Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Dear Dr. McNutt:
As a somewhat unwilling subscriber to Science, let me start by welcoming you as the latest editor of Science magazine. You’ve stated “Thirty-five years ago, when I was a graduate student and my very first research paper was published in Science, I do not think I could ever have dreamed that one day I would have the honor of becoming Editor-in-Chief of this most distinguished journal.”
And in addition to your most impressive resume, you do get huge props from me for this part of your Wikipedia biography, which I certainly hope is true, viz:
McNutt is a NAUI-certified scuba diver and she trained in underwater demolition and explosives handling with the U.S. Navy UDT and SEAL Team.
Indeed you do have an unparalleled opportunity, which is to turn what has become just another glossy advocacy magazine back into a distinguished scientific journal.
Unfortunately, during the intervening 35 years of your remarkable scientific career since you were a graduate student, a once-stellar magazine has fallen on hard times. Starting with Donald Kennedy, and continuing under Bruce Alberts, it has become a shabby vehicle for strident climate activism … and that experiment has proven once again that Science can’t be both an activist journal and a scientific journal. Science magazine has thrown its considerable (but rapidly decreasing) weight behind a number of causes. And yes, some of those causes are indeed important.
The problem is that you are convinced the causes are hugely important, and you want to convince us of the same. But once you convince people that your causes are more important to you than your science, that’s it for your authority regarding the science. You either get to have activism, or you get scientific authority. You don’t get both. And the past actions of your magazine have clearly demonstrated that these days your activist causes are much more important to you than the science.
The problems have involved two main issues in the field I’m involved in, climate science. The first issue is that despite repeated requests, past Science Magazine editors have flouted your own guidelines for normal scientific transparency. You continue to publish articles about climate science without requiring that the authors archive their data and code as required by your own rules. It appears that the rules about archiving data and code are enforced for the little people like myself, but when the Editors of Science want to promote a point of view, the rules don’t apply … funny how that works.
The second issue is that in climate science, far too often Science magazine editors have substituted pal review for peer review. As a result, people laugh at the bumf that passes for climate science in your pages. They don’t disagree with your articles. They laugh at your articles. I’m told that in some scientific circles, it’s only the glossy unabsorbent nature of the magazine’s paper that keeps the climate science articles from being used, perhaps more appropriately, for hygienic purposes … seriously, you have published some really risible, really shabby, grade-school level studies in climate science. It’s embarrassing.
With a new Editor-In-Chief, I’ve been hoping that might all be in the past. Unfortunately, after taking over at the helm, you’ve chosen to reveal your … umm … well, let me describe it as your newness to the concept of “scientific journal editor” by following in the foolishly activist footsteps of your immediate predecessors. I’d hoped you might be smarter than they were, and indeed you might still show yourself to be. But to jump into the middle of the climate debate and stake out a position for Science magazine? Why? That’s suicide for the magazine. Science magazine should never have an editorial stance on the science it is discussing and overseeing. Leave that to Mother Jones magazine, or to National Geographic, or Popular Science. Your magazine taking a strong activist position on climate science is just evidence that you have abandoned all pretense of being concerned with climate science itself. When the science is strong it doesn’t need defenders … and if the Editor-In-Chief of Science feels it’s necessary to defend some part of science, that simply proves that the “science” involved must be of the weakest.
And regarding you personally taking a position? Well, that’s interesting. The problem is that you are extremely well educated, strong, strikingly good looking, and a wickedly-smart woman by all accounts … and while those are all good things, that’s a scary combination. One downside of that particular melange is that as a result, it’s very possible that people, particularly men, haven’t told you the unvarnished truth in years. So some of what I have to say may be a surprise to you.
Here are your climate claims from your recent Editorial, based presumably on your research into the flexural modes of the earth’s crust:
Researchers have turned to the geologic record to obtain ground truth about patterns of change for use in climate models. Information from prior epochs reveals evidence for conditions on Earth that might be analogs to a future world with more CO2. Projections based on such previous evidence are still uncertain, because there is no perfect analog to current events in previous geologic epochs; however, even the most optimistic predictions are dire. For example, environmental changes brought on by climate changes will be too rapid for many species to adapt to, leading to widespread extinctions. Unfortunately, I view these predicted outcomes as overly optimistic.
Now, the uninitiated might not notice the subtle change of tense there, from the subjunctive to the declarative. But those of us who are used to the pea-and-shell game will have seen that you’ve done something curious. You’ve started by saying that “Projections based on such previous evidence are still uncertain”. That is true, and not only true, it’s a huge understatement.
Here is the current state of climate science, the understanding of past climate changes, and the prediction of future climates.
• Not one climate scientist on either side of the aisle predicted the current ~ 15-year hiatus in warming. This lack of warming was highlighted as early as 2009 in a widely-circulated article called “What Happened to Global Warming? Scientists Say Just Wait a Bit”. In that article, various scientists were quoted as saying the warming would resume in a few years.
Well, we’ve waited a few years, Dr. McNutt. Their predictions, once again, haven’t come true … and despite that, here you are to lecture us. And where did this most seditious article entitled “What Happened To Global Warming” appear?
