There’s a lot of hullabaloo recently about Natural Gas being too leaky to be a good substitute for coal. The claim is based on the fact that methane has a much larger GHG potential than carbon dioxide. But, the study those claims are based on can be interpreted two ways. I tend to think that the leak issue might be overblown, because if you are a producer, leaks mean money literally going into thin air. There’s a high incentive to fix leaks. Abandoned oil and gas wells, cited in the study, would of course be an exception.
The other reason is the IPCC, which produced this graph in the AR5 draft showing that methane just isn’t cooperating with models, and measurements are out of bounds with projections. Methane just doesn’t seem to be much of a problem:
From The National Renewable Energy Laboratory:
JISEA News: Study on Methane Emissions from Natural Gas Systems Indicates New Priorities
Study findings published in Policy Forum of Journal Science
A new study published in the journal Science says that the total impact of switching to natural gas depends heavily on leakage of methane (CH4) during the natural gas life cycle, and suggests that more can be done to reduce methane emissions and to improve measurement tools which help inform policy choices.
Published in the February 14 issue of Science, the study, “Methane Leaks from North American Natural Gas Systems,” presents a first effort to systematically compare North American emissions estimates at scales ranging from device-level to continental atmospheric studies. Because natural gas emits less carbon dioxide during combustion than other fossil fuels, it has been looked to as a ‘bridge’ fuel to a lower carbon energy system.
“With this study and our larger body of work focusing on natural gas and our transforming energy economy, we offer policymakers and investors a solid analytical foundation for decision making,” said Doug Arent, executive director of the Joint Institute for Strategic Energy Analysis (JISEA) and a co-author to the study. “While we found that official inventories tend to under-estimate total methane leakage, leakage rates are unlikely to be high enough to undermine the climate benefits of gas versus coal.”
The article was organized by Novim with funding from the Cynthia and George Mitchell Foundation and led by Stanford University’s Adam Brandt. It was co-written by researchers from Stanford University, JISEA, Energy Department’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), University of Michigan, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, University of Calgary, U.S. State Department, Harvard University, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, University of California Santa Barbara, and the Environmental Defense Fund.
“Recent life cycle assessments generally agree that replacing coal with natural gas has climate benefits,” said Garvin Heath, a senior scientist at the NREL and a lead author of the report. “Our findings show that natural gas can be a bridge to a sustainable energy future, but that bridge must be traversed carefully. Current evidence suggests leakages may be larger than official estimates, so diligence will be required to ensure that leakage rates are actually low enough to achieve sustainability goals.”
Among other key findings of the research:
• Official inventories of methane leakage consistently underestimate actual leakage.
• Evidence at multiple scales suggests that the natural gas and oil sectors are important contributors.
• Independent experiments suggest that a small number of “super-emitters” could be responsible for a large fraction of leakage.
• Recent regional atmospheric studies with very high emissions rates are unlikely to be representative of typical natural gas system leakage rates.
• Hydraulic fracturing is not likely to be a substantial emissions source, relative to current national totals.
• Abandoned oil and gas wells appear to be a significant source of current emissions.
• Emissions inventories can be improved in ways that make them a more essential tool for policymaking.
JISEA is operated by the Alliance for Sustainable Energy, LLC on behalf of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, the University of Colorado – Boulder, the Colorado School of Mines, the Colorado State University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Stanford University.

Then there’s all that organic carbon emitting methane under the Antarctic ice sheet. Suggested to contain “more than ten times the size of carbon stocks in northern permafrost regions”:
http://news.ucsc.edu/2012/08/antarctic-methane.html
(Of course it’ll probably turn out to be another “worse than we thought”).
Since my first over zealous comment I have found out that humans are responsible for most of the methane emissions. Annual emissions 320 million tonnes. On a global scale this is a negligible number – not impressed.
IPCC projections V observations. Nothing to see here.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ipcc_ar5_draft_fig1-7_methane.png
chris donnolley says:
February 18, 2014 at 6:43 pm
I don’t see any views here that disagree with your claims. You challenge conventional climate change science, but do you allow those scientists the opportunity to respond? If not, then I cannot see how this can be a serious nor honest scientific site that deserves to be taken seriously.
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Scientists are free to respond to anything Mr Watts posts here and some of them do.
What exactly is ‘conventional’ climate change science?
sounds to me like they are creating the next vehicle to regulate and restrict energy development.
