Lindzen libeled by Nuccitelli

Guest essay by Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

Dana Nuccitelli of Unskeptical Science has written a characteristically spiteful piece in the Guardian about Professor Lindzen. The piece constitutes a grave libel.

Britain, still to some extent a free country, is one up on the U.S. in allowing anyone – even a public figure – to sue for libel, especially where, as here, he is libeled in his profession. That typically triples the damages.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, here are Nuccitelli’s allegations, in bold and in order of appearance, followed in each instance by the truth.

Lindzen “is one of the approximately 3% of climate scientists who believe the human influence on climate is relatively small”.

Yet the data file attached to a paper Nuccitelli co-authored last year marked only 64 papers out of 11,944 – or just 0.5% – as stating they believed the human influence on climate is not “relatively small”, in that they agree with the IPCC that more than half of the global warming since 1950 was manmade. Nuccitelli knew there was no consensus.

Lindzen’s iris hypothesis that changes in water vapor would dampen global warming “have been refuted”, in that measurements show water vapor increasing in the atmosphere and amplifying global warming.

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Figure 1. Column water vapor, showing a decline from 1984-2012 at the crucial mid-troposphere pressure altitude.

Water vapor is not a well-mixed greenhouse gas and cannot be reliably measured. There are some measurements that purport to show column water vapor increasing in the atmosphere, and others, equally reputable (Fig. 1), that purport to show it decreasing.

In any event, Professor Lindzen’s iris hypothesis is concerned less with column water vapor and more with the occurrence and influence of a specific cloud type at altitude.

Lindzen was wrong to say climate change in the past 100 years has been minimal, in that “the current rate of warming is unprecedented over the past 11,000 years”.

The world warmed by 0.72 Cº in the past 100 years (HadCRUt4, December 1913 to November 2013). This rate of warming is far from “unprecedented over the past 11,000 years”. In Central England, warming at a rate equivalent to 4.33 Cº/century (Fig. 2) was measured over the four decades 1694-1733. That rate, six times the rate observed in the past 100 years, occurred before the Industrial Revolution even began.

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Figure 2. Central England temperature anomalies and trend, January 1694 to December 1733.

The Central England record is a reasonable proxy for global temperature change because the region is at an appropriate latitude. To verify this, I compared the Central England regional temperature record and the mean of the HadCRUt4, GISS, and NCDC global temperature datasets over the 120 years December 1893 to November 2013. The 120-year period was chosen because it is a multiple of 60 years, canceling out any distorting effects of the 60-year cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

Results (Fig. 3) show that the Central England record, which began in 1659, is indeed a respectable proxy for global temperature change in the period before the global instrumental record began in 1850.

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Figure 3. The global temperature anomaly record (above) shows warming at a rate equivalent to 0.74 Cº/century. The Central England record (below) shows much the same: 0.78 Cº/century equivalent.

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The warming of the 20th century was not “unprecedented”. On the evidence of the warming of 1694 to 1733 in central England, it was well within natural variability.

The “15-year pause myth” is “completely debunked … surface warming over the past decade turns out to be more than double previous estimates”.

Once again, it is necessary to look at the actual data. The mean of all five principal global temperature datasets shows no global warming for almost 13 years; the RSS satellite dataset shows no global warming for 17 years 4 months; and the Central England dataset shows no warming for 25 full years (Fig. 4).

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Figure 4. Zero global warming for 13, 17, and 25 years respectively.

Given the unanimity of the global temperature records demonstrating The Pause, it cannot be credibly stated that it has been “completely debunked”: and still less was it appropriate for Mr. Nuccitelli viciously to attack Professor Lindzen on this ground.

The climate “continues to accumulate heat at a rate equivalent to 4 Hiroshima bomb detonations per second”.

That statement is tendentiously political, not scientific, and it has no scientific basis. Since the outer boundary of the Earth-atmosphere system is outer space, the appropriate measure to determine whether radiant energy is in net terms accumulating in the atmosphere is the time-integral of total solar irradiance. On that basis, even if one were to believe the IPCC’s now-discredited estimates of climate sensitivity, it is possible – indeed, quite likely – that a net loss of energy from the Earth-atmosphere system is now underway. If so, global temperature may even fall, in which event the “4 Hiroshimas per second” meme is still more clearly demonstrable nonsense.

