Odd Tilts Could Make More Worlds Habitable
Pivoting planets that lean one way and then change orientation within a short geological time period might be surprisingly habitable, according to new modeling by NASA and university scientists affiliated with the NASA Astrobiology Institute.
The climate effects generated on these wobbling worlds could prevent them from turning into glacier-covered ice lockers, even if those planets are somewhat far from their stars. And with some water remaining liquid on the surface long-term, such planets could maintain favorable conditions for life.
“Planets like these are far enough from their stars that it would be easy to write them off as frozen, and poor targets for exploration, but in fact, they might be well-suited to supporting life,” said Shawn Domagal-Goldman, an astrobiologist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. “This could expand our idea of what a habitable planet looks like and where habitable planets might be found.”

The new modeling considers planets that have the same mass as Earth, orbit a sun-like star and have one or two gas giants orbiting nearby. In some cases, gravitational pulls from those massive planets could change the orientation of the terrestrial world’s axis of rotation within tens to hundreds of thousands of years – a blink of an eye in geologic terms.
Though it might seem far-fetched for a world to experience such see-sawing action, scientists have already spotted an arrangement of planets where this could happen, in orbit around the star Upsilon Andromedae. There, the orbits of two enormous planets were found to be inclined at an angle of 30 degrees relative to each other. (One planet was, as usual, farther from the star than the other planet.)
Compared to our solar system, that arrangement looks extreme. The orbits of Earth and its seven neighboring planets differ by 7 degrees at most. Even the tilted orbit of the dwarf planet Pluto, which really stands out, is offset by a relatively modest 17 degrees.
“Knowing that this kind of planetary system existed raised the question of whether a world could be habitable under such conditions,” said Rory Barnes, a scientist at the University of Washington in Seattle who was part of the team that studied the orbits of the two Andromedae planets.
The habitability concept is explored in a paper published in the April 2014 issue of Astrobiology and available online now. John Armstrong of Weber State University in Ogden, Utah, led the team, which includes Barnes, Domagal-Goldman, and other colleagues.
The team ran thousands of simulations for planets in 17 varieties of simplified planetary systems. The models the researchers built allowed them to adjust the tilt of the planetary orbits, the lean in the axes of rotation, and the ability of the terrestrial planet’s atmosphere to let in light.
In some cases, tilted orbits can cause a planet to wobble like a top that’s almost done spinning – and that wobbling should have a big impact on the planet’s glaciers and climate. Earth’s history indicates that the amount of sunlight glaciers receive strongly affects how much they grow and melt. Extreme wobbling, like that seen in some models in this study, would cause the poles to point directly at the sun from time to time, melting the glaciers. As a result, some planets would be able to maintain liquid water on the surface despite being located nearly twice as far from their stars as Earth is from the sun.
“In those cases, the habitable zone could be extended much farther from the star than we normally expect,” said Armstrong, the lead author of the paper. “Rather than working against habitability, the rapid changes in the orientation of the planet could turn out be a real boon sometimes.”
So science fiction is now science ? Just like the ‘science’ of black holes becoming ‘pregnant’ with new universes and giving ‘birth’ ? What a bunch of tax-fund Asimov inspired crap.
“new modeling by NASA”
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Generally speaking we need far less new modeling from NASA and far more true science from NASA.
We have sent probes to Mars and spacecraft orbiting the moons of other planets we have landed men on the moon, but we have failed to find one microbe of extraterrestrial life; we have been actively listening for signs of intelligent life for decades and found none. So now we turn to “new models”.
I guess the idea is if we take the theories of why there just ought to be, just has to be, really must be, life on other planets and throw them in the computer with James Hansen’s theories of why we are, must be, ought to be, destroying life on Earth out will pop an ET, saying “phone home” and wouldn’t that be cute.
1. Re: “… you can’t model climate here, what unimaginable hubris allows you to think you can model it elsewhere with absolutely no knowns… .” (Rhoda Klapp 1:06am)
Example of just such hubris from article:
So, they KNOW there is even one molecule of H2O there?
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2. Re: “… life would have no problem surviving the violent upheavals associated with the … planet’s rotation changing, but we’ll all die {from} a couple of degrees rise in surface temperature.”
Good ol’ Envirostalinism (driven by the Enviroprofiteers), LOL —
Propaganda: “Gotta shut down the manufacturing and power generation of free market economies (using CO2 “pollution” regulations)….
…….. Because the earth could NEVER survive … .”