Why, it appeared in Science magazine … you want to be taken seriously in the field of climate science, yet you don’t mention this lack of recent warming at all?
• Not one climate scientist on either side of the aisle can explain the century or two of cooling leading up to the Little Ice Age in the 1600s. Why did the world slowly get colder back then? Oh, some folks claim it’s the sun, maybe so, maybe not … but really, no one knows.
• Not one climate scientist on either side of the aisle can explain the three centuries of slow general warming that have followed the Little Ice Age. What changed to gradually warm the planet, after it had been cooling for centuries?
• None of these things are explicable as the results of CO2, which supposedly is the secret control knob that regulates the global temperature.
So no one can explain the past climate changes, the CO2 explanation fails miserably at the hindcast, and you tell us that predictions based on the past are “still uncertain”, which is a big understatement and is certainly true.
But despite that uncertainty, despite that lack of knowledge, in the very next sentence you assure us breathlessly that predictions that “ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES WILL BE TOO RAPID FOR MANY SPECIES TO ADAPT TO, LEADING TO WIDESPREAD EXTINCTIONS” are not alarmist enough for you …
Changes “will be” too rapid? “Will be”? And that’s not alarmist enough for you?
I truly hope you don’t realize what you are saying. I truly hope that you do not understand that that sentence of yours is nothing but strident alarmism that you are presenting under the guise of science.
Because you don’t know what the unknown environmental changes WILL do the species of the planet, that’s incredible hubris. More to the point, you have absolutely no evidence for your claim of “widespread extinctions”. Not one modern species has ever been shown to have gone extinct from climate change. Even Nature magazine has given up on the goofy idea of the “sixth wave of extinctions” that you are trying to sell. There is no evidence for your “extinction by climate change” claim at all.
Let me take a bit of a detour, and discuss the idea of a “natural experiment”. People always say we can’t study climate in a laboratory, and that’s true. We can’t use the lab to see how a big ecosystem full of real-world species might react to changing temperatures, for example. But we have natural experiments. And we’ve just conducted a very interesting experiment. Here’s the record of the experiment.

According to the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature dataset shown above, the global land is two and a half degrees warmer than it was around 1810. Two and a half degrees of warming in two centuries. That’s well beyond what is supposed to be the huge danger change of two degrees of warming … where are the corpses?
You seem to be concerned about the speed of the changes. Two and a half degrees in two centuries is fast, it’s well over half the speed of the changes you are concerned about. As a result, we should have seen at least some evidence for your claim that warming causes extinctions … perhaps you could name the species that have gone extinct from warming during that natural experiment? I ask, because I’ve looked very hard, and I haven’t found even one.
You continue with your litany of unsubstantiated worries:
Even species that might tolerate the new environment could nevertheless decline as the ecosystems on which they depend collapse. The oceans will become more stratified and less productive.
The oceans WILL become more stratified? They WILL become less productive? And you say species “could” decline, but the ecosystem collapse is presented without qualifiers? My dear lady, you just told us that all of these “projections” are very uncertain. Let me suggest that you lose the “will become” and the “will happen”. You don’t know if warmer oceans will be more or less productive, and that kind of puffery just makes people point and laugh. I implore you, stop with the pronouncements from on high. You just got appointed, it’s true, but only to the editorship of Science, not to a more celestial and all-seeing post.
In addition, perhaps you could point to an example of a thermally-caused “ecosystem collapse” from the two and a half degrees C warming of the last two centuries? You know … evidence?
You go on …
If such ecosystem problems come to pass, the changes will affect humans in profound ways. The loss in ocean productivity will be detrimental for the 20% of the population that depends on the seas for nutrition. Crops will fail more regularly, especially on land at lower latitudes where food is in shortest supply.
The first part is good, you preface your statements with “IF the ecosystem problems come to pass”. The rest of it, however, is just more unsupported, uncited, unverified, and untrue fears. You have no evidence that a couple of degrees of warming will make the crops “fail more regularly”. Again, we’ve just run a natural experiment. We’ve just seen what happened when the land temperatures went up two and a half degrees from 1810 to the present. So please tell us, Dr. McNutt …
Where is the evidence of any loss in ocean productivity from that two and a half degrees C of warming? I say that you don’t have even a scrap of evidence that warming per se causes a decline in oceanic productivity. I certainly have never seen any.
Where is the evidence of any tropical crop loss from the last two centuries of warming?
Where is the evidence of any cities submerged by sea level rise?
Where is the evidence of the claimed spread of diseases?
Where are the climate refugees? You are aware, I hope, that the UN Environmental Programme climate specialists, part of the “97% consensus”, confidently predicted 50 million climate refugees by 2010 … perhaps you could point those refugees out for those of us who can’t find them?
Or perhaps you’re not aware of the dozens of such failed predictions by members of the fabled “97% consensus”. There’s no problem if you’re not aware of those unsuccessful “scientific” forecasts, I mean after all you’re a geologist, not a climate scientist … but if you lack that kind of basic knowledge of the climate field, then why are you attempting to lecture us on the subject?
