Skeptics get a seat at the table.
IPCC 5th Assessment Review Meeting starts at 9.30am GMT
Witnesses
- Professor Sir Brian Hoskins, Grantham Institute, Imperial College London, Professor Myles Allen, University of Oxford University, and Dr Peter Stott, Met Office
- Professor Richard Lindzen, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Nicholas Lewis, Climate researcher, and Donna Laframboise, Author
Live feed link follows.
Purpose of the session
Topics being examined include:
- IPCC AR5 key findings on climate change;
- Consensus and uncertainty about climate change;
- Reliability of climate models used by the IPCC;
- Areas of scrutiny (climate sensitivity, the hiatus etc.); and
- The structure and practices of the IPCC.
Watch here: http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=14741
The ECC home page: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/energy-and-climate-change-committee/
Discover more from Watts Up With That?
Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.
The stream seems to be gone now.
Waiting for Hansard then.
OK, it’s over. One of the best committee meetings I’ve seen. I loved Lindzen’s parting reply to the committee, which is based on the great Keith Waterhouse’s dictum: “Don’t just do something, stand there!”
Ah, it has ended. Quite enjoyable.
Nice to see Myles Allen get caught out telling porkies.
He looks oleaginous in a room with Tim Yeo.
M Courtney….(on doing nothing) Of course, it is in the make-up of MPs that they could never ‘do nothing’. They whole raison d’etre is to do something – and then cock it up!,
M Courtney: “Nice to see Myles Allen get caught out telling porkies.
He looks oleaginous in a room with Tim Yeo.”
Well said!! Props!
Friends:
Now it is ended I write to provide a personal view based on immediate reaction.
Both Sessions were interesting.
The alarmists were most politically effective. (Sadly, in my view).
Lindzen was the star (and not only because he was most solid on the science).
The Select Committee made three good choices on the alarmist witnesses and one good choice on the sceptical witnesses. I have not seen the written submissions of the witnesses, but British politicians ascribe value to evidence using assessment of the people who provide it.
On balance the alarmists did better than the sceptics. Sigh.
Richard
And doing anything will have no known effect on the climate but a big effect on the people, as LIndzen said.
But what do people matter (as the Rt Hon Albert Owen MP implied but dared not say explicitly)?
richardscourtney: “On balance the alarmists did better than the sceptics. Sigh.”
Possibly, but in this context, we’re still at the stage where merely the presentation of an opposing view to alarmists is progress.
I thought Donna Laframboise was quite solid. She kept her cool and responded directly and she had her facts at hand. Lindzen chipped in to support her on the review process being something other than “peer review”.
I’m currently watching the Lindzen stream again – Jesus, but Yeo’s a pratt….
Andy Dawson says: January 28, 2014 at 4:04 am
And now Yeo’s being openly partisan – “is the decade 2000- 2010 the hottest on record”?
And the answer is that yes, the hottest decade on record is behind us.
I do like these hearings better than the stage managed affairs we get from the U.S. Senate. Folks actually get to fully reply without the need to stonewall until the politicians clock runs out.
There was no knock-out punch from either ‘side’, so the contest has to be decided on points. Points may to some extent be in the eye of the beholder, but it my eyes, the 3Ls made at least a couple of dozen good ones, while the ASH team were largely, and not very convincingly, on the defensive. If the committee is a rational one, I think this hearing today will serve to have broadened and deepened their grasp of key issues, and to have shifted them away from the sort of dumb deference to the IPCC that has so disfigured such as the Royal Society in its political posturings for example.
richardscourtney: “On balance the alarmists did better than the sceptics. Sigh.”
Nope, just not looking like crazies will have helped.
And the clearest win – the most memorable moment – came when Yeo got confused beween “Warm” and “Warming”. Nouns and Verbs are just so confusing.
Unless the committee was overwhelmed with their love and respect for their Chairman then that will be the take home moment. A win for the sceptics.
And the review of the paper will show that Myles Allen was wrong about the political independance of the SPM.
John Robertson’s clearly out of his depth…
Andy Dawson says:
January 28, 2014 at 4:59 am
I’m currently watching the Lindzen stream again – Jesus, but Yeo’s a pratt….
.
Can you help me please?. How do I replay the committee video to review some bits? Is it immediately archived somewhere?
Ta
Jonesey
Andy Dawson, agreed. But other than John Robertson the committee were quite impressive.
Well,OK, there is also the Chair.
But Yeo may be biased yet he’s also too thick to be a problem.
Very interesting to see the British Parliamentary system in action.
What a shame Anthony Watts was not invited to give a presentation! Or say Bob Carter for instance… maybe next time?
I have great sympathy for Donna in particular – it must be very difficult to face such a barrage.
Bravo all the sceptics – keep up the logical arguments.
“Can you help me please?. How do I replay the committee video to review some bits? Is it immediately archived somewhere?”
there’s a “play from the start” option – take that and then go to about 11:15
try from about 11:36:00 and you’ll see Robertson trying desperately to look as though he’s got the faintest understanding what he’s hearing.
Aha…Ta…
Wow , cheering on peter Lilly, who’d have thought that.
Jonsey: If you click on this link it will take you to the Parliament channel. You should see a multi-colour-banded screen. Just move the viewing bar a touch along the bottom of the screen to get into the session.
sceptics could do worse than copy and distribute Robertson’s performance in terms of “these are the ar*sholes who’ve bought into global warming”
This link: http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=14741
Arrgghh! And now the screen has disappeared from the link! Sorry Jonesy.