Is Greenpeace facing its Warsawgrad?

Guest opinion by Fred F. Mueller

In large-scale wars, there are sometimes prolonged periods of fierce clashes with neither side being able to place the decisive blow that will ultimately tilt the balance in its favor. Then all of a sudden, certain events occur that mark the decisive turning point where one side definitely loses the strength to continue posing a threat to its opponents. From that decisive moment on, it will lose the initiative, being largely confined to defensive actions and hoping to be able to force its opponents to accept a peace agreement instead of having to face the enormous costs of a prolonged war. One of the most famous turning points in World War II was the battle for Stalingrad, where the seemingly unstoppable German onslaught could finally be brought to a standstill. The outcome is well known: Hitlers annihilation a few years later.

Switching to our times, one might well get the impression that in the decades-long war of Greenpeace, WWF and their countless NGO brethren for control of the public opinion about the so-called global warming threat allegedly caused by human CO2 emissions, such a turning point has been reached. The UN meeting in Warsaw (Poland), where further measures to curb these emissions should have been laid on keel, has seen a number of leading countries bluntly refusing to continue supporting the scam while many others stayed on the sidelines, paying lip-service to the noble cause of saving the climate and the planet while abstaining from any sizeable commitments. Maybe historians wanting to highlight the real dimensions of the blow dealt to the CO2 alarmists might coin the word Warsawgrad later on. Having failed to reach any substantial accord on the main question, the focus of the event has instead shifted to financial aspects, with third world countries trying to extort as many billions as possible from developed nations under the pretense that they should be held liable for each and any natural disaster happening on their territory. Upon seeing the related list, one wonders why they haven’t come up with claims to include asteroid impacts, earthquakes, tsunamis and volcano eruptions as well. But there might still be room for improvement…

The CO2 alarm finally seems to run out of steam

The clear impression one can draw from the course of events and the echo it finds in the media is that the CO2 scam advanced by Greenpeace and their numerous allies in state agencies, scientific institutions and the media is finally losing traction. The greed of too many profiteers has generated costs and technical consequences in key industry sectors to such an extent that the tide in public opinion seems to be finally turning, at least in some more lucid countries such as Autralia. Of course, just as in many other historic examples, the final shot has not yet been fired, but from now on, it seems likely that the faithful of the Anthropogenous Global Warming (AGW) belief will have to fight an uphill battle. While some country leaders such as Germany’s Merkel still seem staunchly committed to continue their course, it is becoming increasingly obvious that a number of decisive nations such as Canada, Australia and Japan are already manning the lifeboats. And as in the case of a dam break, once the first cracks have appeared, the subsequent sequence of events will probably follow the usual scheme. We might eventually see a stampede of highly qualified story-tellers and academic charlatans flooding out of all sorts of state agencies und NGO-related consulting services in a frantic search for new fields of activity.

In quest for new business models

One signal hinting that this threat has already been clearly perceived in the leading ranks of Greenpeace are new or newly revived ideas for alternative business models being floated by prominent members of the organization. If the public gets tired of sinking money into the CO2 black hole, fresh ideas have to be brought forward in order to save the planet from humanity while keeping the flow of donations at current high levels. Among the ideas currently thrown into the discussion are plastic garbage in the oceans, with subtle modifications such as micro-plastic particles coming back into the human food chain or causing fish liver damages. Other topics that might well be rediscovered after having been left dormant for some years are fine dust particles in the air, pharmaceutical active substances in the water or the noise levels inextricably linked to business and traffic activities. The bets are open which ideas will replace the CO2 hypothesis once the wheels are definitely coming off the current model.

Chinese cleverness

Upon reviewing the evolution of the CO2-related blame game that has been going on at such UN events over the past two decades, one cannot but pay respect to the clever strategy of one country that had been put on the pillory for excessive emission of CO2 not too long ago: China. In pace with its remarkable economic rise, the country has in the meantime overtaken all other countries to become the biggest CO2 emitter in the world. Nevertheless, this time it has been successfully avoiding to be blamed, forging an alliance of poor and developing nations instead that is aggressively claiming billions of money in compensation from developed Western nations while shielding the CO2 gorilla in their ranks. According to some reports, even renewed political efforts by the US administration have ultimately failed to drive a wedge into this coalition.

Is the smart money shifting focus?

