From the newspaper SouthCoastToday.com
Our View: There is no debate on climate change
The “debate” over the reality and cause of climate change stopped being scientific long ago. Today, the “debate” is nothing more than a distraction that serves a political purpose for those who would stand to lose the most by policies that would curtail the release of carbon from its restful, stable location below the surface of the earth, in the form of fossil fuels, into our environment.
One hundred percent of the current and former UMass Dartmouth scientists participating in an editorial board meeting at The Standard-Times on Tuesday agree both that climate change is occurring and that human activity — particularly the combustion of fossil fuels — has a significant impact on it.
The point was made in the meeting that it is not typical that scientists would agree so broadly. There’s a reason for that: Theories aren’t agreed upon in the scientific community, but facts are.
Theories are debated. Facts are facts.
The UMass scientists were invited to discuss three undeniable, provable effects that burning fossil fuels has on our oceans: acidification, warming, and sea level rise.
Read the rest here: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140205/OPINION/402050305
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When the public’s right to know is threatened, and when the rights of free speech and free press are at risk, all of the other liberties we hold dear are endangered. -Christopher Dodd
Source h/t to WUWT reader “Vico”
Wow. So, in essence, they’re saying that Bill McKibbon, David Suzuki and Michael Mann are normal, and the rest of us are crazy? Not sure that I’d want to stake MY reputation on such a premise if I ran a media outlet, but to each their own.
So, Dr Lew and his buddy Cook trained some folks on how to do stats, eh?
Must have done a good training job because already they figured, screw the 97% biz we say it’s 100% of every scientist who has ever been a Dartmouth scientist since the beginning of time (whatever that means?) all agree it’s warmed and man did it. We asked every single one and they all agreed, 100%.
Well fancy that.
Not a mere 97%…not even a lousy 99.7%… but 100%
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At the current time there are 187 comments on WUWT and 54 on the newspaper SouthCoastToday.com and over 90 are from sceptics. Yet they tell us there really is no debate and they tell us that we are living in denial.
The newspaper was very careful to lightly skirt round this.
Somehow it’s not important. It is because it has a direct bearing on the IPCC’s projections for the rest of the 21st century. It fuels the real debate about climate sensitivity.
Small correction, I should have said.
“At the current time there are 187 comments on WUWT and 54 on the newspaper SouthCoastToday.com and over 90% are from sceptics.”
Here is a comment over at the newspaper from a Warmist. [my bold]
Why do people write such easily rebutted rubbish? No wonder I don’t last long on Warmist comment sections. 🙂 My reply would be for the commenter to tell that to the astronomer and physicist Dr. James Hansen. The Father of global warming. He too is no climate scientist by his ‘logic.’ LOL.
Here is the comment under jperk
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140205/OPINION/402050305#comment-1391721936-196-965
Remember that classic scene in The Waltons when the local Church organizes a German book burning party to protest against the Nazis in Germany.John Boy rushes in and stops it and he get a woman of German decent to read one of the books and it the Christian Bible.Classic clip used to be on YouTube but i assume it got deleted because of Copyright.
Small step from Burning books to burning Jews and Russian Cities
Someone tell this Newspaper Denying Deniers the right to Democratic free speech is F__king with Democracy
So this Newspaper follow the establishment line and reject publishing articles about Climate Skepticism okay
Then their government can step in and tell them what other articles they can print about example Edward Snowdon, Gun Control ,Obama Care ,The Banking Collapse ,Police Corruption in Public Office, Water Boarding,Taxes ,Veterens Welfare,The Iraq War,Guantanamo,Crumbling Infrastructure,
US Loses in Afghanistan,Human Rights Abuses in China Russia Saudi Arabia Nigeria US trading partners and allies on the War on Terror
Don’t like Skepticism about Manmade Climate Change why should you like Skeptism and Criticism anything else.
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Let me remind – also newspaper SouthCoastToday, these opinions supporters (at least partially) the theory of a. global warming:
Atte Korhola , the Professor of Environmental Change (http://www.helsinki.fi/news/archive/2-2010/15-16-18-33):
“The mistakes demonstrate that IPCC has taken on too much when trying to cram the entirety of diverse climate research in one book and force it into consensus.”
