Guest essay by Steven Burnett
Back in July I wrote a piece that was published at Wattsupwiththat.com regarding the ocean acidification hypothesis (OA) and some of the issues I had with it. After reading the comments and more importantly reading a rebuttal I went through my equations sheet and found a few errors. Unfortunately life issues ate up a bunch of my time over the fall and winter. I have been lucky to have a break recently from tutoring and the onboarding process for one of the atomic laboratories is a bit slow so I had the time to finish this piece.
I tried to push this project out a few months ago, however some grammatical errors resulted in a request for corrections, and I decided to do an entire rewrite. I chose to delay the submission because of a somewhat disconcerting conclusion I came to after reworking the equations and adding some of the peer reviewed studies. The findings are contained in the second section of the essay, but the synopsis is there is no real way to determine if the increase in atmospheric CO2 is mostly anthropogenic. The same equilibrium relationship that drives the doom and gloom predictions of rising atmospheric CO2, works in reverse if the pH drops below the atmospheric equilibrium value.
This may be one of the strongest arguments against an industrial impact on atmospheric CO2 and for natural forces affecting atmospheric CO2.
It would offer a plausible mechanism between the rise in temperature and the subsequent rise in CO2, even accounting for the lag period as a process response. There are still a variety of calculations that need to be performed but it does offer a reasonable null hypothesis to the idea of anthropogenic emissions being the majority of factor in atmospheric CO2
1. My Mistakes
For large complex systems I typically use PTC’s MathCAD for its excellent ability to display equations in true math format, store variables and carry units. The GUI for this program is simply amazing. The original equation set that I used in the essay was generally correct, however it was developed to look at OA in response to a forum debate I was observing. Because I have yet to receive my big oil check (maybe it bounced), I developed the set as a back of the envelope calculation to evaluate, presented my results and let some of the engineers check my math. It turns out there were some errors they did not catch, so when I wrote this essay and reviewed the equation sheet, it was only a cursory glance, after all it had passed a “peer review”. Here’s what I found on a more thorough investigation.
I mentioned the EPA value for change on ocean temperature as 1.5-1.75 C when in fact it was Fahrenheit. I assumed that all reputable agencies worked with SI units but I was wrong. Truthfully henry’s law constant corrections are not particularly necessary until you approach temperature variances of about 10C. This value was only researched and correction included because I saw a sceptic trying to claim the change in the henry’s law coefficient was what was responsible for changes in atmospheric CO2 concentrations, this is simply false the thermal variance is too small to significantly impact the direction of CO2 flux.
The second issue I found was a complete user error. When entering the unit set I wanted for atmospheric pressure I was thinking in PSI, not sure why I just was, however in the equation I defined it as atmospheres. Thus the partial pressure of CO2 in my systems of equations was increased by a factor of about 15. When evaluating answers we have a general range of value we find acceptable. The multiplication factor produced a value of .001 for pH which was lower than expected but not so low as to automatically reject it. When the error was removed the calculated pH on my equation set fell to a change of about .0001 which is far too low to be reasonable.
So what happened? In short I took a shortcut which is mathematically invalid. Below are the four main equilibrium equations regarding an aqueous system of CO2.
The first equation is henry’s law which represents the equilibrium relationship between the partial pressure of CO2 and dissolved CO2 in water. The second equation describes the hydration equilibrium between dissolved CO2 and carbonic acid. The third equation describes the first dissociation constant of H2CO3 and bicarbonate. The last equation describes the relationship between carbonate and bicarbonate. They don’t look drastically different than the modified versions I was using in the original essay.
The fundamental difference lies in the concentration of hydrogen atoms which is not visible in my original set. I was focused on the relationship between how concentrations of the carbonic substance influence the concentrations of the others. So I removed the hydrogen Ion concentration and inferred it from the change in in concentration of the respective dissociated Ions. I inadvertently set the value of my equilibrium equations to a hydrogen ion concentration of 1. To speak more plainly I didn’t realize I was performing my calculations in a system with an assumed pH of 0. I apologize for my mistake.
The very heart of the issue, and the core of my skepticism with most climatological finger pointing is the lack of data. There are no preindustrial pH measurements (more on this later). Without pre-industrial pH or for that matter any one of the other chemical species we cannot easily determine the equilibrium concentrations of any of the ions. It is also feasible to find a reasonable approximation through some fairly tedious algebra, which I attempted, found a close approximation but likely missed a step in the 3-6 pages of mixed success and derivations. It resolves to a cubic function, from which a root can be found and a second set of equations solved. I will even set up the equations for those who want to play with them.
If we assume the major contributor to hydrogen ion concentration is atmospheric CO2, and if all resultant ions are tied to this then for each H2CO3 that dissociates, the concentration of hydrogen will increased by a total value of x1 which is the same increase in HCO3 concentration. For each subsequent dissociation of HCO3 the concentration of CO3 and hydrogen ions will increase by a total of x2. Thus the total hydrogen will be equal to the initial value plus x1 and x2, x1 and x2 can be negative. The zeroes in the ion concentration designate an initial starting point and the t designates the target period to solve for, enjoy.
That being said we can much more easily approximate a comparable solution by making one more assumption. If the first dissociation is the dominant factor in the production of hydrogen ions, which it is ka1=2.5*10-4and ka2=4.69*10-11, then we can assume that the x2 contribution to hydrogen ions is essentially 0. This gives us a beautiful quadratic which is very easily solved as seen in equation 7 and then 8.
