiological changes can happen in shorter time frames. At the end of the day, before we get all hot and bothered by OA we need to sit back and acknowledge that the species in contention not only show a wider reaction range than is commonly presented, but that whatever their method for calcification is, they simply need to increase the metabolic rates, or the mean metabolic rate of the species through natural selection, to adapt to changing oceanic conditions.

4. Clearly There Must be Some Amazing Data Supporting the Hypothesis.

In the first essay I mentioned several points of contentions with the OA hypothesis. I have addressed my core mistakes and gone into the details and quibbles I have with the rebuttal. But there was one point I made in the original essay which was never touched on in the rebuttal. There is almost no data backing up the OA hypothesis.

As a refresher course on the history of pH; it was conceived of originally in 1909.  It was later revised in 1924 to accommodate measurement by electrochemical cells. It wasn’t until 1936 that the first commercial pH meters were available.  In the 1970’s the first portable pH meter was released. So if all of the major development in pH meters occurred in the 1900’s and the concept of pH wasn’t even thought up until 1909 how do we get the following graphic

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From Wikipedia :Estimated change in sea water pH caused by human created CO2 between the 1700s and the 1990s, from the Global Ocean Data Analysis Project (GLODAP) and the World Ocean Atlas

An engineer showed me that graphic during a debate over the summer regarding CO2 and OA.  I love it, it’s a beautiful graphic, and it is entirely farcical. Luckily the tag on Wikipedia mentions that it is the estimated sea change. Unfortunately most people don’t understand the difference between a calculated value and a measured one as demonstrated by the first table on the Wikipedia page for ocean acidification. Note the field result stated next to pre-industrial levels, luckily this has been amended to reflect this is not in the citation given.

To really understand how strong of an argument there is for OA we have to look at the data. The very first worldwide composite of pH data for the oceans came from the GLODAP project. The goal was to establish a climatology for the world’s oceans.  This is not an easy endeavor and I do respect the attempt but the result is frankly untrustworthy.  While it did define an oceanic pH value in the 1990’s it did so with some gaping holes in its analysis.

Wikipedia describes some of the missing areas as the arctic ocean, the Caribbean sea, the Mediterranean sea and maritime southeast Asia.  However on their own website they state

“Anthropogenic CO2 was estimated for the Indian (Sabine et al. 1999), Pacific (Sabine et al. 2002), and Atlantic (Lee et al. 2003) basins individually as the data were synthesized.”

More specifically the entire purpose of the analysis was to estimate the amount of stored anthropogenic carbon. They estimate the uncertainty on this value to be 16% of the total inventory.

With a large part of the ocean completely unsampled, and certainly lacking regular pH measurement effort, what other data is available then? The short answer is none. Unfortunately pH measurements and instrumentation require constant calibration which is not easily performed in long autonomous measurements.  The 2009 document from the scientific committee on oceanic research states

“If one is to get a detailed picture of ocean acid base chemistry, they need to be measured precisely with a low uncertainty, but to date such low uncertainties have not been demonstrated for oceanic pH measurements”9

The core of my skepticism in AGW and more specifically the catastrophic elements is always questionable data. This is no different for ocean acidification and the purported claims.

5. Conclusions

After finishing my research and corrections, I was certainly able to corroborate the numerical consensus regarding pH changes as a function of CO2 concentration.  However the correction did little to curb my skepticism of an anthropogenic ocean acidification hypothesis and the purported harms. There are simply too many false assumptions required for the idea to play out through its mathematical model.

The same problems arise between small and large ballistics modeling.  For lower speeds and shorter distances it is easy to neglect air resistance and get an approximate answer. But for longer distances or higher velocities we end up having to take into account air resistance. The current approach to modeling OA and organism adaptability is akin to trying to understand flight while neglecting lift and concluding it is impossible.

There is direct contrarian evidence to the idea that marine pH is dependent on CO2. pH changes regularly in the ocean, to a greater magnitude than the anticipated effect of CO2 and in a shorter period of time. The ability of an organism to adapt to changing conditions is a huge variable between species, and the ability to adapt over a period of time has not been studied.

