An Open Letter to CNN's Carol Costello on 'Why are we still debating climate change?'

Carol Costello
Carol Costello

The answer to your question is in your article.

Guest opinion by David Hoffer

Carol, in your recent CNN opinion piece, the headline was Why are we still debating climate change?”. The very first statement in the article that followed was “There is no debate”.

The answer to your question is actually right in your own article. I’ll get to that in a bit, please bear with me. I wanted to touch on your claim that there is no debate first. I’d like you to consider the following statement, which I provide with no intent of malice whatsoever, only as a means of making a point.

Carol Costello is stupid. There is no debate.

Now what would you think if you saw this in print, followed by a long explanation as to what is wrong with people who don’t agree, and a refusal to examine any facts related to the accusation? I imagine you’d be miffed. I imagine also that any examination of the facts would prove me wrong, I seriously doubt that such a statement would stand up to any fair debate of the matter. Which brings me to a question Carol:

If the facts supporting Climate Change are so obvious, should not debating the facts of the matter strengthen those facts? Just as you would be eager to prove that you are not, in fact, stupid, should you not be equally as eager to prove your opinion by engaging in factual debate?

While you ponder that, and keeping in mind that I did say the answer to your question is in your article and I would get to that, let’s examine the only fact upon which your argument rests, which is that there is a consensus among 97% of scientists. Well Carol, I read that study. Did you? I’m guessing not.

Carol, that study was done by Margaret Zimerman, who sent the survey to 10,257 Earth Scientists. Of those, 3,146 responded. Of those, Ms. Zimmerman excluded all but 77. That fact alone should have your journalistic instincts on high alert. But it gets worse. The two questions which lead to the 97% finding were:

Q1: “When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?”   76 of 79 (96.2%) answered “risen.”

Q2: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”   75 of 77 (97.4%) answered “yes.”

The problem here Carol is that they should have gotten 100% to both questions. The earth has been warming since the Little Ice Age which was 400 years ago. So obviously the answer to the first question would be “risen” even if human influence was zero. As for the second question, you may be surprised to learn that all but a tiny fraction of skeptics agree that rising temperatures are, in part, due to human activity. You see Carol, the debate about climate change is not a simple matter of “yes” or “no”. It is much more nuanced than that. There are questions relating to order of magnitude of change, endangerment related to any change that does occur, and in regard to strategies of mitigation versus adaptation. That study did nothing to determine consensus opinion on any of the central matters of the climate debate. It is not only contrived, but nearly meaningless. But I digress.

You go on to quote studies categorizing the population. I said I’d show you the answer to your headline question in your own article. Well, here it is. Your article goes on to quote results from Anthony Leiserowitz, who categorizes the population as follows:

  • Alarmed (16%)
  • Concerned (27%)
  • Cautious (23%)
  • Disengaged (5%)
  • Doubtful (12%)
  • Dismissive (15%)

Well that hardly seems like a consensus. In fact you go on to claim that the Dismissives are a powerful, well funded, well organized lobby group who are muddying the debate. Well Carol, if the facts are so powerfully on one side of the debate, why begin your opinion piece by categorically insisting that there is no debate? If there is no debate, how is it that only 16% of the citizenry are alarmed? Why, by the definitions in your own article, do 82% of the people think that climate change is something that won’t, for various reasons, have a direct effect on their lives?

But most importantly Carol, if you want to change their minds, would not an open and honest debate of the facts be your most powerful weapon? Are you going to let me accuse you of being stupid, or would you like to prove me wrong?

Lastly Carol, you sum up your article on this statement:

“The good news is, those uninformed minority voices are being quieted by nature and by those who have powerful voices.”

Well Carol, on that second point, I will allow that you are correct. Powerful voices (like yours) are eager to stifle the debate. Oddly, your own article points out the importance of having one if you want the facts as you see them to prevail. Will you use your powerful voice to that end? Or shall we call you stupid, insist there is no debating the matter, and call it a day?

But more importantly Carol, the first part of your statement is wrong. It is a simple matter to see that when one looks at the data, all the predictions of the “consensus” science have failed. Arctic ice retreat has stopped, and Antarctic ice has hit record levels. On a global basis, hurricanes and tornadoes have declined in both frequency and severity. According to the temperature records kept by the “consensus” scientist themselves, the earth hasn’t warmed in close to two decades, despite ever rising levels of CO2. Nature in fact is taking sides in this debate, and not the side you seem to think.

Even the United Nations IPCC, which is consensus climate science central for the world, now admits in their recent report (IPCC AR5) that the climate models themselves are wrong. It is their expert opinion that sensitivity to CO2 lies well below the model estimates. What are the models based upon Carol, if not the science? And if the best scientists in the world, in their capacity as advisors to the United Nations and world governments alike, are collectively stating that the models and the science the models are built on are in doubt, does that not deserve public debate?