“However, science develops all the time and reduction of scientific ambiguity is not realistic.”
… once again H. von Storch (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-hans-von-storch-on-problems-with-climate-change-models-a-906721.html):
“Unfortunately, some scientists behave like preachers, delivering sermons to people.”
“Certainly the greatest mistake of climate researchers has been giving the impression that they are declaring the definitive truth.”
old engineer says: @ur momisugly February 6, 2014 at 6:46 pm
I had a devil of a time finding anything and ended up using WIKI that said News Corp was split-up and then on September 4, 2013 it sold off Dow Jones Local Media Group to Newcastle Investment Corp.—an affiliate of Fortress Investment Group.
Looks Like WIKI got it correct:
With the heavy investment in real estate related assets they may be looking at Wind (and Solar) Farm rental fees. That is where the British crown is making gobs of money. Fortress Investment Group LLC investment in R/Rs would mesh nicely, since Shell VP Ged Davis’s B1 ‘Sustainability’ scenario that he wrote for the IPCC had wind, solar and natural gas as energy sources.
Fortress Investment Group LLC is also heavy into real estate.
dmacleo says: @ur momisugly February 6, 2014 at 6:26 pm
J Murphy says:@ur momisugly February 6, 2014 at 4:17 pm
Your services to carbon and against humanity will be suitably rewarded, I hope.
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dmacleo says: @ur momisugly February 6, 2014 at 6:26 pm
want a blankie for those tears?
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When I read that type of stuff from the emotional but useful idiotic serfs of the elite, I am very tempted to say; “You want a short nasty brutal life with no energy, go for it but don’t come whining to me when you have blisters on your hands and feet, and you are wet, cold shivering and hungry.”
If people like J Murphy ever got what they think they want they would be dead inside a month. To bad they are too brainwashed to ever figure that out.
The Farce Is Complete: Blythe Masters Joining CFTC
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-06/farce-complete-blythe-masters-joining-cftc
We thought today’s newsflow and “market action” ranked pretty high on the absurd surrealism scale. And then we saw this.
That’s right – you read it correct: “Blythe Masters, head of JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s commodities division, is joining an advisory committee of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said Steve Adamske, a spokesman for the regulator. Masters, 44, was invited by acting Chairman Mark Wetjen to sit on a global markets committee at the Washington-based regulator of futures and swaps, according to a person with knowledge of the matter. Masters is scheduled to participate in a CFTC meeting on Feb. 12 to discuss cross-border guidance on rules, the person said.”
Ok – ignore, if you will, all alegations about Blythe Masters “interventions” in the precious metals markets.
But don’t ignore Blythe’s CNBC interview in which the soon to be former JPMorganite said, days before the London Whale fiasco was exposed and so were JPM’s attempts to corner the bond market, that JPM has “offsetting positions. We have no stake in whether prices rise or decline. Rather we’re running a flat or relatively flat matched book” – a statement that was a bold faced lie, and was followed up with “what is commonly out there is that JPMorgan is manipulating the metals market. It’s not part of our business model. it would be wrong and we don’t do it.”
No, Blythe had much greater manipulative ambitions, namely becoming the next Enron, which we learned after than the FERC fined JPMorgan – and the group ran by Blythe Masters – for manipulating electricity prices in California and other states.
Fast forward to today when we learn that this certified commodity market manipulator just got a job with none other than the head commodity regulators in the US?
In other words, you too can get a job at the CFTC if only you can answer yes to the following two questions (h/t Manal):
Has your bank manipulated energy markets under your watch, and
Have you been found guilty of commodity price manipulation
We could ask what Elizabeth Warren would think about this hilarious rotating door out of the most punished for its legal transgressions bank – with about $25 billion in legal fees, expenses and settlement charges – the same Warren who earlier today was parading with pandering populism at the Senate hearing, as a result of which nothing would change…
… but we won’t. Because as we noted: nothing will ever change. Actually correction – now it will be Blythe Masters on top of the one regulators that is supposed to enforce a fair, honest and efficient commodities market.
