Apparently, being uncertain about climate certainty is a crime worth jail time
What a week this has been. In preparation for the release of the IPCC Working Group II report, hate speech against climate skeptics seems to have ramped up and turned into a week-long unreality show. The proprietors and cheerleaders of the Climate Certainty Channel™ seem to be ever more sure of impending doom caused by (take your pick) global warming – climate change – climate disruption. Here is a summary of the feature programs this past week.
First, priming the pump, just about two weeks ago, we started out with this: Despicable climate ugliness courtesy of Lawrence Torcello – assistant professor of philosophy at Rochester Institute of Technology where he rationalized for climate “deniers” to be jailed.
Monckton followed up with a letter: Monckton’s letter to the Rochester Institute of Technology regarding Assistant Professor Lawrence Torcello
Of course, according to the David Suzuki funded Hoggan PR firm “DeSmog Blog” we are all just a bunch of angry lunatic fringe types for suggesting we take an exception to being jailed…that, and they say we completely misread the intent of Torcello’s essay, which is somehow philosophical: Exclusive: Climate Change Philosopher A Target Of Abusive Hate Campaign:
Under the headline “US Philosophy Professor: Jail ‘Denialist’ Climate Scientists For Criminal Negligence“ Delingpole wrote Torcello had argued “scientists who don’t believe in catastrophic man-made global warming should be put in prison”.
“This was a blatant misrepresentation of my article,” says Torcello
Then on March 19th, it was Anders and his wottsupwiththat spawn blog now changed to andthentheresphysics blog (which is a change in name only), he still allows hate speech: Quote of the Week – get your war crimes trial tickets now!
Apparently, I’m to be “frog marched” to The Hague for war crimes like trials all for having the temerity to have an opinion about not wanting to be jailed for having a skeptical opinion about climate.
Meanwhile, back at Bar-X Hate Ranch, another fan of the Climate Certainty Channel™ embraces Torcello’s essay, and decides to turn the volume up to 11:
In “Arrest Climate Change Deniers,” Gawker writer Adam Weinstein has such gems as:
This is an argument that’s just being discussed seriously in some circles. It was laid out earlier this month, with all the appropriate caveats, by Lawrence Torcello, a philosophy professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology.
“…with all the appropriate caveats,” Well, that makes it OK then! /sarc He adds:
We have laws on the books to punish anyone whose lies contribute to people’s deaths. It’s time to punish the climate-change liars. . .
Those denialists should face jail. They should face fines. They should face lawsuits from the classes of people whose lives and livelihoods are most threatened by denialist tactics. . . Those people are criminally negligent.
So far, not a peep from the standard bearers of climate morals at DeSmog or “andthentheresphyics” about Weinstein taking Torcello’s idea and running with it.
Some reactions to Adam Weinstein’s call for jail time:
Climatistas Double Down on Stupid (Powerline)
Another Fool Calls For My Arrest: Or, Adam Weinstein Slips A Nut (William Briggs)
But wait, it gets better, the clergy steps in and provides their sanction, but just not the one we expect:
Rowan Williams warns of climate catastrophe
The former Archbishop of Canterbury argues that Western lifestyles bear the responsibility for causing climate change in world’s poorest regions
While the “chaos [of the flood] came as a shock to many”, other countries in the developing world such as Bangladesh and Kenya among others had suffered far worse catastrophes caused by climate change over many years.
Dr Williams goes on to attack global warming sceptics and climate change deniers. “There are of course some who doubt the role of human agency in creating and responding to climate change, and who argue that we should direct our efforts solely to adapting to changes that are inevitable, rather than modifying our behaviour,” says Dr Williams.
A clergyman OK with the Telegraph using the hateful term “deniers”? oof!
