From the we told you so, time and time again department comes this story about Gore’s buddy, Dr. Lonnie Thompson and his Kilimanjaro glacier that just won’t die like they want it to, even though they don’t believe their own hype.
From ETN Global Travel Industry News:
Mount Kilimanjaro Glaciers nowhere near extinction
The legendary glaciers, one of key tourists ecstasy, on Tanzania’s majestic Kilimanjaro mountain, will not melt anytime soon after all, as it was earlier predicted.
America’s renowned climatologist, professor Lonnie Thompson in 2002 projected that the snow on the summit of Africa’s highest mountain would completely disappear between 2015 and 2020, thanks to global warming.
But 12 years down the lane now, local ecologists who have been monitoring the trend say the ice, in fact, remains steady and it is nowhere near extinction.
“There are ongoing several studies, but preliminary findings show that the ice is nowhere near melting,” said Mount Kilimanjaro National Park (KINAPA)’s Ecologist, Imani Kikoti.
Mr Kikoti hints that sustainable rainfalls supply on Mount Kilimanjaro in recent years could be a factor behind the snow resilient.
“Much as we agree that the snow has declined over centuries, but we are comfortable that its total melt will not happen in the near future,” he stressed.
Sometimes in 2006, KINAPA installed three state-of-the-art automatic weather stations on mountain key areas of Shira 2, Mweka and Kibo huts to collect accurate data on weather trends.
Though scientifically, it takes up to 30 years to conclude on whether rainfalls are on increase or otherwise, but Mr Kikoti says the data are encouraging.
more here: http://www.eturbonews.com/44420/mount-kilimanjaro-glaciers-nowhere-near-extinction
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As we’ve said before, it’s about sublimation and lack of water vapor in the atmosphere, not temperature.
The issue is really quite simple.
Much of the sublimation may be due to the forests around the base of Kilimanjaro being cleared for firewood and agricultural use by the locals. Just imagine if they had electricity- they’d no longer need firewood and the trees would return, along with the evapotranspiration that keeps the up-slope winds onto the mountain laden with water vapor.
For example, this is a photo (at left) of Dr. Thompson standing next to an ice spire on Kilimanjaro. Notice any meltwater pools nearby?
You won’t, because they aren’t there. Read this quote from this entry to understand why:
The ice cap on Kilimanjaro consists of ice on the 5,700-meter-high flat summit, some with vertical edges, and several slope glaciers, mostly at altitudes where temperatures stay well below freezing and the major source of energy is solar radiation. Considerable infrared radiation is emitted from the glacier surface into the surrounding air, and the glaciers lose the most mass through sublimation-the direct conversion of ice to water vapor. Observers have seen only a trickle of meltwater.
Dr. Thompson seems not to want to understand the process of sublimation on Kilimanjaro
Of course, it is easy to see why Dr. Thompson wants to keep claiming that the glaciers on Kilimanjaro will disappear, its his business:
What a lovely hockey stick graph courtesy of NSF.
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A remake of 1952’s ‘The Snows Of Kilimanjaro’ is in order. Perhaps a release to coincide with any Gore AIT 2 warmenklatura nonsense. Who would play Harry. Clooney? Hell no.
It makes you wonder if these idiots ever look at themselves in the mirror and think “was I wrong?”
A quick glance at their pay cheque and suddenly all queries disappear.
Hemingway would be pleased.
There were 2 sharp jumps in Dr. Thompson’s grants in the early 1990s. That wouldn’t have anything to do with an IPCC report and Al Gore’s ‘Inconvenient Truth’? No wonder he latched onto global warming.
Done it. And yes, global warming was of highly questionable cause. Global warming occurred, the ice cap receded and they blamed global warming. Reforestation carried out and the ice cap built up. The Kilimanjaro ice cap has been dwindling since 1912 so the reforestation efforts had a big impact in a relatively short period of time compared to 1912.
Also see my peer reviewed references above.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/07/kilimanjaro-glaciers-just-wont-die-nowhere-near-extinction/#comment-1608025
$11 million in grants for this Quackitist ? This is the main issue isn’t it ? Public money for non-science, activism, Cut all of it now. No $ for the cult of globaloney. No $ for anything unless it is applied science, which conforms to the scientific method, whose results, data sets and code; are put into the public domain for review.
Here is what the IPCC has said in the past.
“Increasingly, computer models have underestimated the trends because, in fact, the rate of
global temperature rise is accelerating.”