Even among the “consensus” scientists themselves Carol, there is now considerable doubt about the science. Does that not give you pause to reconsider your position?

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adrian smits
February 26, 2014 1:37 am

I will take odds she does not reconsider her position!

tallbloke
February 26, 2014 1:39 am

Hoff, well constructed letter. The New York Times ought to publish it. Oh, wait a minute…
The merchants of ‘debate is over’ are not rationalists. They are authoritarians. They appeal to the authority of specious arguments, and demand you accept them.
How many fingers am I holding up Ms Costello?
That’s right.
Two.

February 26, 2014 1:41 am

It’s obvious the climate is changing. Plant growth is up, hurricanes & tornadoes are down, fewer people will die of cold. What’s not to like?
We’ve had Global Cooling, Global Warming and now Climate Change. I suggest we call it ‘Climate Improvement’ and stop trying to prevent it.

Phil Ford (UK)
February 26, 2014 1:51 am

An excellent, clear, concise and polite piece, Mr Hoffer. I only wish there was some way to get such clarity a wider audience in the MSM. Many thanks!

Ed Zuiderwijk
February 26, 2014 1:52 am

The answer to the last question is simply: no.
Not because she is stupid, but because she is a coward. Answering: yes would imply that everything she believed in for the past decades could have been wrong.
And she doesn’t dare to contemplate that possibility.

February 26, 2014 1:52 am

If the debate were over CNN would not host a debate to debate how the debate is over.
If the debate were over CNN would host a debate on what to do about the problem Mitigation, adaptation, how much of each, at what costs, where, how etc etc.
But that would expose unavoidable rifts and perhaps incompatible opinions – much easier to rally the inevitably little-informed greeenie troops against evil skeptics. Even if that contributes zero to a problem about which, after all, they think the debate is over.
Wasting time on the biggest threat humanity has ever faced? This is criminal behavior.

Alan Robertson
February 26, 2014 1:52 am

Ms. Costello,
I am dismayed by your opinion piece, linked above, and could not finish reading it. If you are interested in creating and maintaining a reputation for veracity and an unflinching dedication to the pursuit of truth, then you just suffered a setback.

Manfred
February 26, 2014 1:57 am

Does anyone still watch CNN ?
Well perhaps. if you want to test your TV’s volume, when that loudspeaker guy shouts again without modulation, or if you want to learn a new foreign accent from one of the other presenters, or just get an impression, how the US oligarchs justify the next intervention in support of Al Kaida linked freedom fighters….

Matt
February 26, 2014 1:59 am

Nice post, David!
Having read Carol Costellos opinion piece on CNN yesterday it makes one sad about where we are today – not enough to have all science courses forgotten, but the proudness to share the lack of understanding on CNN with the world is something special. The term “Global Warming” seems to disppear for “Climate Change” – easier to say that cold, warm, rain, lack of rain, wind, flood etc can all be attributed to that Change.
Nice also to see her funny explanation that the earth is continuing to warm, but recorded temperatures couldn’t show that for some 16 years now, because the heat is going straight into the oceans, as a kind of independent/educated decision by mother earth to fool mankind. The 97% bogus claim – thanks also for that, so there were 2,5 pct of the answers selected, and only those “suitable” were than taken into acct. That’s outright funny and worth telling.
Again thanks for that nice answer – on the other one has to admit, that she offered a lot of easy wins for you.

JB Goode
February 26, 2014 2:04 am

“Just as you would be eager to prove that you are not, in fact, stupid,”
That’s beautiful Anthony.LOL

richard
February 26, 2014 2:04 am

she is told what to say and think so there will be no debate.

February 26, 2014 2:05 am

A fine article. DH writes:
Nature in fact is taking sides in this debate, and not the side you seem to think.
That’s the bottom line, isn’t it? Planet Earth — the ultimate Authority — stopped warming more than 17 years ago. That’s a long time to keep a Chicken Little scare alive.
Mother Nature trumps all the opinions of wannabe experts, and that is who we will listen to in the end, not Carol Costello, who is only parotting the bogus “carbon” scare narrative.

Lil Fella from OZ
February 26, 2014 2:05 am

Well written piece. Ms Costello will not doubt push it aside.

February 26, 2014 2:07 am

Read this recently:
If someone says the debate is over, then you can be certain it is not, and they are losing.