In other hate-related news, the left went ballistic on Nate Silver for allowing Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. to write. Fabius Maximus has a summary
The Left stages a two minute hate on Nate Silver, Roger Pielke Jr (& me)
Summary: This week many on the Left served a banquet of snark on Nate Silver and his new 538 website for the sin of posting an article by Roger Pielke Jr (Prof Environmental Studies, U CO-Boulder). An article well-supported in the climate studies literature, and consistent with the work of the IPCC (they conceal these things from their followers; least they ruin the narrative). These posts demonstrate the ineffectual tactics that have drained away the Left’s support during the past 3 decades, and after 25 years of work produced no gains in their highest-profile public policy initiative. See other posts in this series, listed below.
It seems the left was arguing more about the fact that Pielke was allowed a place to speak, than what he planned to write about climate at http://fivethirtyeight.com/ It reminded me of the uproar over my interview on PBS News Hour, where they went ballistic because I had somehow violated their perceived inner sanctum, not so much because of what I said.
Predictably, editor Nate Silver caved to pressure, and he’s now back in the good graces of the proprietors of the Climate Certainty Channel™.
And, the Anti-Defamation League is still silent:
The silence of the Anti Defamation League suggests they endorse defamation of climate skeptics
So while we wait for the next IPCC report to come out, let’s consider climate certainty and uncertainty. This graph sums it up nicely.
The boxes represent the statements of certainty from IPCC reports over time. As reality (measurements) diverge from models, becoming more uncertain, the certainty of the IPCC gets stronger, and the hateful rhetoric ramps up to match the mean.
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It could be that Adam Weinstein has a poor following and he is trying to juice his stats at Gawker by putting out intentionally offensive click-bait articles.
Nevertheless, he could argue for reintroduction of literacy tests for voters, banned by the Civil Rights Act (I think) to achieve the same results.
Adam Weinstein has had the luxury of forming his opinions and positions on these topics by taking in information and dis-information from all sides. He doesn’t think “deniers” are very dangerous to intelligent people like himself. Clearly, Weinstein does not share Rush Limbaugh’s opinion on global warming, even though he has been exposed to Limbaugh’s rants. It’s not the smart people that Weinstein is worried about – it’s all the dumb people, who might be exposed to the same ideas and come away with the wrong opinions. And those dumb people might exercise their rights to vote and/or to endorse the wrong political agendas. So just stop dumb people from voting!
What’s the difference? Squelch the opposition by arresting them, or prevent the people who might vote for the opposition from exercising their right to do so. Same thing.
It’s a dangerous, dangerous thing when people start talking this way. It shouldn’t be taken too lightly. I would suggest that Adam Weinstein should be arrested for advocating such ideas, but then … !
Skepticism always wins, eventually. Those brave souls who stood up to the popularity of eugenics were proven right. And eugenics got much further along in the ‘advanced’ countries before people were disgusted with it enough to force the eugenics believers to change their tunes.
richardscourtney says:
March 30, 2014 at 1:38 pm
“All true socialists oppose tyranny and many of us oppose the AGW scare…”
So, you’re telling me I’ve found a socialist who does not support AGW theory. Kinda’ lonesome out there, isn’t it?
[trimmed]
Khwarizmi says:
March 30, 2014 at 8:31 pm
Unfortunately, I don’t have a selective MEMRI
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You began by characterizing Iran as both moderate and tolerant. You then proceeded to use an obscure accident (over 40 years ago) that occurred in a war zone during a war that both countries involved have concluded was a terrible mistake and have been close allies ever since to disparage Israel.
Then you accuse me of propaganda and selective memory?
Sorry bud, you’re credibility is shot to pieces. You’ve been exposed for what you are.
mods – the link in
Khwarizmi says:
March 30, 2014 at 8:31 pm
is a link to a very clever hate and smear site.
The claim that this P.O.S makes is that he worked at this place. Even a couple of minutes into the video it is already clear that this place doesn’t exist, and the whole video is staged.
Stand and be counted.
“Ich bin ein Denier!”
I deny that Anthropomorphic Global Warming has any significant impact on climate.
I deny that Global Climate Change has a net negative impact on life on Earth.
I deny that Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere is a pollutant.
