While some model based claims say that CO2 residence times may be thousands of years, a global experiment in measurable CO2 residence time seems to have already been done for us.
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
Is the ~10-year airborne half-life of 14CO2 demonstrated by the bomb-test curve (Fig. 1, and see Professor Gösta Pettersson’s post) the same variable as the IPCC’s residence time of 50-200 years? If so, does its value make any difference over time to the atmospheric concentration of CO2 and hence to any consequent global warming?
Figure 1. The decay curve of atmospheric 14C following the ending of nuclear bomb tests in 1963, assembled from European records by Gösta Pettersson.
The program of nuclear bomb tests that ended in 1963 doubled the atmospheric concentration of 14CO2 compared with its cosmogenic baseline. However, when the tests stopped half the 14C left the atmosphere in ten years. Almost all had gone after 50 years. Why should not the other isotopes of CO2 disappear just as rapidly?
Mr. Born, in comments on my last posting, says the residence time of CO2 has no bearing on its atmospheric concentration: “It’s not an issue of which carbon isotopes we’re talking about. The issue is the difference between CO2 concentration and residence time in the atmosphere of a typical CO2 molecule, of whatever isotope. The bomb tests, which tagged some CO2 molecules, showed us the latter, and I have no reason to believe that the residence time of any other isotope would be much different.”
He goes on to assert that CO2 concentration is independent of the residence time, thus:
The total mass m of airborne CO2 equals the combined mass m12 of 12,13CO2 plus the mass m14 of 14CO2 (1):
Let CO2 be emitted to the atmosphere from all sources at a rate e = e12 + e14 and removed by uptake at a rate u. Then the rate of change in CO2 mass over time is given by
which says the total mass m of CO2, and thus its concentration, varies as the net emission, which is the difference between source e and sink u rates.
For example, if e = u, the total mass m remains unchanged even if few individual molecules remain airborne for long. Also, where e > u, m will rise unless and until u = e. Also, unless thereafter u > e, he thinks the mass m will remain elevated indefinitely. By contrast, he says, the rate of change in 14CO2 mass is given by
which, he says, tells us that, even if e were to remain equal to u, so that total CO2 concentration remained constant, the excess 14CO2 concentration
which is the difference between the (initially elevated) 14CO2 concentration and the prior cosmogenic baseline 14CO2 concentration, would still decay with a time constant m/u, which, therefore, tells us nothing about how long total CO2 concentration would remain at some higher level to which previously-elevated emissions might have raised it. In this scenario, for example, the concentration remains elevated forever even though x decays. Mr. Born concludes that the decay rate of x tells us the turnover rate of CO2 in the air but does not tell us how fast the uptake rate u will adjust to increased emissions.
On the other hand, summarizing Professor Pettersson, reversible reactions tend towards an equilibrium defined by a constant k. Emission into a reservoir perturbs the equilibrium, whereupon relaxation drains the excess x from the reservoir, re-establishing equilibrium over time. Where µ is the rate-constant of decay, which is the reciprocal of the relaxation time, (5) gives the fraction ft of x that remains in the reservoir at any time t, where e, here uniquely, is exp(1):
The IPCC’s current estimates (fig. 2) of the pre-industrial baseline contents of the carbon reservoirs are 600 PgC in the atmosphere, 2000 PgC in the biosphere, and 38,000 PgC in the hydrosphere. Accordingly the equilibrium constant k, equivalent to the baseline pre-industrial ratio of atmospheric to biosphere and hydrosphere carbon reservoirs, is 600 / (2000 + 38,000), or 0.015, so that 1.5% of any excess x that Man or Nature adds to the atmosphere will remain airborne indefinitely.
Empirically, Petterson finds the value of the rate-constant of decay µ to be ~0.07, giving a relaxation time µ–1 of ~14 years and yielding the red curve fitted to the data in Fig. 1. Annual values of the remaining airborne fraction ft of the excess x, determined by me by way of (5), are at Table 1.