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Figure 5. The IPCC abandons the models’ more extreme projections.

“The accuracy of climate models” has been “much better than Lindzen claims”.

Even the IPCC no longer buys that one. For the first time in its undistinguished history, it has explicitly accepted that the models are unreliable and has substituted its “expert judgment” for the models’ output. It is worth repeating the two graphs (Fig. 5) showing the IPCC’s startling but universally-unreported climbdown.

The first graph shows, in pink, the IPCC’s 0.4-1.0 Cº projection for the next 30 years, visibly in line with the models, from the pre-final draft of the 2013 Fifth Assessment Report. The second graph shows, in green, the drastically-revised projection of 0.3-0.7 Cº, with a best estimate below the mid-range and hence in the region of 0.4 Cº. Thus, the former mid-range estimate becomes the high-end estimate, and the former low-end estimate becomes the best estimate – a drop of almost half compared with the previous mid-range estimate.

Even this new, drastically-reduced estimate may well be excessive. The monthly Global Warming Prediction Index (Fig. 6), now adjusted to show the lower IPCC projections, still shows the prediction running hot compared with observed reality.

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Figure 6. The Global Warming Prediction Index, showing the IPCC’s predicted temperature change in the nine years 2005-2013 overshooting observation by an eighth of a Celsius degree, equivalent to 1.5 Cº/century.

Lindzen was wrong to say that the likelihood over the next century of greenhouse warming reaching magnitudes comparable to natural variability seemed small.

Since natural variability has yielded warming at 4.33 Cº/century within the past 350 years, Professor Lindzen is very likely to prove correct in saying that warming by 2100 will be unlikely to exceed natural variability. Here Nuccitelli is blaming Professor Lindzen for exercising his professional judgment, which is very likely to prove a great deal closer to the mark than the amateur prejudice of Nuccitelli.

There is “much more [warming] to come over the next century”.

Nuccitelli is entitled to his no-doubt profitable opinion, but on the evidence there could be as little as 1 Cº global warming between now and 2100.

Hansen’s prediction of future warming made in 1988 has proven closer to reality than a prediction based on statements by Lindzen in 1989

Mr. Nuccitelli’s chief evidence for this claim is Fig. 7, which purports to show the global temperature record compared with James Hansen’s 1988 temperature projection and with an imagined projection by Professor Lindzen.

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Figure 7. Nuccitelli’s graph purporting to show that Hansen’s global warming projection of 1988 proved closer to outturn than Lindzen’s supposed projection of 1989.

However, Nuccitelli’s graph is gravely defective at the four points labeled A to D in Fig. 6:

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Figure 6. The four defects A-D in Nuccitelli’s graph.

The four defects in Nuccitelli’s graph are as follows. A jury would take a dim view:

A: Before the U.S. Senate on 23 June 1988, Hansen said that his Scenario A, which predicted 0.5 Cº/decade warming to 2060, was the “business-as-usual” case; yet Nuccitelli has only shown Hansen’s less exaggerated Scenario B.

B. Nuccitelli talks of Professor Lindzen having made a prediction in 1989: yet his fictitious graph of Lindzen’s imaginary “prediction” is fully half a Celsius degree below the observed temperature in 1989.

C: Nuccitelli carefully omits to show the last few years of no global warming, concealing the fact that the observed outturn is now well below even Hansen’s Scenario B.

D: Nuccitelli assumes negligible natural variability, when it is not less than 1 Cº/century.

The major difference between Lindzen and Galileo was that Galileo was right.