If you want control of the masses, you teach children something is bad and in 15 or 20 years they willingly hand over control of it. The AGW crowd started with CO2 which is now called carbon pollution. Now we start with methane and treat it as a dirty nasty pollutant. The science doesn’t really matter, you just have to say it long enough and loud enough to make it stick in the mind of a child.
You can win every battle over the science and still lose the war because of the propaganda. Once children are taught something is dirty and bad, very few will ever see those things as something natural and useful.
What does a 10 year old picture in their mind when they hear carbon pollution, dead polar bears and nasty black smoke stacks. Methane is now shown as flaring and white smoke stacks to every child. That is the war the AGW crowd is fighting.
One study I read stated that 40% of global methane production comes from rice cultivation.
One reason methane is not cooperating is that water management techniques for wet rice production have changed in some parts of the world. http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090818/full/news.2009.833.html
Seems if you use less water you get less methane and greater tonnage of rice. Plus there is more land available than water. So it makes sense to increase land under cultivation and change water management techniques to spread the water usage over more area.
It should be easy to determine how much of the CH4 in the atmosphere comes from natural gas and how much from cows, rice-paddies, swamps etc. CH4 from organic sources will contain radiocarbon (C14), fossil CH4 won’t.
Anthony,
That chart comparing CH4 model projections to observations is a killer, but where does it come from? Without a link to verify source, I CAN’T USE IT! Please kindly supply link or reference. Thanks.
I don’t understand. Methane absorbs radiation in the 7.6um band. That’s 381K or 226.13F. So what’s the problem with it being a GHG? What danger does it represent in the atmosphere? it doesn’t absorb in the same bands that earth emits (220K/-63.67F to 320K/116.33F). Seems to me the big problem is underground mines, where heat could cause an explosion.
[Ron Manley says:, February 18, 2014 at 5:18 pm. You wrote about CO4: “It is also at a point in the spectrum where long-wave energy is half that of the much wider band where CO2 operates.” CO2 operates around 13.5um-15um (214K/-74.47F to 193K/-112.27F). Doesn’t the long-wave radiation get stronger with a smaller micron number? Or am I not understanding you? http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/ir/light_em_spectrum.jpg ]
Why don’t you wait for an answer to your question before loading the balls in the cannon? Better yet, read the archives, or search for your favorite ‘conventional climate change scientist’ to see if he or she was treated fairly or scientifically.
tty says:
February 19, 2014 at 7:35 am
It’s fairly simple to determine the proportion, but since we only have poor estimates on the actual volumes emitted (this is because the emissions estimates are calculated from bizarrely long residence-time calculations, which are themselves based on the poor emissions estimates) it’s basically impossible to get at the amounts.
This is beyond belief. Do these fools think that gas mains, installations and pipelines are the same as water mains?
In the hope of eliminating, or at least slowing down, wasteful, inane studies like this one, I propose that all universities, colleges, “green” energy companies, “green” think tanks, and the offices of all elected democrat politicians can only be heated, cooled and lighted by energy produced by “renewable” sources.
chris donnolley says:
February 18, 2014 at 6:43 pm
I don’t see any views here that disagree with your claims. You challenge conventional climate change science, but do you allow those scientists the opportunity to respond? If not, then I cannot see how this can be a serious nor honest scientific site that deserves to be taken seriously.
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You wouldn’t happen to be ‘waxliberty’, by any chance, would you? I have been in a dialogue with him over the last 5 days on a CNN article. I had suggested to him that he should voice his opinion here if he really had something to say other than denigrating anything that is even remotely related to this site.
Either way what a classic example of saying less than absolutely nothing. Do you have any thoughts in regards to the premise and intent of the post itself? I am a gambler. I would bet that I am right in this regard.
Tom G(ologist) says:
February 18, 2014 at 7:05 pm
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That is excellent information for an argument in a debate.
“”””””…….davidmhoffer says:
February 18, 2014 at 10:14 pm
george e. smith
Why don’t the folks who say it is 20x co2, simply show the full set of figures that prove that.
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They did, but my link to the paper was two computers ago. ……..””””
Thanks much David. Your lucid recap, fully explains why the hell I never could make head nor tail of it. I put it alongside “Murder on the Orient Express.” as one of the most baffling whodunit tales of all time.
Thanx again.
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From “the science is settled dept.”