I deny that alternative energy sources have Socialist solutions.
I deny that any Science is Settled.
I deny that those funded by Politicians seek Scientific truth.
Anyone arrested on a charge of “climate change denial” should expect a kangaroo court, burden of proof on the defense, and rational argument of facts as evidence of guilt. Jurisprudence as exists under the US Constitution or British Magna Carta will not apply. Defend yourself accordingly.
“hunter says:
March 30, 2014 at 7:35 pm
Skepticism always wins, eventually. Those brave souls who stood up to the popularity of eugenics were proven right. And eugenics got much further along in the ‘advanced’ countries before people were disgusted with it enough to force the eugenics believers to change their tunes.”
They may have changed their tune, but they’re still singing – Planned Parenthood, et. al. Look up
Bill Gates Sr. for more on that. On another front, Soviet Russia was supposed to have fallen, but it looks like the bear may (sadly…) be coming out of hibernation.
As with CAGW, it never was about the science, it was (and is) about CONTROL, and making sure that there aren’t too many of the “wrong kind of people”. They don’t mind if a lot of people starve, die, go broke, whatever, as long as it isn’t them. The original NIMBYs…
Eternal vigilance is needed in the face of these greedy elitists – stop them one place, they pop up somewhere else (kind of like that arcade game with the prairie dogs or whatnot). The brainwashing in the media and the schools needs to be countered….persistently….
davidmhoffer,
the video that you asked to have censored was made in ISRAEL by ISRAELI JEWS.
It was not, as you grotesquely misrepresented it, a “hate site.”
I worked at a Jewish school here in Melbourne for the past 4 years (DEMONSTRABLE FACT, BUDDY), and the “hope kindergarten” parody in HEBREW with English subtitles made by JEWS in ISREAL was just as I remember the environment I worked in, thank you very much. (It appears briefly in this Australian Broadcasting Corporation documentary, incidentally)
Second time I’ve seen you successfully demand that simple truths be censored in the interests of your tribe.
Robert in Calgary, highflight56433 and Janice Moore:
Re your posts at March 30, 2014 at 1:52 pm, March 30, 2014 at 2:33 pm and March 30, 2014 at 4:37 pm, respectively.
ALL hate speech is despicable. That which you provide is NOT an exception.
And a lie is not converted into truth by your asserting it.
The AGW scare needs to be opposed because it is harmful.
The harmful scare is promoted by totalitarians across the entire political spectrum. Your false claim that the scare is a left-wing plot assists right-wingers promoting the scare. It seems that you you are more concerned to falsely smear the political left than to oppose the false AGW scare.
Yes, there have been evil left-wing people and regimes. There have also been evil right-wing people and regimes. It is a logical fallacy to argue the general from the specific.
The AGW scare is NOT a left-wing construct.
It was initiated by the right-wing Margaret Thatcher and is being used by totalitarians of all political stripes. And it is supported by ALL the main-stream UK political parties (including Thatcher’s).
As always happens whenever hate speech is raised on WUWT, this thread has been hijacked by people promoting right-wing hate speech. And those making the despicable remarks have taken to asserting that it is impolite to object to the hate!.
RichardRobert in Calgary, highflight56433 and Janice Moore:
Re your posts at March 30, 2014 at 1:52 pm, March 30, 2014 at 2:33 pm and March 30, 2014 at 4:37 pm, respectively.
ALL hate speech is despicable. That which you provide is NOT an exception.
And a lie is not converted into truth by your asserting it.
The AGW scare needs to be opposed because it is harmful.
The harmful scare is promoted by totalitarians across the entire political spectrum. Your false claim that the scare is a left-wing plot assists right-wingers promoting the scare. It seems that you you are more concerned to falsely smear the political left than to oppose the false AGW scare.
Yes, there have been evil left-wing people and regimes. There have also been evil right-wing people and regimes. It is a logical fallacy to argue the general from the specific.
The AGW scare is NOT a left-wing construct.