Sadly, it seems that like many other good honest folk, you are simply parroting claims of danger that you have swallowed without ever thinking critically about them. Reconsider the natural experiment. We’ve had two and a half degrees of warming, and from everything I can find, it wasn’t harmful to the planetary denizens. There were no climate refugees. The coral atolls didn’t go underwater, we still have them. According to the IPCC, there’s been no increase in extreme weather events. No cities had to be evacuated because of sea level rise.
Two and a half degrees C, and not only were there no catastrophes from that warming, quite the opposite. Overall, it was beneficial to plants, animals, and humans alike. Expanded growing seasons and milder winters provided larger and more stable crops. Longer ice-free periods on the northern harbors and rivers allowed increased commerce. Milder winters killed fewer people … what’s not to like?
Now, you claim to be a scientist, Dr. McNutt. And I’m happy to be proven wrong when I say that your climate fears are not based in reality. To prove me wrong, you need to provide evidence. Not claims. Not solemn warnings of future disasters unencumbered by any historical parallel. You need to provide evidence.
So if you’d be so kind as to point out the past catastrophes that came from the last two and a half degrees C of rapid warming, your alarmism about the possibility of another two and a half degrees might at least contain a hint of realism, even if it’s only a Hollywood “based on a true story” kind of realism.
If you can’t find any thermal catastrophes from that 2.5 degrees of warming, on the other hand, an honest scientist would change her views accordingly … your call.
Heck, you’re so new to the field that you don’t even have your alarmist talking points straight. Al Gore gives classes in this stuff so his minions will all be singing from the same hymnbook, you might borrow a copy. Because according to the alarmists, the effect of the CO2 warming will be greatest in the extra-tropics and the polar regions. In those areas it’s supposed to affect mostly nighttime temperatures, and particularly in the winter.
So your claim that crops will fail “at lower latitudes where food is in shortest supply” is in direct disagreement with the alarmist predictions of danger at the Poles.
Not only that, but your uncited claim of tropical losses is also in direct disagreement with the historical data, which shows that the tropics has warmed the least of all of the latitudinal zones. The tropical warming since 1900 is lost in the noise, your claim of tropical crop loss is a sad joke. You should at least switch latitudes and join up with your co-religionists and Al Gore’s minions in trying to scare people about a warming Arctic … at least that was happening, although unfortunately for alarmists like yourself, Alaska cooled substantially over the first decade of the 21st century, so now the evidence is mixed.
And in any case, where are my minions? I want the government to use their Solyndra funds to provide me with minions, like the ones Al Gore trains using petrodollars he pocketed from the oil companies for his TV station. How come Al has minions and I don’t? I guess the moral is, first get the oil million$, then you’ll get the minions. I’m obviously a slow learner regarding the first part of that … and how come Al gets the petrobucks and nobody says a word, but skeptics get tarred as being on the oil companies payroll but don’t get a dime? … however, I digress. You go on to say:
This unfavorable environmental state could last for many thousands of years as geologic processes slowly respond to the imbalances created by the release of the fossil carbon reservoir. The time scale for biodiversity to be restored, with all the benefits that it brings, will be even longer.
Tertullian says that the Roman Emperors had a slave whose job was to whisper in the Emperor’s ear “Respice post te! Hominem te memento!” In that respect, Dr. McNutt, let me be the slave who reminds you that you are merely the latest future ex-Editor-In-Chief of Science, a once-great magazine.
And while that post still swings a certain (although sadly diminished) amount of weight, it does not confer upon you ex oficio the ability to see “many thousands of years” into the future. You are attempting to channel Cassandra, and you are failing at it spectacularly. I cannot say this strongly enough. Activism is not your friend. The stronger the Editor-In-Chief of Science is as an activist, the less authority the Editor-In-Chief has as a scientist, and the less authority Science has as a scientific journal. What part of “conflict of interest” do you and Bruce Alberts and Donald Kennedy not understand? You cannot be both the peer-reviewer, the gate-keeper who arbitrates which science is worth publishing, and at the same time be a strong scientific alarmist pushing a particular belief as well.
So please, don’t bother us with any more of your unsupported fears about what a bit of warming might do. You’re actually in good shape yet. Yes, you struck out badly in the first inning, but there’s lots of the game left before you’re an ex-, and that just means don’t repeat your mistakes when you come up to bat again.
What you need to be concerned with is what your magazine does, not what the climate does. Lecturing people when your own house is in such bad order does not make you look wise, it makes you look hypocritical. You need to attend to the very poor quality of the studies you are publishing before you start lecturing people about climate science. How about giving us an editorial about how your predecessors didn’t enforce the “archive your data and code” policy, and whether you plan to continue the now time-honored tradition of ignoring the policy? That’s something you can speak about with authority.
After that, perhaps you might give us an editorial about how you are renouncing the anti-scientific practice of using co-authors to review each others’ work? That would be interesting. Or how about an editorial review of the ethical implications of Peter Gleick’s actions, and what their general acceptance by mainstream climate scientists reveal about the nature and extent of Noble Cause Corruption? That would be more than welcome.
But please … no more schoolmarmish lectures, and no more channeling the Ehrlichs and Holdrens. We’ve had enough failed serial doom-casters to last us for decades. You do not want to add your name to that list of unsuccessful catastrophe-mongers.
