Phil Jones of Climategate fame made some extraordinary remarks that seem to have been overlooked until now. This was a presentation for Help Rescue The Planet’s St George’s House Consultations in Windsor, 2012.
Jones remarks of interest start at 5:30. He says average sea and land temperatures “can’t really differ that much as a global average”.
If he didn’t adjust sea surface temperatures, you’d “have great differences in sea and air temperatures that just couldn’t happen naturally”. I’d agree, UHI and land use change can make such differences and those aren’t natural occurrences, but why adjust SST data up to match? Watch:
h/t to Marc Morano
Manfred:
I am writing to add a clarification to your excellent post at January 17, 2014 at 1:40 pm because the importance of what you say may not be clear to onlookers.
There is a difference between
(a) the effect of UHI on global average surface temperature (GASTA)
and
(b) the effect of UHI on determinations of GASTA from temperature measurements.
This is because humans inhabit a small part of the fifth of the world which is not covered by water. And cities are a small part of the regions where humans inhabit.
Also, UHI increases with time because cities grow and also because urban areas encroach airports.
UHI has negligible effect on GASTA
UHI has large effect in the areas of cities but those areas are a very small part of the area of the surface of the Earth. Hence, the temperature rise from cities has little effect on GASTA and is too small to be detected if averaged over the entire surface of the planet, although this effect of UHI can be estimated by measuring the warming of all cities and their areas.
UHI has large effect on determinations of GASTA
Temperature measurements are mostly made in places that humans inhabit especially at airports of cities. Hence, the temperature rise from cities has large effect on determinations of GASTA because UHI is added to many of the temperature measurements from which the determinations are compiled.
Richard
Jones, Gleick, Mann et. al. shamble along as wraiths of their former selves. Thank Goodness.
It’s good to see Phil Jones looking rather worn and jaded. Perhaps his conscience is beginning to draw his attention to his past misdeeds. In the CRU emails we read from Dr. Phil Jones on 7th May, 2009
“Bottom line: the ‘no upward trend’ has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.”
‘Worried”? I thought he was worried about Global Warming and its consequences, not the proof that there is no Global Warming outside of his fabricated adjustments to temperature records, always in the direction of ‘hiding the decline’.
And here we thought it was Mann-made global warming.
Turns out to be Jones-made global warming.
Mann was just using Jones-conflicted data.
I shall resist saying what I truly feel about these two … ummm…. people.
However, we really need to tell everybody that the UN is participating in the scientific heist of all time.
Not that the UN cares, mind you… They’ve known about this from the beginning.
So Jones maintains that “naturally”, the average sea and land temperatures can’t be different???
Really, Mr. Jones?–They’re completely different regimes–the fact that the first is WATER that constantly moves around and evaporates while the second is stationary ROCK has never entered your thought processes?
Why, Mr. Jones, should the two be EQUIVALENT? That’s the BIG question.
And the answer is: They SHOULDN’T be equivalent.
(Obviously, Mr. Jones is an idiot–making adjustments based on a false assumption is NOT acceptable.)
Mosher you don’t go out much do you. Get out of your hidey hole and visit the green area of your country on bike then return to the city (or is that the other way round?). Then come back and repeat your claim.
On ya bike sunshine.
I covered “The Bucket Model” in-depth here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/25/historical-sea-surface-temperature-adjustmentscorrections-aka-the-bucket-model/
It is flimsy to say the least.
Steven Mosher says: January 17, 2014 at 8:23 am
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ah yes, adjust the air temps down by .3C to .5C and youll get an even bigger trend since 1950 to present.. you know when AGW has had its effect. in short you INCREASE the rate of warming by cooling the past
It is more like, ah yes, adjust the sea temps up by 3C to .5C prior to 1945 and hopefully people won’t notice that the Sea Surface warming trend from 1910 to 1945 was much bigger than anything we’ve seen since 1950;
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when cumulative anthropogenic CO2 emissions were a least sufficient to have a theoretical effect:
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Don’t vary much? You take a dip in Bermuda, and the sea is tepid and like a tropical fish aquarium plus all the little fish nibbling at your legs. Bournmouth Southern England freezing 59-60 F. Or the Scilly Islands, that are warmer even still and sub tropical. Australia varies around her coast line, but it is a lot warmer than Britain. But not as warm as Bermuda. I only bathe now in swimming pools, or ones set up on popular beaches mainly to get away from you know Noah’s arks. But our danger right now is bull sharks, they can live in Fresh water too. Some invaded a Queensland golf course after floods. But admittedly unlike crocodiles or others they don’t venture on land. This guy is a joke! I’m not watching him for 53 minutes.
