An Open Letter to Dr. Marcia McNutt, new Editor-In-Chief, Science Magazine

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Dear Dr. McNutt:

As a somewhat unwilling subscriber to Science, let me start by welcoming you as the latest editor of Science magazine. You’ve stated “Thirty-five years ago, when I was a graduate student and my very first research paper was published in Science, I do not think I could ever have dreamed that one day I would have the honor of becoming Editor-in-Chief of this most distinguished journal.”

And in addition to your most impressive resume, you do get huge props from me for this part of your Wikipedia biography, which I certainly hope is true, viz:

marcia mcnutt

McNutt is a NAUI-certified scuba diver and she trained in underwater demolition and explosives handling with the U.S. Navy UDT and SEAL Team.

Indeed you do have an unparalleled opportunity, which is to turn what has become just another glossy advocacy magazine back into a distinguished scientific journal.

Unfortunately, during the intervening 35 years of your remarkable scientific career since you were a graduate student, a once-stellar magazine has fallen on hard times. Starting with Donald Kennedy, and continuing under Bruce Alberts, it has become a shabby vehicle for strident climate activism … and that experiment has proven once again that Science can’t be both an activist journal and a scientific journal. Science magazine has thrown its considerable (but rapidly decreasing) weight behind a number of causes. And yes, some of those causes are indeed important.

The problem is that you are convinced the causes are hugely important, and you want to convince us of the same. But once you convince people that your causes are more important to you than your science, that’s it for your authority regarding the science. You either get to have activism, or you get scientific authority. You don’t get both. And the past actions of your magazine have clearly demonstrated that these days your activist causes are much more important to you than the science.

The problems have involved two main issues in the field I’m involved in, climate science. The first issue is that despite repeated requests, past Science Magazine editors have flouted your own guidelines for normal scientific transparency. You continue to publish articles about climate science without requiring that the authors archive their data and code as required by your own rules. It appears that the rules about archiving data and code are enforced for the little people like myself, but when the Editors of Science want to promote a point of view, the rules don’t apply … funny how that works.

The second issue is that in climate science, far too often Science magazine editors have substituted pal review for peer review. As a result, people laugh at the bumf that passes for climate science in your pages. They don’t disagree with your articles. They laugh at your articles. I’m told that in some scientific circles, it’s only the glossy unabsorbent nature of the magazine’s paper that keeps the climate science articles from being used, perhaps more appropriately, for hygienic purposes … seriously, you have published some really risible, really shabby, grade-school level studies in climate science. It’s embarrassing.

With a new Editor-In-Chief, I’ve been hoping that might all be in the past. Unfortunately, after taking over at the helm, you’ve chosen to reveal your … umm … well, let me describe it as your newness to the concept of “scientific journal editor” by following in the foolishly activist footsteps of your immediate predecessors. I’d hoped you might be smarter than they were, and indeed you might still show yourself to be. But to jump into the middle of the climate debate and stake out a position for Science magazine? Why? That’s suicide for the magazine. Science magazine should never have an editorial stance on the science it is discussing and overseeing. Leave that to Mother Jones magazine, or to National Geographic, or Popular Science. Your magazine taking a strong activist position on climate science is just evidence that you have abandoned all pretense of being concerned with climate science itself. When the science is strong it doesn’t need defenders … and if the Editor-In-Chief of Science feels it’s necessary to defend some part of science, that simply proves that the “science” involved must be of the weakest.

And regarding you personally taking a position? Well, that’s interesting. The problem is that you are extremely well educated, strong, strikingly good looking, and a wickedly-smart woman by all accounts … and while those are all good things, that’s a scary combination. One downside of that particular melange is that as a result, it’s very possible that people, particularly men, haven’t told you the unvarnished truth in years. So some of what I have to say may be a surprise to you.

Here are your climate claims from your recent Editorial, based presumably on your  research into the flexural modes of the earth’s crust:

Researchers have turned to the geologic record to obtain ground truth about patterns of change for use in climate models. Information from prior epochs reveals evidence for conditions on Earth that might be analogs to a future world with more CO2. Projections based on such previous evidence are still uncertain, because there is no perfect analog to current events in previous geologic epochs; however, even the most optimistic predictions are dire. For example, environmental changes brought on by climate changes will be too rapid for many species to adapt to, leading to widespread extinctions. Unfortunately, I view these predicted outcomes as overly optimistic.

Now, the uninitiated might not notice the subtle change of tense there, from the subjunctive to the declarative. But those of us who are used to the pea-and-shell game will have seen that you’ve done something curious. You’ve started by saying that “Projections based on such previous evidence are still uncertain”. That is true, and not only true, it’s a huge understatement.

Here is the current state of climate science, the understanding of past climate changes, and the prediction of future climates.

Not one climate scientist on either side of the aisle predicted the current ~ 15-year hiatus in warming. This lack of warming was highlighted as early as 2009 in a widely-circulated article called “What Happened to Global Warming? Scientists Say Just Wait a Bit”. In that article, various scientists were quoted as saying the warming would resume in a few years.

Well, we’ve waited a few years, Dr. McNutt. Their predictions, once again, haven’t come true … and despite that, here you are to lecture us. And where did this most seditious article entitled “What Happened To Global Warming” appear?

Why, it appeared in Science magazine  … you want to be taken seriously in the field of climate science, yet you don’t mention this lack of recent warming at all?

• Not one climate scientist on either side of the aisle can explain the century or two of cooling leading up to the Little Ice Age in the 1600s. Why did the world slowly get colder back then? Oh, some folks claim it’s the sun, maybe so, maybe not … but really, no one knows.

Not one climate scientist on either side of the aisle can explain the three centuries of slow general warming that have followed the Little Ice Age. What changed to gradually warm the planet, after it had been cooling for centuries?