Another development that can be observed in parallel to the Warsaw events is a shift in financial streams that seems to take place in the wake of the debacle the AGW proponents have suffered in Warsaw. While we might still be years away from a decisive collapse of the “climate-saving” energy policies still upheld by a number of politicians such as EU Commissioner Conny Hedegaard or President Obama, who have gone way too far in their ignorance of the laws of physics, markets and common sense to be able to back down without losing face, the smart money seems to have immediately gotten the message. Uranium shares, which had been on a constant decline since the Fukushima events, are currently experiencing a sudden rise that might well signal the sector has bottomed out. With news from Spain indicating that people operating solar cells for their private consumption while maintaining their connection to the power grid will now become liable to pay a special levy, chances are that more and more banks and trusts will start to rate investments into such projects as “higher risk”. On the other hand, investments in uranium and coal mines as well as in conventional power equipment producers and operators might become attractive again after a prolonged period on the dark and cold side of the markets.

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charles stegiel
November 23, 2013 1:26 pm

The observation in regards to methane is only that it can also be used to rally the troops around human caused climate catastrophe. I post it to present the next front you will be fighting on after carbon. This war using climate is not going to end. Too much money to be made, too many reputations to be built, tremendous ego gratification to be had saving the world. We will have a world state and a world church of green, and though the struggle will be long and fought by science, the long march through the institutions almost guarantees the triumph of the Neo-Feudal Corporate order. Bad ideas and criminal elites perpetuated militarism to save the West so I see no reason for the Better Green Than Dead strategy to fail in capturong hearts and minds.

John R Walker
November 23, 2013 1:27 pm

About 90% of Europe’s carbon trading scam is based in London and it’s on its knees…
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cbb749ba-506b-11e3-9f0d-00144feabdc0.html
Most of the major energy supply companies in the UK are now openly (partially) blaming green taxes and levies for the insane prices charged to domestic customers – in other words the energy companies have broken their long conspiracy of silence on the cost of the EU + UK governments’ so-called green subsidies and started to tell it like it is…
When the rats start jumping off the ship we can be pretty sure it’s about to sink!
However, there are still thousands of red-green snouts in the trough around the world who will fight a rearguard action to preserve their carbon fraud based life-styles. As long as they are able to talk absolute drivel with the ‘authority’ of the UN then we can’t expect them to go down quietly…

mrollyk
November 23, 2013 1:31 pm

Charles Stegiel says:
November 23, 2013 at 12:07 pm

“Either way, the end-conclusion is that the methane that is now showing up all over the Arctic Ocean, is rising from the seafloor, due to destabilization of sediments that hold huge amounts of methane in the form of free gas and hydrates. As warming in the Arctic continues to accelerate, the danger is that this will cause more methane to rise from the seafloor and that the methane itself will contribute to warming in the Arctic, in a deadly spiral set to cause abrupt climate change at a devastating scale.”

The end conclusion Charles, is that methane has bubbled up in large quantities from sea floor disturbances in the long past without a runaway greenhouse, which should be obvious considering you’re alive to copy and paste alarmist drivel.
And “warming in the arctic continues to accelerate” is a lie. The charts show the opposite.

November 23, 2013 1:40 pm

Copenhagen was the high watermark for the Green insurgents.
The failure there was the turning point for Greenpeace and co.
And the failure was more analogous to the Battle of Borodino than Stalingrad: An overly long struggle that won the field at the expense of momentum and the aura of invincibility that drew the waverers to Bonaparte’s side.
All that was left was the looting and the retreat to where they started.
Warsaw is just a step back to the beginning – now burdened with the trophies.

ferdberple
November 23, 2013 1:47 pm

Charles Stegiel says:
November 23, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Either way, the end-conclusion is that the methane that is now showing up all over the Arctic Ocean, is rising from the seafloor
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nope, its coming from the fault line. which is to be expected because methane (natural gas) is not the product of decomposed dinosaurs after all. It is created by the reduction of limestone (CO2) and super heated steam in presence of iron within the earth.
limestone + water + iron + heat ===> natural gas + other hydrocarbons + iron rich rock
Being lighter than water, the methane percolates upwards. some gets trapped in the ground, the rest is released to the atmosphere and consumed by bacteria to produce CO2, water, and more bacteria. eventually the CO2 gets bound up in the oceans as limestone, subducted into the earth by plate tectonics, and recycled back into methane and other hydrocarbons so we can fill our cars and drive around.
thus, when you drive your car, you are recycling. recycling CO2 from eons ago, that the earth converted into limestone then hydrocarbons, and were eventually used to fill your tank.

ferdberple
November 23, 2013 1:49 pm

or more correctly:
limestone + water + iron + heat + pressure ==> natural gas + other hydrocarbons + iron rich rock

Scott
November 23, 2013 1:52 pm

I would argue that rather than the war analogy that the closer analogy is that the world is coming out of its second dark age.