Figure 2. The global carbon cycle. Numbers represent reservoir sizes in PgC, and carbon exchange fluxes in PgC yr–1. Dark blue numbers and arrows indicate estimated pre-industrial reservoir sizes and natural fluxes. Red arrows and numbers indicate fluxes averaged over 2000–2009 arising from CO2 emissions from fossil fuel combustion, cement production and land-use change. Red numbers in the reservoirs denote cumulative industrial-era changes from 1750–2011. Source: IPCC (2013), Fig. 6.1.
| t = 1 | .932 | .869 | .810 | .755 | .704 | .657 | .612 | .571 | .533 | .497 |
| 11 | .464 | .433 | .404 | .377 | .362 | .329 | .307 | .287 | .268 | .251 |
| 21 | .235 | .219 | .205 | .192 | .180 | .169 | .158 | .148 | .139 | .130 |
| 31 | .122 | .115 | .108 | .102 | .096 | .090 | .085 | .080 | .076 | .071 |
| 41 | .067 | .064 | .060 | .057 | .054 | .052 | .049 | .047 | .045 | .042 |
| 51 | .041 | .039 | .037 | .036 | .034 | .033 | .032 | .030 | .029 | .028 |
| 61 | .027 | .027 | .026 | .026 | .024 | .024 | .023 | .022 | .022 | .021 |
| 71 | .021 | .021 | .020 | .020 | .019 | .019 | .019 | .019 | .018 | .018 |
| 81 | .018 | .018 | .017 | .017 | .017 | .017 | .017 | .017 | .016 | .016 |
| 91 | .016 | .016 | .016 | .016 | .016 | .016 | .016 | .016 | .016 | .016 |
| 101 | .016 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 |
| 111 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 | .015 |
Table 1. Annual fractions ft of the excess x of 14CO2 remaining airborne in a given year t following the bomb-test curve determined via (5), showing the residential half-life of airborne 14C to be ~10 years. As expected, the annual fractions decay after 100 years to a minimum 1.5% above the pre-existing cosmogenic baseline.
Now, it is at once evident that Professor Pettersson’s analysis differs from that of the IPCC, and from that of Mr. Born, in several respects. Who is right?
Mr. Born offers an elegantly-expressed analogy:
“Consider a source emitting 1 L min–1 of a fluid F1 into a reservoir that already contains 15.53 L of F1, while a sink is simultaneously taking up 1 L min–1 of the reservoir’s contents. The contents remain at a steady 15.53 L.
“Now change the source to a different fluid F2, still supplied at 1 L min–1 and miscible ideally with F1 as well as sharing its density and flow characteristics. After 50 minutes, 96% of F1 will have left the reservoir, but the reservoir will still contain 15.53 L.
“Next, instantaneously inject an additional 1 L bolus of F2, raising the reservoir’s contents to 16.53 L. What does that 96% drop in 50 minutes that was previously observed reveal about how rapidly the volume of fluid in the reservoir will change thereafter from 16.53 L? I don’t think it tells us anything. It is the difference between source and sink rates that tells us how fast the volume of fluid in the reservoir will change. The rate, observed above, at which the contents turn over does not tell us that.
“The conceptual problem may arise from the fact that the 14C injection sounds as though it parallels the second operation above: it was, I guess, adding a slug of CO2 over and above pre-existing sources. But – correct me if I’m wrong – that added amount was essentially infinitesimal: it made no detectable change in the CO2 concentration, so in essence it merely changed the isotopic composition of that concentration, not the concentration itself. Therefore, the 14C injection parallels the first step above, while Man’s recent CO2 emissions parallel the second step.”
However, like all analogies, by definition this one breaks down at some point.
Figure 3. Comparison between the decay curves of the remaining airborne fraction ft of the excess x of CO2 across the interval t on [1, 100] years.
As Fig. 3 shows, the equilibrium constant k, the fraction of total excess concentration x that remains airborne indefinitely, has – if it is large enough – a major influence on the rate of decay. At the k = 0.15 determined by Professor Pettersson as the baseline pre-industrial ratio of the contents of the atmospheric to the combined biosphere and hydrosphere carbon reservoirs, the decay curve is close to a standard exponential-decay curve, such that, in (5), k = 0. However, at the 0.217 that is assumed in the Bern climate model, on which all other models rely, the course of the decay curve is markedly altered by the unjustifiably elevated equilibrium constant.
On this ground alone, one would expect CO2 to linger more briefly in the atmosphere than the Bern model and the models dependent upon it assume. To use Mr. Born’s own analogy, if any given quantum of fluid poured into a container remains there for less time than it otherwise would have done (in short, if it finds its way more quickly out of the container than the fixed rate of exit that his analogy implausibly assumes), then, ceteris paribus, there will be less fluid in the container.