Had I read through the entirety of the Wikipedia and seen the line at the end suggesting that solution I would have saved a few headaches, and trees. I did however come to the same conclusion independently
Under these conditions we can see the relative changes in concentration of the various ionic species. As more CO2 enters the system carbonic acid goes up, hydrogen ion concentration goes up and bicarbonate ions increase at the same rate.
However referencing the carbonate ion concentration, as the relative change in hydrogen ions is much larger than the change in bicarbonate, thus carbonate levels will drop. For example if I doubled the concentration of hydrogen ions, the concentration of carbonate ions will necessarily drop by half to maintain the equilibrium. An increase in concentration of 1*10^-8.2 hydrogen ions is relatively larger than the same increase at a base concentration in the range of 1*10^-4.
So what does this prove? Sadly nothing. This system of equations only describes sterile, filtered seawater in a flask and holds about the same significance on the results as spherical chickens in a vaccuum.
2. What is the model missing?
Unfortunately there are a large number of factors which are simply not accounted for in a flask hypothesis. There is of course the change in relative concentrations of important chemical species from things like biological function, sequestration, or other natural phenomena. These factors mean the flask model only applies at the boundary layer, a hypothetical infinitely thin slice that represents the boundary between the oceans and the atmosphere.
Phytoplankton will consume oceanic CO2 for photosynthesis. Other microscopic organisms will produce different compounds resulting from various metabolic pathways. Many of which can influence pH, such as ammonia, acetic acid, urea and uric acid or even CO2. Larger organisms such as fish are well known to produce ammonia which is exchanged through the gills. Microorganisms and their various proteins, fall to the bottom of the ocean as they die. Permanently sequestering some of the CO2 in various proteins and tissues.
Two recent papers were published on OA and the change of pH. The most recent published paper from December found
“[the] observed annual variability (~0.3 units) and diurnal variability (~0.1 units) in coastal ocean acidity are both similar in magnitude to long-term global ocean projections (~0.2 units) associated with increasing atmospheric CO”1.
This corresponds well with a paper published in 2011 from Scripps that found that even in the generally stable open ocean where pH tracks well with the CO2 hypothesis
“Our observations confirm an annual mean variability in pH at CCE-1 of nearly 0.1, suggest an inter-annual variability of ~0.02 pH, and capture episodic change” and even went further in their abstract stating “The effect of Ocean Acidification (OA) on marine biota is quasi-predictable at best”2.
A third paper Found much the same
“It is important to place these [OA] changes within the context of pH in the present-day ocean, which is not constant; it varies systematically with season, depth and along productivity gradients. Yet this natural variability in pH has rarely been considered in assessments of the effect of ocean acidification on marine microbes.”3
And my personal favorite quote:
“Therefore, an appropriate null hypothesis may be, until evidence is obtained to the contrary, that major biogeochemical processes in the oceans other than calcification will not be fundamentally different under future higher CO2/lower pH conditions“3
Thus while the model depicting OA as a function of CO2 may be relatively accurate, in some sites the interannual variability exceeds predicted changes and most impact studies seem to neglect this. To be clear dramatic variability of the carbonate system endorses the OA theory and its purported negative impacts.
There is however one more issue with the OA hypothesis, and it stems from the same equilibrium equations used for its validation. Up until this point we have proceeded with the assumption that atmospheric CO2 concentration is causing the changes in hydrogen ion concentration. However natural biological, geological, and chemical sources induce a far greater change in hydrogen ion concentration or pH on inter-annual timescales. An increase in hydrogen ion concentration, assuming a large enough carbonate source, will produce an increased equilibrium value for atmospheric CO2.
Thus any factor which increases the mean of biological activity, will necessarily increase the mean of CO2 in the atmosphere. Any increase in mean CO2, through this mechanism, will result in a relative decrease of radiocarbon (C14) in the atmosphere due to the marine reservoir effect. A mean change in biological activity can be brought about through increases in total solar irradiance, global mean temperature increases, or other unknown factors
Not only is it almost impossible to determine the true effect of anthropogenic emissions on OA, it becomes very difficult to separate anthropogenic carbon sources from oceanic ones in regards to the isotopic concentration in the atmosphere. Without good data on this variance the calculations for global carbon balances may be biased. The same conclusion was found in this 2013 paper
“we detected a mean difference between the boundary layer and 5 m pCO2 of 13 ± 1 µatm. Temperature gradients accounted for only 11% of this pCO2 gradient in the top meters of the ocean; thus, pointing to a heterogeneous biological activity underneath the air-sea boundary layer as the main factor controlling the top meters pCO2 variability. Observations of pCO2 just beneath the air-sea boundary layer should be further investigated in order to estimate possible biases in calculating global air-sea CO2 fluxes.”4
This is not to say such factors invalidate the theory of OA or anthropogenic emissions, it simply means that they have not been investigated sufficiently to rule them out.
3. What about demonstrable harm?
One of the other criticisms found in the rebuttal related to my statements regarding demonstration of harm. Specifically I stated that if they want to claim there is some sort of harm imposed by OA they need to perform an experiment, and they hadn’t. In the rebuttal there is a list of experiments theoretically showing harm as the result of increased CO2. I highly recommend reviewing them if you get a chance.
I clearly should have clarified my statement. It’s not that no experiment regarding CO2 and OA had been performed, I had already gone through the abstracts of most of his citations, I took issue with their validity. I already addressed in the previous section inherent ecological variability, but there are far more problems with this series of studies than simple ecological variance.