MarkG
November 23, 2013 1:53 pm

“I don’t see our goal as to win a ‘final victory’ over them. My desire isn’t to wipe out any ideology.”
And that is why they keep coming back. If you refuse to win, you lose.
After the Cold War, we could have collected all the available Soviet records in the chaos that followed, and held treason trials for everyone on the Soviet payroll. We were too nice for that, so they continue to fester in the heart of Western nations, and will find something else to push once ‘Global Warming’ loses its power.

Bruce Cobb
November 23, 2013 2:10 pm

One of the headlines was “Warsaw climate talks limp to a conclusion”. Someone commented “If they’re limping, I suggest breaking the other leg”.

Jimbo
November 23, 2013 2:19 pm

Charles Stegiel says:
November 23, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Gentlehommes, there is always Methane.
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2013
High Methane Levels all over Arctic Ocean……..
As warming in the Arctic continues to accelerate, the danger is that this will cause more methane to rise from the seafloor and that the methane itself will contribute to warming in the Arctic, in a deadly spiral set to cause abrupt climate change at a devastating scale.

Charles, the issue is what other time period can they compare this too as re IASA images.? Is what they are seeing out of the ordinary? Did it occur at any time in the last 100 years? 300 years? They don’t know. Gavin Schmitdt thinks the methane hydrate Arctic scare is bullsh!t. I call it bullsh!t in light of the ice free Arctic periods during the Holocene which lasted for hundreds of years.

clipe
November 23, 2013 2:21 pm

Is Greenpeace facing its Warsawgrad?
I don’t think so. More like climategate was the Battle of Britain, Copenhagen was Pearl Harbor and the Battle of The Atlantic is in progress.
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.” – Winston Churchill
I highly recommend “Battlefield” for those interested in the intricacies of WW2.

Jon
November 23, 2013 2:31 pm

Zeke says:
November 23, 2013 at 12:51 pm
inre: Jon at 12:42
See how easy it is to string some sciency words together and “disturb” young people, so that they attack energy, transportation, mass production, and even child bearing, water, cattle, and fire? It is that easy.
I’m not sure what you mean by the above.

clipe
November 23, 2013 2:36 pm

Err…not sure what happened but wanted to start from the beginning.

clipe
November 23, 2013 2:40 pm

One more try

Jon
November 23, 2013 2:44 pm

This has been going on for thousands of years. Creating ideas that the public can believe in and that grants the promoters some control over the masses and their resources?

November 23, 2013 2:59 pm

The breaking issue I suspect is “loss and damage”, both historical and current, to be paid for by the developed world to the developing, China included. It is one thing to talk of a 100bn global charge, another to cite individual countries for a determinable and fixed penalty.
Would Al Gore be supportive of an American yearly tithe on his income? Would he, as a Vice President, be standing on the steps of the White House calling for the American taxpayer to cough up for the emissions sins of their fathers? I don’t think so.
Current policies which result in increased tax revenues that are designated for climate remediation in the host country can be perceived as either tax neutral or actually economic boosters. Policies that send those taxes out-of-country are neither neutral nor economic boosters. International agencies like even the UN have a tough time getting consistent funding (including from the US). Spending money on others for theoretical dangers has no personal attractiveness.
If Greenpeace and the other green groups wanted to reduce emissions (as the primary goal) they would have avoided this historical responsibility issue. But since global redistribution of wealth is part of the ideology, knocking down the strong as well as bringing up the weak, this “loss and damage” hammer was a natural. Trouble is, few are willing to altruistically hurt their own kind in principle, and hardly any to avoid a problem that is – if present – decades away.