Unlike the behavior of the contents of the reservoir described in Mr. Born’s analogy, the fraction of the excess remaining airborne at the end of the decay curve will be independent of the emission rate e and the uptake rate u.
Since the analogy breaks down at the end of the process and, therefore, to some degree throughout it, does it also break down on the question whether the rate of change in the contents of the reservoir is, as Mr. Born maintains in opposition to what Pettersson shows in (5), absolutely described by e – u?
Let us cite Skeptical Science as what the sociologists call a “negative reference group” – an outfit that is trustworthy only in that it is usually wrong about just about everything. The schoolboys at the University of Queensland, which ought really to be ashamed of them, feared Professor Murry Salby’s assertion that temperature change, not Man, is the prime determinant of CO2 concentration change.
They sought to dismiss his idea in their customarily malevolent fashion by sneering that the change in CO2 concentration was equal to the sum of anthropogenic and natural emissions and uptakes. Since there is no anthropogenic uptake to speak of, they contrived the following rinky-dink equationette:
The kiddiwinks say CO2 concentration change is equal to the sum of anthropogenic and natural emissions less the natural uptake. They add that we can measure CO2 concentration growth (equal to net emission) each year, and we can reliably deduce the anthropogenic emission from the global annual fossil-fuel consumption inventories. Rearranging (6):
They say that, since observed ea ≈ 2ΔCO2, the natural world on the left-hand side of (7) is perforce a net CO2 sink, not a net source as they thought Professor Salby had concluded. Yet his case, here as elsewhere, was subtler than they would comprehend.
Professor Salby, having shown by careful cross-correlations on all timescales, even short ones (Fig. 4, left), that CO2 concentration change lags temperature change, demonstrated that in the Mauna Loa record, if one examines it at a higher resolution than what is usually displayed (Fig. 4, right), there is a variation of up to 3 µatm from year to year in the annual CO2 concentration increment (which equals net emission).
Figure 4. Left: CO2 change lags and may be caused by temperature change. Right: The mean annual CO2 increment is 1.5 µatm, but the year-on-year variability is twice that.
The annual changes in anthropogenic CO2 emission are nothing like 3 µatm (Fig. 5, left). However, Professor Salby has detected – and, I think, may have been the first to observe – that the annual fluctuations in the CO2 concentration increment are very closely correlated with annual fluctuations in surface conditions (Fig. 5, right).
Figure 5. Left: global annual anthropogenic CO2 emissions rise near-monotonically and the annual differences are small. Right: an index of surface conditions (blue: 80% temperature change, 20% soil-moisture content) is closely correlated with fluctuations in CO2 concentration (green).
Annual fluctuations of anthropogenic CO2 emissions are small, but those of atmospheric CO2 concentration are very much larger, from which Professor Salby infers that their major cause is not Man but Nature, via changes in temperature. For instance, Henry’s Law holds that a cooler ocean can take up more CO2.
In that thought, perhaps, lies the reconciliation of the Born and Pettersson viewpoints. For the sources and sinks of CO2 are not static, as Mr. Born’s equations (1-4) and analogy assume, but dynamic. Increase the CO2 concentration and the biosphere responds with an observed global increase in net plant productivity. The planet gets greener as trees and plants gobble up the plant food we emit for them.
Similarly, if the weather gets a great deal warmer, as it briefly did during the Great el Niño of 1997/8, outgassing from the ocean will briefly double the annual net CO2 emission. But if it gets a great deal cooler, as it did in 1991/2 following the eruption of Pinatubo, net annual accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere falls to little more than zero notwithstanding our emissions. It is possible, then, that as the world cools in response to the continuing decline in solar activity the ocean sink may take up more CO2 than we emit, even if we do not reduce our emissions.
Interestingly, several groups are working on demonstrating that, just as Professor Salby can explain recent fluctuations in Co2 concentration as a function of the time-integral of temperature change, in turn temperature change can be explained as a function of the time-integral of variations in solar activity. It’s the Sun, stupid!
It is trivially true that we are adding newly-liberated CO2 to the atmosphere every year, in contrast to the 14C pulse that ended in 1963 with the bomb tests. However, the bomb-test curve does show that just about all CO2 molecules conveniently marked with one or two extra neutrons in their nuclei will nearly all have come out of the atmosphere within 50 years.