{Note: just ad argumentum, for there is NO evidence that CO2 does ANYTHING TO significantly alter the climate zones of the Earth.}
REALITY:
Mt. St. Helens — Biological Recovery
#2 was Eric Worrall’s quote — oops!
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Thanks to all the hiding heat, now only tropical fish can live at the bottom of the oceans. Their preferred food is Finnish moths. (Other moths don’t have fins.)
Wouldn’t “extreme wobbling” cause extreme ranges in temperature and also extreme weather? If such conditions are “surprisingly habitable,” why are we worried about a few degrees of climate change here on Earth?
@ur momisugly Gunga Din — LOL.
Climastrologists: “And we know that because…….. we…. uh……. we SAW them… inourmodel.”
#(:))
OK, but what about tilted islands like Guam?
Janice Moore says: …
+1
should say “Life as we understand it.” There was a time when scientists didn’t know that some life forms at the bottom of the ocean survive on H2S.
“… according to new modeling by NASA and university scientists affiliated with the NASA Astrobiology Institute.”.,,
‘Nuff said.
“Odd Tilts Could Make More Worlds Habitable”
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This, coming from a tilted world, the only habitable one known.
Bias much ?
Need to get outside the box.
Thank you, Mark Stoval!
Thanks for taking the time… .
“Fracking geniuses over there at NASA.” (Mark Stoval)
LOL.
This comes as news? To NASA, no less? They had to make a model?
One word: Obliquity.
I don’t see anything wrong with the basic idea, but as there are no other planets that we know of that can support life, there’s no supportive factual data, to elaborate further on this modeled hypothesis, a habitable planet has to be found around another star which facilitates life and this planet must fit the same orbital criteria.
Simply looking for a wobbling exoplanet and declaring it habitable based on this model is unacceptable!
As we’re on the issue, even if primitive life was found within our solar system, Mars for example, it will never be proven conclusively that the life didn’t originate from earth!
The other point is; Why haven’t we tried to seed Mars and spreed life to other planets?
For all we know, this is the only planet in the entire universe that has life, we have been to other planets why have we not tried to introduce life to these planets?
Such a waste!
Just because a planet is habitable today, for life as we know it, does not mean that life could have evolved on it. This sort of orbit is probably not stable enough over the billions of years it takes.
ferd berple says:
April 17, 2014 at 4:58 am
WRT:
You know, at first I wasn’t going to bite. I guess I’d forgotten all about NASA’s Kool-Aid drinking days. But sure enough, here is one of NASA’s
Sounds like the public school systems. They used to have a mission back in the ’60’s… I forget what it was though…drool…
Janice, volcanic eruptions have formed the earth as we know it. The most dangerous are those that appear dormant and then blow up, like St.Helens. Like in 79 AD, Mt Vesuvius was thought by Pliny the Elder it was just a mountain, that was very fertile. He died then, from what is termed noxious fumes, others who witnessed his death didn’t die though? Yet his nephew Pliny the younger gave an account of the eruption. But for years afterwards, the land was covered with ash and was not used by humans. And there are millions of people living there now.
This wobbly planet, well maybe some subterranean life form is present we will never know. Depends if they have water, and if they have water then life could exist.
If only we could find some intelligent life on Earth!! hahahaha.
The anthropomorphic principle yet again.
Don’t you think this announcement from NASA is not scientifically based and speculative. I think what Stephen Hawking said on his video, ‘If ever, aliens from other worlds visit us, it won’t be pleasant’ has some truth in it. Gosh they are here already, Gore, Flannery, Mann and Jones just – LOL to mention just a few.
This is the astronomers wishful thinking. But it is their job to seek out planets we have not discovered. I see no harm in it, but if is a dead planet, like Mars it won’t be known. One of the interesting things I’ve read, is that some of Jupiter’s moons, that are still experiencing volcanic eruptions is still forming and also another that has what looks like ice, could have life underneath in water that is warmish. But by life they can mean microbes and bacteria, that have been found in meteorites hitting earth.
“””””…..from Sparks…..For all we know, this is the only planet in the entire universe that has life, we have been to other planets why have we not tried to introduce life to these planets? …..”””””
You nailed it Sparks; from ALL we know this IS the only planet in the entire universe that has life.
The sum total of our scientific knowledge of life on ANY other planet, does not yet amount to one single binary digit of data; and it is likely to remain that way for the forseeable future.
Life on other planets at the moment, is just the output of computer models, and we know where that has gotten us in climate.