Another case of “The ends justify the means”
Submitted by Eric Worrall
Rod Lamberts, director of the Australian National Centre for Public Awareness of Science at the Australian National University, claims facts won’t win the climate debate.
Source: https://theconversation.com/facts-wont-beat-the-climate-deniers-using-their-tactics-will-24074
Rod Lamberts starts by criticising Tim Flannery, former chief of the now abolished Australian Climate Commission, for recently suggesting
“An opinion is useless, what we need are more facts.”.
(Link from Rod Lambert’s article)
https://www.facebook.com/climatecouncil/posts/10151956752276603?stream_ref=10
Rod Lamberts then works his way up to the following passage:
“What we need now is to become comfortable with the idea that the ends will justify the means. We actually need more opinions, appearing more often and expressed more noisily than ever before.”
Tim Flannery once famously gave an opinion, on air, that Australian dams and river systems would never fill again. In the wake of severe flooding on the Australian East Coast, Flannery claimed he had been misquoted – a claim which Andrew Bolt refutes.
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I do not think advertising techniques have that much power. In advertising an all pervasive background frame is always present, that is, someone is trying to sell you stuff for money to make profit for themselves. Hopefully you are also supposed to get value in exchange for your money, but that’s contingent on your ability to control your own urges, rationally analyse propositions embedded in ads and actively look for alternative sources of information. That’s okay in commerce, but it is a true disaster for “climate communications”.
For there are questions which you have a clear cut answer to from the beginning in a commercial transaction, but fail to be made explicit in climate communications miserably.
1. Who is trying to sell you stuff?
2. What is it they are trying to sell you?
3. At what price?
4. How are they going to make profit on it for themselves?
5. What is the “value” you are supposed to get in exchange for your money?
6. What hidden propositions are embedded in the message?
7. What alternative sources of information are available?
Those are tough questions and with the last one asked loudly we are right back to square one.
Canberra is known as the Socialist Democratic state of Canberra in Australia.
Populated by bureaucrats, some of whom do a mighty job.
This is just plain and simple attempting to trigger a mass scare. It is a technique that publicists have copied from the mass scare of eugenics. The scare was triggered by an unknowm psychologist, when they were given kudos for education.
The problem with shouting louder about their opinions is that they are easily shot down by the facts and observations. Sometimes their ‘facts’ are not facts but opinion which are also shot down by facts and observations.
Gavin Atkins – 2011
Asian Correspondent
“What happened to the climate refugees?”
“In 2005, the United Nations Environment Programme predicted that climate change would create 50 million climate refugees by 2010……..However, a very cursory look at the first available evidence seems to show that the places identified by the UNEP as most at risk of having climate refugees are not only not losing people, they are actually among the fastest growing regions in the world.”
There are simply too many opinions to list here. This is their problem, time and observations shoots down opinions.
“What we need now is to become comfortable with the idea that the ends will justify the means. We actually need more opinions, appearing more often and expressed more noisily than ever before.”
To say that the ends justify the means has been considered pure evil for thousands of years. It is evil. To publicly say such a thing is beyond belief. Rod Lamberts has committed aggression against both truth and morality. May Karma bring him everything he so richly deserves.
The Warmistas facts are lies and ‘adjustments’ to temperature, their opinions are worthless and not respected. Fortunately, like Flannery they give them for free. Australia will eventually have to apologise for ANU and UNSW.
What evidence? Show me the evidence that man’s greenhouse gases caused MOST of the warming of surface temperature since 1950. Also show me what caused the 1910 to 1940 similar rate of warming. If there is so much “weight of scientific evidence” then this should be easy.
“This may be in part because the Environment Minister is known to be personally extremely concerned about ocean acidification and the Prime Minister is known to be completely indifferent to it.”
Maybe that’s because oceans have to get about 6x more “acid” to match the fish-frying, coral-bleaching properties of pure tap water!
of course they say the climate message is not getting through,
What is getting through is that we are not at risk and that the alarmists are playing every game in the book to push this scam.
If they, the politicians, those suckling at the teat of public money, really believed this nonsense they would give up flying, using the car, putting on climate conferences in beautiful climbs ……
The public sees this and acts accordingly, so luckily, the alarmists, will never give up living high on the hog and we will not have to endure this nonsense for too many years longer.
Herald Sun quotes Flannery at http://www.smh.com.au/news/Opinion/Running-out-of-water–and-time/2005/04/24/1114281450815.html (April 24 2005)
” Climate change is working against Sydney. “There’s only two years’ water supply in Warragamba Dam,” says Flannery, “yet Frank Sartor [NSW Minister for Energy and Utilities] is talking about the situation being stable … If the computer models are right then drought conditions will become permanent in eastern Australia.”