To look at it another way, if we stopped adding CO2 to the atmosphere today, the excess remaining in the atmosphere after 100 years would be 1.5% of whatever we have added, and that is all. What is more, that value is not only theoretically derivable as the ratio of the contents of the atmospheric carbon reservoir to those of the combined active reservoirs of the hydrosphere and biosphere but also empirically consistent with the observed bomb-test curve (Fig. 1).
If the IPCC were right, though, the 50-200yr residence time of CO2 that it imagines would imply much-elevated concentrations for another century or two, for otherwise, it would not bother to make such an issue of the residence time. For the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere does make a difference to future concentration levels.
To do a reductio ad absurdum in the opposite direction, suppose every molecule of CO2 we emitted persisted in the atmosphere only for a fraction of a second, then the influence of anthropogenic CO2 on global temperature would be negligible, and changes in CO2 concentration would be near-entirely dependent upon natural influences.
Atmospheric CO2 concentration is already accumulating in the atmosphere at less than half the rate at which we emit it. Half of all the CO2 we emit does indeed appear to vanish instantly from the atmosphere. This still-unexplained discrepancy, which the IPCC in its less dishonest days used to call the “missing sink”, is more or less exactly accounted for where, as Professor Pettersson suggests, CO2’s atmospheric residence time is indeed as short as the bomb-test curve suggests it is and not as long as the 50-200 years imagined by the IPCC.
And what does IPeCaC have to say about the bomb-test curve? Not a lot:
“Because fossil fuel CO2 is devoid of radiocarbon (14C), reconstructions of the 14C/C isotopic ratio of atmospheric CO2 from tree rings show a declining trend (Levin et al., 2010; Stuiver and Quay, 1981) prior to the massive addition of 14C in the atmosphere by nuclear weapon tests which has been offsetting that declining trend signal.”
And that is just about all They have to say about it.
Has Professor Pettersson provided the mechanism that explains why Professor Salby is right? If the work of these two seekers after truth proves meritorious, then that is the end of the global warming scare.
As Professor Lindzen commented when Professor Salby first told him of his results three years ago, since a given CO2 excess causes only a third of the warming the IPCC imagines, if not much more than half of that excess of CO2 is anthropogenic, and if it spends significantly less time in the atmosphere than the models imagine, there is nowhere for the climate extremists to go. Every component of their contrived theory will have been smashed.
It is because the consequences of this research are so potentially important that I have set out an account of the issue here at some length. It is not for a fumblesome layman such as me to say whether Professor Pettersson and Professor Salby (the latter supported by Professor Lindzen) are right. Or is Mr. Born right?
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dbstealey says:
November 27, 2013 at 10:44 am
What happened to Argon?
The partial pressure of argon is ≈.01 bar, no?
Yes, I rounded off N2 a little too high…
http://mistupid.com/chemistry/aircomp.htm
Lewis P Buckingham says:
November 27, 2013 at 11:36 am
from my little physics, each gas behaves as if it alone occupies the space.
Indeed, it doesn’t matter if the 0.0004 bar CO2 is in high vacuum or together with 0.9996 bar of other molecules. In both cases the same amount of CO2 dissolves in water (if the water doesn’t get boiling under such high vacuum!).
Ferdinand,
No problem, you add a lot to the knowledge that this site provides. I wasn’t being critical, only nitpicky. Sorry.
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
November 26, 2013 at 8:53 am
“…to dwarf the human emissions, the increased turnover (total sinks still ~4.5 GtC/yr larger than total sources) must mimic human emissions at exact the same timing and increase rate…”
Not so. With feedback as an additional variable, there is a wide range of possible natural forcing.
“…for each different period in time, you need a different offset and factor to match the T-dCO2/dt trend…”
Nonlinear systems are like that. You can linearlize them about a current operating point but, if they stray too far from that point, you have to re-linearize. This is standard and unremarkable.
“Further, Bart’s graph of the current increase in uptake is a little misleading. If you plot the variables with the same units then you get this:”
Ferdinand’s plot merely shows the robustness of linear regressions, something which is well known. Mine was the best fit up to the middle of the data.
But, he still has atmospheric CO2 rate of change leveling off in the last decade, while human emissions continue marching upward.
“And if you look at the trends of Bart’s plot then you see that the trends don’t match, thus the integral of T gives a too high CO2 level.”
This is a meaningless exercise. The data are bulk global averages, and do not perfectly represent the actual dynamics. Moreover, they are polluted by noise and “adjustments”. Far from being a knock against the integral temperature model, this shows that the relationship is so powerful that it still shines through even with non-ideal measurements.