Actually, Galileo was wrong. The Church, as well as informed scientific opinion, had long agreed that the Earth orbits the Sun and not the other way about. However, Galileo had drawn inappropriate theological conclusions from heliocentricity, perpetrating the notorious non sequitur that since the Earth was not the centre of the Universe the Incarnation and Crucifixion were of less importance than the Church maintained. It was Galileo’s theological conclusion the Church objected to, not the scientific conclusion that the Sun is at the center of the solar system. Galileo had persisted in a curmudgeonly refusal to recant his non sequitur. Seven of the ten cardinals who tried him offered him a compromise: if he would recant his assertion that the Earth went round the Sun his theological conclusion would fall away and there would be no need for him to recant it. He agreed to this: but three of the Cardinals, to their credit, refused to sign this nonsensical agreement, to which neither the majority of the Bench nor the accused ought ever to have assented.

Professor Lindzen is “an outlier whose arguments have been disproved time and time again, including about the link between smoking and lung cancer”.

Not one of Professor Lindzen’s arguments has been “disproved”, though several have not been fashionable and have been opposed, on various generally shaky grounds, in the literature. It is a serious libel to suggest that his arguments have been “disproved” when they have merely been disagreed with in some quarters.

And, as far as I know, Professor Lindzen does not dispute the well-established link between smoking and lung cancer, though he would be within his rights to dispute the imagined link between passive smoking and lung cancer. There is a 1:10 million risk that a non-smoker will contract lung cancer, and a 1:8 million risk that a passive smoker will contract lung cancer. The difference between the two risk rates is statistically insignificant.

The EPA’s decision to regulate passive smoke as though it were a class A carcinogen was vacated by a U.S. Federal District Judge in North Carolina in 1998. The judge said: “The court is faced with the ugly possibility that EPA adopted a methodology for each chapter, without explanation, based on the outcome sought in that chapter.” The court also noted an EPA internal document admitting that the evidence was insufficient to classify passively-inhaled smoke as a class A carcinogen, and that the EPA had not followed its own classification guidelines. The court found evidence that the EPA had cherry-picked its data, and used the term “cherry-picked” in its judgment. The court held that EPA’s exclusion of nearly half the available studies violated its own guidelines, which required it to review all the available evidence. EPA was also held to have fallen foul of the law by explicitly refusing to research all aspects of indoor air quality.

Interestingly, the court also found that EPA, in switching from the usual 95% to a 90% statistical confidence interval, “to increase the likelihood that its meta-analysis would appear statistically significant”. That is exactly what the IPCC did in 2007. Even then, the EPA found a relative risk of only 1.19, which is only “weakly associative”; and, if it had included the studies it had excluded, it would not have been able to demonstrate a relative risk greater than unity at all. EPA had adopted an a priori position and had then adjusted the statistical methodology and sampling in an attempt to confirm that position.

The court concluded that, “Using its own methodology and its selected studies, EPA did not demonstrate a statistically significant association between ETS and lung cancer. … EPA changed its methodology to find a statistically significant association.”

If, therefore, Professor Lindzen challenges the EPA’s self-justifying association between passive smoking and lung cancer, he is in excellent company.

Gentlemen of the jury, those are the facts. You have heard Mr. Nuccitelli’s arguments, and you have heard the response of science to them. Briefly, let us consider the law.

At many points, Nuccitelli has flagrantly misrepresented the scientific position with intent to harm Professor Lindzen’s reputation, and at some point it can be shown that he knew the truth but chose to suppress or misstate it. At many other points, he has presented the science as though it were settled when in fact Professor Lindzen’s position remains undisproved, even though some may disagree with it. And Nuccitelli’s attempt to smear him by falsely accusing him of repudiating the link between lung cancer and smoking was calculated still further to damage his reputation, at the point of his retirement, by suggesting – incorrectly – an entire disregard of the scientific method on his part.

Gentlemen of the jury, you are also entitled to take into consideration the unpleasant, malicious, spiteful tone of Mr. Nuccitelli’s article, its wide circulation on the website of a substantial national newspaper, and Mr. Nuccitelli’s failure to consult Professor Lindzen to verify the facts before what you may well regard as a malevolent and wholly unjustifiable attempt at professional and character assassination for purely partisan political reasons, and without a shred of scientific justification at any point.

What is your verdict? From my own knowledge of the Professor and his distinguished work, I find Nuccitelli’s piece misleading, offensive, and cruel. Damages will be huge.

