Dr. Mann doesn’t seem to know who he’s labeling as a “garden variety troll”.
This is probably just a conditioned reflex on his part, since anyone who disagrees with the omniscient Mann is eventually labeled a troll, but in this case, Dr. Mann’s annoyance gives the extra distinction of “garden variety troll”. Observe:
Source: [ http://twitter.com/EcoSenseNow/status/426611745562447872 ]
Um, I think Dr. Mann doesn’t recognize a fellow PhD when he sees one, and surely you’d think Dr. Mann would recognize the co-founder of Greenpeace. Apparently not.
I guess Dr. Mann took exception to the “sensible” part.
UPDATE: A tweet by “AndyMac” is worth mentioning here, especially since I witnessed Dr. Mann and others decrying the poisonous atmosphere that apparently is all the fault of “deniers” at a special session of AGU 2013:
@wattsupwiththat Mann seems to split his time thusly…
1) Complain about abuse, etc, in the media/journals.
2) Abuse, name call on twitter— Уинстън смифф (@AndyMeanie) January 24, 2014
@Alan Robertson says: January 24, 2014 at 8:54 am
What, no one has said it yet?
State pen, not Penn State.
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They have. Dr. Tim Ball said just that. Mann’s suing him.
David Sanger (@davidsanger) says:
January 24, 2014 at 8:22 am
Well certainly Greenpeace does not think that Patrick Moore was a “co-founder of Greenpeace.
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They used to, and then they re-wrote history. Can you trust a group that re-writes history?
http://web.archive.org/web/20070203080000/http://www.greenpeace.org/international/about/history/founders
http://web.archive.org/web/20021119050900/http://www.greenpeace.org.au/aboutus/founders.html
CaligulaJones:
Okay I guess I stand corrected. Michael Moore WAS there at the creation fo the “Don’t Make A Wave Committee:.
Mann is just projecting. Kind of like the climate world version of Amanda Bynes. Guess he will be calling everyone “ugly’ soon.
O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An’ foolish notion:
What airs in dress an’ gait wad lea’e us,
An’ ev’n devotion!
– from To A Louse by Robert Burns
I’m repeating myself, but IMO B-movie king Roger Corman nailed the Michael Mann story and psyche in A Bucket of Blood (1959). The IMDB description:
“A frustrated and talentless artist finds acclaim for a plaster covered dead cat that is mistaken as a skillful statuette. Soon the desire for more praise leads to an increasingly deadly series of works.”
Corman’s deft send-up of Beat culture pretensions looks a lot like the Greenies of today too.
Corman’s original “Little Shop of Horrors” is a close analogue. Both can be easily found and viewed online.
jeremyp99 says:
January 24, 2014 at 9:09 am
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I would not presume to be the originator of such a witty statement.
For CD@CD153 – Re: Massive egos. I know lots of people educated waaaaay beyond their intelligence (old Jerry Clower joke for the younger crowd). Most of the one’s I know are in academia and never made an honest living for themselves or anyone else. Why such a person can even become President today. Don’t be alarmed. Cleaning up the mess when they explode provides the rest of us with lots of opportunities. Look at how much work there will be to do rebuilding America after all the green stuff collapses.
CaligulaJones says:
January 24, 2014 at 8:54 am
Well done, Sir!
I am starting to feel sorry for Mikey. Just a tiny bit sorry, but for a guy with enough smarts to get a decent PhD, he has certainly given in to his dark demons, allowed himself to abandon his scientific objectivity and seek fame and glory by allowing his inner narcissist to ride him like a whipped mule.
Sad when someone throws away a career. Must be terribly hard for him to keep the gig going while knowing that reality is not conforming to his scientific projections, that he got the science dead wrong, that he will go down in history as the poster child for how not to do science.
Best if just fesses up and allows the healing to begin.
hunter says:
January 24, 2014 at 8:13 am
“People who are winning based on evidence do not act like this.”
As the old law school saying goes:
alex says:
January 24, 2014 at 9:08 am
From Wiki:
“So, Greenpeace is desperate to re-write their own history…”
That’s a well-known trait of all Marxist organisations (and Maoist ones as well.)