None of these things are explicable as the results of CO2, which supposedly is the secret control knob that regulates the global temperature.

So no one can explain the past climate changes, the CO2 explanation fails miserably at the hindcast, and you tell us that predictions based on the past are “still uncertain”, which is a big understatement and is certainly true.

But despite that uncertainty, despite that lack of knowledge, in the very next sentence you assure us breathlessly that predictions that “ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES WILL BE TOO RAPID FOR MANY SPECIES TO ADAPT TO, LEADING TO WIDESPREAD EXTINCTIONS” are not alarmist enough for you …

Changes “will be” too rapid? “Will be”? And that’s not alarmist enough for you?

I truly hope you don’t realize what you are saying. I truly hope that you do not understand that that sentence of yours is nothing but strident alarmism that you are presenting under the guise of science.

Because you don’t know what the unknown environmental changes WILL do the species of the planet, that’s incredible hubris. More to the point, you have absolutely no evidence for your claim of “widespread extinctions”. Not one modern species has ever been shown to have gone extinct from climate change. Even Nature magazine has given up on the goofy idea of the “sixth wave of extinctions” that you are trying to sell. There is no evidence for your “extinction by climate change” claim at all.

Let me take a bit of a detour, and discuss the idea of a “natural experiment”. People always say we can’t study climate in a laboratory, and that’s true. We can’t use the lab to see how a big ecosystem full of real-world species might react to changing temperatures, for example. But we have natural experiments. And we’ve just conducted a very interesting experiment. Here’s the record of the experiment.

berkeley earth temperature dataset 1800 2013

According to the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature dataset shown above, the global land is two and a half degrees warmer than it was around 1810. Two and a half degrees of warming in two centuries. That’s well beyond what is supposed to be the huge danger change of two degrees of warming … where are the corpses?

You seem to be concerned about the speed of the changes. Two and a half degrees in two centuries is fast, it’s well over half the speed of the changes you are concerned about. As a result, we should have seen at least some evidence for your claim that warming causes extinctions … perhaps you could name the species that have gone extinct from warming during that natural experiment? I ask, because I’ve looked very hard, and I haven’t found even one.

You continue with your litany of unsubstantiated worries:

Even species that might tolerate the new environment could nevertheless decline as the ecosystems on which they depend collapse. The oceans will become more stratified and less productive.

The oceans WILL become more stratified? They WILL become less productive? And you say species “could” decline, but the ecosystem collapse is presented without qualifiers? My dear lady, you just told us that all of these “projections” are very uncertain. Let me suggest that you lose the “will become” and the “will happen”. You don’t know if warmer oceans will be more or less productive, and that kind of puffery just makes people point and laugh. I implore you, stop with the pronouncements from on high. You just got appointed, it’s true, but only to the editorship of Science, not to a more celestial and all-seeing post.

In addition, perhaps you could point to an example of a thermally-caused “ecosystem collapse” from the two and a half degrees C warming of the last two centuries? You know … evidence?

You go on …

If such ecosystem problems come to pass, the changes will affect humans in profound ways. The loss in ocean productivity will be detrimental for the 20% of the population that depends on the seas for nutrition. Crops will fail more regularly, especially on land at lower latitudes where food is in shortest supply.

The first part is good, you preface your statements with “IF the ecosystem problems come to pass”. The rest of it, however, is just more unsupported, uncited, unverified, and untrue fears. You have no evidence that a couple of degrees of warming will make the crops “fail more regularly”. Again, we’ve just run a natural experiment. We’ve just seen what happened when the land temperatures went up two and a half degrees from 1810 to the present. So please tell us, Dr. McNutt …

Where is the evidence of any loss in ocean productivity from that two and a half degrees C of warming? I say that you don’t have even a scrap of evidence that warming per se causes a decline in oceanic productivity. I certainly have never seen any.

Where is the evidence of any tropical crop loss from the last two centuries of warming?

Where is the evidence of any cities submerged by sea level rise?

Where is the evidence of the claimed spread of diseases?

Where are the climate refugees? You are aware, I hope, that the UN Environmental Programme climate specialists, part of the “97% consensus”, confidently predicted 50 million climate refugees by 2010 … perhaps you could point those refugees out for those of us who can’t find them?

Or perhaps you’re not aware of the dozens of such failed predictions by members of the fabled “97% consensus”. There’s no problem if you’re not aware of those unsuccessful “scientific” forecasts, I mean after all you’re a geologist, not a climate scientist … but if you lack that kind of basic knowledge of the climate field, then why are you attempting to lecture us on the subject?

Sadly, it seems that like many other good honest folk, you are simply parroting claims of danger that you have swallowed without ever thinking critically about them. Reconsider the natural experiment. We’ve had two and a half degrees of warming, and from everything I can find, it wasn’t harmful to the planetary denizens. There were no climate refugees. The coral atolls didn’t go underwater, we still have them. According to the IPCC, there’s been no increase in extreme weather events. No cities had to be evacuated because of sea level rise.

Two and a half degrees C, and not only were there no catastrophes from that warming, quite the opposite. Overall, it was beneficial to plants, animals, and humans alike. Expanded growing seasons and milder winters provided larger and more stable crops. Longer ice-free periods on the northern harbors and rivers allowed increased commerce. Milder winters killed fewer people … what’s not to like?

Now, you claim to be a scientist, Dr.  McNutt. And I’m happy to be proven wrong when I say that your climate fears are not based in reality. To prove me wrong, you need to provide evidence. Not claims. Not solemn warnings of future disasters unencumbered by any historical parallel. You need to provide evidence.

So if you’d be so kind as to point out the past catastrophes that came from the last two and a half degrees C of rapid warming, your alarmism about the possibility of another two and a half degrees might at least contain a hint of realism, even if it’s only a Hollywood “based on a true story” kind of realism.