Beyond these factors there simply has not been a solid organized long term study of oceanic pH to validate any of the claims. As is frequent in climate science we see gorgeous model visualizations rather than actual data, and we see claims rather than facts.

Outside of these significant factors there is another aspect of OA which frankly needs more research. The fact that pH changes in response to biological activity, begs the question whether humankind is fully to blame for the increase in atmospheric CO2. Any factor that increases the activity of marine life, must necessarily increase the rate of flux of marine CO2 into the atmosphere.

References

1. “Dramatic Variability of the Carbonate System at a Temperate Coastal Ocean Site (Beaufort, North Carolina) is Regulated by Physical and Biogeochemical Processes on Multiple Timescales,” by Zackary I. Johnson, Benjamin J. Wheeler, Sara K. Blinebry, Christina M. Carlson, Christopher S. Ward, Dana E. Hunt. PLOS ONE, Dec. 17, 2013. DOI:10.1371/journal.pone.0085117

2.Hofmann GE, Smith JE, Johnson KS, Send U, Levin LA, et al. (2011) High-Frequency Dynamics of Ocean pH: A Multi-Ecosystem Comparison. PLoS ONE 6(12): e28983. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0028983

3. Joint, Ian, Scott C. Doney, and David M. Karl. “Will Ocean Acidification Affect Marine Microbes?” The ISME Journal (2010): n. pag. Print.

4. Calleja, Maria Ll., Carlos M. Duarte, Marta Álvarez, Raquel Vaquer-Sunyer, Susana Agustí, and Gerhard J. Hernd. “Prevalence of Strong Vertical CO2 and O2 Variability in the Top Meters of the Ocean.” Global Biogeochemical Cycles 27.3 (2013): 941-49. Print.

5. Dupont, S., J. Havenhand, W. Thorndyke, L. Peck, and M. Thorndyke. “Near-future Level of CO2-driven Ocean Acidification Radically Affects Larval Survival and Development in the Brittlestar Ophiothrix Fragilis.” Marine Ecology Progress Series 373 (2008): 285-94. Print.

6. Ries, J. B., A. L. Cohen, and D. C. McCorkle. “Marine Calcifiers Exhibit Mixed Responses to CO2-induced Ocean Acidification.” Geology 37.12 (2009): 1131-134. Print.

7.Grant, Peter R., and Rosemary Grant. “Unpredictable Evolution in a 30-Year Study of Darwin’s Finches.” Science 296.5568 (2002): 707-11. Print.

8. Brown, Charles R., and Mary B. Brown. “Where Has All The Roadkill Gone.” Current Biology 23.6 (2013): 233-34. Print.

9.  Report of Ocean Acidification and Oxygen Working Group. Scientific Committee on Oceanic Research, 2009. Web. 24 Jan. 2014. http://www.scor-int.org/OBO2009/A&O_Report.pdf

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Laws of Nature
April 28, 2014 7:03 pm

Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
April 28, 2014 at 3:12 pm
“The mass balance doesn’t work for local events, simply because one doesn’t know all local inputs and outputs. But for a global mass balance, one doesn’t need that:[..]
And sorry, but Essenhigh confused residence time (which is ~5 years) with the removal rate of an excess amount of CO2 in the atmosphere (which needs ~50 years e-fold time)…”
Well, now we agree on the local event where the mass balance fails, because the fluxes are not known precisely enough! Time to address my first comment here:
Laws of Nature says: April 27, 2014 at 12:17 pm
“As for the mass balance argument..
Well now that we are talking about a rather small part of the oceans (the upper 1% or less) and it is in contact with much larger reservoirs (water circulation, near shore sediments and organic CO2 deposition for example), we can only observe that the coupling constants are not kwon with sufficient precission!”
So, I guess we can agree that IF the fluxes on a global scale WERE not known with sufficient precission your statement WOULD have to be expanded over all arguments, this is exactly what Essenhigh shows:
Beside the fact that anthropogenic influx into the ocean surface water is bigger that the “outgasing” at any given time, this reservoir could still be controlled and dominated by deep sea influx. Naming issues do NOT make this clear result go away.
Think of the pee in a snow hill (sorry for the graphic image), if this clearly identifiable anthropogenic influx leads to additional frozen water or a local meltdown depends on other conditions and influxes.