It’s almost as if they are explicitly telling the handful of people who still care about this entire charade a resounding “fuck you.”
Lars P. says:
February 6, 2014 at 3:12 pm
I miss the studies showing how well does the ocean do with this bit of increased CO2?
CO2 is more than abundant in the oceans, it is not the limiting factor for algal growth at all. The main limitations are in micro-nutritients, especially iron, but at some places phosphor, nitrogen,… Reason why upwelling waters (including the huge mix by polar winds) show most abundant life.
If you look at Fig. 4 in Bates e.a.:
http://www.biogeosciences.net/9/2509/2012/bg-9-2509-2012.pdf
you can see that the winter/summer difference in total carbon (DIC) is 40 μmol/kg over 2020 μmol/kg or about 2% of the total carbon content of the ocean surface at Bermuda…
Thus biolife in the oceans is not dependent of CO2 levels, but biolife on land depends on it as one of the several factors that influence plant growth: CO2 levels, water, nutritients, trace elements, fertilizers,…
The oxygen balance shows how much the (land) biosphere did grow over the past 1.5 decade:
http://www.bowdoin.edu/~mbattle/papers_posters_and_talks/BenderGBC2005.pdf
They calculated that the whole biosphere increased from a net small source before the 1990’s to a net CO2 sink of about 1 GtC/year. The latter includes the balance between human destruction of tropical forests and the real extra uptake by the biosphere caused by the increased CO2 level, so the real increase in uptake may be several GtC/year…
“Theories aren’t agreed upon in the scientific community, but facts are.Theories are debated. Facts are facts.”
I think gravity may be well agreed on with in the scientific community. But then that was something that was proven with experimentation and is reproducible using the results of observations. AGW? Not so much. At all. Just like when nearly 100% of scientists all agreed the planet Earth was flat. That was was an undeniable fact as well.
Here’s a funny cartoon of Gore in a straitjacket:
http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/zegs-take/2013/10/burning-mad/
This newspaper is just trying trying to be like NPR, BBC, and most other so-called major media and ignore the news they do not approve of. They are simply more blatant about how they are going to lie about the news than most.of the others.
Amazing this same story showed up around 1500:
Debate settled: Sun revolves around the Earth
Can you imagine if this ‘extreme weather event’ happened today, what the alarmists would be shouting from the rooftop about the urgency to repent, cough up at the Poor Box and reform our lives to stamp out the original carbon sin of a wayward humanity?
“In the year 823 or 824, lightning set fire to a multitude of buildings and killed many people and huge hail ravaged the countryside in France. In addition, all historians assure, that we dare not believe without the unanimity of their testimony, that by the summer solstice [around 20 or 21 June] in Autun [sic] in the region of Burgundy, France, was seen falling from the sky, following a sudden storm and amidst a terrible hailstorm, real ice blocks (we are sure of these measures) of 4.6 meters (15 feet) long by 1.8 meters (6 feet) wide and 0.6 meters (2 feet) thick. (These facts were confirmed in the Annals of Einhard, the chronicle of Adhemar, the short Chronicle of Reims, the Annals of Fulda, the Chronicle of Hermann, all contemporary sources.”
I am so thankful for the poster who provided this link to real weather extremes, not the pablum we have today. My goodness, we live in glorious and congenial times!
http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/Weather.pdf
@hunter
“This newspaper is just trying trying to be like NPR, BBC, and most other so-called major media and ignore the news they do not approve of. They are simply more blatant about how they are going to lie about the news than most.of the others.”
This is a tried and true propaganda technique used by all major powers. There is a book called “The Spike” which explains how to do it. It covers/exposes the way certain keep positions in major Western news media were infiltrated by USSR operatives with training on how to ‘affect perceptions’ of the public not by printing the usual obvious garbage we would spot, but how to kill stories that give contradictory evidence. Over time the attitude of people is affected on a grand scale.
That these people are in these said key positions if manifestly evident on a daily basis. The beating drum, “We are all guilty of a sin we must undo, think of the children and the fluffy puppies you are killing with your excesses!” continues on a daily basis assisted by the usual dupes and those who want to have societal influence far beyond their knowledge base.