If you can’t find any thermal catastrophes from that 2.5 degrees of warming, on the other hand, an honest scientist would change her views accordingly … your call.

Heck, you’re so new to the field that you don’t even have your alarmist talking points straight. Al Gore gives classes in this stuff so his minions will all be singing from the same hymnbook, you might borrow a copy. Because according to the alarmists, the effect of the CO2 warming will be greatest in the extra-tropics and the polar regions. In those areas it’s supposed to affect mostly nighttime temperatures, and particularly in the winter.

So your claim that crops will fail “at lower latitudes where food is in shortest supply” is in direct disagreement with the alarmist predictions of danger at the Poles.

Not only that, but your uncited claim of tropical losses is also in direct disagreement with the historical data, which shows that the tropics has warmed the least of all of the latitudinal zones. The tropical warming since 1900 is lost in the noise, your claim of tropical crop loss is a sad joke. You should at least switch latitudes and join up with your co-religionists and Al Gore’s minions in trying to scare people about a warming Arctic … at least that was happening, although unfortunately for alarmists like yourself, Alaska cooled substantially over the first decade of the 21st century, so now the evidence is mixed.

And in any case, where are my minions? I want the government to use their Solyndra funds to provide me with minions, like the ones Al Gore trains using petrodollars he pocketed from the oil companies for his TV station. How come Al has minions and I don’t? I guess the moral is, first get the oil million$, then you’ll get the minions. I’m obviously a slow learner regarding the first part of that … and how come Al gets the petrobucks and nobody says a word, but skeptics get tarred as being on the oil companies payroll but don’t get a dime? … however, I digress. You go on to say:

This unfavorable environmental state could last for many thousands of years as geologic processes slowly respond to the imbalances created by the release of the fossil carbon reservoir. The time scale for biodiversity to be restored, with all the benefits that it brings, will be even longer.

Tertullian says that the Roman Emperors had a slave whose job was to whisper in the Emperor’s ear “Respice post teHominem te memento!” In that respect, Dr. McNutt, let me be the slave who reminds you that you are merely the latest future ex-Editor-In-Chief of Science, a once-great magazine.

And while that post still swings a certain (although sadly diminished) amount of weight, it does not confer upon you ex oficio the ability to see “many thousands of years” into the future. You are attempting to channel Cassandra, and you are failing at it spectacularly. I cannot say this strongly enough. Activism is not your friend. The stronger the Editor-In-Chief of Science is as an activist, the less authority the Editor-In-Chief has as a scientist, and the less authority Science has as a scientific journal. What part of “conflict of interest” do you and Bruce Alberts and Donald Kennedy not understand? You cannot be both the peer-reviewer, the gate-keeper who arbitrates which science is worth publishing, and at the same time be a strong scientific alarmist pushing a particular belief as well.

So please, don’t bother us with any more of your unsupported fears about what a bit of warming might do. You’re actually in good shape yet. Yes, you struck out badly in the first inning, but there’s lots of the game left before you’re an ex-, and that just means don’t repeat your mistakes when you come up to bat again.

What you need to be concerned with is what your magazine does, not what the climate does. Lecturing people when your own house is in such bad order does not make you look wise, it makes you look hypocritical. You need to attend to the very poor quality of the studies you are publishing before you start lecturing people about climate science. How about giving us an editorial about how your predecessors didn’t enforce the “archive your data and code” policy, and whether you plan to continue the now time-honored tradition of ignoring the policy? That’s something you can speak about with authority.

After that, perhaps you might give us an editorial about how you are renouncing the anti-scientific practice of using co-authors to review each others’ work? That would be interesting. Or how about an editorial review of the ethical implications of Peter Gleick’s actions, and what their general acceptance by mainstream climate scientists reveal about the nature and extent of Noble Cause Corruption? That would be more than welcome.

But please … no more schoolmarmish lectures, and no more channeling the Ehrlichs and Holdrens. We’ve had enough failed serial doom-casters to last us for decades. You do not want to add your name to that list of unsuccessful catastrophe-mongers.

I say all of this to you for several reasons. First, I can’t stand to see someone driving the bus off the cliff without warning them. You’re doing both your reputation and that of Science magazine great damage through your alarmism, and in my world I am obliged to say something.

Second, there’s an old adage that says “It is better to light one little cylinder of fossil-fuel-derived wax with a wick in it, than to curse the darkness,” or something like that. I’m not the man to sit idly by when something I care about is imperiled.

Next, I say it because as an amateur scientist, I’m a huge fan of the process we call science, and I hate to see the journals flouting scientific transparency and blatantly shilling for one side or the other in a scientific debate.

And curiously, I say it because I truly wish you well. You do have an amazing opportunity, one I’d love to have. You have the chance to turn Science back into a serious, reputable scientific journal.

Plus scuba divers get my support, and women divers who’ve done underwater explosives training with the SEALS get my unalloyed, albeit somewhat jealous, awe and respect.

The main issue is, I’d like to see Science magazine become what it once was—a science magazine without an axe to grind, and without an agenda other than to be the best scientific journal on the planet.

Because as soon as you start grinding that axe and pursuing that agenda, you’ve become an axe-woman on a mission, not a scientist … and although the world needs good axe-women on missions, and I’m sure you’re a very good one when the situation arises, both Science the journal and science itself suffers when the Editor-In-Chief of Science magazine takes up axe-grinding. It destroys your credibility as a major arbiter of what science should be published.

My very best regards to you, and my best wishes for your tenure as Editor-In-Chief, and for the magazine in your hands,

w.