First within a water column there is a pH variance and pH sensitive organisms such as Ophiothrix Fragilis choose to live within their pH optimum. From Dupont et al
“During the period of May to September, the pH in gullmars fjord decreases with depth (ranging from 8.33 and 7.97), but never falls below 8.03 in the upper 30m where ophiothrix fragilis larvae are concentrated”
In this case they tested conditions at a pH of 8.1, 7.9 and 7.7 assuming a delta pH of -.2 and -.4. From their quote regarding the natural habitat of the species, again ignoring ecological variability, the lowest value they should have been testing is a pH of about 7.93.You cannot forcibly change the pH in a controlled system with a sensitive organism and claim significant results when the natural environment has variability that exceeds the control parameters for the experiment.
Secondly in almost all cases the studies evaluated the organisms over a very short time span, typically 6-8 weeks. This is not the same as evaluating a stable colony, nor is it akin to studying the adaptability of a species to a change in conditions. For calcifiers the ability to regulate pH at the site of calcification is important to their ability to calcify. The time to ramp up synthesis of required compounds to maintain a high pH at calcification sites may exceed the period of study. While calcification rates may decrease this is not the same as shell dissolution as was alluded to in the NOAA video.
A study evaluating the ability of 18 different organisms to calcify under varying pCO2 conditions found that in 10 cases, when the solution was under saturated with aragonite calcification rates dropped. For 7 of the species calcification rates actually increased with moderate pCO2 and for 3 of the 7 they received the highest calcification rate at a pCO2 reflecting 2856ppm. The study concluded
“whatever the specific mechanisms involved, our results suggest that the impact of pCO2 on marine calcification is more varied than previously thought”6
Simply put you cannot take a system which neglects: temporal, generational, ecological and habitat based variables and apply those results, no matter how significant, to a system which does experience these effects. Like I mentioned before, there have been no studies performed which demonstrate harm from OA.
Furthermore this ignores the fact that calcifiers originally evolved under very high pCO2 >6000ppm conditions. In the rebuttal this point was conceded with a response that adaptation and evolution to such rapidly changing conditions is not possible. While I could not find the referenced work. I would contend that it is factually incorrect. While the time necessary for the evolution of an entirely new species would likely exceed the period of time over which OA is going to occur, a response to the changing chemistry, which marine calcifiers already have to handle yearly variation is not unlikely.
It is certainly not unprecedented. The finches of the Galapagos have been shown to alter beak sizing as a response to drought or competition.
“From 1972 to 2001,Geospiza Fortis (medium ground finch) and Geospiza Scandens (cactus finch) changed several times in body size and two beak traits. Natural selection occurred frequently in both species and varied from unidirectional to oscillating, episodic to gradual. Hybridization occurred repeatedly though rarely, resulting in elevated phenotypic variances in G. Scandens and a change in beak shape.”7
We also learned of the effect of cars on a species of swallow in southwestern Nebraska, influencing the length of their wings in less than 30 years8. There is of course the incidence of the bacteria, discovered in 1975 evolving a unique enzyme to digest nylon, which wasn’t invented until 1935. There is even evidence of fish size, change and reproductive maturity varying as a result of our fishing regulations.
Frankly neither the pH range nor the time frame for OA seems to be outside natural variation. There is also ample evidence that more significant physiological changes can happen in shorter time frames. At the end of the day, before we get all hot and bothered by OA we need to sit back and acknowledge that the species in contention not only show a wider reaction range than is commonly presented, but that whatever their method for calcification is, they simply need to increase the metabolic rates, or the mean metabolic rate of the species through natural selection, to adapt to changing oceanic conditions.
4. Clearly There Must be Some Amazing Data Supporting the Hypothesis.
In the first essay I mentioned several points of contentions with the OA hypothesis. I have addressed my core mistakes and gone into the details and quibbles I have with the rebuttal. But there was one point I made in the original essay which was never touched on in the rebuttal. There is almost no data backing up the OA hypothesis.
As a refresher course on the history of pH; it was conceived of originally in 1909. It was later revised in 1924 to accommodate measurement by electrochemical cells. It wasn’t until 1936 that the first commercial pH meters were available. In the 1970’s the first portable pH meter was released. So if all of the major development in pH meters occurred in the 1900’s and the concept of pH wasn’t even thought up until 1909 how do we get the following graphic
From Wikipedia :Estimated change in sea water pH caused by human created CO2 between the 1700s and the 1990s, from the Global Ocean Data Analysis Project (GLODAP) and the World Ocean Atlas
An engineer showed me that graphic during a debate over the summer regarding CO2 and OA. I love it, it’s a beautiful graphic, and it is entirely farcical. Luckily the tag on Wikipedia mentions that it is the estimated sea change. Unfortunately most people don’t understand the difference between a calculated value and a measured one as demonstrated by the first table on the Wikipedia page for ocean acidification. Note the field result stated next to pre-industrial levels, luckily this has been amended to reflect this is not in the citation given.
To really understand how strong of an argument there is for OA we have to look at the data. The very first worldwide composite of pH data for the oceans came from the GLODAP project. The goal was to establish a climatology for the world’s oceans. This is not an easy endeavor and I do respect the attempt but the result is frankly untrustworthy. While it did define an oceanic pH value in the 1990’s it did so with some gaping holes in its analysis.