Willis Eschenbach says:
November 26, 2013 at 12:38 pm
“And that means that with a constant temperature, as time goes on and on the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere will increase without limit … which seems very doubtful.”
See my comment to Ferdinand about nonlinear systems above. At the current time, and for at least the last 55 years, this relationship has held with high fidelity. It does not mean that the relationship always holds for all time in the same form. For example, a change in the concentration of CO2 in upwelling waters can result in a shift in the k and Teq.
The long term dynamics are an interesting puzzle, but they do not prevent us from being able to make conclusions about how the system is behaving within a local neighborhood of the current system state. Again, this is standard operating procedure for nonlinear systems modeling.
Bart says:
November 30, 2013 at 7:32 am
Not so. With feedback as an additional variable, there is a wide range of possible natural forcing.
Except that the increase rate in the atmosphere, the sink rate, the 13C/12C and 14C/12C decay rates all show similar curves, thus whatever the “natural” forcing, it must be increasing in ratio with human emissions.
Nonlinear systems are like that.
The temperature – CO2 system was (surprisingly) highly linear over 800,000 years: 8 ppmv/K. Now in the past 50 years it would be highly non-linear?
Ferdinand’s plot merely shows the robustness of linear regressions, something which is well known. Mine was the best fit up to the middle of the data.
No, you plotted the data with different units for similar variables. That gives a false impression of the real deviation of the trends. The period 1975-1995 shows a similar “pause” in dCO2/dt increase, but that increased thereafter:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/dco2_em4.jpg
Chronology of Events – With respect, I first published this Hypothesis in January 2008.
At that time, I notified many senior climate scientists, including Richard Lindzen, Roy Spencer, Fred Singer, Tim Ball and more.
Ideas that radically change consensus take about a decade to gain widespread acceptance.
Five years and counting…
Regards, Allan MacRae of the Clan MacRae :-}
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/27/reactions-to-ipcc-ar5-summary-for-policy-makers/#comment-1431798
http://climateaudit.org/2013/09/24/two-minutes-to-midnight/#comment-441473
Ladies and Gentlemen;
With 95% certainty, the following Conclusions will be the 97% consensus view of competent climate scientists a decade from now.*
Regards to all, Allan 🙂
Abstract/Conclusions:
The evidence from the modern data record AND the ice core record indicates that atmospheric CO2 does not primarily drive Earth’s temperature, and temperature primarily drives atmospheric CO2. This does not preclude the Mass Balance Argument being correct, but its relevance to the “environmental catastrophe debate” (catastrophic global warming, etc.) is moot, because increased atmospheric CO2 has NO significant impact on temperature, and is beneficial to both plant and animal life. Claims that increased atmospheric CO2, from whatever source, causes dangerous runaway global warming, wilder weather, increased ocean acidification, and other such alarmist claims are NOT supported by the evidence.
The climate models cited by the IPCC fail because, at a minimum, these models employ a highly exaggerated estimate of climate sensitivity to increased atmospheric CO2. In fact, since Earth’s temperature drives atmospheric CO2 rather than the reverse, which is assumed by the IPCC-cited climate models, these models cannot function correctly. The IPCC-cited climate models also grossly under-estimate the magnitude of natural climate variation.
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Hypothesis:
My January 2008 paper was published at
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/carbon_dioxide_in_not_the_primary_cause_of_global_warming_the_future_can_no/
My hypothesis was stated as follows:
“The IPCC’s position that increased CO2 is the primary cause of global warming is not supported by the temperature data. In fact, strong evidence exists that disproves the IPCC’s scientific position. This UPDATED paper and Excel spreadsheet show that variations in atmospheric CO2 concentration lag (occur after) variations in Earth’s Surface Temperature by ~9 months. The IPCC states that increasing atmospheric CO2 is the primary cause of global warming – in effect, the IPCC states that the future is causing the past. The IPCC’s core scientific conclusion is illogical and false.
There is strong correlation among three parameters: Surface Temperature (“ST”), Lower Troposphere Temperature (“LT”) and the rate of change with time of atmospheric CO2 (“dCO2/dt”). For the time period of this analysis, variations in ST lead (occur before) variations in both LT and dCO2/dt, by ~1 month. The integral of dCO2/dt is the atmospheric concentration of CO2 (“CO2”).”