Bart
April 29, 2014 8:41 am

Laws of Nature says:
April 28, 2014 at 7:03 pm
“Well now that we are talking about a rather small part of the oceans…”
Indeed, that is the flaw in the so-called “mass balance” argument. It’s a shell game. They assume a closed system, but then eliminate unknown portions of the system from consideration. You are supposed to ignore that, that prestidigitation reduces the problem to an open subsystem, and a mass balance argument no longer applies.

Latitude
April 29, 2014 8:55 am

Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
April 28, 2014 at 4:23 pm
But there is little change in CH4 levels in the atmosphere over the past decade, thus little change in production of methane…
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A surprising recent rise in atmospheric methane……….
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/29/the-best-argument-yet-for-draining-wetlands/#more-108361
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oh well…………

Samuel C Cogar
April 29, 2014 11:26 am

Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
April 28, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Samuel, please, the seasonal swings are around the trend, the trend itself may be up, down or flat, that has nothing to do with the seasonal swings…
The seasonal swings at Mauna Loa are +/- 3 ppmv, while the trend is only 2 ppmv/year,

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Ferdinand, are you trying to bedazzle me with your above tripe and piffle ….. or what? I could care less about your “swings” and ”trends” because I am not a proponent of “junk science” crapolla. I am fully aware of what the cited Mona Loa data signifies …. so address my argument and cease with your obfuscations.
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And for the timing: it takes some time for the CO2 peak to reach the 3,400 m height of Mauna Loa:
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Really now, Ferdinand, and just how long does it take for the maximum emissions of surface emitted CO2 to reach the 3,400 m height of Mauna Loa? And is that the same amount of time that it takes before the minimum emissions of surface emitted CO2 is detected at the 3,400 m height of Mauna Loa?
And so what, biomass growth starts in the lower latitudes like two (2) months before the Sun crosses the Equator on March 20/21 at the Vernal Equinox. And biomass growth stops in the northern latitudes like two (2) months before the Sun re-crosses the Equator on September 22/23 at the Autumnal Equinox.
But none of the above explains the steady and consistent 56 consecutive years of the bi-yearly cycling of CO2 as defined by the Keeling Curve Graph simply because of the non-predictable surface conditions during the spring and fall of each year.
IF, … there has been a CO2 caused INCREASE in global average temperatures over the past 60 years ….. that has subsequently caused a DECREASE in the length of the winter season (Nov thru March) …. then the aforesaid combined INCREASE/DECREASE should be reflected in/by an INCREASE in the average ppm amount of bi-yearly cycling of CO2 and/or an INCREASE in the length of the decreasing CO2 cycle…. simply because if the winter season decreases then the biomass growing and decaying season increases.
And if there has been such a change in the bi-yearly cycle then it can not be attributed to “human caused” …… because humanity doesn’t do anything “steadily and consistently” on a bi-yearly cycle for 56 consecutive years. And “fuzzily” calculated mathematics is not going to prove otherwise ……. whereas statistics will, to wit:
Increases in World Population & Atmospheric CO2 by Decade
year — world popul. – % incr. — Dec CO2 ppm – % incr. — avg increase/year
1940 – 2,300,000,000 est. ___ ____ 300 ppm
1950 – 2,556,000,053 – 11.1% ____ 310 ppm – 3.1% —— 1.0 ppm/year
1960 – 3,039,451,023 – 18.9% ____ 316 ppm – 3.2% —— 0.6 ppm/year
1970 – 3,706,618,163 – 21.9% ____ 325 ppm – 2.7% —— 0.9 ppm/year
1980 – 4,453,831,714 – 20.1% ____ 338 ppm – 3.8% —– 1.3 ppm/year
1990 – 5,278,639,789 – 18.5% ____ 354 ppm – 4.5% —– 1.6 ppm/year
2000 – 6,082,966,429 – 15.2% ____ 369 ppm – 4.3% —– 1.5 ppm/year
2010 – 6,809,972,000 – 11.9% ____ 389 ppm – 5.1% —– 2.0 ppm/year
2012 – 7,057,075,000 – 3.62% ____ 394 ppm – 1.3% —– 2.5 ppm/year per 2 years
Source CO2 ppm: ftp://aftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/products/trends/co2/co2_mm_mlo.txt
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But in general, the exact timing of the CO2 peak and 13C/12C ratio minimum is a matter of equilibrium between CO2 uptake by vegetation and release of CO2 from soil bacteria etc. Plus a shift in peak timing due to the continuous release of 13C depleted CO2 by humans.
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YADA, … YADA, … YADA, ….. you are obfuscating again. I talk science, …. not associations, correlations, estimations, insinuations, guesstimations, etc.