It was initiated by the right-wing Margaret Thatcher and is being used by totalitarians of all political stripes. And it is supported by ALL the main-stream UK political parties (including Thatcher’s).
As always happens whenever hate speech is raised on WUWT, this thread has been hijacked by people promoting right-wing hate speech. And those making the despicable remarks have taken to asserting that it is impolite to object to the hate!
Richard
Mods:
My post at March 31, 2014 at 1:51 am is awaiting moderation.
For some reason, it has duplicated. I would be grateful if you were to delete the duplication when you release it from moderation.
Richard
Claude Harvey:
At March 30, 2014 at 7:44 pm you ask me
Yes, you have “found” one of the many who are not “lonely”.
There are as many (possibly more) socialists who oppose the AGW scare that there are capitalists who oppose it. And there are certainly many more capitalists who promote the AGW scare than there are socialists who promote it.
Your ignorance and your prejudice are both showing.
Richard
so what one of the scaremongering warmist crew is going to take responsibilty for the young couple that suicided and killed their child as well due to fears of warming?
or the little old lady in the uk planning to euthanase her dog, before herself, because she didnt want him to suffer in the unbearable heat etc she was convinced was going to happen real soon>
terrified emotionally unbalanced kids from pure shite! handed out in schools and targeting kids?
Socialism works only on a small scale, such as the average family unit. The adults work to bring in the necessary funds to provide for the family, the young help out with chores and other non economic contributions. It works because they all have the same motivations and goals. Socialism breaks down as groups get larger because the motivations and goals diverge and individual groups no longer agree on what goals should take priority and how to accomplish those goals economically. That situation requires those in charge to dictate those priorities and force them on all others. In a small group or family if one does not agree with these priorities or goals they can simply leave. However, on a much larger scale such as the state or national level it may be impossible to leave and one is stuck with the consequences that are they are then forced to endure. The Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, is a prime example of what is wrong with socialism. One requirement of the Act is that all female coverages, regardless of age or condition, must provide maternity benefits and of course all females must pay for that coverage whether they need it or not. The reason is so that the cost for females who will actually use the maternity benefits will be affordable. Another part of the Act is the subsidization of younger peoples premiums by older people. This is again a forced requirement of older people to keep costs down for those younger. There are other such conditions, deemed minimum policy benefits and costs, that the Act requires people to pay for whether they need them or not. Individual freedoms and choices get trampled under the guise of “for the good of all”. By the way, for those who may not know, two conditions of the Affordable Care Act that are never discussed are policy restrictions and exclusions, and the huge deductibles. As people start to use the policies and see how much their healthcare is really going to cost, they will then find out the hard way how they have been duped into allowing a very bad law to be put into place.
That music professor in Austria, who said that all “deniers” should be executed as murderers, still has his job. He is still teaching.
Re:richardscourtney says:
March 31, 2014 at 2:16 am
“There are as many (possibly more) socialists who oppose the AGW scare that there are capitalists who oppose it. And there are certainly many more capitalists who promote the AGW scare than there are socialists who promote it.”
You’ve quit taking your meds again, haven’t you Richard?
Richard Courtney says,
“And a lie is not converted into truth by your asserting it.”
And there you go again. Are you the only person who tells the truth and only the whole truth?
Tap dancing, nit picking, winding interpretations and assumptions. It’s all…silly.
http://www.thegwpf.org/margaret-thatcher-climate-sceptic/
Does the quasi-morality of collectivism (arguably the single essential root of political socialism and of the IPCC’s political ideology used to try prevent imagined CAGW) lead necessarily to the kind of intolerance we see (in the lead post) of a collective toward independent individuals; where the intolerance is vented as hate speech? I think it does follow reasonably.
Does it take that kind of hate on a quasi-moralistic collective level to explain the unprecedented atrocities commited by collectivist (socialist) governments in the 20th century? I think it does follow logically.
There is a pre climate change era graphic I have in my files somewhere from the late ’80s or early ’90s that shows the horrific accumulated death toll from those unprecedented atrocities by collectivized (socialized) governments on their own citizens. I need to try to find it in the near future.