The final proof that experienced climate change truly and really is Man made?
Jones and his cronies have painted themselves into a corner, their corruption of the data base is coming back to bite their bums. The satellites and argo’s were going to prove global warming for them.
Sadly they have now made it not possible for them to game the system and the internet has a full record of all they have said and done with copies of all their graphs, including some clever blink graphs showing their previous deviousness.
Thus they have nowhere to go, and as the dear old earth does not seem to be on their side, the poor little dears are getting a bit worried. Put yourself in their shoes, their lifes work, the accolades, the prizes all for nought. The prospect that history will regard them as charlatans and part of a scientific scam, must weigh heavy on the mind.
The UN IPCC has been the protector and guardian, but science has left the building and the political wing is back pedalling. Scapegoats will be needed, the next few years is going to be a hoot.
Dr. Phil Jones on 7th May, 2009
“Bottom line: the ‘no upward trend’ has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.”
Now, here’s what he should have said (if he had any ethics):
“Bottom line: the ‘no upward trend’ has to continue for a total of 15 years before we can announce there is no evidence for CAGW, the models were all wrong, and everyone can be relieved”
Jones is still liberally oiling the cogs of CAGW with snake extract. He’s
persistentconsistent, you have to give him that.So he openly admits he adjusts data and we know he lost raw data in office moves in the mid-1990’s? Why is anyone listening to this guy?
It was known in early 1990’s that PDJ adjusted SST’s to fit his UHI inflated land data –
http://www.warwickhughes.com/sst/
But SST’s are always cooler than land surface temperatures because water holds more heat than land. this planet rotates with respect to the sun so every 24 hours the surface warms then cools. The IPCC do not understand this salient fact of reality yet. It is heat that drives weather not temperature.
Come on you scientists can you remind me. While sitting a 100 year level unit to fill in my degree,\
a course called ‘Earth in Crisis?’ We covered evolutionary trends in climate, damming rivers, cutting down rainforests, and pollution in cities i.e Bangkok. And all other things that were the rage as ‘Greenhouse gases’. The increase in Greenhouse gases is not killing us, I was told, and no one knows how the ozone levels were many centuries before. Our coordinator told me, the sun does not really heat the earth directly otherwise we would shrivel, the heat is taken in by the land’s surface and reflected upwards. Hence air terminals over cities and open land or forests are completely different. Cities create their own micro-climates, i.e.,.UHI. He also mentioned sea levels have gone up and down and nothing to worry about it. Land sinks too. Particularly atolls. I knew this years ago. We were flying over either Fiji or somewhere and the pilot said ‘That atoll won’t be around in another 20 years as it is sinking. Our co-ordinator also said sun spot activity creates our weather, as this usually is around when we have drought in parts of coastal Australia then. But the rain would come, and most probably we would experience floods.
Rain in Australia is more prevalent around the coast due to evaporation from the sea. And fifty miles inland, it starts to decrease. Rain forests do exude moisture into the atmosphere, and when removed to turn into pasture, the cloud level goes up and less rain. So – how is it, high in our atmosphere it is freezing cold, (not space) and deserts like the Sahara without cloud, are hot during the day, and temps drop dramatically at night (sometimes minus C in their winter). Now if this is just a first year course, were does this leave men like Mann and Jones who are inventing their own physics and climatology. I took this course 11 years ago. Ridiculous.
@wayne Job at 5:24 pm
Jones and his cronies have painted themselves into a corner, their corruption of the data base is coming back to bite their bums.
They are in so deep, there is only one possible course of action. Continue the Bluff.
Video Clip from “A Guide for the Married Man” “If your are caught, Deny, Deny, Deny”