Samuel C Cogar
April 29, 2014 11:53 am

But there is little change in CH4 levels in the atmosphere over the past decade, thus little change in production of methane…
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HA, …. they have been “punching” new holes in the ground over the past 15+ years like they are going out of style. And the “No Smoking” rules anywhere near the “wellhead” is not because of the Anti-tobacco crowd’s demands.
I once watched as they released the pressure on a newly drilled “wellhead”…… and it “SCREAMED” so loud for like 15 to 18 minutes that one couldn’t hear themselves think …. and that was standing bout 100 yards away from it.

April 29, 2014 3:27 pm

Laws of Nature says:
April 28, 2014 at 7:03 pm
Beside the fact that anthropogenic influx into the ocean surface water is bigger that the “outgasing” at any given time, this reservoir could still be controlled and dominated by deep sea influx.
There are several indications that the deep oceans – ocean surface exchanges are very limited: the density of the deeper layers is higher than at most of the surface, ocean currents which mix deep ocean waters and surface waters are very limited (polar sinks and coastal upwelling). Migration of CO2 between the mixed layer and the deeper oceans is very limited as diffusion of CO2 in (sea)water is extremely slow. Only biolife gives a dropout of ~6 GtC/year of organic and inorganic carbon into the deep.
One example: the surface waters follow the drop in 13C/12C ratio of the atmosphere within 2-3 years, while there is no measurable change in the deep oceans, except at the downwelling places.
My own estimate of the atmosphere – deep ocean CO2 exchanges was ~40 GtC/year, based on the “thinning” of the human “fingerprint” of fossil fuel burning. That is confirmed by the decrease in 14C/12C ratio from the 1950’s nuclear test spike.
The simple global mass balance thus is:
increase in the atmosphere = human emissions + natural input – natural output
or
4.5 GtC/year = 9 GtC/year(human) + 50 GtC/year (ocean surface) + 40 GtC/year (deep oceans) + 60 GtC/year (biosphere) – 50.5 GtC/year (ocean surface) – 43 GtC/year (deep oceans) – 61 GtC/year (biosphere).
These figures are based on:
– The 60 GtC in and out of biosphere exchanges are based on seasonal O2 and δ13C changes. The 1 GtC/year net uptake is based on the O2 balance and trend.
– The 50 GtC in and out of the ocean surface is based on total CO2 changes over the seasons minus the changes attributed to the biosphere. The 0.5 GtC/year extra uptake in the ocean surface is based on the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere and the Revelle/buffer factor for seawater.
– The 40 GtC in and out of the deep oceans is based on δ13C and δ14C changes. The difference of 3 GtC/year is the residual in mass balance (confirmed by “human fingerprints” at downwelling places).
Does it matter if the in/out fluxes are overestimated or underestimated? Not at all. Even if the seasonal in/outflux of the biosphere was 120 GtC/season i.s.o. 60 GtC/season, That doesn’t change the balance: still 1 GtC/year extra is absorbed in the biopshere as net result.
Does it matter if the in/out fluxes change year by year? Hardly, the measured variability in sink rate is only +/- 2 GtC around the trend over the years.
Does it matter if the in/out fluxes increased over time, as Bart alleges? That may matter, but only if the sinks are extremely fast expanding together with the increase in natural supply and the natural supply/circulation increased in lockstep with human emissions. But there is not the slightest sign that the natural circulation increased over time, to the contrary it slightly decreased…

April 29, 2014 3:46 pm

Latitude says:
April 29, 2014 at 8:55 am
CH4 levels in the previous interglacial (the “Eemian”), were 700 ppbv. Temperatures in Alaska and Siberia 5-10°C higher than today, all permafrost melted and trees were growing up to the Arctic Ocean…
We are currently at 1830 ppbv (see the carbon tracker at http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/dv/iadv/ for methane at Mauna Loa). It is easy to blame humans for the difference: one can see the curve in the Law Dome ice cores:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/law_dome_ch4.jpg
Strange, a similar HS shape for CH4 as for CO2? Did the swamps suddenly release more CO2 since 1850? And why not in the warm(er) MWP?