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August 8, 2013 2:36 pm

I’ve said the article was “creepy” because it addressed a professional (who got their job from their intellectual skill, not hooking) in terms of their appearance.
My father has made the suggestion that this was a tactic to get as wide a distribution as possible – Willis had no intention of influencing the AGU and so it didn’t matter that he acted inappropriately.
That makes sense.
But it is a short-term, tactic.
No-one can trust such pedagoguery. Willis can no longer comment on anything!
He should apologise about the tone and stick by the facts.
It was creepy and creepy is bad.

Reply to  M Courtney
August 8, 2013 2:44 pm

Regarding the Political Correctness debate of Willis’ article.
Some people saw nothing wrong with it, and some people are doing voluminous hand wringing over the PC correctness aspect of it. Point is, there are people who agree with/disagree with every single opinion piece ever written here. If Willis wants to change it/clarify it, he’s certainly welcome to. I would have worded it differently and probably would have suggested some edits had I seen it before publication. That said, I think the hand-wringing about it is excessive. It was written in the language of his age and experience. Some people might not like it, but he was being honest with his praise as well as his scorn. Many people younger than Willis most certainly have a different view.
I’ve let him know of the concerns, and I’ll leave it to him to respond. (Beyond his response above should he choose to.)
Making mistakes and making a fool of yourself is all part of learning. I’ve done both, as have some of our guest authors. I’m happy to concede there was a mistake in the wording of Willis essay, because I think he didn’t correctly predict how it might be interpreted or misinterpreted, or maybe he was counting on it. I simply don’t know. Again I think there is too much hand wringing over it in a world where “beauty is valued” as he put it.
Regarding how it has been viewed in the context of John Cook’s “creepy” Tweet about it, the difference between SkS and WUWT is that we at WUWT allow the criticism and consider it, where SkS just disappears things like entire folders and then goes silent about it.

August 8, 2013 3:32 pm

M Courtney says:
“He should apologise about the tone and stick by the facts. It was creepy and creepy is bad.”
So now we’ve heard from the Creepy Police spokesman person. And the decree is: it’s bad.
Sorry, but having an opinion is a good thing. Marching in lockstep with the P.C. regiment is what’s bad.
I agree with what Willis wrote, I agree with his tone, and I think the world is in it’s current sucky shape because of the thought-police attitude that now infects everything.

Toto
August 8, 2013 5:46 pm

ew, I read her editorial; there goes her credibility.
What will always be timeless, however, is strong adherence to the highest principles of scientific integrity. It takes a lifetime to build an excellent scientific reputation, and only an imprudent moment to destroy it. — Marcia McNutt, “Tips on How to Make it as a Scientist”, http://icaps05.uni-ulm.de/mcnutt.html
And so much for skepticism.

She accepts an offer from the U.S. Geological Survey in Menlo Park, California, to work on the problem of earthquake prediction, applying her thesis research on the earth’s surface strength to their prediction program. At the time, the government agency was questioning the program’s effectiveness and the possibility of predicting earthquakes at all. Scientists had succeeded at predicting some earthquakes but failed with others, like China’s cataclysmic Tangshan earthquake in 1976.
McNutt wonders if seismic processes might be chaotic – so sensitive to all the complex details of their initial conditions as to be impossible to predict. She grows disillusioned with her work at the USGS and accepts a professorship at MIT.
McNutt’s tenure in MIT allows her to freely follow her research interests, and they lead her to the work for which she was elected to the NAS. She studies the “exceptions” to plate tectonics: places like the Hawaiian Islands and the Colorado Rockies that the theory has a hard time explaining. Her field work takes her to the volcanoes of French Polynesia, which erupt and rise “smack-dab” in the middle of plates, far from the active edges, says McNutt. She challenges the accepted view that plumes of hot material rise from the boundary between the earth’s core and its mantle to create these unusual sites.

http://www.nasonline.org/news-and-multimedia/podcasts/interviews/marcia-mcnutt.html
The same article also touches on a point Willis made:

she says she encountered her share of “remaining Neanderthals.” These men knowingly or unknowingly tried to keep women out of high-profile positions under the guise of helping them, she says, advising them to take time off to be with their families or to go out to sea in groups for “protection.”

August 8, 2013 5:54 pm

For those criticizing Willis, I have a feeling that if Dr. McNutt looked like this, or like this, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Like it or not, physical attraction plays a part in the selection process.
The bigger problem, however, is the fact that McNutt was chosen based primarily on her “carbon” bona fides, not on her adherence to the Scientific Method, or on her scientific probity. And that, in a nutshell [I resisted the pun!], is the problem with the journal Science.
Science has been further corrupted by the selection of McNutt. It remains a propaganda organ of the runaway global warming crowd. I think that is one of Willis’ main messages. It is unfortunate that McNutt has chosen to be a team player over a seeker of the truth. Because she could have really made a difference.
Dr. McNutt could have told the truth: that there is no convincing scientific evidence that CO2, and in particular, anthropogenic CO2, has any measurable effect on global temperature.
But if she told the truth, her future prospects would be in great jeopardy. So there is no doubt that the selection committee chose wisely…

August 8, 2013 6:34 pm

For those criticizing Willis, I have a feeling that if Dr. McNutt looked like this, or like this, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

You’re wrong, but it reveals something about how you think, dbstealey. You obviously agree with Willis’s thesis that we just can’t help ourselves jumping to the defence of a good-looking woman (well, one he finds especially good looking: no offence intended to her, but I didn’t have the same reaction as Willis) — or not telling her she’s wrong as in Willis’s take on it. In fact, I would have spoken up if Willis had written a hasty, typo-ridden, highly-emotional, unprofessional, initially sacharine-sweet, and later condescending and sneering, open letter ostensibly welcoming a physically-unattractive person to his or her post, also commenting on their appearance.
But tell yourself whatever you want to believe.

