Paging Lord Deben
I had debated with myself a couple of days as to whether or not to cover this particular bit of ugliness, after it first being brought to my attention by Bishop Hill. But then, Lord Deben of the UK made this observation:
I challenge Lord Deben to find examples of climate skeptics doing anything remotely close to this sort of ugliness that is much like of the tactics of the Klu Klux Klan – showing up at somebody’s house with mask covered faces, torches, and a threat:
Source:
‘The People’ Confront Enbridge Executive In Solidarity With MI CATS 3
http://www.tarsandsblockade.org/enbridge-home-demo/
(update: their website is no longer serving that page, so here it is as a PDF Tar Sands Blockade – Enbridge )
One of these days, they’ll show up at the wrong house, like their comrades did with the wrong petrol station, and the person inside won’t be as tolerant as Mr. Maki was, and that won’t be pretty:
In case Lord Deben doesn’t know, this “tar sands blockade” is an organization that is part of Bill McKibben’s 350.org and their mission to stop Keystone XL due to their concerns about the supposed effect on the climate.
(Update: Amazingly, McKibben supported this action, see screencap below)
And, perhaps Lord Deben doesn’t recall this example of ugliness from like minded people in the UK on climate, who decided that blowing up school children would be a great way to get the message of climate obedience and compliance across:
It was so bad, 10:10 tried to disappear it, but they were unsuccessful.
And, maybe Lord Deben hasn’t seen this:
Lefty Feud Over Keystone Worsens, Ed Schultz Telling Enviros to ‘Go to Hell’
It seems even the left leaning media is realizing the KXL people are going off the rails.
I challenge Lord Deben to find similar examples from climate skeptics. I’ll even given you a guest essay here to highlight it if you like.
Reference:
‘your journey towards the dark side will be complete’ with apologies to “Emperor Palpatine”
@Gail.
Cancer rates are a combination of diagnostic ability, diet, alcohol consumption and physical activity. It’s quite likely (can I say “very likely”) that diet is the most important factor. These all “favour” rich countries.
Highest cancer rates:
1. Denmark
2. Ireland
3. Australia
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/24/worldwide-cancer-rates-uk-rate-drops
You can’t have a discussion about cancer in Texas without talking about the health (and weight) of the average Texan. Are they out hunting for their dinner on a horse with bow and arrow or riding into town in the F-150 headed for the local rib-shack for an all-u-can-eat fiesta?
If you want to be involved in this debate, as in confronting the other side of the debate, you need to develop a thick skin, because there are insults and ad homs etc. coming from all sides.
Those on the pro-AGW side, the greens, the enviros, are usually the worst at defaulting to insults and intimidation. It is what they are about when they don’t get their way, when someone disagrees with them But this is mainly because they are coming from an emotional-thinking base versus a logical-evidence-based-do-no-harm-first basis. Emotive thinking versus logical thinking.
Thick skins people. Its usually a good trait to have. But there is always a possibility that it will come to a point when one needs to throw-down. Its usually good to be able to do that as well.
Why do those young people in the video remind me of Jonestown and Branch Davidian cult members? (Young people are so naïve and gullible, aren’t they?)
Why do 350.org, Greenpeace, the WWF and other eco-NGOs keep reminding me of the Jonestown and Branch Davidian cults?
Why do Bill McKibben, Michael Mann, Lord Deben, etc…keep reminding me of Jim Jones and David Koresh?
Why do I keep thinking about that poisoned Kool-Aid at Jonestown?
Why, whenever I’m arguing with a green eco-lefty, do I keep feeling like a religious heretic?
Why…….
Personally I call BS on Gareth Phillips’ claimed lack of identity. I’ve searched the Web, and can’t find anything that appears to relate to the persona he claims, apart from the one he is being ‘accused’ of being.
To be a “fairly prolific blogger on all shades of the climate debate” and have no trace on Google is quite an achievement.
Gareth, I am sure you would not object these “prolific” blog posts being identified instead of your mysteriously private blog (although I respect that privacy). If so, could you let us see these posts, if for nothing else to stop the useless debate?
9 Feb: Sun News, Canada: Ezra Levant: Charities have no place in Suzuki’s political theatre
Last fall, three anti-oilsands lobby groups hosted the “Trial of Suzuki.” It was a strange gimmick — a mock trial wherein David Suzuki would be “prosecuted” for treason because of his environmentalist views…
But why was this PR gimmick co-sponsored by the Royal Ontario Museum, a public institution using taxpayers’ money? The ROM is a non-political charity. Its mandate is to be educational, not political.
It’s one thing for lobby groups to rent a room at the ROM to have their own event. But that didn’t happen. Suzuki’s lobby group, the $10-million-a-year David Suzuki Foundation, and another environmentalist group called the Ivey Foundation, and a foreign anti-oil lobby group called the Cape Farewell Foundation, got the room for free. More than that, they had the labour of a dozen ROM staff – paid for by taxpayers. And the ROM put their logo on the whole thing.
Since when do museums take sides in ongoing political debates?…
Who gets to choose the ROM’s political views?