He wrote this in 2010, when there had been no global warming for over a decade.
The man’s a liar.
Chris
I remember reading Michael Crichton’s excellent novel ‘State of Fear’ pub 2004 .
there he put deforestation as the probable cause of retreat of Kilimanjaro glacier, & cited the journal references. “Kilimanjaro has been rapidly melting since the 1800s–long before global warming….& has been a topic of scholarly concern for over a hundred years.”
Sea levels, also: sea levels have been rising for the last 6,000 years, ever since the start of the Holocene,at the rate of 1.7 to 2.4 mm/yr = 6″ to 9″ every hundred years.
Also mentioned was the benefit of CO2 producing plant growth, the Greening of the Sahara since the 80s, for example.
A most important book for a non-scientist such as myself, because he also deals with the social & political sides of the CAGW/CC/WW scare scam. Because that’s precisely what it’s all about: the control of society through fear.
Mr. C, RIP, correctly identified the start of the popularisation of Global Warming as the televised stitch up Wirth & Hansen arranged in June 1988.
Not coincidentally, the Berlin wall came down in Nov 1989, & the GW scare scam was in place to replace the dead Cold War scare scam, which had sufficed as a control mechanism since WWII.
It’s all about control, & always has been. “Sustainability” is a red herring.
His grant money is increasing exponentially. It’s better than he thought.
Check out this sinle million Dollar grant for ONE year! Who needs adjustments for inflation? He was well on a hockey stick trajectory.
“Reconstructing Tropical Pacific Climate Variability and Monsoon Systems, and Abrupt Changes from Ice Cores on Irian Jaya, Indonesia and Hualcan, Peru”
Investigator(s):
Lonnie Thompson thompson (Principal Investigator)
Ellen Mosley-Thompson (Co-Principal Investigator)
$1,094,433.00 Date: 2008
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0823586&HistoricalAwards=false
Jimbo says:
April 8, 2014 at 8:44 am
Greg says:
April 7, 2014 at 1:25 pm
The cumulative grants graph is a bit misleading. My “cumulative” income is ramping up like that too, but I’m not getting any richer and my buying power is declining year by year.
But the look of the graph if you plotted his annual grant funding in inflation adjusted dollars it would flat. The exponential growth in the graph is misleading and probably intentionally so.
Check out this sinle million Dollar grant for ONE year! Who needs adjustments for inflation? He was well on a hockey stick trajectory.
If you read it carefully you’ll see it was the amount awarded over 6 years.
Climate Dunce says:
April 7, 2014 at 8:29 pm
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If that is the criteria, probably 10 – 15% of comments should be snipped.☺
Mod: readers can handle stupid comments. I’m sorry I couldn’t read what ‘Climate Dunce’ wrote. Sometimes it’s fun to reply to stupid. Don’t deny us that pleasure.
“””””…..Doug says:
April 7, 2014 at 1:49 pm
“For example, this is a photo (at left) of Dr. Thompson standing next to an ice spire on Kilimanjaro. Notice any meltwater pools nearby?
You won’t, because they aren’t there”
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They aren’t there because that ice is sitting on an extremely porous and permeable heap of volcanic cinders and ash. Every summer 20 feet of snow melts off the volcanoes near my home, and hardly a trickle of runoff is seen on the mountain. If passes through the volcanoes easily, and burbles out near the base as springs.
While I agree with sublimation being the major process, the lack of melt water pools is not very convincing evidence……”””””
Are your volcanoes 19,000 ft high, like Kilimanjaro ??
Ice tends to not melt at Temperatures well below zero. And if it does, it tends to form downward facing spikes (on refreeze), not upward facing ones. Ergo, one can conclude that Thompson’s icicle is not melting.
This is an example of taxpayer abuse of the worst kind. These leeches, need to get off the taxpayer’s backs, and try and find some honest work; like selling used cars maybe.
That Thompson and his wife can slurp at the public trough for 38 years, is itself a travesty. At some point, they need to get a job.
Well this is good to know! I still dream of climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro. I’m hoping to win a spot with a charity climb of 30 high-tech leaders to summit Mt. Kilimanjaro and raise money to provide water to Africans in need. My contest ends Apr. 17 and I’m also trying to achieve my mom’s dream of climbing Kilimanjaro. She passed away recently but I still want to make her dream come true. I’m getting FB likes for my video :). http://thesummit.co/kilimanjaro/nominees-individual#entry-102
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