Hilary Ostrov (aka hro001)
August 8, 2013 7:33 pm

Anthony Watts says: August 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm

Regarding the Political Correctness debate of Willis’ article.
Some people saw nothing wrong with it, and some people are doing voluminous hand wringing over the PC correctness aspect of it. Point is, there are people who agree with/disagree with every single opinion piece ever written here.

With all due respect, I’m not sure whom you believe to have been doing “voluminous hand-wringing” on this particular matter. I have seen “voluminous” disrespectful and dismissive comments (of the blue-background kind) that far out-weigh the word-counts of those on both sides of the gender divide whose own observations have ostensibly been the subject of the blue-background responses [examples available on request!]
But, IMHO, there is a “broader” issue, so to speak!
Many commenters (of whom I was one) took Willis’ post – in its entirety – at face value, i.e. a letter to McNutt, and tried to offer some constructive suggestions for improvement. Some did so with kid gloves, others more frankly. But this was far from being the only (or even the most important) criticism from the perspective of one who might have made (what in hindsight appears to be the critical and possibly unforgivable error) of taking this post at face value.
In these blue-background responses, I have seen justifications that include (but are certainly not limited to):

Finally, you totally mistake my intention. As I said above, I’m writing to Dr. McNutt, but I’m writing for the folks in the cheap seats, by which I mean the interested lay person. I want them to understand that the claims that the Editor-In-Chief of Science magazine is making have nothing to do with science. It would be wonderful if Dr. McNutt understood that as well, but that’s secondary. The odds of finding open minds are better with the lurkers … which is why I write for them.

and:

“You share what seems to be a common misconception, that my intention was to convince her of the error of her ways. Nothing could be further from the truth.
[…]
“I wrote it because I want her to know that people out here are angry
[…]
“I wrote it to expose her.
I didn’t want to convince her of the error of her ways”

and:

“In common with many people. you seem to have have misunderstood my intention […] I’m playing a long game […] People have said I wandered and lost focus. I didn’t want it to be clean and straight. I wanted it to be discursive and with detours and diversions. People say it is too long. I wanted it to be long, even boring.[…]
“You see, I wrote it to be over the top. I wanted it to be over the top […]
[…]
” … what I really wanted to do was to raise a really big ruckus about Science magazine’s blind parroting of climate alarmism. The way I’ve done it guarantees that it will get wide coverage […]
[…]
“… my real intention—to spread my idea of the natural experiment […] I play a long game and I’m a subtle man.
“So I’m overjoyed that you wanted to get out your hook and pull me off of the stage, Steven. It means that I’ve succeeded beyond my expectations.”

and:

“Oh, if she starts it, she’ll read it all the way through. As I said above, she needs to do that […] it’s written to her, but not simply for her”

and IMHO, this one really takes the cake, particularly considering the comment to which he was purportedly responding, but here are a few excerpts]

“I wanted to talk about things that people say we shouldn’t talk about.
“I wanted my post to be cited and quoted all over the blogosphere, and I wanted the focus to be on what a jerk I was, and not on the scientific claims I was making and the scientific questions […] I wanted you and everyone else to be discussing Science magazine, and whether and why it’s wrong to say that men lie to good looking women. I wanted to bring the velvet censorship we call political correctness out into the open.[…]”
[…]
“She’s put a lovely picture of her face up above the fold in the text about climate change … and I’m sexist for even mentioning the good looking face that she has made damn certain is the focal point of climate science discussion?

and:

“I wanted to bring big publicity to the issues that I raised, the natural experiment and what it means. I wanted people to know about the size of the recent temperature rise according to the BEST data, and to think about what that says about the results of large warming.
[…]
“In three days, my latest post has fifty percent more page views than posts from a month ago”

So, will the real reason for this post please stand up?! Or, to paraphrase an old song, “What’s it all about, Willis?”
Perhaps it was intended to be a “multi-tasking/multi-purpose” post, a means to an end, so to speak. YMMV, but I’m not sure if the end justifies the means. Particularly if part of the “means” includes being disrespectfully dismissive of some to whose comments he chooses to reply.
As I had suggested in my initial response to Willis, perhaps his message(s) is/are getting lost in his medium of choice.

August 8, 2013 8:10 pm

Christoph Dollis says:
“But tell yourself whatever you want to believe.”
Don’t we all? Or are you above that?
My premise was expressed in my first sentence. Do you disagree?
Interesting question, no?
Anyway, Cristoph, you avoided the central point: Dr. Marcia was chosen for her “carbon” bona fides. Do you disagree with that? [hro001 might want to weigh in on that question, too.]

August 8, 2013 8:26 pm

Is writing a post intended to provoke a wide-ranging discussion about what a jerk (Willis’s words) the most prolific co-blogger on this site is, drawing attention away from the underlying scientific issues (quite on purpose), really helpful to the mission of WattsUpWithThat?
I have my doubts. YMMV.

“I wanted my post to be cited and quoted all over the blogosphere, and I wanted the focus to be on what a jerk I was, and not on the scientific claims I was making and the scientific questions […] I wanted you and everyone else to be discussing Science magazine, and whether and why it’s wrong to say that men lie to good looking women. I wanted to bring the velvet censorship we call political correctness out into the open.[…]”
[…]
“She’s put a lovely picture of her face up above the fold in the text about climate change … and I’m sexist for even mentioning the good looking face that she has made damn certain is the focal point of climate science discussion?

Why exactly is it helpful to this site’s purpose to have a large audience focused on the the part in bold above? Or the remainder above, for that matter?

August 8, 2013 8:31 pm

Anyway, Cristoph, you avoided the central point: Dr. Marcia was chosen for her “carbon” bona fides. Do you disagree with that?

Apparently this isn’t the point we’re meant to focus on at all. As part of the long game, at this stage we’re all supposed to be focused on Willis. And Dr. McNutt’s looks. And whether men lie to hot chicks.
Because.

