From the newspaper SouthCoastToday.com
Our View: There is no debate on climate change
The “debate” over the reality and cause of climate change stopped being scientific long ago. Today, the “debate” is nothing more than a distraction that serves a political purpose for those who would stand to lose the most by policies that would curtail the release of carbon from its restful, stable location below the surface of the earth, in the form of fossil fuels, into our environment.
One hundred percent of the current and former UMass Dartmouth scientists participating in an editorial board meeting at The Standard-Times on Tuesday agree both that climate change is occurring and that human activity — particularly the combustion of fossil fuels — has a significant impact on it.
The point was made in the meeting that it is not typical that scientists would agree so broadly. There’s a reason for that: Theories aren’t agreed upon in the scientific community, but facts are.
Theories are debated. Facts are facts.
The UMass scientists were invited to discuss three undeniable, provable effects that burning fossil fuels has on our oceans: acidification, warming, and sea level rise.
Read the rest here: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140205/OPINION/402050305
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When the public’s right to know is threatened, and when the rights of free speech and free press are at risk, all of the other liberties we hold dear are endangered. -Christopher Dodd
Source h/t to WUWT reader “Vico”
Some persons just can not handle reality without hiding their head in the sand like ostriches!
Ummm, did they ever print a skeptical opinion in the first place?
Surely a newspaper will print whatever they believe their readers want to read, with the proviso that they make more money in sales and advertising than they lose through libel claims.
Panic is setting in.
Demonstrating the complete collapse of credibility of the editors.
Their 100% could even be less than one.
We asked zero persons and assumed a failure to respond to be an affirmative.
It is always nice when Presstitutes self identify.
Will they last months, or years?
How deep are the pockets propping up this propaganda rag?
I already had a low opinion of journalists and newspapers. Hard to believe it just dipped further down.
Wonder how many people actually pay $69 a year for this?
I don’t think they would have done this if Rupert Murdoch still owned it. Wonder if this was a planned “We’re Not Fox!” bit?
BTW, According to the Alliance for Audited Media, the Standard Times Sunday circulation is down 26% since march 2009…
Sea experts…help!!!!
‘Ocean acidification’: this one always gets me. I was under the impression that the oceans already contain orders of magnitude MORE CO2 than the atmosphere. Is that correct?
If so, given those orders of magnitude MORE CO2 already in the ocean, how can a tiny percentage of an already trace quantity of atmospheric CO2 – that when compared to existing ocean CO2 is probably too small to even measure, drive ‘dangerous ocean warming’?
(Even if it did, given the poor depth & coverage of current & historical ocean data, how would we know?)
Also, how much ‘excess man made’ atmospheric CO2 goes exclusively into the oceans and thus is the difference between ‘normal’ CO2 levels and ‘catastrophe’?
Someone, please explain how a feeble amount of atmospheric CO2 can somehow overwhelm huge amounts of ‘ocean ready’ CO2? This just doesn’t make any sense to me at all.
Hopefully the news papers down South run by Good Ole boys will take a tip and stop debating whether creationism is as valid a fact as the legend of creationism.
Rogerknights, the South Coast of Massachusetts. You’d think they’d at least have some doubts considering the winter they are having. But too many private universities up there have done a pretty thorough job at brainwashing Massachusettians.
HGW xx/7 said… Someone (undoubtedly a leftie) once said the devil would appear draped in the American flag and holding a bible.
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Not the fictional devil, but the reality of fascism: (the merger of state and corporate interests – Mussolini)
When fascism came to the United States in the 1930s, it was wrapped in the flag and heralded as a plea for preservation of life an liberty.
An open letter to SouthCoastToday
Given the light cast upon this news source from the current Editorial regarding shutting down debate of CAGW by eliminating Skeptical views posted therein, I here by submit my request for cancellation of my subscription of your News source, and termination of any and all Cookies on my computer that are sourced by it.
Regards
A skeptic concerned about the First ammendment
They all met and agreed that beieving the world was round was harmful to the environment and distressed people with unwanted fears so they proposed that the earth was flat and took polls on how people felt about the issue and called it science. We will no longer debate or get confused by facts now, we are your leaders.
No worries there Gareth Philips, Common Core national standards for public schools feature a top down federal curricula. The science educational standards will stress Climate Change and Evolution. Other sciences, such as chemistry and biology, will have to be de-emphasized for a more “wholistic” understanding. So you will get your wish for the public schools. The standard for scientific literacy is considered to be fulfilled in instruction in Climate Change and Evolutionary Theory.