I say all of this to you for several reasons. First, I can’t stand to see someone driving the bus off the cliff without warning them. You’re doing both your reputation and that of Science magazine great damage through your alarmism, and in my world I am obliged to say something.
Second, there’s an old adage that says “It is better to light one little cylinder of fossil-fuel-derived wax with a wick in it, than to curse the darkness,” or something like that. I’m not the man to sit idly by when something I care about is imperiled.
Next, I say it because as an amateur scientist, I’m a huge fan of the process we call science, and I hate to see the journals flouting scientific transparency and blatantly shilling for one side or the other in a scientific debate.
And curiously, I say it because I truly wish you well. You do have an amazing opportunity, one I’d love to have. You have the chance to turn Science back into a serious, reputable scientific journal.
Plus scuba divers get my support, and women divers who’ve done underwater explosives training with the SEALS get my unalloyed, albeit somewhat jealous, awe and respect.
The main issue is, I’d like to see Science magazine become what it once was—a science magazine without an axe to grind, and without an agenda other than to be the best scientific journal on the planet.
Because as soon as you start grinding that axe and pursuing that agenda, you’ve become an axe-woman on a mission, not a scientist … and although the world needs good axe-women on missions, and I’m sure you’re a very good one when the situation arises, both Science the journal and science itself suffers when the Editor-In-Chief of Science magazine takes up axe-grinding. It destroys your credibility as a major arbiter of what science should be published.
My very best regards to you, and my best wishes for your tenure as Editor-In-Chief, and for the magazine in your hands,
w.
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The magazine should be renamed “Lysenko”
Eli Rabett says:
August 5, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Men do lie to not so good looking women as well, Eli, although in my experience not as often … so I’m not sure what your point is here. Your terse, flippant style is not your friend if you are actually trying to say something in your comment. It just makes me scratch my head and wonder if you’re imbibing something.
w.
Corey S. says: August 5, 2013 at 11:14 am
richardM says: August 5, 2013 at 3:01 pm
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With you, gents … I call BS on her claims to have proficiency with explosives … more than 38 years since I did dems certification and it took training every day for a few months to complete. Maybe a SEAL swam past her one day 😉
Your call upon the tabloids to be less tabloidish is laudable (a similar request to Nature and PNAS is warranted, I’d reckon).
Unfortunately I have grown quite sarcastic (maybe even hopelessly cynical) and have lost hope that publications like Science can actually have a net positive contribution to the scientific process. I have seen the shabby work of dear Dr. Alberts in an non-climate context, and quite probably one *needs* to produce sensationalist articles which ignore reality to sell a tabloid like Science – publish dreck or sink.
As I said, cynicism may have gotten the better of me.
Willis spontificated:
It is perfectly possible to be patronizing and engage in tedious condescending explanations of complex systems without lying. It is often accompanied by the speaker making big eyes and speaking slowly while making air quotes with their fingers. See more at Al Gore.
Boumbette did not say she was being lied to – she said she was not being treated as an equal, or even the superior in conversations with men. It is a continuation of that offense to put words in the lady’s mouth. Step away from the shovel.
Spontificate: To suddenly and arrogantly make stuff up.
Willis, you asked:
“Johanna, which “personal references” are you talking about, and what didn’t you like about them?
Thanks, always more to learn.”
This paragraph refers:
“And regarding you personally taking a position? Well, that’s interesting. The problem is that you are extremely well educated, strong, strikingly good looking, and a wickedly-smart woman by all accounts … and while those are all good things, that’s a scary combination. One downside of that particular melange is that as a result, it’s very possible that people, particularly men, haven’t told you the unvarnished truth in years. So some of what I have to say may be a surprise to you.”
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Firstly, would you have written about a man who got a key job in those terms? I suggest that you would not have, not least because it is irrelevant and patronising.
While I am on the decrepit side of the hill now, as a young gel and well into my forties I looked pretty good – at least as good as Dr McNutt. I held some very senior and responsible jobs. And, people (not just men) lied to me all the time.
Men lied for a range of reasons, including because they thought I would be too dumb to notice, and that they hoped to win my favours. But, I didn’t get those jobs (and keep them) because I was stupid enough to fall for their usually painfully transparent lies.
I hold no brief for Dr McNutt – on the contrary. But if I, as the holder of a senior position, got a letter with that paragraph in it, the writer would be dismissed as creepy and insulting.
If blokes want to compliment women on their appearance, fine by me. Always happy to receive a compliment. But saying that their appearance means that they are less able to sift the wheat from the chaff is another matter. My advice – don’t go there. It just undermines the credibility of whatever else you are saying. And, eviscerating Boumbette didn’t help. At all.
johanna says:
August 6, 2013 at 1:23 am
Thanks for your reply, Johanna. In answer to your question, if the puerile, unexamined content of a man’s claims made me think he was being fed simplistic answers by the people around him, certainly I would have written that. If he were a powerful, handsome bachelor babbling such inanities, and being advised by young women, sure, I’d tell him that women lie to good-looking strong men, and they might not have told him the truth in years. I try to tell the truth, regardless of whether it’s about a man or a woman. What do you do?
Johanna, why would you ever receive such a letter? Do you make ludicrous statements about the climate because that’s what some guy said, and you believed it? I greatly doubt it.