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John Whitman
January 14, 2014 8:36 am

Steven Mosher on January 13, 2014 at 9:43 pm
Galileo has a case.

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Steven Mosher,
Yes, he does. Who will litigate and where will it be litigated?
John

Dr C
January 14, 2014 8:41 am

Reply negrum (January 14, 2014 at 5:57 am):
Your conclusion is correct. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church was that geocentrism was the correct cosmology. There were those within the RC Church who disagreed with the official line, most notably Marin Mersenne, who was an ardent critic of Galileo until he actually read what Galileo wrote and came over to Galileo’s view. Rene Descartes also agreed with Galileo, but after the 1632 trial, Descartes decided not to publish his work Le Monde for fear of getting the same treatment. The best (i.e., relevant to this discussion) work on Galileo is probably Richard Blackwell’s Behind the Scenes at Galileo’s Trial.
Reply Mr Monckton (January 14, 2014 at 2:23 am),
Please bear in mind that I am almost wholly appreciative of your remonstrance to Nuccitelli; I offer my critiques only in the interest of strengthening your point. Having said that, and again apologizing for being somewhat off-topic, I feel compelled to reply to this: One commenter asserts that the doctrine of transubstantiation had only recently been declared in Galileo’s time. On the contrary, it had been declared by Christ Himself, Who said, “This is my body”, without ifs or buts. You are confusing ‘Real Presence’ with ‘transubstantiation.’ ‘Real Presence’ is a doctrine agreed to by Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran and (most) Anglican churches. ‘Transubstantiation,’ on the other hand, is a term coined by Thomas Aquinas (therefor your putting it on Pliny and other’s lips is anachronistic), as a way of explaining how -specifically in the language of Aristotelian matter theory- the bread and wine turned into the body and blood of Christ. So, ‘transubstantiation’ is a 13th-century term, which was mere speculation until, in direct response to the Protestant Reformation, the RC Church launched the Council of Trent and elevated Thomas’s theory to actual Doctrine. This is the important part: Aristotelian physics became inextricably wed to Roman Catholic doctrine at the close of the Council of Trent in 1563. Thirty-two years later, an Italian mathematician named Galileo rolled a few balls off a table and discovered that Aristotelian matter-theory was bunk. Fully twenty-one years before the first trial, Galileo knew that the church had pitched its tent on the wrong field.
Bringing all this home, the better analogy is that modern academia represents the ‘Church,’ Dr Mann, Dr Jones, et alia represent the obstinate Jesuits who doubled down on bad theory, Nuccitelli is the court fool, and the part of the cranky mathematician (Galileo) is played by Mr McIntyre.

January 14, 2014 9:21 am

Here is an idea. Why not turn this into a class action thing for libeling all us “sceptics” as “unscientic deniers”?

Matt G
January 14, 2014 9:30 am

“Lindzen “is one of the approximately 3% of climate scientists who believe the human influence on climate is relatively small”.”
While we know this is incorrect, in science:
It only takes one person to be correct.

January 14, 2014 9:31 am

The accusation that Professor Lindzen denies the link between smoking and lung cancer – inevitably trotted out by Nuccitelli in his unspeakable article in the Guardian – is a deliberate smear. Gareth Phillips ought not to have confused the issue by arguing the toss on whether passive smoking is dangerous, and he should certainly have been grown-up enough not to say that I had given “advice” to the effect that anyone should chain-smoke anywhere, let alone “in the same room as children and others”: for the head posting had neither said nor implied anything of the kind.
I have not studied the question whether passive smoking is as dangerous as some maintain. My comments were cautiously expressed. I said that if Professor Lindzen had questioned the link between passive smoking and lung cancer, then he might have a case and would be in good company. And I cited, in some detail, the judgment of a Federal District Court in North Carolina to the effect that the EPA had not established a statistically significant link between passive smoking and lung cancer.
It is not clear that Professor Lindzen had said anything more than that the scientific case for a link between passive smoking and lung cancer had not been soundly made. In 1991, an article in Consumer Research entitled “Passive Smoking: How Great a Hazard?”, says:
“Richard Lindzen … has emphasized that problems will arise where we will need to depend on scientific judgement, and by ruining our credibility now we leave society with a resource of some importance diminished. The implementation of public policies must be based on good science, to the degree that it is available, and not on emotion or on political needs. Those who develop such policies must not stray from sound scientific investigations, based only on accepted scientific methodologies.”
The article concludes: “Such has not always been the case with environmental tobacco smoke.” But that remark may or not have been made by Professor Lindzen.
In future, perhaps Mr. Phillips would do better to adhere to the Eschenbach Rule: if he wants to attribute statements to me, let him at least make some effort to quote the head posting accurately, rather than simply making stuff up.
If he makes stuff up about what I said in the head posting, how much reliance can be placed about his comments on climate science? More intellectual honesty, personal integrity, and scientific competence, please.