John
Khwarizmi says:
March 31, 2014 at 12:06 am
davidmhoffer,
the video that you asked to have censored was made in ISRAEL by ISRAELI JEWS.
It was not, as you grotesquely misrepresented it, a “hate site.”
I worked at a Jewish school here in Melbourne for the past 4 years (DEMONSTRABLE FACT, BUDDY), and the “hope kindergarten” parody in HEBREW with English subtitles made by JEWS in ISREAL.
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Ah, so you admit that you didn’t work at the school as you claimed. In fact the school doesn’t even exist as you claimed. You now admit that it is a parody, but insist it was “just like” the actual school that you actually worked at. Having lied twice in succession about the whole thing, I’m unlikely to take your now “adjusted” claim at face value.
As for the video being done by Jews in Israel, yes, there are Jews active in the creation of hate and smear material who sill stoop so low as to use children to do it. Which changes the fact that it is hate and smear material that abuses children to be created, nor does it change the lies you told about it being a real school that you worked at.
But your real agenda becomes clear here:
Second time I’ve seen you successfully demand that simple truths be censored in the interests of your tribe.
So there it is. You now try to attack me on the basis of what tribe I belong to. Can’t make the case on the facts, stand exposed for having lied about them, made the incredulous claim that Iran is a moderate and tolerant country, and having been thwarted in all of that, you turn to calling me out as a Jew.
You’re just a hater who masquerades his hate in the guise of criticism of Israel, and when he fails, lashes out at Jews.
Which changes the fact that it is hate and smear material that abuses children to be created
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Which ,i> doesn’t change the fact that it is hate and smear material that abuses children to be created
Which doesn’t change the fact that it is hate and smear material that abuses children to be created
@Robert Bisset
Listed as new mental illnesses are above-average creativity and cynicism.
I can find articles referencing this, but I can’t find anything in the actual DSM that indicates this. Do you have any further information?
Folks, as far as hate videos, etc. go, you need look no farther than 350.org (I think that’s it) and
their vid with kids in it….pure appeal to emotion, not thought.
The “pick-your-disaster-of-the-day”, be it CAGW, politics, water supply, favorite team scandal
(now we get Hoeness over here, wonder what’s next…) is just there to scare folks into giving
up their hard-earned money….
As to left or right (or one of the 15 or so parties in Italy!), it doesn’t matter – as long as we’re fighting amongst ourselves, we won’t dig deeper to see who’s pulling all the strings, or, as was said much better a while back, “follow the money”….
Thatcher (and the governments/elite/”mandarins” today) was/are only doing what they’re told, er, advised….have a look at the European Parliament (elected) versus the European Commission (unelected)…the real power exists in the European Commission, NOT the elected body.
Take a look at the meetings of the World Economic Forum in Davos (www.wef.org) and youl’ll see from where the strings are being pulled…time to light a bunch of candles in the dark, so to speak, and point them in the right direction to expose what’s really going on…let’s quit bickering and get on
with exposing the truth….
It is difficult for me to believe the author (Adam Weinstein) is as stupid as this statement makes him appear. Jail time for blocking public policies, if someone deems the public policies necessary to avoid contributing to somebody’s death? Shall we put the U.S. Democratic Party and associated apparatus in jail for blocking all efforts to get U.S. spending and borrowing under control?
Making the support of or opposition to public policies a criminal offence contradicts, with the direct crudeness of the imbecile, the basic premise of a democratic society.
I don’t think anyone is truly this stupid. I believe rubbish like this is posted merely to irritate and annoy rational people.
Mark Bofill says:
I don’t think anyone is truly this stupid. I believe rubbish like this is posted merely to irritate and annoy rational people.
No – far too many believe so strongly that they are right that they truly, deeply, believe that those who oppose them are intentionally evil and cruel, and should be punished. I’ve encountered far too much of it to reach your conclusion.