There are several examples of this in the movie medium but exploring them would take us off topic. The point of “The Spike” is that it takes very few people in key positions to render this approach effective. It relies on people not hearing a certain set of truths, or opinions, or falsehoods.
The internet is a surprisingly effective antidote to it but we are still working out how to use the opportunity it presents.
As a PS, in the book “The Spike” there is a chapter claiming that USA cruise missiles carried WMD’s. This chapter was clearly written by someone else. It has a different writing style, tone and contains grammatical errors not present in the rest of the book. It was written separately and inserted into the rest. It is possible that the book was in fact a USSR propaganda tool created by Western cooperators with the following plan: Reveal how the manipulation of media is taking place and give really valuable insights, then include in it blatant propaganda designed to undermine support in the West for deploying cruise missiles in Europe – at the time a great fear as the USSR had no effective defense system capable of dealing with them.
Journalists hate Science. It takes up valuable space that should be devoted to Justin Bieber, or covering the lack of new information in “The Bridge Scandal”.
NOTE- This is a made up scenario not true, but represents an prospective view.
Our View: There is no debate on whether we are going to make staff redundant”
A spokesperson from Newspaper SouthCoastToday.com have stated no staff will be made redundant.this year and wont discuss the issue any further.
17 years ago the company made staff redundant for the first time, There have been people losing jobs every year since the company stated yearly that staff will not be made redundant. 17 consecutive years of staff made redundant due to cutting costs or other factors to improve efficiency. When the company says no redundancies will occur next year, who are you going to believe the staff or the company?
After 17 years if any group/company told you the same thing every year, but nothing had changed, could you trust them?
Pro-carbon-(dioxide) is pro-human. It is entirely beneficial, up to one or two orders of magnitude higher concentration.
Jimbo says:
“Here is a comment over at the newspaper from a Warmist. [my bold]
As for equating astrophysicists with climate scientists, by that logic maybe I should go to my Harvard Med School-trained podiatrist when I need neurosurgery. After all, a doctor is a doctor is a doctor, right?
Why do people write such easily rebutted rubbish? No wonder I don’t last long on Warmist comment sections. 🙂 My reply would be for the commenter to tell that to the astronomer and physicist Dr. James Hansen. The Father of global warming. He too is no climate scientist by his ‘logic.’ LOL”
That is funny Jimbo!
I’ve been an operational meteorologist for 32 years and have on many occasions, when explaining something crystal clear to me in order to assist somebody that disagrees with me but can’t really explain why, been told “Well, you aren’t a climate scientist”……. 97% of climate scientists disagree with you and I’m just going with what all the experts in this field say”
I realize that a “climate scientist” is more likely to have a PhD and most of them went to college longer than me( I was actually a classmate with Jeff Masters, who continued to later earn his PhD)
However, it doesn’t matter how smart you are or how many years you went to school, once you think you know something, your brain interprets new information based on certain assumptions.
If you teach, profess and makes others aware of what you think you know, after awhile, those initial assumptions become unshakable truths. Your reputation/credibility are at stake and your ego sabotages your brain from allowing things that contradict your assumptions.
Even the smartest humans sometimes have false assumptions. Sometimes, the smartest ones take the longest to recognize that they just filled their heads with bogus knowledge because of the delay in recognizing a mistake that snowballed because of subjectivity.
Linus Pauling was one of the the world’s most brilliant and respected scientists. If there ever was an example of a genius that was right about so much and smarter than anybody else for much of his life, that led to his demise, he was it…………. simply because it caused him to be unable to see objectively and to not believe he could possibly be wrong.
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.html
”What a terrible thing to have lost one’s mind. Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is.”
(Guess who.)
In a way, skeptics have helped in the confusion put out by the war mists by constantly using the term climate change rather than catastrophic man-made global warming (which is what the concern has always been about).
The Guardian newspaper in the UK not only will not print skeptical AGW opinions, as with this writer, they just don’t accept your comments at all.
So when newspapers do this, it demonstrates they cannot defend the AGW propaganda.
[snip waaaay waaaay off topic – drone strikes in Pakistan? – mod]