April 29, 2014 4:27 pm

Samuel C Cogar says:
April 29, 2014 at 11:26 am
Ferdinand, are you trying to bedazzle me
All I wanted to say is that the trend and the seasonal variation have different causes and different effects, which in this case are additive: because the CO2 trend is positive, the seasonal trend in the data will shift somewhat and the upgoing flank of the seasonal cycle will seem to be steeper than the downgoing one. I just tried to separate the seasonal effect from the trend…
Really now, Ferdinand, and just how long does it take for the maximum emissions of surface emitted CO2 to reach the 3,400 m height of Mauna Loa? And is that the same amount of time that it takes before the minimum emissions of surface emitted CO2 is detected at the 3,400 m height of Mauna Loa?
Here an already old (1960’s!) estimate of the shift in seasonal timing with height:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/seasonal_height.jpg
But none of the above explains the steady and consistent 56 consecutive years of the bi-yearly cycling of CO2
If you look into the graphs over a few years in detail, you will see that the seasonal cycle is not that steady for each year. In some years (1992 Pinatubo) the sinks dominate such that the residual CO2 increase in the atmosphere is very low. In other years (1998 El Niño) near all emissions remain in the atmosphere. Here a plot of 3 seasons, measured at 4 different stations:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/month_2002_2004_4s.jpg
There may be a shift in seasonality and amplitude over the full 50+ years period of Mauna Loa, at least I have heard of an increase in seasonal amplitude, but I have no reference. But please go ahead with the calculations: the carbon tracker ( http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/dv/iadv/ ) gives you all the available data you want for all stations, including the 13C/12C ratio which shows the shift between uptake and release of CO2 by the biosphere…
And if there has been such a change in the bi-yearly cycle then it can not be attributed to “human caused”
As far as I know, I never said that humans do influence the seasonal cycle, all what they do is that their emissions cause the upgoing trend where the seasonal cycle lingers around. There may be a small indirect influence from a little warming caused by the extra human induced CO2, but in my opinion that is dwarfed by the natural variations…

Laws of Nature
April 29, 2014 6:03 pm

Ferdinand Engelbeen says some interesting stuff at: April 29, 2014 at 3:27 pm
a- deep oceans – ocean surface exchanges are very limited
My own estimate of the atmosphere – deep ocean CO2 exchanges was ~40 GtC/year, based on the “thinning” of the human “fingerprint” of fossil fuel burning. That is confirmed by the decrease in 14C/12C ratio from the 1950′s nuclear test spike.
b- The simple global mass balance thus is:
c- Does it matter if the in/out fluxes increased over time, as Bart alleges? That may matter, but only if the sinks are extremely fast
Well your numbers used in a and b seem to be different than the “official” numbers:
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/pix/research/climate_ecosystems/AnthropogenicCarbonCycleBox2.png
c- I dont think Bart necessarily implies that the anthropogenic increase drives any change in the deep ocean fluxes, just a change in time would be enough.
The little ice age is over isnt it, that must affect the ocean currents as a change in temperature without any doubt changes the viscosity of the water among other parameters.
And last not least, since none of your argument is really new, I can only repeat my critique on it until you are willing to address it:
So, I guess we can agree that IF the fluxes on a global scale WERE not known with sufficient precision your statement WOULD have to be expanded over all [oceans].
Your numbers are wildly different from the NOAA ones, their numbers are changing over the years.. that simply does not inspire confidence.. care to put uncertainty ranges to your numbers.. (especially when dealing with numbers from the 19th century as in the NOAA diagram)