The paper was published in January 2008 at
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf
My initial data and analyses were included at the time of publication in January 2008 in Excel at
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRaeFig5b.xls
The original critique of my paper occurred in February 2008 at
http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/12/data-smoothing-and-spurious-correlation/
The critique was generally erroneous, but was a necessary and worthwhile process. My thanks to all involved.
My hypothesis was initially rejected, but two factors apparently changed that conclusion.
Statistician William Briggs conducted an independent analysis of my hypo that was generally supportive of my conclusion.
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=122
Then it became known that Pieter Tans, unknown to me until months later, had delivered a paper on November 28, 2007 that came to the same conclusion regarding dCO2/dt correlating with temperature. Tans’ slides, which were apparently posted months later, are at
http://esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/co2conference/pdfs/tans.pdf
Tans’ conclusion on slide 23/23, with which I have no major objection, was:
“2/3 of the interannual variance of the CO2 growth rate is explained by the delayed response of the terrestrial biosphere to interannual variations of temperature and precipitation.”
Tans also concluded on slide 10/23:
“The observed increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide since pre-industrial times is entirely due to human activities.”
This is the “Mass Balance Argument” that has been ably debated, particularly by Ferdinand Engelbeen and Richard Courtney, and may be correct or incorrect.
Suddenly there was a collapse of opposition to my observation that dCO2/dt correlated with T – someone in authority had said so too.
But then if CO2 lagged temperature, how could CO2 drive temperature? Faced with this dilemma, some quickly dismissed this “CO2 lags temperature” observation, calling it a “feedback effect”. This is a Cargo Cult argument, based on the false religious assumption “We KNOW that CO2 drives temperature; therefore it MUST BE a feedback effect.” Then the subject went into limbo until Murry Salby raised it again circa 2011.
Atmospheric CO2 also lags Earth’s temperature by ~800 years in the ice core record, on a much longer time scale.
Atmospheric CO2 lags Earth’s temperature at all measured time scales.
For the record:
I suggest that climate science is poorly defined, and the science has regressed due to the “Great Leap Backward” of CO2 hysteria in recent decades – the attribution of too many alleged and false crises to increased atmospheric CO2.
I have limited confidence in the absolute accuracy of the surface temperature record, which appears to have a significant warming bias. I suggest the satellite temperature record, in existence since 1979, is much more accurate that the surface temperature record.
I suggest that atmospheric CO2 measurements are reasonably accurate since 1958, and relatively but not absolutely accurate before then.
My primary concern at this point is the probability of imminent global cooling, which may or may not be severe. In the longer term over thousands of years, catastrophic natural global cooling is inevitable. I suggest that the primary focus of climate science should not be alleged humanmade global warming and its mitigation; rather it should primarily focus on natural global cooling and its mitigation.
* We wrote more than a decade ago:
http://www.apegga.org/Members/Publications/peggs/WEB11_02/kyoto_pt.htm
“Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”
“The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”
– Dr. Sallie Baliunas, Dr. Tim Patterson, Allan M.R. MacRae, P.Eng. (PEGG, November 2002)
Respectfully submitted, Allan MacRae
September 30, 2013
Allan,
Everybody, “warmers” as well as skeptics agree that the short term (1-3 years) variability in CO2 is caused by the short term variability of temperature.
But that says next to nothing about the cause of the CO2 trend over the past 150 years, which is much higher than what the temperature trend predicted over the past 800 kyr. The CO2 trend now leads the temperature trend…
Ferdinand Engelbeen says: November 30, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Ferdinand:
Everybody, “warmers” as well as skeptics agree that the short term (1-3 years) variability in CO2 is caused by the short term variability of temperature.
Allan:
Misleading or false.
Everyone certainly did NOT agree when I published in January 2008. There was strong objection to my hypo in ClimateAudit, including a paper by Willis entitled “Data Smoothing and Spurious Correlation”, which was much appreciated, but wrong.
http://climateaudit.org/2008/02/12/data-smoothing-and-spurious-correlation/
My new observation was that atmospheric dCO2/dt varied with temperature T, and thus CO2 lagged T by ~9 months. Pieter Tans made the same point a month or so earlier but I did not find out until later, when his PowerPoint slides were posted and brought to my attention. Also, Tans like other warmists said this was a “feedback effect” – which was also wrong.
Ferdinand:
But that says next to nothing about the cause of the CO2 trend over the past 150 years, which is much higher than what the temperature trend predicted over the past 800 kyr.