Wikipedia describes some of the missing areas as the arctic ocean, the Caribbean sea, the Mediterranean sea and maritime southeast Asia. However on their own website they state
“Anthropogenic CO2 was estimated for the Indian (Sabine et al. 1999), Pacific (Sabine et al. 2002), and Atlantic (Lee et al. 2003) basins individually as the data were synthesized.”
More specifically the entire purpose of the analysis was to estimate the amount of stored anthropogenic carbon. They estimate the uncertainty on this value to be 16% of the total inventory.
With a large part of the ocean completely unsampled, and certainly lacking regular pH measurement effort, what other data is available then? The short answer is none. Unfortunately pH measurements and instrumentation require constant calibration which is not easily performed in long autonomous measurements. The 2009 document from the scientific committee on oceanic research states
“If one is to get a detailed picture of ocean acid base chemistry, they need to be measured precisely with a low uncertainty, but to date such low uncertainties have not been demonstrated for oceanic pH measurements”9
The core of my skepticism in AGW and more specifically the catastrophic elements is always questionable data. This is no different for ocean acidification and the purported claims.
5. Conclusions
After finishing my research and corrections, I was certainly able to corroborate the numerical consensus regarding pH changes as a function of CO2 concentration. However the correction did little to curb my skepticism of an anthropogenic ocean acidification hypothesis and the purported harms. There are simply too many false assumptions required for the idea to play out through its mathematical model.
The same problems arise between small and large ballistics modeling. For lower speeds and shorter distances it is easy to neglect air resistance and get an approximate answer. But for longer distances or higher velocities we end up having to take into account air resistance. The current approach to modeling OA and organism adaptability is akin to trying to understand flight while neglecting lift and concluding it is impossible.
There is direct contrarian evidence to the idea that marine pH is dependent on CO2. pH changes regularly in the ocean, to a greater magnitude than the anticipated effect of CO2 and in a shorter period of time. The ability of an organism to adapt to changing conditions is a huge variable between species, and the ability to adapt over a period of time has not been studied.
Beyond these factors there simply has not been a solid organized long term study of oceanic pH to validate any of the claims. As is frequent in climate science we see gorgeous model visualizations rather than actual data, and we see claims rather than facts.
Outside of these significant factors there is another aspect of OA which frankly needs more research. The fact that pH changes in response to biological activity, begs the question whether humankind is fully to blame for the increase in atmospheric CO2. Any factor that increases the activity of marine life, must necessarily increase the rate of flux of marine CO2 into the atmosphere.
References
1. “Dramatic Variability of the Carbonate System at a Temperate Coastal Ocean Site (Beaufort, North Carolina) is Regulated by Physical and Biogeochemical Processes on Multiple Timescales,” by Zackary I. Johnson, Benjamin J. Wheeler, Sara K. Blinebry, Christina M. Carlson, Christopher S. Ward, Dana E. Hunt. PLOS ONE, Dec. 17, 2013. DOI:10.1371/journal.pone.0085117
2.Hofmann GE, Smith JE, Johnson KS, Send U, Levin LA, et al. (2011) High-Frequency Dynamics of Ocean pH: A Multi-Ecosystem Comparison. PLoS ONE 6(12): e28983. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0028983
3. Joint, Ian, Scott C. Doney, and David M. Karl. “Will Ocean Acidification Affect Marine Microbes?” The ISME Journal (2010): n. pag. Print.
4. Calleja, Maria Ll., Carlos M. Duarte, Marta Álvarez, Raquel Vaquer-Sunyer, Susana Agustí, and Gerhard J. Hernd. “Prevalence of Strong Vertical CO2 and O2 Variability in the Top Meters of the Ocean.” Global Biogeochemical Cycles 27.3 (2013): 941-49. Print.
5. Dupont, S., J. Havenhand, W. Thorndyke, L. Peck, and M. Thorndyke. “Near-future Level of CO2-driven Ocean Acidification Radically Affects Larval Survival and Development in the Brittlestar Ophiothrix Fragilis.” Marine Ecology Progress Series 373 (2008): 285-94. Print.
6. Ries, J. B., A. L. Cohen, and D. C. McCorkle. “Marine Calcifiers Exhibit Mixed Responses to CO2-induced Ocean Acidification.” Geology 37.12 (2009): 1131-134. Print.
7.Grant, Peter R., and Rosemary Grant. “Unpredictable Evolution in a 30-Year Study of Darwin’s Finches.” Science 296.5568 (2002): 707-11. Print.
8. Brown, Charles R., and Mary B. Brown. “Where Has All The Roadkill Gone.” Current Biology 23.6 (2013): 233-34. Print.
9. Report of Ocean Acidification and Oxygen Working Group. Scientific Committee on Oceanic Research, 2009. Web. 24 Jan. 2014. http://www.scor-int.org/OBO2009/A&O_Report.pdf
Volcanic CO2 is by far the largest natural CO2 producer at varying rates. What has been missed is the ocean ridge volcanism which injects vast volumes of CO2 into the ocean floor waters. The circulating waters are around 400C with a pH of around 4.0. The life using chemical instead of light energy around these vents thrive in these high acid conditions. Despite this acidic inject oceans remain with an average pH 7.5-8.4.
Lots or errors in the process, you aren’t suffering from Lipitor derangement syndrome are you? I seem to notice a tendency in myself.