In this case, the answer is Dave Ireland and Bep Schippers. They’re global warming activists who work as executives at the ROM. According to ROM e-mails obtained by the Sun, last summer Ireland wrote an e-mail to Schippers showing her the proposal for the Suzuki stunt, saying: “hey Bep, in confidence, check this out… freakin cool idea… I agree with Suzuki’s manifesto.”
Schippers wrote right back: “Hey Dave. Super freaking cool idea and we are going to make it happen no matter what. It’s the edgiest thing the ROM has been involved in since the history of the ROM and the only way we would be able to pull something like this off is with a partnership like this.” As in, to team up with three anti-oil lobby groups.
Schippers was clearly aware that this was outside the ROM’s rules of partisanship: “It may be rocky – but totally worth it in the end. I’m willing to rock the internal boat on this one.”
And here’s the exact moment when the ROM ceased to be a museum and officially became a partisan anti-oil lobby group:
“We the ROM shouldn’t have to be neutral. We are allowed to take sides — it’s science man,” wrote Schippers…
Free speech, right? But do taxpayers a favour – don’t make us pay for it through government
John Gummer (Lord Deben) may be a nutter but he was right about the Mad Cow Disease scare. This started in 1996 when Stephen Dorrell the then Secretary of State for Health stated that there might be a connection between new variant CJD and BSE which had been affecting Britains dairy herds. This statement set in train such hysteria that the the British beef industry was practically destroyed. All exports were banned and hundreds of thousands of cattle were slaughtered and burned. This scheme alone cost tax payers 4 billion pounds and wider damage by further regulations would cost billions more.
Cristopher Booker on his book ‘Scared to Death’ wriote;
‘ In May 1997 after predicting that the number of deaths from vCJD could eventually rise to 500,000, Dr Pattison (Chairman of the Spongiform Encephalopathy Advisory Committee) confessed that his epidemic was not going to take place after all. This extraordinary cimbdown attracted virtually no notice from the media’
Sound famiiar?
I would like to ask American (U.S. of A) readers of this blog if you have heard murmurs of plans to escape the horrendous conditions of dry weather now being experienced in southern California by loading up vehicles with weapons and heading on down north to Canada?
According to my The Vancouver Sun in an article in yesterdays paper, this is a real threat:
http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/Pete+McMartin+Climate+change+migration+adaptation/9483266/story.html
My understanding is that Canada and the U.S.A does over a billion dollars a day of trade between our two countries. According to the article, you are going to slaughter your northern customers and take over our homes and farms and somehow fit 10 times the number of people into an area that only has one tenth of the infrastructure to support this influx of climate change refugees. Apparently the largest migration of people in history will take place, orders of magnitude larger than the entire world war 2 deployment of American troops to fight the war. Trillions and trillions of dollars will have to be expended to carry out this massive migration. Wouldn’t it be cheaper to spend a billion dollars or so and build a desalination plant instead of implementing plan F ?
Or is this The Vancouver Sun writer an idiot, a typical warmist?
Masked intimidation is just the prelude. Have a look at what other like-minded people have been doing:
http://earthfirstjournal.org/eco-prisoner-list/
In Lord Deben’s case, you are striking closer to the bone than you may realize.
The truth no longer matters. They are now trying to start a meme. At the risk of incurring Godwin’s law, that is what occurred with Krystal Nacht. The truth did not matter. The meme was all.
garymount says: @ur momisugly February 9, 2014 at 5:14 pm
I would like to ask American (U.S. of A) readers of this blog if you have heard murmurs of plans to escape the horrendous conditions of dry weather now being experienced in southern California by loading up vehicles with weapons and heading on down north to Canada?….
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Why ever would I do that? I LEFT New Hampshire to get away from the cold and snow shoveling and relocated in North Carolina where it is a WARM, well mostly.
As far as the Californians go, they want to BAN guns and the Texans are used to drought and innovative enough to put in desalinization plants if needed.
@Gail Combs
How’s that warm doing for you today and tomorrow? 😉
I find it difficult to understand why these people cannot understand that when they break the law, they will face the consequences. It is not a difficult concept. Just because they claim to be ‘saving the planet’ or any other cause, this does not give them the right to break laws with impunity.
They then play the victim, and harass this guy to try to get him to pervert the course of justice (in itself a crime) to prevent the criminals who have been tried and found guilty by a jury of their own peers, to be released. It’s like arguing with children.
In reading the comments on various articles on climate issues around the internet, there are plenty of people who engage in uncivil debate…on both sides. Having said that, anyone who uses the term “d*nier” has absolutely no room to ask others to remain civil. Yes, that means you Lord Deben.
The ones on the “left coast” of the U.S. A. will not go north.
1. The goverment checks are issued and mailed in Calif.
2. They think Canada is full of crazy hicks worse than the hicks in the U.S. South and Texas.
3. Not enough surf.
4. No movie stars.
5. No kook University to be paid hack Climate Change PHD.
6. The voter rolls are not stacked like they need.
7. They will shoot up the locals first and take what they have before they even think of the trouble of going north.
8. The Democrat Party will not give them a “vote release” to vote any where else.
9. There are not enough cell phone towers to handle the “facebook post”.
10. They know those in Canada are armed and know how to fire the guns.
the url for the Ezra Levant/Sun News/ Suzuki piece which doesn’t seem to have gone through:
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2014/02/20140209-074950.html
I have met the Gareth Phillips types back in the Greenpeace days.