April 30, 2014 1:47 am

Laws of Nature says:
April 29, 2014 at 6:03 pm
A few remarks about the new(er) NOAA diagram:
The ~120 GtC in and out of vegetation in general is split into 60 GtC in and out between (nightly) respiration and (daily) uptake during the growing season and isn’t reaching the bulk of the atmosphere. The other 60 GtC in and out is reaching the bulk of the atmosphere and can be measured in the 13C/12C change over the seasons in the bulk of the atmosphere like at Mauna Loa.
The 40 GtC deep ocean – atmosphere exchange is the final result of the total deep ocean – ocean surface – atmosphere exchanges, in the NOAA diagram shown as going via the surface layer. But most of the change between atmosphere and deep oceans is simply bypassing the bulk (~90%) of the mixed layer via direct sinks and upwelling (~5% of the ocean surface each way).
The 22.2 GtC out / 20 GtC in between atmosphere and ocean surface due to human influences doesn’t make sense, as human emissions or the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere doesn’t affect the carbon cycle in the oceans: there is abundant CO2 in the ocean surface, that is not a limiting factor for growth. I don’t see if and why the ~90 GtC cycle changed over time, except if they attribute all warming of the ocean’s surface to humans and the warming changed the ocean’s biocycle, but I have no figures for the influence of temperature on the ocean carbon cycle. Anyway, a 25% change in carbon cycle for an average change of less than 1 K in ocean temperature seems way out of reality.
I dont think Bart necessarily implies that the anthropogenic increase drives any change in the deep ocean fluxes
The theory of Bart is that a natural increase in carbon cycle drives the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere. That is only possible if there is a huge increase in input from the oceans or vegetation (all other sources too small or too slow) and the sinks are very fast reacting on the increase in input. Only in that case, human emissions will be dwarfed by the natural carbon cycle. The biosphere can be excluded, as there is very little change in the seasonal 13C/12C amplitude, but the oceans can be an expanding source if the deep ocean upwelling increased over time either in amount or concentration or both. But as said before, there is not the slightest sign that the natural carbon cycle increased in throughput and any substantial release from the oceans would increase the 13C/12C ratio in the atmosphere, while we see a firm drop…
care to put uncertainty ranges to your numbers
No problem with that. Year by year variability of fluxes and balances:
– Any individual CO2 flux: -50 to +100%.
– Overall balance of the biosphere: +/- 5%, based on changes of the 13C/12C ratio and the oxygen balance with temperature.
– Overall balance of the oceans: +/- 3%, based on changes in pCO2 difference at the upwelling places. Downwelling places are less affected as the area of downwelling changes with temperature. The ocean’s mixed layer has a huge effect on the seasonal cycle, but a small effect on residual changes.
– Overall balance in total: +/- 1.5%, based on the measured variability of the rate of change in the atmosphere:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/dco2_em2.jpg
All what counts is the overall mass balance: even if every individual flux in any year changed -50 to +100% compared to the previous year. Only the overall balance is what gives a change of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Temperature is the main driver for the year by year variability, but even so, the variability is very small compared to the huge in and out fluxes involved. Anyway, temperature is not the cause of the bulk of the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere…

Laws of Nature
April 30, 2014 2:58 am

Dear Dr. Engelbeen,
I have to admit that I cannot follow, how you get to the “The 40 GtC deep ocean – atmosphere exchange” from the NOAA numbers.
As for your uncertainties, they are huge for the individual fluxes, but small for the sums, which seems mathematically wrong to me!
However the important question here would be, how much of an undetected trend in the up/downwelling CO2 from the deep oceans is possible.. Your 3% seems low for these fluxes, as in increase of 3% in the mixed layer would give about 3% less up and 3%more downwelling CO2 without any room for other fluctuations.
” any substantial release from the oceans would increase the 13C/12C ratio in the atmosphere, while we see a firm drop…” is an incorrect statement, if the upwelling takes place on a planet with an anthropogenic source, just like Essenhigh showed years ago. Please read his, mine and Bart’s arguments on this and take them into account (and stop iterating this wrong statements).
I think you post ideology based house numbers which are not very reliable.
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
April 30, 2014 at 1:47 am
“[..]Temperature is the main driver for the year by year variability, but even so, the variability is very small compared to the huge in and out fluxes involved.”
What about ocean currents? Or vulcanic or bacterial activity? Algae bloom?