Allan:
Possibly correct, possibly false, but irrelevant to my comments since CO2 does not primarily drive temperature. See Richard Courtney’s able commentary on your Mass Balance Argument, not repeated here. For the CAGW policy debate, the source of increasing CO2 is irrelevant, since increased atmospheric CO2 is, on balance, strongly beneficial to humankind and the environment.
Ferdinand:
The CO2 trend now leads the temperature trend…
Allan:
False or misleading – Please examine the global cooling trend from 1940-75 when CO2 increased, and also the current ~17 year global temperature “Hiatus Hernia”. Atmospheric CO2 does not significantly drive Temperature.
Please read this again, as posted above:
The evidence from the modern data record and the ice core record indicates that atmospheric CO2 does not primarily drive earth’s temperature, and temperature primarily drives atmospheric CO2. This does not preclude the Mass Balance Argument being correct, but its relevance to the “environmental catastrophe debate” (catastrophic global warming, etc.) is moot, because increased atmospheric CO2 has no significant impact on temperature.
Regards, Allan
Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
November 30, 2013 at 8:49 am
“…thus whatever the “natural” forcing, it must be increasing in ratio with human emissions.”
A) not necessarily so
B) If it were, so what?
“Now in the past 50 years it would be highly non-linear?”
“Highly” is a subjective term. I would not call a relationship which has held to be linear fairly steady for 55 years now “highly nonlinear”.
When we go to the proxy measurements, things become speculative. We do not have any closed loop test possible to prove the relationships. If you have ever worked on a complex practical system, I you have before related that you worked in process controls, you know that you know nothing for certain until you have been able to replicate the behavior over repeated trials. Surely, Ferdinand, you have been in situations where you expected one explanation for an anomaly, and in the end found it was something totally different than what you expected?
Fortunately, it is not necessary to rely upon the proxies. The information of the past 55 years from direct measurements is enough to determine what is presently happening, and that is that CO2 in the atmosphere is tracking the integral of temperature.
“No, you plotted the data with different units for similar variables.”
The scaling and offsetting is implicit in the plot. The only thing different I have plotted is an additional vertical axis to give the other units. If you cover up that axis, then it is the same as a fit to the first half of the data in the same units. Try it yourself. Do a fit to the first half, and plot your results.
“The period 1975-1995 shows a similar “pause” in dCO2/dt increase, but that increased thereafter:”
Indeed, and there was a similar divergence. But, in both cases, dCO2/dt was tracking the temperature. If temperatures resume their climb, then both dCO2/dt and the emissions will continue to rise, though with an additional offset so that you will continually have to be adjusting the amount of emissions which stay in the atmosphere downward to maintain some semblance of a fit.
However, if temperatures go into a sustained decline, such as appears likely at this time, you will see such divergence that your link to the emissions will become untenable. I am counting on this to be the final nail in the coffin of attribution of the CO2 rise to human activity.
Allan MacRae says:
November 30, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Thank you, Allan. I noticed the relationship independently in a “Eureka!” moment when it suddenly became clear what had been happening. I did indeed find out afterward that you had already discovered the relationship, and written about it in the WUWT pages. I would bet that someone else may well have noticed before even you.
For my part, I am uninterested in primogeniture. My hope is that someone with the stature and encyclopedic knowledge of the climate system of Salby, or others, will make the necessary investigations to put it all on a sound footing, and banish the foolish assumption of piddly human inputs driving this enormous system, like fleas on the back of an elephant believing they control his movements.
Thanks Bart for your comments of December 1, 2013 at 9:14 am
Allan says:
On the ECS Mainstream Debate
The ECS mainstream debate is the dominant climate science debate between global warming alarmists (aka “warmists”) and climate skeptics (aka “deniers” :-)).
Warmists say ECS is high, about 3C or greater and DANGEROUS and skeptics say ECS is 1C or less and NOT dangerous.
Since CO2 clearly LAGS temperature at all measured time scales, this ECS mainstream debate requires that, in total, “the future is causing the past”, which I suggest is demonstrably false.
In summary, in climate science we do not even agree on what drives what, and it is probable that the majority, who reside on BOTH sides of the ECS mainstream debate, are BOTH WRONG.”
A belated Happy US Thanksgiving to all my American friends!
Happy Hanukkah to all my Jewish friends!
And an early Merry Christmas to all! And to all a good night!
Regards, Allan
Epilogue
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.