However, educational freedom, and the right and duty of the parent to direct the upbringing and education of their children, is still respected in many courts.
ref: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/10/science/panel-calls-for-broad-changes-in-science-education.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
“Today, the “debate” is nothing more than a distraction that serves a political purpose for those who would stand to lose the most by policies that would curtail the release of carbon from its restful, stable location below the surface of the earth, in the form of fossil fuels, into our environment. ”
Bring on Agenda 21. The people who stand to lose the most are people who like to be alive. What these people seem to not realize is that they are useful idiots. They may be the last to go on the trains or into the camps, but they and their families will go.
Eric
” One hundred percent of the current and former UMass Dartmouth scientists participating in an editorial board meeting at The Standard-Times on Tuesday agree both that climate change is occurring and that human activity — particularly the combustion of fossil fuels — has a significant impact on it.”
Yep. Both of those guys from Dartmouth agreed.
That’s a great word ‘progressive’. It sounds a lot better than communist or socialist or moaist or leninist or marxist.
Luddite-ism is alive and well. Let’s immediately ban the use of any 19 century or later contraptions or medicine and return to a hunter-gatherer existence to the age of 25 or so on average.
If they feel the debate is over and the science settled, I would presume thay haven’t visited WattsUpWithThat. Maybe we should send them a gift subscription?
This is the kind of attitude that this site needs to have to actually do something useful about the ridiculous situatuation I extend same criticism to othe skeptical sites. Legal action needs to be taken against criminal activity in the Climate area. PERIOD
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2014/02/04/global-warmings-tree-ring-circus/
Anthony – this is not surprising. I spoke to a friend who is a reporter at the Glasgow Herald about getting material published, and the truth hit home to me when he said: “but we don’t even have a science correspondent any longer”.
It wasn’t that the paper was not printing our sceptical material, it was that the whole of science was largely a no-go area for the paper.
And you know the cause? It’s because someone – has stolen all the global warming stories and now publishes them on line. So, these days if you want to read up on global warming, you don’t go to the Glasgow Herald, you don’t go to the Independent (about to close) or the Guardian (on its way out) or the SouthCoastToday
… you go online and read WattsUpWithThat!!!
They are not stopping comments because they are keeping you out … they are stopping comments because all their sane readers are deserting them to come and read blogs like this.
AS IF anyone ever cared what the South whatever whatever (I’m not going to scroll back up!) editor has to say. Well, ONE thing is certain, after this little bit of prime ignorance, no one ever will.
So 100% of “scientists” at one of the most liberal universities in the country agree with the govts paid for position.
Color me surprised.
Will they also no langer accept ‘might’, ‘could’ etc. when publishing alarmists claims and instead change that to ‘will’?
I mean, why tolerate the doubt, since the science is settled?
Those scientists at U Mass-Dartmouth are all aware they need to get outside grants to get tenure and promotions. We know that university is aware of NSF’s Broader Impacts criteria in effect now because it is on their university site. http://www.umassd.edu/research/grants/proposaldevelopment/new2013nsfgrantproposalguidechanges/
So the NSF, the managing partner of the Belmont Forum using the spectre of climate change to require actual social, economic, and political change under the banner of Sustainability defined in a manner that mimics Karl Marx’s fondest wishes, says this is what you must believe to get our money. These professors want that money and so they go along. Then that created conflict of interest that undermines science gets used to show that there is no merit to skepticism.
Genuine science does not need gag rules to function.
Bingo!
You know this is in an odd way good news for the tar and feathering industry. You see IF the world goes into decades of cooling then it will serve as a clear lesson to the media about freedom of speech, expression etc. The media insists on its right to freedom of expression yet wishes to deny others theirs.
They don’t understand the implication of the 17 years of surface temperature standstill. They don’t understand the rapid warming between 1910 to 1940. They don’t understand the Arctic Warm Period between 1920 to the 1940s. They don’t understand that water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas (according to the IPCC). They don’t understand that the effect of co2 is logarithmic not linear. They don’t understand that the debate IS about climate sensitivity.
They don’t understand that there has never been such a raging scientific debate that equals CAGW.
That right there is a lie. My view, ban your newspaper. How ya like that eh?