April 30, 2014 5:22 am

Laws of Nature says:
April 30, 2014 at 2:58 am
The 40 GtC deep ocean – atmosphere exchange
The NOAA graph only shows a 90 GtC in/out flux between atmosphere and ocean surface and the exchange with the deep oceans is indirectly via the surface. In reality, the exchange atmosphere – deep oceans is quite direct and largely bypasses the global surface layer. The 40 GtC in/out is based on the thinning of the δ13C and δ14C levels, as what goes into the deep oceans is the current isotopic composition, but what comes out is the composition of ~1000 years ago and influenced by the composition of the huge deep oceans reservoir.
(BTW, no “Dr.”, have a B.Sc. in process chemistry, but specialised in chemical process automation).
As for your uncertainties, they are huge for the individual fluxes, but small for the sums
If one looks at the CO2 levels in a small area over land, that may show very large changes over one day, depending of wind and inversion. See e.g. a few days at Giessen, Germany, semi-rural, compared to the raw hourly data at Mauna Loa and the South Pole for the same days:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/giessen_background.jpg
The local change in flux over a day (and over the seasons) is enormous, but hardly influences the global CO2 levels when all individual fluxes are summed up and mixed into the bulk of the atmosphere.
Your 3% seems low for these fluxes, as in increase of 3% in the mixed layer would give about 3% less up and 3%more downwelling CO2 without any room for other fluctuations.
You need to make a differentiation between quantities, exchanges and net changes… If the CO2 level in the atmosphere changes with 30%, the outflux to the mixed layer will increase and the influx from the mixed layer will decrease because the pCO2 difference increases between the atmosphere and the mixed layer. That goes on until the pCO2 difference is zero (if ever). But that hardly influences the seasonal fluxes, as these are temperature dependent and only partially pressure (difference) dependent. Thus the temperature influence is largely independent of the CO2 levels in the different reservoirs while the net change over a full year is both pressure and temperature dependent. The temperature trend meanwhile over the past 160 years is very modest. Most of the temperature variation levels out over a few years.
is an incorrect statement, if the upwelling takes place on a planet with an anthropogenic source
Yes and no: There are only a few possibilities:
The measured 13C/12C ratio is about 1/3rd of what can be expected if all human emissions would stay in the atmosphere. That means that either 2/3rd of the low-13CO2 is exchanged with high-13CO2 from the oceans without influencing the total amount in the atmosphere or the high-13CO2 from the oceans is additional.
Humans add ~9 GtC/year low-13CO2 to the atmosphere. To compensate the 13C/12C ratio to what is measured, one need ~40 GtC high-13CO2 from the oceans:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/deep_ocean_air_zero.jpg
As the biosphere sinks some 1 GtC/year and the mixed layer sinks some 0.5 GtC/year and the increase in the atmosphere is around 4.5 GtC/year, the deep oceans (there are no other known fast sinks) should eat some 3 GtC/year away. Thus there is simply no room for any residual extra CO2 from the deep oceans. The thinning of the 13C/12C ratio thus is simple replacement and not addition.
If Bart was right with his extra carbon circulation from the deep oceans, that MUST mimic the human emissions, because the sinks don’t make a differentiation between natural and human CO2 (except a very small one for the difference in isotopes). That means that the near tripling in human emissions and near tripling of sink speed over the period 1960-current should be caused by a near tripling in natural input/circulation. But as the biosphere and the mixed layer don’t add to that, only the deep oceans must have increased their throughput from ~40 GtC/year to ~290 GtC/year. The result of that increase on the 13C/12C ratio is the orange trend here:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/deep_ocean_air_increase_290.jpg
Which shows that the observed deep ocean throughput is rather constant and didn’t increase over the past 50 years. Neither is that the case for the 14C/12C bomb spike curve…
What about ocean currents?
Ocean currents like El Niño/ENSO are the main drivers of temperature variations and algal blooms. But these are included in the year-by-year variability, which is quite modest. Volcanic activity has little impact on CO2 levels: even de Pinatubo caused a (temperature related) dip in CO2 increase rate, not a spike…

