From the we told you so, time and time again department comes this story about Gore’s buddy, Dr. Lonnie Thompson and his Kilimanjaro glacier that just won’t die like they want it to, even though they don’t believe their own hype.
From ETN Global Travel Industry News:
Mount Kilimanjaro Glaciers nowhere near extinction
The legendary glaciers, one of key tourists ecstasy, on Tanzania’s majestic Kilimanjaro mountain, will not melt anytime soon after all, as it was earlier predicted.
America’s renowned climatologist, professor Lonnie Thompson in 2002 projected that the snow on the summit of Africa’s highest mountain would completely disappear between 2015 and 2020, thanks to global warming.
But 12 years down the lane now, local ecologists who have been monitoring the trend say the ice, in fact, remains steady and it is nowhere near extinction.
“There are ongoing several studies, but preliminary findings show that the ice is nowhere near melting,” said Mount Kilimanjaro National Park (KINAPA)’s Ecologist, Imani Kikoti.
Mr Kikoti hints that sustainable rainfalls supply on Mount Kilimanjaro in recent years could be a factor behind the snow resilient.
“Much as we agree that the snow has declined over centuries, but we are comfortable that its total melt will not happen in the near future,” he stressed.
Sometimes in 2006, KINAPA installed three state-of-the-art automatic weather stations on mountain key areas of Shira 2, Mweka and Kibo huts to collect accurate data on weather trends.
Though scientifically, it takes up to 30 years to conclude on whether rainfalls are on increase or otherwise, but Mr Kikoti says the data are encouraging.
more here: http://www.eturbonews.com/44420/mount-kilimanjaro-glaciers-nowhere-near-extinction
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As we’ve said before, it’s about sublimation and lack of water vapor in the atmosphere, not temperature.
The issue is really quite simple.
Much of the sublimation may be due to the forests around the base of Kilimanjaro being cleared for firewood and agricultural use by the locals. Just imagine if they had electricity- they’d no longer need firewood and the trees would return, along with the evapotranspiration that keeps the up-slope winds onto the mountain laden with water vapor.
For example, this is a photo (at left) of Dr. Thompson standing next to an ice spire on Kilimanjaro. Notice any meltwater pools nearby?
You won’t, because they aren’t there. Read this quote from this entry to understand why:
The ice cap on Kilimanjaro consists of ice on the 5,700-meter-high flat summit, some with vertical edges, and several slope glaciers, mostly at altitudes where temperatures stay well below freezing and the major source of energy is solar radiation. Considerable infrared radiation is emitted from the glacier surface into the surrounding air, and the glaciers lose the most mass through sublimation-the direct conversion of ice to water vapor. Observers have seen only a trickle of meltwater.
Dr. Thompson seems not to want to understand the process of sublimation on Kilimanjaro
Of course, it is easy to see why Dr. Thompson wants to keep claiming that the glaciers on Kilimanjaro will disappear, its his business:
So it takes 30 years now to prove a trend?
Archonix: in these matters I am an amateur. What could have caused the obvious jpeg compression?
OT I know, sorry, but interesting article in The Atlantic http://www.theatlantic.com
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/04/the-uns-new-focus-surviving-not-stopping-climate-change/359929/
The cumulative grants graph is a bit misleading. My “cumulative” income is ramping up like that too, but I’m not getting any richer and my buying power is declining year by year.
But the look of the graph if you plotted his annual grant funding in inflation adjusted dollars it would flat. The exponential growth in the graph is misleading and probably intentionally so.
Too bad we can’t get scientists like him off the gravy train.
I don’t blame him for spending all that money. I blame the fools who gave it to him.
“For example, this is a photo (at left) of Dr. Thompson standing next to an ice spire on Kilimanjaro. Notice any meltwater pools nearby?
You won’t, because they aren’t there”
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They aren’t there because that ice is sitting on an extremely porous and permeable heap of volcanic cinders and ash. Every summer 20 feet of snow melts off the volcanoes near my home, and hardly a trickle of runoff is seen on the mountain. If passes through the volcanoes easily, and burbles out near the base as springs.
While I agree with sublimation being the major process, the lack of melt water pools is not very convincing evidence.
“Nature – Alarmists biggest nightmare.” Phil Jourdan at 11:17am
Nice one! And I like this version, too:
REALITY — AGWers biggest nightmare.
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My thought: And EVEN IF the glaciers were “dying” (oh, brother)… .
It proves about human CO2 exactly: NOTHING.
Greg says:
April 7, 2014 at 1:25 pm
The cumulative grants graph is a bit misleading. My “cumulative” income is ramping up like that too, but I’m not getting any richer and my buying power is declining year by year.
But the look of the graph if you plotted his annual grant funding in inflation adjusted dollars it would flat. The exponential growth in the graph is misleading and probably intentionally so.
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If you plot his annual grant take against my tax bill I’m sure that you will find that my tax bill climbed at a faster rate than his annual grant take. Unfortunately my income didn’t either. Rather than defending this largesse you should be shocked and disgusted by it.
It was GREGORY (Peck, playing Harry) who was dying, not the GLaciers, you dummies! (lol)
“The Snows of Kilimanjaro” (based on short story of Ernest Hemingway)
@ur momisugly Generic Geologist — You make the BETTER point (at 1:58pm) (than mine at 1:55pm). Such a waste of taxpayers’ hard-earned income is, indeed, disgusting. I sure would like to see Greg as an ally, here… . I think he may actually be one…
These baseless and alarming stories are sublimating into the sunny dry air – more *POOF* of Global Warming.