But suppose you did believe and parrot absolute nonsense, and you got such a letter … would it be wise for you to dismiss it?
I didn’t say her appearance made her less able to sift wheat from the chaff. Man, I swear, do people read what I say and then just start making stuff up?
That she can’t separate wheat from chaff was obvious from her claims. I said that her appearance made it more likely that men would lie to her … and from what you said above, you agree with that, viz:
I said that, because I didn’t want to be like all those men, the ones Boumbette spoke of, the men that give Dr. McNutt the simple stories. I wanted her not to be shocked when someone spoke straight to her, and to be aware that I’m not just another lying guy giving her the dumbed down version.
Since she was parroting nonsense, Johanna, I said that some of what I would tell her would be a surprise to her. I said that to her because it’s clear that people around her are feeding her nonsense … and unlike you, who clearly weren’t too dumb to notice, she obviously wasn’t seeing through the predigested pap that she’s been fed.
But that’s not because she’s a woman. That’s because she is just accepting what she’s told, and that’s a disease shared equally by both men and women.
Are you saying I was supposed to go easy on Boumbette because she’s a woman? And if not … what are you saying? That I should have been nicer to Boumbette because it would have been good tactics, in order to win the argument? What, I should conceal my feelings and misrepresent my opinion to win an argument? Not gonna happen.
Serious question, Johanna … if you weren’t being sexist in that remark, and if you weren’t advising me to misrepresent my feelings merely to win an argument, then just what are you advising?
She accused me of a number of unpleasant things without a single example, quote, or scrap of evidence. I don’t take that from anyone. So I insist that when Boumbette steps up to the plate that she be ready to bat, and that she play honorably and fairly … and I’m the bad guy?
Perhaps you sit still for that kind of attack. I don’t, and I am an equal opportunity abuser who couldn’t care less about political correctness. I’m more interested in honesty and fair dealing—I don’t care in the slightest if it is a woman or a man who is trying to run Boumbette’s line of bullshit, of just throwing mud about me at the wall and seeing what sticks. I will tell them exactly what I think of that, man, woman, or cyborg.
I do that because I believe that women are strong enough to take anything, that they hold up half the sky. I also believe that when women screw up, they should be treated just like men. But of course, when I tell a woman she’s making nasty, baseless accusations in exactly the way I’d tell a man, some people go “Oh, Willis, you shouldn’t be mean to her, she’s a woman!” … umm … didn’t we just go through that?
Since there is obviously no way to win in that game, I simply don’t play it. I’ve given up caring, Johanna. I know myself and my heart. I know what the women who have known me over my lifetime have thought of me. I have nothing to apologize to women for at all. I have been their faithful friend and servant. My job regarding my gorgeous ex-fiancee is that I am her Personal Assistant.
So that leaves me free to just say what I think, because I know that I haven’t done women wrong. Might be dumb of me to just say what I think, but you know what? Nobody’s in mystery about where I stand. I put it out there warts and all. Y’all know more about me than you know about many people in your life. I’ve told you who I am, and a host of the good, bad, stupid, inspired, and ugly things that I’ve done, as honestly as I can.
Next, people think I just throw this stuff out there. I don’t. I debated for quite a while regarding whether I should mention her looks, because that’s an obvious minefield. I finally decided to do so, after much consideration, in part for the reasons I explained to Steven Mosher above. You might re-read my answer to Steven with that in mind. Having (after much thought) decided to mention her looks, I then picked and chose each word with great care. As I said, it’s a minefield, and I treat it like one.
That’s how I knew immediately that I never said anything remotely like your claim that I’d said “their appearance means that they are less able to sift the wheat from the chaff”. That was a million miles from both what I said and what I meant. I said specifically what I wanted to say. The rest, you and Boumbette are reading into it. Some of that misunderstanding is my fault, my writing could always be clearer. But I never said that good-looking women couldn’t tell truth from fiction or anything remotely resembling that, that’s all 100% you.
That misunderstanding could happen despite my best efforts, it’s a minefield after all. But it’s a misunderstanding, because any such sexist attitudes about women were ruthlessly drummed right on out of me by my girlfriend back in the late sixties. She was Irish, which probably isn’t politically correct to say either, and a ball of fire, and she wouldn’t stand for any of that nonsense. And of course at the time I was full of such idiocy, I’m a damn cowboy after all.
But I’m also a cowboy whose mother ran a 280-acre cattle ranch by herself and taught her four sons how to ride and shoot a gun and butcher a deer and how to shake hands and build a fire and fix an engine, and that meant that my girlfriend was right, and I knew it. She set me on the straight and narrow path, that fiery lady love of mine, and I thanked her for it then and now, and my life has worked a whole lot better since then …
My best regards to you, and thanks again for your response,
w.
I agree with the message from Willis. However, please note as follows:
Although Willis implies that what the non-deniers say pretty much amounts to giving opinions as facts and when in fact they are not facts, My point is that the lack of facts is the crux of the matter of the global warming / climate change issues. Additionally, Willis does not address the apparent fact that here is the abundant lack of knowledge and understanding of the science behind the thermal balance / imbalance of the biosphere, the lack of factual, not inferred, thermal data, and . the lack of scientific reasoning being used. And, of course, we the deniers must make sure to try not to forget to keep this in mind.