Henry’s-law constant H for CO2 -water solutions is 1.42×10^3 atm/mole fraction at 20 C. Using simple Henry’s-law solubilities (p=H*x), the oceans should hold only 30% of the 2,900 giga tonnes of the atmospheric CO2 at equilibrium, but the actual figure is >50 times this amount. In fact, for an ideal vapour-liquid equilibrium system obeying Raoult’s law, an atmospheric pressure of 175 atmospheres would be required to contain this colossal amount (50*2,900=145,000 giga tonnes) of CO2in the oceans. The majority share of CO2 is taken up by the oceans competing with the biosphere’s CO2 requirements for plant growth and food supply. Non-ideality accounts for its large solubility in water and clearly it is sequestered and fixed by chemical and biological reactions. They involve the formation of carbonate rocks and phytoplankton growth through photosynthesis. The reactions remove dissolved CO2 from the equilbrium equation, driving it to the right, thereby giving the oceans a near limitless ability to absorb CO2.
Acidity
Rainwater condensing from cloud formations dissolves CO2 to form weak carbonic acid, it always has and it always will. It has been responsible for stalactites and stalagmites in caves over thousands of years. Rainwater of course is initially pure water in which there are few ionic species; seawater however is quite different and contains many soluble cations and anions. Sodium and magnesium, which will form stable crystalline solid bicarbonates, are present in abundance. Carbon dioxide in seawater yields salts such as sodium carbonate which are soluble in water and are hydrolysed in solution thus:
Na2CO3 + H2O = NaHCO3 + NaOH
and their solutions are in fact alkaline. For the anti carbon green warmist lobby and the BBC to pronounce that the simple addition of carbonic acid or dissolution of CO2 in seawater will make it acidic is nonsense and he clearly does not understand the complex ionic system pertaining in the oceans. The capacity of seawater to buffer pH changes is well known and its pH always remains in range 7.5 to 8.4 which is alkaline.
Life Force
In addition of course, as stated, it is essential to life in the biosphere and our very existence depends on it. So to declare CO2 a pollutant to be somehow eliminated from the environment is stupid and dangerous when in fact increased CO2 does increase the growth rates of plants and also permits plants to grow in drier regions. Animal life, which depends upon plants, also flourishes, and the diversity of plant and animal life is increased. Human activities are producing part of the rise in CO2 in the atmosphere. Carbon in coal, oil and natural gas is being moved to the atmosphere, where it is available for conversion to living things.
Forensic pathologists are experts in rate of human tissue decay. Could there be some help/information in that quarter in studying biotic decay in the oceans?
Laws of Nature says:
April 27, 2014 at 6:07 pm
Looking at a slightly larger piece of the oceans, then your precious mass balance will also be valid for any given time, while the reason for this local acidification is still not anthropogenic.
Besides the seasonal exchanges 50 GtC in and out between the ocean surface and the atmosphere, there is a near permanent exchange of about 40 GtC/year with the deep oceans, The main sinks are near the poles and especially in the NE Atlantic Ocean (the sink place of the THC). That travels in the deep to beyond South America and pops up near the equator amongst the Chilean coast. Near the poles, the cold waters are far undersaturated in CO2 and take a lot of it with the THC into the deep. At the warm equator, the upwelling waters are oversaturated with CO2 and release a lot of it at the temperature near the equator. The total exchange in and out is around 40 GtC/year. There is some natural variability in the seasonal and permanent exchanges, but that is not more than +/- 2 GtC around the trend over the years. Human emissions are currently near 10 GtC/year…
What happens if there is a disequilibrium between the inflows and outfows of the deep oceans is that the level in the atmosphere will increase or decrease until the original in/outflux is back into equilibrium. The opposite also may happen: as humans increase the levels in the atmosphere, more will pushed into the cold polar sinks and less will be emitted at the warm upwelling places.
How do we know which one is at work? By looking at the isotopic ratio. Pre-Industrial there was an isotopic equilibrium between oceans, vegetation and atmosphere at about -6.4 per mil δ13C, now we are at -8 per mil. The oceans are at 0 to +5 per mil, fossil fuels are average at -24 per mil…
Latitude says:
April 27, 2014 at 4:33 pm
Which common sense tells you if CO2 can drop from the thousands to the 200′s…the sinks are no where near full and no amount of CO2 produced by man could ever fill them or could ever accumulate…
You forget the time frame: during the onset of a deglaciation it did take 5,000 years to release 100 ppmv CO2 and 10,000 years to absorb it again when the world was getting into a new cold period. Now humans have added near 200 ppmv CO2 over only 160 years. Something says to me that nature can’t absorb that all within a short time.
That is confirmed by the sink rate: the current sink rate shows that some 4.5 GtC/year is removed from the atmosphere. The pressure difference at the current temperature is about 100 ppmv (=210 GtC) above equilibrium. That gives an e-fold time of ~52 years or a half life time of ~40 years for the removal of the excess amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Fast enough to follow the ice ages, but too slow to remove all human input in short time…
As a field geologist my abilities are empirical rather than theoretical. I can see Devonian age [about 420Ma to 358Ma] rocks in the field. In places they are incredibly fossiliferous. The fossil Devonian carbonate reefs of the Kimberley region in Western Australia are stunning. Armoured fish were common.
All these creatures were living happily in seas that were in equilibrium with an atmosphere that had CO2 levels up to ten times, or more, greater than present day.
There is obviously great deal of buffering in the world’s oceans and catastrophic general acidification doesn’t happen.
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
April 28, 2014 at 4:58 am
“Besides the seasonal exchanges 50 GtC in and out between the ocean surface and the atmosphere, there is a near permanent exchange of about 40 GtC/year with the deep oceans,
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I understand this is your opinion.. too bad for the 2011 west coast oysters that it is not so constant in reality..