John Whitman
January 14, 2014 9:35 am

Christopher Monckton has advised Richard Lindzen to consider a legal remedy for the Guardian’s (Dana Nuccitelli’s) falsities.
Monckton suggests that Lindzen test “the strength of the potential libel case by approaching a canny firm of lawyers . . . and asking them to decide whether they’d be willing to take the case on a contingency basis – no foal, no fee”.
I think, even if such lawyers agree on the merits for going forward legally on that basis, a circumspect view should be considered first. I think an open attempt at scientific community self-correction first would be better strategy; that is having a full public dialog with scientists exposing the Guardian (Nuccitelli). Will organizations like the GWPF assist?
Another different thought => I think Lindzen’s intellectual independence of Moncton should be kept publicly clear.
John

Stephen Richards
January 14, 2014 9:40 am

Nuccitelli is a cretin thug. At least in the intellectual world anyway
Only in words and at a safe distance. People such as Nutti are basically cowards.

John@EF
January 14, 2014 9:48 am

“In future, perhaps Mr. Phillips would do better to adhere to the Eschenbach Rule: if he wants to attribute statements to me, let him at least make some effort to quote the head posting accurately, rather than simply making stuff up.”
~ Monckton of Brenchley ~
Stark raving irony alert …

negrum
January 14, 2014 9:58 am

Dr C says:
January 14, 2014 at 8:41 am
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Thank you for the clarifiction.

January 14, 2014 10:00 am

“Dr. C” quibbles about the meaning of transubstantiation and appears to make the same species of mistake as Galileo in drawing an inappropriate theological conclusion from Galileo’s refutation of Aristotle’s matter theory. Transubstantiation is merely a method of describing the transformation of the substance of bread and wine into the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. The accidental appearance of the bread and wine conceals the substantial reality of the Body of Christ. It was Aristotle’s doctrine of substance and accidence, not of matter, that the Church adopted in seeking to explain the miracle of the Last Supper.
Transubstantiation is not, therefore, a new doctrine: it is merely a way of borrowing from Aristotle to illuminate the original doctrine, widely repudiated by the Protestant churches (see, for instance, the 39 Articles, Luther’s theses, or Calvin’s institutes), that “this is My Body” and “this is My Blood”. That is why, contrary to “Dr. C’s” assertion, my citation of Pliny’s letter to Trajan is relevant. The Church’s teaching was, and is, plain.
In any event, the theological conclusions tendentiously drawn by Galileo from heliocentricity were concerned not with transubstantiation but with the centrality of the Incarnation. In all of this, we wander somewhat from climate science: but that is where the ridiculous Nuccitelli led us.

Bugs Man
January 14, 2014 10:00 am

@negrum
Thanks for clearing that up.
I thought you were having a poke at me, and could not understand why.
It seems we were singing from the same songsheet, but in different keys and tempos!
Is that a Rap?
All the best…

richardscourtney
January 14, 2014 10:03 am

John Whitman:
As is usual with your posts, at January 14, 2014 at 9:35 am you completely misunderstand the issue

I think, even if such lawyers agree on the merits for going forward legally on that basis, a circumspect view should be considered first. I think an open attempt at scientific community self-correction first would be better strategy; that is having a full public dialog with scientists exposing the Guardian (Nuccitelli).