Samuel C Cogar
April 30, 2014 8:39 am

Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
April 29, 2014 at 4:27 pm
If you look into the (CO2) graphs over a few years in detail, you will see that the seasonal cycle is not that steady for each year. In some years (1992 Pinatubo) the sinks dominate such that the residual CO2 increase in the atmosphere is very low. In other years (1998 El Niño) near all emissions remain in the atmosphere.
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Ferdinand, me thinks you have picked out two (2) data “points”, (1992 Pinatubo & 1998 El Niño) and then assumed a direct relationship between them and the decrease/increase in atmospheric CO2 ppm relative to near surface air temperatures and atmosphe particulate in the 1st case …… and near surface air temperatures and increased ocean temperatures in the 2nd case.
Now there might be a “correlation” therein between surface temperatures but I wouldn’t have a clue what it was because it does not remain consistent over a 34 year time frame (1979-2013). So, it is of my learned opinion that there is another factor that is the “primary” driver of the CO2 ppm increases …. and that the atmospheric conditions (temperature/particulate) are “iffy” factors that may or may not be relevant.
Ferdinand, to resolve my suspicions on this matter …. I uploaded a copy of this temperature graph, to wit:
1979-2013 UAH satellite global lower atmosphere temperatures
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_May_2013_v5.5.png
And then I extracted this ppm data from, to wit:
ftp://aftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/products/trends/co2/co2_mm_mlo.txt
Maximum yearly ppm data
year month CO2 ppm
1979 6 1979.458 339.20
1980 5 1980.375 341.47
1981 5 1981.375 343.01
1982 5 1982.375 344.67
1983 5 1983.375 345.96
1984 5 1984.375 347.55
1985 5 1985.375 348.92
1986 5 1986.375 350.53
1987 5 1987.375 352.14
1988 5 1988.375 354.18
1989 5 1989.375 355.89
1990 5 1990.375 357.29
1991 5 1991.375 359.09
1992 5 1992.375 359.55 Pinatubo
1993 5 1993.375 360.19
1994 5 1994.375 361.68
1995 5 1995.375 363.77
1996 5 1996.375 365.16
1997 5 1997.375 366.69
1998 5 1998.375 369.49 El Niño
1999 4 1999.292 370.96
2000 4 2000.292 371.82
2001 5 2001.375 373.82
2002 5 2002.375 375.65
2003 5 2003.375 378.50
2004 5 2004.375 380.63
2005 5 2005.375 382.47
2006 5 2006.375 384.98
2007 5 2007.375 386.58
2008 5 2008.375 388.50
2009 5 2009.375 390.19
2010 5 2010.375 393.04
2011 5 2011.375 394.21
2012 5 2012.375 396.78
2013 5 2013.375 399.76
And then I plotted the above ppm data on the above cited graph and the results was uploaded to this site, to wit:
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af315/SamC_40/1979-2013UAHsatelliteglobalaveragetemperatures.png
So, please tell me, Ferdinand, based on the above plotted graph, ….. what is the primary “driver” of atmospheric CO2 ppm? Surely not near-surface atmospheric temperatures.

April 30, 2014 11:49 am

Samuel C Cogar says:
April 30, 2014 at 8:39 am
Now there might be a “correlation” therein between surface temperatures
The correlation is between the temperature changes and the CO2 changes. Not with the trend. See Wood for Trees, where the CO2 changes lag the temperature changes. But that is only for the variability around the trend.
The trend itself is almost completely caused by humans:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/temp_emiss_increase.jpg
and
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/acc_co2_1900_cur.jpg

Samuel C Cogar
May 1, 2014 6:08 am

Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
April 30, 2014 at 11:49 am
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Let’s see now, Ferdinand, in response to my question you are claiming …. correlations, changes, trends and variability.
Why those thingys sound so scientifically that I could almost puke.
Ya got any more “words of wisdom” for me?
And I use to think I knew why the proponents of CAGW were winning the argument.

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