… water restrictions now in force in Sydney are never going to be lifted, except after a run of freak conditions, just as Warragamba Dam is never again going to be full unless there is a freak period of high rainfall unlikely to be sustained.”
This is serious, guys. Up ’til now, they’ve been playing cricket while we skeptics/climate realists have been boxing the carp out of them. That’s the only reason we’re been winning. They’re onto us now. We’re doomed.
/sarc.
Facts inconveniently get in the way of unfounded and stupid opinions.
What is wants is a ministry of propaganda. If he read Animal Farm he could perhaps gets some good ideas for how to get it going. If I remember correctly you indoctrinate that sheep with phrases which you teach them to repeat again and again, and eventually the truth can be reversed.
I just hope they don’t learn our real secret; that while they’ve been bellowing and stomping, we’ve been beaning them with the truth. Oops.
“What we need now is to become comfortable with the idea that the ends will justify the means. We actually need more opinions, appearing more often and expressed more noisily than ever before.”
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Climateace are on to it!
Alarmists like to use the phrases “the science is clear” or “the science is settled” but you never see the science. I think the “Right Climate Stuff” team got it right when they described AGW as an unproven computer model combined with a lot of speculation.
Colorado Wellington says:
March 15, 2014 at 10:26 pm
Rod Lamberts asks for more opinion and he gets it. From the comments under his call to combat:
“… don’t drive the car sell it,
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Ahhh, yes, sell your car. See, all that damage it does to the environment won’t occur once it’s owned by someone else.
“What we need now is to become comfortable with the idea that the ends will justify the means. We actually need more opinions, appearing more often and expressed more noisily than ever before.”
For real Rod Lamberts, director of the Australian National Centre for Public Awareness of Science at the ANU? Sounds more like you’re wheeling a Trojan horse inside the public AGW-awareness. Well, who’s going to stop you?
Pay no attention to that Mann behind the curtain. We have Models that all agree there will be no more winters, the atmosphere will resemble Venus. CO2 feedback climateforcing will run away uncontrolled if the air exceeds 400ppm CO2. The tipping point is past! The oceans are boiling and became too acidic , see the coral reefs are bleached like dry bones! We will have incessant superstorms and cyclones running amok all over the earth! The 1930’s Dust Bowl will seem like a wet period compared to North America’s future droughts! Stop looking at the Mann behind the curtain, Even Ted Turner and the UN says that all our economic sustainability and ecological problems go away when 87.5% of the human population “goes away” by 2050. I guess we are not in Kansas anymore… And to think that taxpayers are funding the scarey science psychobable warmist agenda, now that is alarming!
The corollary to this argument probably is indeed true — that facts are often not effective in enlightening the CAGW faithful. If you are of the ilk who forms strong opinions from emotional testimony rather than through personal analysis of data, you might assume that this is true of your perceived adversaries as well. My guess is that Dr. Lamberts doesn’t comprehend that most CAGW skeptics simply think completely differently than he does — their thought process is fundamentally different from his own. I fear that skeptics may have a similar problem — we assume that a brainwashed alarmist can be enlightened with data and analysis. I’m not sure this is generally true.
If the facts are on your side, pound the facts into the table. If the law is on your side, pound the law into the table. If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table.
Looks like only the abuse of furniture is left for the activists.
I think the guy wearing the headphones has the right idea. When faced with a rabid screaming greenie, put on some mellow sounds and tune the screaming CAGW headcases out.
The guy’s a psych major. That says it all. A discipline that has totally failed to understand its subject matter and has resorted to pill pushing (accompanied by “professional treatment” at
two week intervals, usually paid for by the govt.). On the basis of its performnce, I vote to designate psychology to be consideredd a non-science, consisting of opinion (accompanied by reams of misleading statistics) , not knowledge. And, yes, I was a psych major once upon a time. A total waste.
Well said that man! It is so true. They point to the rising temperature graph and tell us it must be our greenhouse gases which caused most of it. Where is the evidence for that? Because they can’t think of anything else. It’s called Argumentum ad Ignorantiam.
Big Don says: March 16, 2014 at 7:44 am
“Data and analysis” is the substance of science and will survive manipulation for purposes of ideology. The “brainwashed alarmist” is the product of ideology whose ravings are best dismissed by logic and ridicule…a task made less formidable with each passing day as their pseudo-science is exposed and their desperation mounts.
It may not be true but this is how I feel.. Boo friggen hoo..
This is the part where I have to say Im sorry so I can go back to watching TV in peace..
Science right?