“What happens if there is a disequilibrium between the inflows and outfows of the deep oceans is that the level in the atmosphere will increase or decrease until the original in/outflux is back into equilibrium. The opposite also may happen: as humans increase the levels in the atmosphere, more will pushed into the cold polar sinks and less will be emitted at the warm upwelling places.
How do we know which one is at work? By looking at the isotopic ratio. Pre-Industrial there was an isotopic equilibrium between oceans, vegetation and atmosphere at about -6.4 per mil δ13C, now we are at -8 per mil. The oceans are at 0 to +5 per mil, fossil fuels are average at -24 per mil…”
No Sir, the isotopes cannot tell you this! All they tell you is, that we are indeed burning fossil fuel and it is partially diffusing into the oceans.
My real example showed local acidification due to natural causes and thus falsifies you mass balance argument for that region.
You seem to assume that the ocean currents do not affect the ocean surface water CO2 concentration, while the reality clearly indicates otherwise.. for the small amout of time we have any data that is
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
April 27, 2014 at 5:23 pm
“Over a winter, even under snow, a whole pile of composting material can shrink to halve its size…”
Some years ago we bought a property that had about 3 acres (hectare+) of Spotted Knapweed (Centaurea stoebe). I borrowed a tractor with a sickle bar and cut the “crop.” Then I raked and piled it up, reaching about 8 feet high and twice as wide. From a nearby dairy I hauled 3 pickup loads of fresh manure and covered the pile of weeds. We get about 8 inches of precipitation per year, about half rain and half snow – during cold winters and hot summers.
After about 7 years there was a very small hump left on the ground where the pile of weeds and manure had been. Had I known 25 years ago that this subject would come up – I would have kept precise records.
Henry Clark says:
April 27, 2014 at 7:24 am
“So, as stands about the preceding, civilization emits enough CO2 to be about double the measured rise of it in the atmosphere.”
A meaningless observation in a dynamic system.
“…but, if you look at the plots of temperature driven CO2 release in ice age cycles…”
Long term and short term responses are not the same. See Salby’s lecture.
“The former is mainly merely going in a loop.”
Nature is not a reciprocating pump. There is a drain in your container.
Werner Brozek says:
April 27, 2014 at 9:02 am
The rate of change of atmospheric CO2 is still in lockstep with the temperature “pause”. It’s not anthropogenic.
There is absolutely no doubt about this. But, I have despaired of trying to convince people who do not want to recognize what is staring them in the face. Small wonder we have such a fiasco unfolding with just the warming part having taken a powder, when even skeptical people avert their gazes from what hard data are telling us, and prefer to hew to the narrative made up only of what people think should be happening.
Watch and see what happens. Within maybe 5 years, the rate of change will still be languishing with temperatures, while human inputs will have soared to even greater heights. Maybe then, the truth of the matter will gain some traction. The divergence is already well on this way. The plot at that link is a couple of years old now, and as seen at the previous link, the relationship with temperatures is still holding.
Laws of Nature says:
April 28, 2014 at 9:23 am
No Sir, the isotopes cannot tell you this! All they tell you is, that we are indeed burning fossil fuel and it is partially diffusing into the oceans.
LoN, the overall picture is clear. If the CO2 increase was from the oceans, the 13C/12C ratio of the atmosphere would go up, not down.
Anyway, where deep ocean waters are upwelling, CO2 will be released if the surface temperature is high enough. Which is the case for the oyster hatchery you were referencing. That happens sometimes at several places along the coasts and more permanently along the Peruan/Chilean coast, except during an El Niño.
Local carbon balances are extremely difficult to calculate, even with more and more “tall towers” which measure the CO2 fluxes over hundreds of meters height from a large area. There is some hope that the Japanese satellite will show regional CO2 fluxes over land and sea with a better resolution.
Now humans have added near 200 ppmv CO2 over only 160 years. Something says to me that nature can’t absorb that all within a short time.
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Here we agree to disagree….
Where we differ is I truly believe CO2 levels were low enough to be limiting….just like adding CO2 to a greenhouse in the 1000’s ppm, only for it to drop to limiting again in less than one day…or for that matter, having to continuously add CO2 to any system dependent on it…..
You can’t realize that the planet is “greening”….without realizing that
I do agree with you that a ‘very’ small part of the CO2 rise is due to man’s actions…..but that is more land use, crop use (c4’s), fertilizer (nitrogen) use, irrigation, bacteria, etc and the effect that has on the c12/c13 ratio…adding water and nitrogen to the nitrification/denitrification bacterial cycle etc
I also realize that trying to divine fuels from that ratio is one of the biggest scams going…
I forgot and used a word…..that put me in moderation hell again!!…….LOL
Bart says:
April 28, 2014 at 10:41 am
Hi Bart, we have been there many times…
In short, for those who are new here: the variability of the rate of change of CO2 is in lockstep with the temperature variability. But because human emissions are about twice the average increase of CO2 in the atmosphere and the law of conservaiton of mass, the variability in increase rate of CO2 in the atmosphere caused by temperature is a variability in sink rate, not in source rate.
Despite the overall mass balance, there is an escape possible for Bart’s theory: if the global carbon cycle for some reason increased in lockstep with human emissions. If the sinks have a huge capacity, then the increase of circulation will give an increase of CO2 in the atmosphere, while dwarfing the human emissions.