I know how to set them off and when I do they blow up and cause a real stink.
Just let it smolder a bit, it will get bored and go away.
Took about 60 seconds to find one list showing 133 “gareth phillips”
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/dir/?first=Gareth&last=Phillips
As to the subject of this thread, I’ve been following the pipeline issue with interest for some time. My domicile near the proposed right-of-way allows easy access to a public library with a subscription to the Omaha World-Herald daily newspaper. For those seeking info on the pipeline before the issue became a national political farce/football, then I suggest a search starting about five years ago in that newspaper.
There is nothing whatever of technical interest in the Keystone pipeline except that the enviros decided to pour their political capital into the issue, and that an aging multi-billionaire lives in Omaha. The aging billionaire purchased a large stake in the rail transportation industry that transports oil from canada to texas just before the already planned pipeline was about to be approved around 2010.
It’s ironic that the enviros think that opposing the pipeline is “environmentally friendly” when rail tankers that already carry crude oil are causing far more damage and death than any pipeline would. Even if there were no rail accidents for 40 years, oil transport by pipeline is far more energy efficient than rail transport, so far less CO2 would end up in the atmosphere.
On empty chairs and what Clint Eastwood said,,,
We have a soon to be empty poster slot.
How about a brief count.
1. Al Gore
2. John Kerry
3. Bill Clinton
4. Ms Clinton
5. B. Obama
How many of the lie a lot.
How many vote for Climate Change weath redistribution.
If any of the Endoftime Earth First or Greenpeace activist want to do the research they can check the public county records of Texas from the Red River south from Bonham Tx. to and through Delta County, Eastern Collin County, Eastern Rockwall County , central Kaufman County,, all the way to Harris county….
The pipe line ROW’s are of record, the pipe line is being built this hour. Thousands of “Texans” are working at high pay as welders, dozer operators, back hoe operators, all of it , truck haulding the pipe, “Lone Star Steel Company” maf. the pipe.
The next google map will show the Greenpeace fail.
The next thing will be the lower gas price.
The next thing will be the commie Democrats coming up with a new lie on the tax and spend redistribution endless train of lies.
Gail, good point about cancer being a disease of the aged. Here’s a Texas cancer incidence map. Rates are higher in Texas than the US average — 441/100,000. Given the wide-open spaces of Texas, it would be hard to find a cause for the high rate in industrially polluted air. For example, on the map, the high-incidence area in East Texas includes several national parks and forests.
Harris County, where Manchester Texas is located, next to Houston, is about average. One would surmise that the purported one extra cancer per year, from breathing the toxic-chemical-fouled air of Manchester, TX (Harris), is indistinguishable from noise. At that resolution, it looks like that kid doesn’t have a case.
One might suspect the low child mortality in the US, relative to Afghanistan and other undeveloped areas, is the absence of enteric diseases due to the availability of clean water, and the prevalence of childhood vaccination, rather than to the rescue of weak babies.
Ferdinand, your point is well-taken. Given the distribution of red areas in the Texas cancer incidence map, it would be hard to assign cancer rates to purely industrial pollution.
Pachygrapsus says:
February 9, 2014 at 11:46 am
“….
They threaten my employment, my family and my country from their Ivory Towers
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Too late. They are actively stripping wealth away from those who seek to eak out a living providing power to rest of humanity,
Lord Huh?
garymount, as an almost-native Californian, I can certify Peter McMartin as a total nut-case. That’d be a nutter in Brit-land, and maybe a tool in Canadian.
Even assuming he’s intelligent enough to put on his pants in the morning, all by himself, his article is fatuous.
The behaviour of the protesters, in artfully arranging themselves outside a private citizens home, brannishing burning brands, masked and chanting threats.
Tells me:
They are not adults.
Are not property owners.
Have no children of their own.
Otherwise they would have better sense and in fact should have feared the consequences of their stupid theatre.
Put yourself in the homeowners place, can you see any rational for sympathy for any of these folk, who threaten your family and property?
Most of us know fear does strange things to a persons reasoning, this kind of thing threatening my family, a mob of enviro-zombies, after dark, with torches, masked, extremely ugly,..
I’m no longer trustful of police services, they are always minutes away when seconds count,we place more faith in oo buck.
I am in awe of the reasoned and rational behaviour of this man.
Stunning how dumb these protestors are,proudly posting, this little effort is even more of a home goal than the 10-10 foolishness.
Any home-owner who watches their video, will be sick to their stomach.
Any realist will know just how close to justifiable homicide these idiots were pushing the homeowner.
I guess its true fools rush in where angels would fear to tread.
If you recognize any of those useful idiots, perhaps you could contact their parents.
Intervention is needed now, before some social studies professor gets them killed promoting its pet cause.
Ideology, more deadly than drugs?