Several posters above refer to estimates of the GHG potential of CH4 as being 20 times that of CO2 (without clarity as to whether this is per mole or per tonne of gas). This report of the present study refers to a Cornell paper that claims the factor is 72 on a 20 year horizon:
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2014/02/natural-gas-emissions-are-being-underestimated-new-study/
while the UNFCCC quotes a factor of 56 for a 20 year horizon (allowing for the daughter products of chemical decay), and 21 for 100 years, again without stating the basis for relativity:
http://unfccc.int/ghg_data/items/3825.php
Wikepedia clarifies that GWPs are measured relative to mass, and then goes on to quote the variations in estimates over recent IPCC reviews. For CH4, they estimated 62 in 2001, 72 in 2007 and 86 in 2013, with the 100 year factors rising from 23 to 25 to 34.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global-warming_potential
The use of mass is a peculiarity, given that the Boyle’s Law gas equation is couched in molar fashion:
PV=nRT
Is this more Political Science?
Policycritic:
Blackbody radiation occurs at all wavelengths, not just the temperature of the peak, in accordance with Planck’s Law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%27s_law
Molecular absorption and emission is split between relatively sharply defined spectral lines that are associated with transitions between different quantum energy levels of electron orbits, and rather broader ones that are the absorption of energy by vibration modes of the molecule, where is behaves rather like masses on springs for the molecular bonds – indeed for simple molecules you can get a good first approximation by modelling them as exactly that, using Hooke’s Law and simple harmonic motion equations.
“Why is “CH4 20X as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2?”
Wow! I thought for sure some one would come up with it.
This is an issue that illustrates the point that propagandists can assert B.S. with an authoritative voice and get away with it.
This website is regularly populated by some very smart people and yet here we all are flailing around not knowing why CH4 is 20X as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2, yet it seems to be taken as a matter of faith that it is. Begs the question as to what else is being swallowed whole hog without nary a thought about the validity of what’s being claimed under the mantle of scientific authority.
I did the search some time ago, and I did get an answer that sort of made sense, but really needs some discussion to flesh it out. But, I’m going to be coy about it for a while. Don’t like that? Sue me (-:
Maybe Anthony knows and he’s just sitting back watching.
“Wow! I thought for sure some one would come up with it.
This is an issue that illustrates the point that propagandists can assert B.S. with an authoritative voice and get away with it.
This website is regularly populated by some very smart people and yet here we all are flailing around not knowing why CH4 is 20X as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2, yet it seems to be taken as a matter of faith that it is. ”
See the document I linked to. it’s not that complicated.
Steve Case says:
This website is regularly populated by some very smart people and yet here we all are flailing around not knowing why CH4 is 20X as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2
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Isn’t that what makes this site so great? There is no assumption of knowing it all, or let’s all settle on this explanation and call it a day. Rather, the thought always leads to ‘how can we flesh this out?’, and by sharing the bits and pieces of relevant information that might lead to the spark of realization and discovery. The other side does the opposite.
Mosher at 7:07
Your link says it’s because CH3 oxidizes to CO2.
OK. I hadn’t read your link
The answer I got some time ago, perhaps a year or more, was that it’s because there isn’t much CH3 in the atmosphere. What ever climate sensitivity it has, it doesn’t take much to result in a doubling of CH3 concentration. So a small increase will run the temperature up more than CO2 would simply due to the fact that its concentration would double sooner.
CH3 = CH4 I hate making dumb errors
@papiertigre-Yes, this has become a bit of a problem for efforts to resolve the faint young sun paradox: at sufficiently high levels of methane in the atmosphere you actually start to get an organic haze that develops and causes a cooling effect. We are nowhere near the level of methane that would form a haze.
@george e. smith-I don’t think you full grasp just how many more molecules a part per billion is versus a part per million. There are something like 1.09*10^44 molecules in the atmosphere. Methane is roughly 2 parts per million, something like 2.18e+38 molecules. CO2 is roughly 400 parts per million 4.36e+40 parts molecules. Taking into account their molecular weights, all the CO2 in the atmosphere has about 12 times as much mass as CH4. The 20 times figure no longer seems so impressive, since it would require the amount of CH4 to increase 12 fold to actually be 20 times as large as the effect of the amount of CO2.
“””””…..timetochooseagain says:
February 19, 2014 at 9:47 pm
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@george e. smith-I don’t think you full grasp just how many more molecules a part per billion is versus a part per million. …..”””””
Well don’t look at me; twas you that mentioned “parts per billion”, not me.
And as it happens; I’m quite sure that YOU…..””..don’t fully grasp just how many more molecules a part per billion is versus a part per million. …..”””””
I figured out half a century ago that it was 0.001 !