August 8, 2013 8:39 pm

Hilary Ostrov (aka hro001) on August 8, 2013 at 7:33 pm

– – – – – – – –
Hilary Ostrov,
I cannot find a simple main thrust in your comment, only what appears to be projection of a tone of much anger about statements of Anthony and Willis.
I’ve been a fan of your comments for years so am now somewhat concerned.
John

August 8, 2013 8:56 pm

Cristoph says:
“Apparently this isn’t the point we’re meant to focus on at all. As part of the long game, at this stage we’re all supposed to be focused on Willis. And Dr. McNutt’s looks. And whether men lie to hot chicks. Because.”
OK. OK,OK. OK.
But still: Was Dr. Marcia selected because she can be trusted to promote the “carbon” narrative?
Or not?
Because science is not about knowing… It is about not knowing.

August 8, 2013 8:59 pm

Hilary Ostrov,
I cannot find a simple main thrust in your comment

Perhaps because the main thrust of her comment was to point out the lack of a main thrust in Willis’s letter and comments? This could have been your clue:

I have seen justifications that include (but are certainly not limited to):

So, will the real reason for this post please stand up?!

August 8, 2013 9:00 pm

Was Dr. Marcia selected because she can be trusted to promote the “carbon” narrative?

I suspect she wouldn’t have had a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the post if she wasn’t on board with the consensus.

August 8, 2013 9:22 pm

Willis,
It’s almost time for that important period of the day . . . cocktail hour. So this may be brief.
I like your technique of expression and your courage to take on some PC stereotypes in modern America (and perhaps elsewhere).
You have created real education here in critical analysis. Probably some of your antagonists on this thread learned analysis from you over the years.
I like the substance of your letter and comments.
Some reasonable people have disagreed with you and likewise some have supported you on the feminine / masculine interaction subject.That is a measure of your value here at WUWT . . . value as a reasonable discourse stimulator. It’s what is rare at Cook’s Skeptical[-less] Science site.
John

johanna
August 9, 2013 12:28 pm

Hopefully Willis has got his arm out of the nest of fire-ants that he stuck it into.
I enjoy many of his posts, and look forward to his future contributions. Let’s hope that negating and bullying his detractors is a thing of the past.

johanna
August 9, 2013 12:35 pm

Whoops, my comment was in the ether at the same time as the bully pulpit in blue above.
I take it all back. He is unteachable on this topic. Or maybe just too proud to admit that that he is wrong. Willis is like the guy who opens with three clubs when I have a small slam in my hand.

chuckr
August 9, 2013 4:05 pm

When it comes to issues that I think I’m knowledgeable about I often try to understand how others can come to a conclusions opposite or extensively contradictory to my own. There really is only three explanations…. 1) Our premises are different. 2) Someones logic is flawed 3) Someone is lying.
Since I believe my logic is correct, my premises true and I am honest I have to assume that the explanation involves the other persons failings in one of those areas. So in essence our differences can only be explained by ignorance, stupidity or dishonesty. I am not going to assume dishonesty without evidence and I’m certainly not going to assume higher intelligence so the answer must be ignorance until proven differently.
Now there are countless reasons for ignorance and I can’t think of one that doesn’t offend if one is predisposed to be offended. I think most participants on this site would agree that Dr. McNutt’s reasoning is faulty. Willis contemplated one possible contributing factor. Actually one that is probably one of the least insulting explanations.

August 9, 2013 5:23 pm

johanna says:
“…my comment was in the ether at the same time as the bully…”
No, it wasn’t. I am usually in agreement with your comments, johanna. Not here, though, because it seems you are looking to be offended. [For example, your: “I take it all back.”]
Your comment above blamed cross-posting ‘in the ether’, however, there was more than half an hour’s delay between the time stamps. So I’m skeptical about that. Your comment was very short, too, so the time wouldn’t have been used up composing. Admit it, you were hoping for some reason to be offended. And you found it. Deliberately taking offense is a terrible affliction in our modern society. And it does not happen by accident. I think you are being used.
And Willis doesn’t “bully” his detractors, he responds to them in an unemotional way — and then only after they have taken the first shot. We have seen that pattern many times. His comments sting because they are usually right on point. He was not being sexist here, either. But if you think he was, then please explain your reasoning. He explained his.
What bothers me mightily is the turn for the worse that society has taken regarding every assorted group feeling “offended”, for whatever reason. That is pure tribalism, and it is fostered and promoted by people who are trying to rip apart society for their own self-serving reasons. They want to pick up the pieces. I am just sorry that you have bought into their ‘victim’ psychology. Women are no longer victims — if they ever really were. It may surprise you, but many women actually like the prospect of staying at home, and of having kids, and an SUV, going to PTA meetings, etc.
As Dr McNutt clearly demonstrates, women are now at the point where they have a better than even chance of getting a promotion that would have automatically gone to a man in the old days. Instead of looking to be offended, from my perspective you should be rejoicing. How much is ever enough for you? McNutt’s top job at Science seems to contradict what you’re ‘feeling’. So I would add reason #4 to ‘chuckr’s’ comment above: #4: hurt feelings. Feelings are real, for sure. But feelings are hardly legitimate in this discussion. You cannot legitimately impute your feelings onto your designated group. Debating quantifiable facts is the only legitimate argument, and feelings are not quantifiable. They are yours alone, as my feelings are mine alone.
As Christoph Dollis frankly admits: “I suspect [McNutt] wouldn’t have had a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the post if she wasn’t on board with the consensus.” And right there you have the reason, expressed in one simple sentence: McNutt got the job primarily because she was willing to sell out her scientific principles — the Scientific Method itself! — in return for her coveted promotion. It happens with men too, of course, all the time. But selling out is never something to be admired. Cristoph may not have said it the same way, especially after reading this, but Dr McNutt sold out to get what she wanted. In science, truth is everything. But McNutt has traded probity for promotion. [For Joe Biden: probity means honesty.]
Finally, Willis tried, apparently sincerely, to provide an escape from Dr. McNutt’s ethical quandary. She won’t take him up on it, of course. Everyone at Science got exactly what they wanted [except maybe the men who were passed over]. But now Science has descended to an even lower step, propagandizing the very subject its journal is named after. They sold out, too.
I will retract everything written here with a sincere mea culpa if McNutt proves me wrong, and insists on the Scientific Method with its requirements for publicly archiving all data, and the rest of the suggestions made by Willis. But I’m not holding my breath.