There are several problems with that theory: there is not the slightest indication that the carbon cycle increased in intensity, to the contrary: the latest estimates of the residence time (= residing mass / throughput) show a small increase over time, which would be the case if the troughput remained the same for an increased mass of CO2 in the atmosphere.
And as the biosphere is a net sink (of ~1 GtC/year) for CO2, only the oceans are the main possible cause of the increased circulation. But that violates the measured 13C/12C trends, which go opposite to the theory…
Further, there is not the slightest problem with divergence: the calculated absorption of CO2 in the oceans, based on the pressure difference between observed CO2 levels and equilibrium CO2 levels in the atmosphere still is widely within natural variability:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/dco2_em4.jpg
The red line is the calculated trend.
@Latitude:
Yup. “Has issues”: https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/the-trouble-with-c12-c13-ratios/
Also, plants pull atmosphereic CO2 down to starvation levels if left to their own devices for long:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/got-wood/
ANY forest has sequested more CO2 than is above it. By a long shot.
E.M.Smith says:
April 28, 2014 at 11:23 am
@Latitude:
Yup. “Has issues”: https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/the-trouble-with-c12-c13-ratios/
Also, plants pull atmosphereic CO2 down to starvation levels if left to their own devices for long:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/10/10/got-wood/
ANY forest has sequested more CO2 than is above it. By a long shot.
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Excellent!….why didn’t you tell me that sooner? Read it all, damn you got every bit of it too!
don’t forget the methane cloud over the Amazon……….it’s what bacteria do when you feed them (carbon)
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
April 28, 2014 at 10:49 am
“[..]LoN, the overall picture is clear. If the CO2 increase was from the oceans, the 13C/12C ratio of the atmosphere would go up, not down.[..]”
No Sir, the isotope depletion is related to the anthropogenic influx and I repeat myself has not necessarily anything to do with the CO2 levels.
Just like when you pee in a snow hill the anthropogenic influx might increase the frozen water amount or decrease it, but that depends on other conditions – in any case: Never eat yellow snow
As for the mass balance you repeat two posts later.. I have already shown you a real example, where a natural upwelling are the (local) cause for an increase of CO2 in the upper ocean an the atmosphere and you can keep the mass balance intact just by taking a bigger part of the ocean into consideration and the mass balance argument fails completely for this local event – it is worthless (just like Essenhigh had already shown years ago on global scale)
Before you get much further with this, you may want to take a look at the work of Roger Revelle on the buffering capacity of the oceans, or perhaps Revelle Revisited is an easier paper to find on the net. The long and the short of it is that the four reactions you are considering would predict that the pH of the oceans was below 7, but it is really ~8, because of the other species mixed in.
As to how far back one can trace ocean pH, never fear, there are proxies True the acid concept is relatively new, and electrochemical methods of measuring pH date back only to 1906. How it is possible, then, that we have measurements of pH going back more than 250 years. The answer is that there are biogeochemical proxies for pH including, among others, boron isotope ratios of foraminiferal carbonate, which can take us back much further than 250 years.
E.M.Smith says:
April 28, 2014 at 11:23 am and
Latitude says:
April 28, 2014 at 12:07 pm
Indeed it is impossible to make a direct differentiation between the burning of fossil fuels and the decay of current biomass. But what you forget is that both use oxygen. Fossil fuel use is known within reasonable limits and burning efficiency of the different fuels is known too. Thus one can calculate the amount of oxygen used by burning fossil fuels.
Since about 1990 the analytical techniques are accurate enough to measure the necessary difference of less than 1 ppmv on 200,000 ppmv oxygen. That did show that the biosphere as a whole (land en seaplants, microbes, insects and all kind of animals) produces a small amount of oxygen, as the decrease of oxygen in the atmosphere is less than what is calculated from fossil fuel use. Thus it doesn’t matter one damn thing what kind of plants (C3 or C4) are gobbling CO2: the whole biosphere is a net sink for CO2 and preferably 12CO2, thus leaving relative more 13CO2 in the atmosphere. Thus not the cause of the 13C/12C decline in the atmosphere. See:
http://www.bowdoin.edu/~mbattle/papers_posters_and_talks/BenderGBC2005.pdf
Even if you don’t like the oxygen data, it is known from satellite measurements that the earth is greening, thus storing more CO2 than it releases.
As the oceans are a lot higher in 13C/12C ratio, they are not the cause of the 13C/12C decline either.
Conclusion: the 13C/12C decline is fully caused by the burning of fossil fuels.
is there any credit given to anything that would produce 13CO2 other than fossil fuels?
…because there is
Ferdinand Engelbeen says: April 27, 2014 at 5:23 pm
“That the biosphere is responsible for the seasonal swings is proven: the oxygen and 13C/12C ratio go up and down together with the CO2 variation:”
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How can that be when it was previously stated that burning fossil fuels is responsible for the 13C/12C ratio going down and the CO2 ppm going up?
Fossil fuels are being burned all year round therefore the 13C/12C ratio should be going down all year round, …… should it not?
Anyway, would not the sequestering of the 13C not be an adequate explanation for the 13C/12C ratio going down? I think it would, and I think I pointed this out to you before, to wit:
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“Differences in altitude are also known to affect terrestrial plant carbon isotopic signatures (δ13C) in mountain regions, since plant δ13C values at high altitudes are typically enriched (Körner et al. 1988; 1991) compared to the carbon signatures of plants from low altitudes. Soil organic matter also show enrichment in 13C with soil depth, which is suggested to be a consequence of humification and the loss of the lighter isotope (12C) via respiration, thus concentrating 13C in the soil organic matter (Kramer et al. 2003).
http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:303212/FULLTEXT01.pdf
DUH, sequestering the 13C in the soil and the woody portion …… and respiring the 12C into the atmosphere.