I am not sure if it is scientifically wise to rely on data which may lack a scientific basis. I feel that such is the case if we rely on the 2.5 C temperature rise in the last 200 years or so. Please note that Dr. R. Muller is a Founder and Scientific Director of Berkeley Earth, and as I understand he used to be a “denier”.
To me, the concept of an “average” recent global temperature in general, and particularly in the past, is vague at best and Quixotic at worst: is it an average based on a continuum, minute by minute, day by day….? And, what is it an average of: readings from just a handful of weather stations, or from some ice cores or tree rings, or blanket satellite imagery? And being an average, what accuracy would be expected?
Willis, is your letter available as a PDF?
I don’t think the actual amount of temperature rise in the last two hundred years is important. Willis’s point is that the dire consequences predicted for another such increment (whatever it is) are extremely unlikely, since they didn’t occur before; it’s a “natural experiment.”
This is not to say that your argument about the quixotic, even illusory, notion of an ‘average’ global temperature is invalid. There’s some agreement that ‘the world’ warmed up a tad since the Little Ice Age, but exactly where, and by how much, and according to what standard are as far as I can tell, imponderable.
BTW, the term ‘denier’ should be eschewed, even tongue-in-cheek.
/Mr Lynn
One more editing note: double the in this sentence.
Not one climate scientist on either side of the aisle can explain the three centuries of slow general warming that have followed the the Little Ice Age. What changed to gradually warm the planet, after it had been cooling for centuries?
If your aim is to be persuasive, especially to those who could be persuaded, you unfortunately missed the mark. This essay works as a screed to reinforce what we skeptics already know and believe, but the tone at times is smug and harsh and it verges on the very personal. For example, the following is completely unnecessary and, frankly, “creepy” and “sexist” is not inaccurate:
“The problem is that you are extremely well educated, strong, strikingly good looking, and a wickedly-smart woman by all accounts … and while those are all good things, that’s a scary combination. One downside of that particular melange is that as a result, it’s very possible that people, particularly men, haven’t told you the unvarnished truth in years. So some of what I have to say may be a surprise to you.”
None of us care if McNutt is “strikingly good looking” or whether or not she has been told the “unvarnished truth” by men. That’s an extremely personal judgment based on your assumptions. It reveals more about you, Mr. Eschenbach, that it does about McNutt and I don’t see the point of including it. If it was meant to soften the rather harsh and personal tone you adopt at times, it fails badly. Just leave it out. If you’re looking for suggestions to improve this, read the comments above. I suggest drastically editing this, cutting out all the fluff and personal judgments, soften the harsh tone or rid the essay of the personal lecturing of McNutt entirely, and stick to the facts. Make it about a quarter as long. That’s much more persuasive.
To repeat myself:
“For all those carpers above who are busily advising Willis how to fine-tune his missive for its ostensible recipient: Forget it; it’s an Open Letter. It’s been published, so it’s been sent. The horse has gone; close the barn door.”
/Mr Lynn
Oops! Linked wrong comment. See here. /Mr L
Lauren R says:
August 6, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Thanks, Lauren. If my aim had been to be persuasive, you’d be right. But that was not my aim at all. See my reply to Steven Mosher above.
w.
Lauren R says:
August 6, 2013 at 12:30 pm
No, YOU don’t care. But as is far too common among people who want to sell their outrage, you make the ludicrous claim that your personal opinion is shared by every single individual who reads my post.
Ego much?
I would take another shot at explaining my meaning, but given your conviction that you speak for everyone, that your opinions are the opinions of every other individual … I think I’ll pass.
w.
It’s a strange world we live in where observing differences is attacked, but I noticed that Dr McNutt has been honoured as a role model for girls by the “Chicks in Science” program at MSU Billings (see http://www.montanabio.org/professional-women-honored-in-chicks-in-science-for-being-role-models-for-girls/ ).
[Reply: Ouch! ☺ ~mod.]
Willis, in August 4, 2013 at 7:21 pm you wrote:
and in August 4, 2013 at 7:54 pm you wrote:
Willis, perhaps you were having a somewhat cranky day when you were responding to these particular posts – or at least those excerpts you had chosen to cite – as well as others in a similar (and some considerably stronger!) vein 🙂
FWIW, here are some views from here, so to speak!
When I saw this “open letter”, I first tried to read it through the eyes of a new editor in chief of Science – known to be a “listener” who might be looking for new ideas and/or material for her journal. So my first skim did not result in my “reading every word” – far from it! Eleven page-downs? Hmmm … let me get out my virtual red pencil and take a closer look to see what could be dropped. Back to the top, I scroll, for a second and somewhat closer read.
After first page down … hmmm … wonder why this chap is focusing on unrelated expertise that he’s picked up from Wikipedia. I wonder if he’s aware that I served on the senior editorial board of Science for nine years – and that I just might have other skills and experience that are more relevant to this position than those he chose to highlight. Certainly his:
is far from astute – or indicative of his having done his homework.