Nuccitelli has libeled Lindzen. That is a matter of law not science.
So, there is no scientific issue so there is no possible “scientific community self-correction”.
And I resist the severe temptation to comment on your claim that you “think”.
Richard

January 14, 2014 10:33 am

Wandering into theology unfortunately smokescreens the case. The untruths are clear, and should be kept that way. Sadly, however, is the fact that the Guardian’s case is so blatantly incorrect, that even the dimmer bulbs shed enough light to enable them to see through to the truth, or at least realize that Lindzen is a most worthy climatologist!

Dr C
January 14, 2014 10:45 am

Mr. Monckton,
Our other interlocutors have probably had enough theology for one thread. But there’s no need to put my moniker in scare quotes. I hold the Ph.D. in History of Science from an R1 university and my family name begins with the letter ‘C.’
Thanks again for the article.

pokerguy
January 14, 2014 11:01 am

From what I know about Professor Lindzen, I’m guessing he’s not the litigious type. Let Nutter say what he wants. It’s a free country. I imagine that would be LIndzen’s response. Anyone taken in by this Nutter is not amenable to reason in any case.
Mr. Monckton is a smart and entertaining fellow, but a tad off the beam at times, imvho.

January 14, 2014 11:11 am

Dr C:
I think Lord Monckton was putting your screen name in quotes because you are being anonymous. Not because you are scary.
You are not scary here, see, because readers here know basic science at least, thus, the alarmist scare tactics don’t work.
If you really do hold a PhD in the history of science, then no doubt you have knowledge of many similar scares that have been perpetrated in order to support an agenda. In the instant example, the agenda is the unscientific claim that human CO2 emissions will cause runaway global warming and climate catastrophe. That scare is responsible for wasting many $billions, because there is exactly zero testable scientific evidence to support it. Educated folks should be up in arms over that Chicken Little anti-science.
Finally, if you don’t want “Dr C” to be in quotes, there is a simple remedy: use your real name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pokerguy:
I’ve found Prof Lindzen to be very well grounded. So I would like any examples of being ‘off the beam at times’, if you have them.
TIA.

January 14, 2014 11:40 am

“M Courtney says:
January 14, 2014 at 5:52 am
Julian in Wales says at January 14, 2014 at 5:48 am:
Maybe.
Perhaps the mods would be kind enough to pass my email address to you, privately.”
Julian (at) hisprivatemail.c o m

KNR
January 14, 2014 12:00 pm

What is your verdict?
That when all you can make is BS, then all you have to sell is BS.
The real shame , as many times before , is the scientific establishment failure to call out the fact its BS. And for that we may all end up paying the price,

John Whitman
January 14, 2014 12:01 pm

John Whitman on January 14, 2014 at 8:36 am said,

Steven Mosher on January 13, 2014 at 9:43 pm said,
Galileo has a case.

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Steven Mosher,
Yes, he does. Who will litigate and where will it be litigated?
John

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I thank Monckton for his extensive and persistent running commentary on the Roman Catholic Church versus Galileo.
Further to my above quoted comment, Galileo should finally have a trial and not the mockery of a church proceeding. The inheritors of modern Western Civilization owe Galileo justice.
As justification for a trial for Galileo I offer this passage from the book ‘A History of Christianity’ by Paul Johnson.

“””The harsh treatment of Galileo by the Roman Inquisition in 1633 was determined, at least in part, by Pope Urban VIII’s belief that Galileo was somehow linked to Bruno’s heresies, and that his ‘Dialogue of the Two Great World Systems’, setting out Copernican theory, was full of hidden Hermetic symbolism. Less foolhardy than Bruno, Galileo made a full submission: “. . . With sincere heart and unfeigned faith I abjure, curse and detest the aforesaid errors and heresies”; nor is it true that he then added “Eppur si muove”, which might have led to his death. What he did do was to note in the margin of his own copy of the ‘Dialogue’: “In the matter of introducing novelties. And who can doubt that it will lead to the worst disorders when minds created free by God are compelled to submit slavishly to an outside will? When we are told to deny our senses and subject them to the whim of others? When people of whatsoever competence are made judges over experts and are granted authority to treat them as they please? These are the novelties which are apt to bring about the ruin of commonwealth and the subversion of the state.” See G. de Santillana, ‘The Crime of Galileo’ (Chicago, 1955); and C. A. Ronan, ‘Galileo’ (London, 1974).”””
Passage above in triple quotation marks (“””) was taken from “A History of Christianity” by Paul Johnson (Simon & Schuster 1976/1995)