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Ferdinand Engelbeen says: “ in spring oxygen goes up while total CO2 goes down ”
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What do you mean by “in spring”?
Did you mean “spring” aka: the spring equinox? “spring” aka: warm temperatures; or “spring” aka: both spring and summer?
When talking about the START of the bi-yearly decrease in CO2 …. relative to the START of the “spring” biomass growing season …..you can not be talking in “generalities” because it only confuses the issue and affords the speaker a lot of “slack” to prove or justify their claim.
The start of “spring” biomass growth is determined by the amount of daily Sunlight …. and the rate of growth is determined by the ambient temperature and the amount of moisture. The initial growth is not dependent upon atmospheric CO2 but on stored sugars in the roots or the seeds. Thus, growing biomass does not absorb any CO2 until is has grown sufficient foliage (leaves) to do so. And it only absorbs maximum CO2 after it has grown its maximum foliage and then only in full Sunlight. Cloudy, rainy, cool, dark and/or dry/drought conditions retards photosynthesis.
And the “local specific” start of “spring” biomass growth progresses from the lower latitudes to the higher latitudes as the Sun moves north of the Equator. Reference this “temperature zones” map: http://www.waldeneffect.org/20100313frost.jpg
And the same “conditions” that permits the spring” biomass growth to progresses from the lower latitudes to the higher latitudes ….. are the same “conditions” that permits the rotting and decaying of the dead plant biomass to progresses from the lower latitudes to the higher latitudes. Thus, CO2 is being emitted into the atmosphere and absorbed from the atmosphere at the same time.
But, the Mona Loa Record is factual proof that Atmospheric CO2 always reaches its maximum ppm in mid-May of each year …. except for like 7 or 8 of the past 56 years. To wit:
NOAA’s complete monthly average Mona Loa CO2 ppm data
ftp://aftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/products/trends/co2/co2_mm_mlo.txt
Now, given all the above variables, if plotted on the referenced “temperature zones” map, how does one explain the Mona Loa data with the maximum atmospheric CO2 ppm occurring in mid-May of most every year ….. especially when like only 50% of the new growth biomass, as per the afore cited “temperature zones” map, … has reached “full foliage” status by mid-May?
And ps, if you check that Mona Loa Record you will note that the minimum atmospheric CO2 ppm has occurred at the end of September of most every year for the past 56 years.
Now how do you explain that coincidence? Surely not by the “starting” point of your presumed “rotting and decaying” of biomass. Remember now, those microbes only “work” when the temperature and moisture are to their liking.
Laws of Nature says:
April 28, 2014 at 12:22 pm
the mass balance argument fails completely for this local event – it is worthless (just like Essenhigh had already shown years ago on global scale)
The mass balance doesn’t work for local events, simply because one doesn’t know all local inputs and outputs. But for a global mass balance, one doesn’t need that: without knowing one natural in/outflow one can know the balance at the end of a year: human CO2 emissions are known, the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere is known, the difference is known, all with reasonable accuracy: around 45% of the extra induced CO2 as mass (not as original molecules) is removed somewhere in natural sinks.
And sorry, but Essenhigh confused residence time (which is ~5 years) with the removal rate of an excess amount of CO2 in the atmosphere (which needs ~50 years e-fold time)…
thus leaving relative more 13CO2 in the atmosphere….
Ferdinand, methane reduction, nitrification, and denitrification are all net producers of 13CO2……
…..bacteria
We are using it to monitor the dead zones..
Samuel C Cogar says:
April 28, 2014 at 3:08 pm
Samuel, please, the seasonal swings are around the trend, the trend itself may be up, down or flat, that has nothing to do with the seasonal swings…
The seasonal swings at Mauna Loa are +/- 3 ppmv, while the trend is only 2 ppmv/year,
Further the “enrichment” of plants at high altitude with 13C is relative to plants at lower altitude, but still way below what can be measured in the air: that is clearly visible in the graphs and table of the reference you gave.
And for the timing: it takes some time for the CO2 peak to reach the 3,400 m height of Mauna Loa:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/seasonal_CO2_d13C_MLO_BRW.jpg
but even Barrow is quite late in the game, as it takes more time for thawing and growing and it is also faster ending its growing season. More data can be found for different places at:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/dv/iadv/
But in general, the exact timing of the CO2 peak and 13C/12C ratio minimum is a matter of equilibrium between CO2 uptake by vegetation and release of CO2 from soil bacteria etc. Plus a shift in peak timing due to the continuous release of 13C depleted CO2 by humans.
Anyway it is clear that the seasonal swings are caused by vegetation growth/decay, because if it was from the ocean warming/cooling, then CO2 and 13C/12C ratio should both go up and down in parallel.
Latitude says:
April 28, 2014 at 3:13 pm
Ferdinand, methane reduction, nitrification, and denitrification are all net producers of 13CO2……
…..bacteria
Yes, but if that adds to the atmosphere, these sources can’t be the cause of the decrease of the 13C/12C ratio in the atmosphere… Only if the methane is oxydised, it will add to the 13C depletion. But there is little change in CH4 levels in the atmosphere over the past decade, thus little change in production of methane…