Oh, well … moving right along … Yes, I can see that he has some strong opinions about Science although sometimes he’s talking about me, sometimes he’s talking about the journal and a lot of the time, he’s talking about him! A little clarity would help, I think. What’s this I see before me?!
What on earth do anyone’s good looks have to do with the price of tea in China, these days – or with anything else, for that matter?! Maybe this chap’s never heard of the maxim, “flattery will get you nowhere”. Based on what I’ve read so far, I’m finding it difficult to imagine that there will be many (if any) “surprises” in what he has to say.
How many more page-downs from here? Hmmm … eight more pages of unbridled emotion to wade through? Nah, I don’t think so. [Looks at watch] Time for lunch, then I have a plane to catch.
So Hilary puts away her imaginary virtual red pencil and heads out from this imaginary plush executive office … waits a little while, then puts on her what’s-this-global-warming-stuff-all-about lurker hat …
This looks interesting … he’s sending a letter to someone. It’s quite long, isn’t it, and he seems to be quite upset about something or at someone. [scrolling down through comments … hmmm … seems upset at quite a few people, but I’m not sure why]
But it looks as though he doesn’t really intend to send a letter to anyone even though he calls it an “open letter” and he’s really writing it for the “lurkers”. Hey, that’s me! Cool!
Oh, it’s all about some journal called Science, and he’s not very fond of it (nor from the comments are a number of others). And he seems really p*ssed off at the new editor. Good thing he’s not sending the letter, then, because I don’t think I’d be thrilled to receive a long letter like this … and I wonder why he needed to mention that she is “strikingly good looking”. That’s weird and soooooo mid 20th century.
No, I guess he’s not just upset, he’s “outraged” – and we’re all supposed to get this. And we’d best not question his expressions of outrage – or even suggest that perhaps his message might get lost in the medium of his outrage.
Furthermore, if we don’t get it, then it’s our problem, not his, because he chooses his words very carefully and he gets a million page views a year. Right.
Wow! Better keep my thoughts to myself, then; I’m a heck of a long way from getting a million page views a year. Oh, well … I’m just a newbie lurker; but I’m a little confused: I’ve read through this epistle; I certainly get the outrage. And I get that he doesn’t think too highly of this journal and that he thinks that because this is a “science” journal, then when editors write editorials (which to the best of my limited knowledge are “opinion” pieces, not necessarily statements of “fact”) they’d better not write anything that he disagrees with because that’s “advocacy” and “science” journals should not do advocacy because he gets outraged – and outrage rules if you get a million page views a year.
I’m still not sure what all this global warming stuff is all about. But it must be my fault, because he chooses his words very carefully. Oh, well … maybe I’ll come back another day.
Hilary now removes her newbie lurker hat … and wonders if she needs to bring out the kid gloves!
Sorry, Willis, I can’t find my kid gloves, at the moment. So all I’ll say for now is that I have always found that a little distance goes a looooooooong way – particularly when I’m “outraged”.
P.S. From your responses to those women who have objected to your “… strikingly good looking … etc” paragraph, I was not left with the impression that you were “pay[ing] very close attention”. Sorry to say, the impression I was left with is that you were choosing to use their objections (and/or snippets thereof) as “hooks” for telling us more about you.
Dear Ms. Ostrov,
I almost went to bed, but when I saw that YOU commented on this particular thread (I have avoided it like the plague), I had to read what you wrote. I only read Mr. E.’s “letter” after it was linked in the Cook “Creepy” thread.
I thought the SAME THING (as you)! That’s the ONLY reason I’m writing here.
With Mr. E. (it only took about 3 threads of his to discover this — I’ve been reading nearly every thread of WUWT since the end of March this year), the following quote always comes to mind:
“The louder he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” Emerson
BY ANALOGY, while Mr. E. says, “it’s not about me,” it is. The letter was embarrassing.
I have come to realize that reading down Mr. E. thread’s comments far more disturbing or annoying than it is worth, even though he often puts out some excellent research. The personality gets in the way. And I HAVE noticed a definite, though subtle, sexist attitude. That is not something I would normally even mention — I ignore that kind of nonsense — but, I wanted to affirm your comment above. I’m sorry if he has been hurt by a woman (or two?) in the past. That kind of pain goes so deep. I hope he can get some resolution of that pain for his own peace and happiness. In the meantime, I’ll be avoiding his threads.
Well said, Ms. Ostrov (as usual!).
Your fan,
Janice
Hilary Ostrov (aka hro001) says:
August 6, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Hilary, thank you for your comments. I’m saddened that you have so completely missed my meaning and my intention.
Let me reprise my comment to Steven Mosher above: I wrote this to be over the top. I wanted it to be over the top. I wanted it to be long. I wanted it to be convoluted and go in circles. I wanted to talk about things that people say we shouldn’t talk about. You coming along and saying it is over the top shows that I have succeeded.
Why would I want to do that? Because I wanted my post to be cited and quoted all over the blogosphere, and I wanted the focus to be on what a jerk I was, and not on the scientific claims I was making and the scientific questions I was posing.
Janice, who posts as “your fan” just below you, says she wouldn’t have read the post, but she read that John Cook said I was a sexist … and here she is. And she wouldn’t have commented, but you did. And you wrote the longest comment I’ve ever seen you write. John Cook is so outraged that he links to my post in his tweet, driving traffic to the blog.