John

Gareth Phillips
January 14, 2014 12:16 pm

John@EF says:
January 14, 2014 at 9:48 am
“In future, perhaps Mr. Phillips would do better to adhere to the Eschenbach Rule: if he wants to attribute statements to me, let him at least make some effort to quote the head posting accurately, rather than simply making stuff up.”
~ Monckton of Brenchley ~
Stark raving irony alert …
LOL! Best wishes, Gareth

richardscourtney
January 14, 2014 12:25 pm

Gareth Phillips:
re your post at January 14, 2014 at 12:16 pm.
I laughed at the stupidity of John@EF. too.
But there was no need to quote it because it was seen to be stupid the first time.
Richard

BBould
January 14, 2014 12:36 pm

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7 says:
January 14, 2014 at 6:57 am
BBould says:
January 14, 2014 at 6:53 am
“Yet the data file attached to a paper Nuccitelli co-authored last year marked only 64 papers out of 11,944 – or just 0.5% –” I got .005% did I do something wrong?
0.005 is 0.5%; the original value is correct:
(( 64 * 100 ) / 11944) = 0.5358
which is the way to calculate percentage.
Thanks much Alan I had a brain fart and know better but its been one of those mornings.

Jack C
January 14, 2014 1:27 pm

Regarding Dr Lindzens iris hypothesis – please correct me if I am wrong here, but I thought he said himself that this was a theory that had now been disproved and he wished people would stop referring to it as this is how science is done. I read this in an interview on the net a couple of years ago and cannot find it now.
I also believe his links to smoking was that he did some work for the tobbacco industry and what he basically said was “The medical evidence has to be of the highest quality” – I don’t believe he ever said that smoking does not cause cancer.

Gareth Phillips
January 14, 2014 1:30 pm

Monckton states that “There is a 1:10 million risk that a non-smoker will contract lung cancer, and a 1:8 million risk that a passive smoker will contract lung cancer. The difference between the two risk rates is statistically insignificant”
Many people will take that as an indication he believes that the health risk from second hand smoke is negligible. What other interpretation can be derived? Or does he mean you may get Chronic bronchitis, Emphysema, Heart disease, Raynauds or whatever, but not lung cancer? Another poster has taken this even further by reporting that second hand smoking has a certain protective effect on children.
I have deep concerns about such statements. People who see Monckton as an expert resource and are convinced by Monckton’s asserting that there is a negligible risk to others from second hand smoke because they are unlikely to get lung cancer are likely to view smoking in company as less of a risk to others. Children rarely object if they are part of that company. I have no fundamental objection to tobacco, but to suggest second hand smoke does not cause lung cancer without pointing out it is still a habit which will kill you is indeed worrying, It would have been useful if when highlighting research which showed a poor correlation between second hand smoke and lung cancer, such statements were tempered with the added information that smoking remains a lethal habit for you and those around you. Apologies to Monckton for suggesting he did not have any issue with smoking in the company of children, I acknowledge my error due to confusing the contents of separate posts..
ps ‘It is estimated that exposure to ETS in the home causes around 11,000 deaths in the UK each year from lung cancer, stroke and ischaemic heart disease’ Jamrozik K. Estimate of deaths attributable to passive smoking among UK adults: database analysis. BMJ 2005; 330(7495):812

Gareth Phillips
January 14, 2014 1:34 pm

richardscourtney says:
January 14, 2014 at 12:25 pm
Gareth Phillips:
re your post at January 14, 2014 at 12:16 pm.
I laughed at the stupidity of John@EF. too.
But there was no need to quote it because it was seen to be stupid the first time.
Richard
Maybe Richard, but a good joke or observation never suffers from being repeated eh!
Gareth