johanna
August 10, 2013 2:29 am

db stealey, timestamps notwithstanding, I posted based on what was visible on my screen at the time. Are you accusing me of lying about this? Why would I do that? What possible advantage is there in it for me? That is assuming that you think that I am a liar, something which Willis, for one, takes great exception to. It is a point on which we agree.
Nothing in my posts, or those of the other women who have commented, suggested anything in favour of affirmative action or whatever it is called this week. None of those posts defended her views or actions, let alone on the grounds that she is female.
The slipping and sliding that has characterised this discussion is worthy of the sleaziest segments of the True Believers.

August 10, 2013 4:08 am

johanna,
Sorry if my comment was over the top. I’m not accusing you of lying. But you should understand that the person constantly under attack here has been Willis. One of the great faluts in my life has been excessive loyalty, and as usual I was defending someone who I think was done wrong.
I know Willis. We’ve met a few times, we correspond occasionally, and I always have found him to be a straight shooter in a world populated mostly with other types. Anthony is the same way. But it seems they are both under attack for having a different view than what they are expected to have.
Society has taken a turn for the worse. I really do believe that many folks are being used by people with an agenda — people who could not care less about you. You are their tool, and when they are done you will be discarded. You have been made to believe that men are your problem. But really, we are all in this together. ‘Us vs them’ only benefits a few, while making a lot of people needlessy miserable.
From my perspective, women do not have it bad. But they are constantly told how they are being discriminated against, and eventually lots of them start nodding in agreement. This same tactic applies to just about every other group, whether it’s Mexicans, or blacks, or even preposterously, people who have it very good, like union workers, the ultimate grievance whiners.
But if you’re Asian, well, you have to give up your opportunity to get into the best schools, even if your GPA is 4.25. All because certain races are favored. That is official government racism, isn’t it? And women now outnumber men as students in higher education. Again, because of official government sexist policies. Truth be told, it is now men who are discriminated against. But men, like Asians, are not on the government’s ‘favored’ list. So the McNutts get a leg up, and too bad if there was a better qualified male candidate.
The grievance industry is the basis for racism, for sexism, and for tribalism in general, and it absolutely harms the country. I am very lucky to be married to a fine woman who doesn’t buy into that crap. She is a happy person, and plenty of others would be far happier if they understood that the glass is half full, not half empty. Women have it good, not bad! Sure, you can always find exceptions. But then there are the McNutt’s, who again preposterously, are cited as an example of womens’ problems. It is as if Willis caused their problems by asking questions that should have been asked by the selection committee. [And don’t even get me started on racial groups. The government deliberately discriminate against one group in order to bestow advantages on another group.] How about acheiving what you can on your own, without blaming others? Success comes to people with that attitude. Examples are everywhere.
Sorry about the way I came across, it’s probably just my way of hitting back at what I see happening in the world. As I said, I usually enjoy your comments and agree with them. So please take this as my apology. And if you could try to see things from Willis’ point of view, that would be great, too.

Hilary Ostrov (aka hro001)
August 10, 2013 7:34 am

@Willis,
First of all, thank you for withdrawing your incorrect assessment of my Aug. 6 comment. I appreciate this. And in return, I find I owe you an apology!
You see, in response to my:

But I take it from the rest of your “reply” that your “outrage” was fake, and you weren’t really “playing to the lurkers” after all (or if you were, you certainly don’t seem to give a damn about their perceptions and opinions, either).

you had written:

My “outrage” was fake? I fear I don’t know what “outrage” in scare-quotes you are referring to, or why you’ve concluded it is “fake”. I don’t ever do fake outrage. Again, I ask, and again, and again—quote what it is you object to. Without a quote, I have no clue which part of either my long post or my many comments you think is “fake outrage”, and I am certainly not going to try to guess.

I must have inadvertently donned my “what’s-this-global-warming-stuff-all-about” newbie lurker hat, again. Because I see now that when I was wearing that hat I had used the word “outrage” six times (and once more when I couldn’t find my kid gloves!) And while I distinctly recall that it was something I had definitely picked up from the tone and style of your letter, I concede that you did not in fact use the word. So, I apologize, unreservedly.
OTOH, as you had told Steve Mosher (and as you subsequently reiterated to me during the course of your incorrect assessment):

I wrote it to be over the top. I wanted it to be over the top

and as you did say in one of your comments:

I wrote it because I want her to know that people out here are angry

I don’t dispute for a moment that you succeeded in your goal of conveying over the top anger. That being the case, when I was wearing my newbie lurker hat, what word should I have chosen for ‘over the top anger’ – other than “outrage” – Willis?
Funny, though, it didn’t seem to bother you in the slightest when you were replying to the comment in which I had actually used it seven times (twice in “quotes” and five times without). You didn’t even mention it in that reply! Ooops, no I see that you did use the word once in this reply, but you were talking about John Cook’s outrage, not about anything in my comment to which you were ostensibly replying – while expounding at length on your “theory”.
Oh, well … I quite agree that my use of “fake” was ‘over the top’ and uncalled-for. So, knowing that you write and re-write and choose your words very carefully – to make sure that you have the right tone and style – perhaps we could agree on a compromise: Would “carefully groomed outrage” work for you? Or would you prefer “carefully groomed anger”?
And while you’re thinking about that, perhaps we could go back to your “theory” for a moment … You had written:

Now, that’s my explanation for part of her blind acceptance and parroting of the claims she is making. I advanced that theory because as I said, it’s obviously not for lack of brains or education or strength, she has those in spades.
Is my claim true? Perhaps not.
Is my claim worthy of the abuse heaped on it?