Dodgy Geezer
February 26, 2014 2:09 am

Carol Costello is stupid. There is no debate.
Now what would you think if you saw this in print, followed by a long explanation as to what is wrong with people who don’t agree, and a refusal to examine any facts related to the accusation? I imagine you’d be miffed. …

Actually, it’s a bit worse than that. To be more accurate, the example given would have to read:
Carol Costello is stupid. There is no debate. If you try to start one, or if I believe that you do not subscribe to this position, I will get you banned from publishing, thrown out of your job, and threatened with violence…

February 26, 2014 2:09 am

The whole idea of the 97% concensus is just propaganda and stupidity. There is more disagreement about what causes climate change than there is in cancer research or how to prevent heart disease with better diet.
It is time the authoritarians who want to shut down all debate to show some backbone and really debate the matter. Could we get Dr. M. Mann and Dr. Tim Ball on a stage and let them debate the issue? I would pay to see that. Of course others could think of many such pairings that would be fun and informative to watch. How about Watts and Gavin?
The “shut down the debate” crowd are just admitting that the fact are against them.

klem
February 26, 2014 2:13 am

Carol and her producers know full well that climate alarmism is a political position, a left position. And I’ll wager this article was posted in anticipation of the upcoming mid-term elections. CNN is announcing their Democrat credentials, they are taking sides.
I regularly visit alarmist websites and recently I have noticed I’m getting banned from sites that I have had no issues with for at least the last 8 months. It looks like the alarmist sites are starting to gird themselves and they seem to be clearing their sites of any right wing pests.
I might be wrong about this, but I think the mid-terms are a motivation for this behavior and Carol’s article.

Chuck Nolan
February 26, 2014 2:25 am

Manfred says:
February 26, 2014 at 1:57 am
Does anyone still watch CNN ?
Well perhaps. if you want to test your TV’s volume, when that loudspeaker guy shouts again without modulation, or if you want to learn a new foreign accent from one of the other presenters, or just get an impression, how the US oligarchs justify the next intervention in support of Al Kaida linked freedom fighters….
————————————————————————
Al Kaida…….no way. Freedom fighters fight for Freedom!

Chuck Nolan
February 26, 2014 2:26 am

Forgot to add:
Nice post Anthony. You’re absolutely right.
cn

February 26, 2014 2:31 am

Not only is a brain not a necessary requirement to be a politician, you don’t need one to be a TV ‘personality’ either.

Brian H
February 26, 2014 2:35 am

JB Goode says:
February 26, 2014 at 2:04 am
“Just as you would be eager to prove that you are not, in fact, stupid,”
That’s beautiful Anthony.LOL

Lol indeed. Hard question for you: who actually wrote this post? Hint: not Anth_ny.

Martin
February 26, 2014 2:40 am

David Hoffer says:
“While you ponder that, and keeping in mind that I did say the answer to your question is in your article and I would get to that, let’s examine the only fact upon which your argument rests, which is that there is a consensus among 97% of scientists. Well Carol, I read that study. Did you? I’m guessing not.”
Unfortunately for David he then said “Carol, that study was done by Margaret Zimerman” when in fact the study that Carol linked to was the recent SKS one below, not the 2008 Doran/Zimmerman one.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/may/16/climate-change-scienceofclimatechange

Cheshirered
February 26, 2014 2:42 am

Ed Zuiderwijk says:
February 26, 2014 at 1:52 am
“The answer to the last question is simply: no. Not because she is stupid, but because she is a coward. Answering: yes would imply that everything she believed in for the past decades could have been wrong. And she doesn’t dare to contemplate that possibility.”
Great comment, Ed, right on the bulls eye.
AGW advocates cannot face the truth as it dawns that their theory is grossly exaggerated, if not entirely bogus. Not because of the policies they’ve enacted, or the absurd costs of those policies, either. No, the single biggest obstacle here is pride & the trashing of their reputation.
Imagine; you’re a high profile climate advocate / commentator / politico and EVERYTHNG you ever oh-so-assertively stated about ‘global warming’ for the last 20 years was suddenly demonstrated to be completely incorrect. Your career, your reputation, your legacy, your credibility, everything you’ve ever worked for, has just gone ‘pop’.
It has nothing to do with evidence, as that is falling against the theory in spades. It’s their reputation. That’s why they won’t change their minds, or even be open to allowing a debate. As Ed said, cowards.

February 26, 2014 2:45 am

Well said.
Can I have that with Cheese and Some Green frye (com).
One way to look at this is the Christian Crusades. Centuries of stupid. You can’t fix stupid.
Paul

JB Goode
February 26, 2014 2:46 am

I think you’re being a bit hard on Carol here folks,how is she expected to do her homework when she’s got her nails and her hair and her shoes and a visit to the panelbeaters to worry about.

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