Ken Hall says:
January 24, 2014 at 8:39 am
” I do not have any time for the left wing neo-terrorists of Greenpeace. However I have lots of time for the very sensible Dr Patrick Moore. It is a real shame that extremists forced him out of Greenpeace as he had the right approach to nudging and encouraging corporations to be much more environmentally responsible, whilst not alienating them. The extremists running Greenpeace now are just a bunch of commie nutters.”
Right on………………… totally agree.
Oi, sse Hockeyscktickse is bleating once again…
Mann makes Steve Mosher look like a social goddess.
Mpcraig says: ______________________________________________________________
They used to, and then they re-wrote history. Can you trust a group that re-writes history?
No, I don’t, that is why I don’t believe the warm-mongers who have airbrushed the medieval warm period from climate history. I am also sick of hearing about Mann throwing his toys out of the pram if someone says something he doesn’t like. It is high time he grew up and stopped being the charmless hypocrite that his beliefs have turned him into.
James Taylor takes Mann up on his “If you see it say something” “opinion” with Michael Mann’s Global Warming Argument Fuels ‘Denier’ Skepticism
Note that increasing Carbon Dioxide Emissions Stimulating $15 Trillion in Crop Production
PS I am among Mann’s “97%” of scientists who believe that the earth has been warming (since the Little Ice Age and since 1950), and that humans have contributed to that! (The $64 trillion dollar question is “How much?”)
So very sad.
Such a hateful little man, lashing out in petty fury.
Sometimes the only response that fits is pity for what the creature has become.
Bart says:
January 24, 2014 at 9:41 am
hunter says:
January 24, 2014 at 8:13 am
“People who are winning based on evidence do not act like this.”
As the old law school saying goes:
“When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law. When neither is on you side, pound the table.”
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Exactly, so imagine how bad things are for Mann who has been reduced to pounding on the floor.
From Greenpeace’s (GP’s) own erstwhile website:
“The committee’s founders and first members included:
• Paul Cote, a law student at the University of British Columbia
• Jim Bohlen, a former deep-sea diver and radar operator in the US Navy
• Irving Stowe, a Quaker and Yale-educated lawyer
• Patrick Moore, ecology student at the University of British Columbia
• Bill Darnell, a social worker ”
This states clearly that Moore was either a ‘founder’ or a ‘first member’ (or both) of the ‘committee’. It’s not yet clear to me whether the ‘committee’ preceded the establishment of an organisation under the name Greenpeace, but even if it didn’t, Moore seems, as he himself maintains, to have been on board at a very early stage. GP may be unhappy to be reminded of this, but rewriting history desn’t change the facts. .
I confess an interest having myself worked for Greenpeace in the early 1980s.
Is it just me or these ego warmists behaving like Justin Biebers? Too much too soon and now no respect for anyone and no self control!
Good news on the environment
The skeptical environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg and the Copenhagen Consensus of Nobel laureate economists provide some pragmatic commonsense of what our global priorities should be. For some good news of how economic development helps people and the environment, see: A Report Card for Humanity: 1900-2050, and the Copenhagen Consensus 2012
Deny everything. Admit nothing. Attack! Attack! Attack!
He cannot be forgotten until MBH99 is retracted. Then he can be forgotten.
I’m just re-reading Sagan’s “Cosmos”, and this caught my eye concerning his opinion on the “Velikovsky Affair”:
“Many hypotheses proposed by scientists as well as by non-scientists turn out to be wrong. But science is a self-correcting enterprise. To be accepted, all new ideas must survive rigorous standards of evidence. The worst aspect of the Velikovsky affair is not that his hypotheses were wrong, or in contradiction to firmly established facts, but that some who called themselves scientists attempted to suppress Velikovsky’s work. Science is generated by and devoted to free inquiry: the idea than any hypothesis, no matter how strange, deserves to be considered on its merits. The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion and politics, but is not the path to knowledge; it has not place in the endeavor of science. We do not know in advance who will discover fundamental insights.”
“We do not know in advance who will discover fundamental insights.”? You mean like…bloggers like McIntyre, Watts and Tisdale, for instance?
Oh, and this:
“…the astronomer and geographer Ptolemy: his earth-centered universe held sway for 1,500 years, a reminder that intellectual capacity is no guarantee against being dead wrong”.