Mr. Lyn had challenged your “female critics” to provide an alternate “explanation”. Did you happen see a few possibilities that came to my mind? I’d be interested in knowing what you think.
But about this alleged abuse, Willis. I’m certainly not going to try and guess what your definition of “abuse” might be. So, would it be too much to ask you to practice what you so often preach – and provide some specific quotes as examples? Thanks!
In the meantime, I noticed your latest comment yesterday which you began by writing:

[…] After a day without reading a single word of the thread, here are the two things that stood out for me, and that I would like to present for discussion in an attempt to re-start the communication on a more productive path.
On Being Offended
I understand that the women who have responded have been offended by what I said. And your being offended is real, I do not make light of it, and I regret being the focus of it.

“Offended”?! Who has claimed she was “offended”?! Certainly not I! And just for the record, I wasn’t even “upset” or “disturbed” as you had previously mis-characterized my initial comments. Perhaps because you hadn’t ‘read a single word’?! I cannot imagine how else you could possibly have construed my:
[reading your letter through the eyes of an Editor]

What on earth do anyone’s good looks have to do with the price of tea in China, these days – or with anything else, for that matter?! Maybe this chap’s never heard of the maxim, “flattery will get you nowhere”

to which I seem to recall you had alluded at the end of your treatise and gallantly dismissed as “bullshit”; or
[wearing my newbie lurker hat]

I wonder why he needed to mention that she is “strikingly good looking”. That’s weird and soooooo mid 20th century.

as being “upset” and/or “disturbed” – which now evidently has morphed into my being “offended” (at least according to my reading of your “understanding”)
People on both sides of the gender divide, who took your letter at face value and who tried to offer suggestions for improvement, have used words such as “patronizing” and/or “condescending” when describing their impressions of your tone; and “inappropriate” and/or “out of line” when describing their opinions of your text.
In my books, ‘over the top anger’ is pretty close to “outrage”; but, IMHO, it requires a giant leap to get from any of the above to “offended”. So I figured I must have missed some comments in which the authors had claimed they were “offended” and/or found your tone/words to be “offensive”. And I went off in search of such comments. Here’s a summary of my findings:
No. of comments containing offen*: 9
Total instances of offen*: 37
Comments containing 1 instance: 5
Comments containing 2 instances: 2
Comments containing 13 instances: 1
Comments containing 15 instances: 1
Unless “dp” is a woman (and the context of this instance is not relevant to the text at issue, anyway), as far as I was able to determine, all of the above authors are male. Since the lion’s share of instances clearly belongs to you, it seems to me that the source of your August 9 “understanding” – “After a day without reading a single word of the thread” – is more likely than not to have been your very own 13 instances written on August 7. Beginning with:

Regarding your central point, I’ve acknowledged several times that 100% of the women who commented thought I was out of line, they were offended

Which you then followed with 12 further iterations of “offended” – none of which appeared to have any relevance to anything Johanna had said.
As far as I can tell, there’s no evidence that any of these women declared that they were “offended”. Least of all Johanna, to whom you were ostensibly replying. Or do the rules of your game mean that everyone has to quote your words exactly, but your depiction of anyone else’s words will trump their actual meaning in their original context every single time?
Personally, I much prefer Bridge. Everyone plays by the same rules.
Notwithstanding any and/or all of the above, you seem to want to have a “discussion” on two issues: “being offended” and “sexism”. Frankly, I’m not sure what either one of these has to do with science or Science – or with your Open Letter to McNutt regardless of whether you want her to read it or not.
But if Anthony agrees that these issues are suitable topics for WUWT, as the saying goes, Willis … knock yourself out!
Don’t expect to hear from me, though. I’m not sure what your idea of a “productive path” might be; but I’ve never played the “my claim, prove me wrong” game – and I’m not about to start.

ferdberple
August 10, 2013 8:30 am

Willis is of course correct that men lie to good looking women. However, when I read his quote I had no difficulty predicting people would crawl out of the woodwork to criticize.
In general, “good looking” men and women get preferential treatment in our society. The dictates of political correctness require that we not mention this in polite conversation, because it indicates discrimination, and discrimination is “wrong”. Similarly, in the Victorian era, one could not mention sex in polite conversation, because sex was “wrong”. However, there was still plenty of it going on.
Each and every one of us tells plenty of “lies” every day. It is how we manage to survive as a society. Honey, does this dress make me look fat? Honey, do you think she is pretty? If you don’t know the answer to these questions, you haven’t been paying attention.

August 10, 2013 5:06 pm

ferd berple says:
“If you don’t know the answer to these questions, you haven’t been paying attention.”
If you don’t know the correct answers to those questions, you are divorced. Maybe more than once. Or you were never married.
Correctomundo answers:
“Dear, nothing makes you look fat. You are perfect in my eyes! Thin is overrated anyway.”
And:
“Pretty? I suppose in a conventional, Barbie-doll sort of way. But a cougar like that will never be as beautiful as you are to me.”
Correct answers = everyone knows you’re lyin’. But you’re still gonna get some tonight. ☺

johanna
August 10, 2013 5:46 pm

dbs, of course I accept your apology without reservation. Whatever our respective positions in the “gender wars” might be, your moderation skills are missed at WUWT.