“News and notes on Kilimanjaro’s summit glaciers and climate”
http://kiboice.blogspot.se/
Thanks, A. Good article.
Good to know that the Kilimanjaro glacier is going nowhere fast and that forests, not warming, are the key. Tanzanians should find a way to promote wealth acquisition to make deforestation unnecessary, conservation desirable.
Well said — GREAT SUMMARY, Andres Valencia, and you nicely make the point of Peter Huber’s excellent book on GENUINE “environmentalism,” Hard Green.
…. Cheers! #(;))
I find it most interesting that using fossil fuels, instead of stripping the surrounding forests for fuel, might facilitate preservation of the glaciers. Score another point for fossil fuels!!
After a few long, harsh and exceptionally snowy winters in a row, Helsinki got rid of their budding glacier in Maununneva snow dump site with fossil fueled heavy equipment. http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Piled+higher+than+the+rollercoaster+at+Linnanm%C3%A4ki/1135255884382. With 10000000$ that should be a piece of cake in Africa.
When the first histories of an event start to appear, you know that the subject event of those histories are drawing to a close and are almost over and finished.
Rupert Darwall has written a history of global warming in his book, “The Age of Global Warming”, reviews of which can be found in “The Spectator” and “The Telegraph”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/books/8883981/the-greatest-scare-story/
Perhaps one of the most intriguing items of this grand and total debacle of the whole global warming scam is the almost total hubris and arrogance displayed by so many very prominent scientists in this whole sordid climate warming debacle.
They made and many continue to make outlandish and unprovable claims on the future of a future diabolical global climate which from the climate gate mail releases we now know they knew were never valid or accurate portrayals of even the outputs of their unproven global climate models let alone having any relationship with the reality of the global climate both past and future.
In their apparent hubris and arrogance these same so called climate scientists seem to believe they would never be found out for their blatant lying and deliberate misrepresentations of the realities of the climate predictions they were very prominently and personally promulgating which they, as we now know, were quite aware had the lack of any proven scientific evidence to back up and base their catastrophic climate predictions on.
Nor did they and in some cases some still believe they will never be held to account for their blatant lying and deliberate misrepresentations on the true realities of the climate and the science surrounding the global climate.
Hopefully some of the worst offenders in climate science will find that they are marked for the rest of their lives with the tar and feathers of being the prime perpetrators of a blatant scientific fraud that has cost the people of this earth so much in treasure and health and lives and all for totally and absolutely nought.
The true legacy of corrupt climate science is the very marked reduction in public respect for all of science and the suspicions by the public that many scientists across all disciplines are far from dedicated and pure in spirit scientists and are in science purely for the money and the prestige.
And the unpredicted and surprising creation of a very large internet based science lay person run blogsphere dedicated to going over science of every type with a fine tooth comb looking for both the strengths and the weaknesses in particular of any science based claims across all of science’s disciplines.
As the global warming debacle slowly dies those interested science blogging lay persons will switch their interests to other science disciplines and for many of those other science disciplines the exposure to the public and often forensic type examinations of the blog sphere will be traumatic and deeply disturbing to the status quo and most unwelcome but they will have to adapt or be revamped in a new modus operandi or it will be done for them and harshly.
Science has a serious future shock awaiting it and will probably be changed forever as it now starts to come under a constant questioning surveillance from the science orientated sections of the lay person run blog sphere.
Never again will science be allowed to operate in it’s own exclusive closed ivory tower isolated academic circles remote from and completely contemptuous of those little people down there who pay the increasingly onerous bills that science presents and which much of science has become convinced that it is science’s rights to have access to as much of the public wealth as it demands.
As is said; “He who has the gold makes the Rules,”
In this case it is the public and it’s tax money which science of every type now relies almost totally on for it’s very existence and that public is becoming increasingly disillusioned with the science of the recent past.
The Graphting of Grants al la Hockeey Stick needs to be terminal
You really need to give poor Lonnie a break. He’s just trying to stay warm.
Back before he began his studies, glaciologists had to go to terribly inhospitable places to do their work, places like Greenland, the Vostok research station, and Baffin Island.
Lonnie ‘discovered’ low-latitude glaciers like Dunde and Quelccaya, where you could take some measurements in the morning and then catch some rays while enjoying your afternoon tea on the veranda.
His worry, now turned into desperate fear, is that these glaciers might melt away during his lifetime and his glorious summer research projects would go away. He and his students would then face the unpleasant choice of returning to the frozen wastelands to collect ice cores, or perhaps find a different line of work.
So what if his ‘solution’ would mean shutting down a significant portion of the world’s economy; he and his students would stay warm while they explored their favorite glaciers.
(sarc of course)
Have Lonnie and Ellen archived their data yet?
http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/08/lonnie-thompsons-legacy/
Indeed, I will note that one of the criteria for a dynasty in China to claim the Mandate of Heaven was to write the history of the previous dynasty.
Heh, I read that as “Global Travesty Industry”. 😉
What the heck are “sustainable rainfalls”? Maybe they meant “sustained”?
Reblogged this on Head Space and commented:
The devil in the details is the chart at the end of the article showing the 12 million dollars in NSF grants awarded to Dr.Thompson for his theories pushing the agenda.