Scottish Sceptic
November 23, 2013 3:02 pm

I couldn’t agree more with this article. Warsaw has been a tremendous victory for common sense against IPCC non-science. These talks are going no where for years and years – long enough for the IPCC to finally see sense and allow this dead corpse scam to be taken off life support and allowed to die a natural death.
But what I found most incredible was that the green NGOs still thought they were getting anything. They have got nothing since Climategate – but that is where being a sceptic counts. They believe in their “consensus” belief that they have been doing something important and getting for years – because that is their consensus belief.
We know they have not because nothing of substance has happened.
So it’s been win – win.
We won the war …. they (still) think they did.
They are happy, we are happy.

Jon
November 23, 2013 3:03 pm

Jon says:
November 23, 2013 at 2:44 pm
This has been going on for thousands of years. Creating ideas that the public can believe in and that grants the promoters some control over the masses and their resources?
Yes … like DDT, Mercury and PCB 🙂

Robert of Ottawa
November 23, 2013 3:05 pm

Col Mosby on November 23, 2013 at 12:22 pm
I admire your optimism, especially as I own shares in Uranium producing companies. However, there are two further points:
1. Uranium is not the only nuclear fuel cycle.
2. The French (bless their hearts) do not consider there is such a thing as nuclear waste, rather other fissile material that can be processed/reused.

Jeff
November 23, 2013 3:11 pm

Meanwhile in an alternate reality – no, strike that – in a fantasy realm … It’s all going well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25067180
The BBC journalist – Matt McGrath – is worth reading. He’s fairly new to the warmist nomenklatura and seems to operate as if no issues ever arose with the basis of the AGW scare. Quite fun and eerily reminiscent of Roger Harrabin and gone.

Baa Humbug
November 23, 2013 3:16 pm

“Jim Cripwell says:November 23, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Fred F. Mueller makes some very good points, but one aspect is omitted from his excellent presentation . During wars, there are decisive leaders on the winning side, who relentlessly pursue the enemy until defeat is accomplished. ”
Yes it’s war Jim but not as we know it. There will be no decisive end, many of the taxes/charges laid on emissions will be touted as broad based consumption taxes and left in place.
The UN and other rent seekers (Greenpeace, WWF et al) may not be successful with this scam, but its costs will linger for generations even long after all talk of CAGW has ceased.

Richard
November 23, 2013 3:23 pm

Just read this, guess not over yet,
Negotiators from about 195 countries have reached consensus on some of the cornerstones of an ambitious climate pact to combat global warming.
Governments agreed at talks in Poland that a new deal would consist of a patchwork of national contributions to curb emissions that could blur a 20-year-old distinction between the obligations of rich and poor nations.
They are aiming for a new global deal to be signed in Paris in 2015 to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which set targets for developed countries to cut their greenhouse gas emissions.

William Astley
November 23, 2013 3:33 pm

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/23/is-greenpeace-facing-its-warsawgrad/
In reply to:
Is Greenpeace facing its Warsawgrad?
William: Yes, there are two paradigm shifts underway. The developed countries are very close to the absolute limit of deficit financing and hence will be forced to cut entitlements. The developed countries will be forced to balance budgets which will change the nature of politics. Rah, rah, speeches and medals for Oprah will be passé.
Entire purposeless government departments and programs will disappear as was the fate of the Australian, ‘Climate commission’.
The Warsaw climate conference Waterloo is that the developed countries do not have surplus funds to pay to the developed countries for ‘climate change’. Developed countries and developing countries do not have surplus funds to fight ‘climate change’. Wasting money on green scams does not stimulate the economy. The green scam jobs disappear when the tax payer money stops. Green scams do not make economic or environmental sense.
A twist in the climate wars, is the planet is about to abruptly cool. The public will not support sending billions of dollars to corrupt developing countries to be wasted on idiotic green scams during a period of cuts to entitlements (health, education, defense, roads, bridges, government jobs, government pay, and so on.) when the planet is cooling.

Jon
November 23, 2013 3:41 pm

William Astley says:
November 23, 2013 at 3:33 pm
You hit the nail on the head William … but we must not lose focus re: chemical contaminants in our environment.

CC Squid
November 23, 2013 3:59 pm

Gentlemen, let me start out by saying that I believe that AGW is a con game. I would like you to think of the earth as a chef would a lemon. We have zested the rind to make all kinds of sweet and tasty things but we are running out of rind! We are now squeezing the core by fracking so there is a time when it will again be prohibitively expensive to use hydrocarbons as we do now. Going forward, we need to develop Thorium and Nuclear alternatives. I recommend that the “skeptics” acknowledge this just as Hansen Dr. has.