You don’t seem to understand that THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SET OUT TO DO! I wanted you and everyone else to be discussing Science magazine, and whether and why it’s wrong to say that men lie to good looking women. I wanted to bring the velvet censorship we call political correctness out into the open. Look, I even got Janice to read my post, and she hates my posts from the sound of it, and that’s precisely what I set out to do. I wanted to reach people that I normally couldn’t reach.
Because when Janice reads my post and gets all huffy about what a mean bad man I am, she has accepted my scientific questions and statements as part of the package. I don’t care that she mistakenly thinks I’m a jerk and a sexist in the bargain. I know I’m neither, so I can live with it. I’m interested in advancing the science, it’s not a popularity contest to me. I wanted to get my scientific ideas and questions circulated around the web. I’ve succeeded beyond my expectations.
Next, you say:
Hilary, I said I pay close attention when women object to what I say about women, and I do. I did not say that their responses and comments would all be correct and right and true and valid.
And I certainly didn’t say that I will take advice from every anonymous one-named female (who for all I know is a guy) who pops up on the internet to make unsupported untrue accusations.
I pay very close attention to what women say. Some of them, like Boumbette, just want to make vague mudslinging attacks … others, like you, write clearly and accurately and from the heart.
Look, I understand that you don’t like it when I said that men lie to good-looking women, including Dr. McNutt. That statement seems to disturb some women greatly. I get that. I’m sorry it’s that way, because it’s a simple fact of life, not a reason for upset.
But despite your upset, it’s still true. The fact that you don’t like it, and the fact that the wrath of the politically correct lightning strikes me for even mentioning it, doesn’t touch the facts. It’s still true.
Now, I advanced that as my theory about why Dr. McNutt is just mindlessly parroting nonsense about the climate. I think in part it’s because men are lying to her. They’re not telling her about their uncertainties about the science. They’re not telling her the things that were revealed in the emails of that ultimate “good old boys club”, the Climategate correspondents who were all men. In those emails, man to man, they talk about e.g. how they don’t believe Michael Mann. I doubt very much that they would tell Dr. McNutt that, or anything at all negative about the parlous state of climate science.
And I’m telling you as a man, in part that’s because she’s good looking.
You are giving me the woman’s point of view, which I appreciate. I’m trying to give you the man’s point of view. As a man I can assure you that strong good-looking well educated women intimidate men. And one of the ways we respond to that is to not tell such women the truth, to tell them simple stories, to not reveal our uncertainty about the things we’re claiming are true. In front of an impressive woman like that, we want to appear as strong and well educated and good-looking as they are, we don’t want to admit that we have doubts about our scientific claims and that we didn’t change our socks and that we think we might be in error about the climate.
It’s bad and wrong of us to do that, I know, but what can I say? First rule of life is, men are jerks, myself included …
Now, that’s my explanation for part of her blind acceptance and parroting of the claims she is making. I advanced that theory because as I said, it’s obviously not for lack of brains or education or strength, she has those in spades.
Is my claim true? Perhaps not.
Is my claim worthy of the abuse heaped on it?
Absolutely not. You and other women keep insisting that her looks have nothing to do with it, and that I’m a creepy sexist for mentioning her looks at all.
I assure you as a man that her looks may well have a lot to do with it, and that I’m a realist for mentioning her looks at all.
What, are we now all supposed to walk around pretending that in a world where both a man’s looks and even more so a woman’s looks are the subject of movies and novels and operas and countless tabloids, a world where a face can launch a thousand ships, a world where doors open for the aptly named “beautiful people”, a world where a woman can make millions of dollars a year with absolutely nothing more than physical beauty, a world where women and increasingly men spend billions of dollars on face creams and face lifts to preserve their good looks … we’re all supposed to pretend that somehow Dr. McNutt’s looks played absolutely no part in any of this?
Hilary, Dr. McNutt was kind enough to accompany the Editorial with a slightly out-of-focus, artfully posed picture, not of the subject of the Editorial as other Editors-In-Chief have done in the past, but of herself … and we’re supposed to think that’s by chance?
She’s put a lovely picture of her face up above the fold in the text about climate change … and I’m sexist for even mentioning the good looking face that she has made damn certain is the focal point of climate science discussion? Really?
Look, if you and others insist that her looks are not the issue and shouldn’t be even mentioned, you should write and tell her that, because obviously she thinks that a “model’s head-shot” type image of her face that makes her look ten years younger is the perfectly appropriate graphic to accompany a discussion of climate change …
I’m sorry, but I’m not that politically correct yet. And let me say that I’m not dissing her for putting her picture above the fold on the page about climate science. I have no problem with that at all. If I had her looks, I’d play them for all they were worth too, I’d be a fool not to, and she’s anything but a fool. Good looks open doors, and although once they are open you have to do the job, they help even there.
All I’m saying is that striking good looks are not just an advantage in the world. They also carry a variety of costs, ask any strikingly good-looking man or woman. It’s not all roses being beautiful and desirable, certainly didn’t do much for Marilyn … among other costs, people always assume that really good-looking people are dumb, which must be a constant struggle.
And one of the costs, as I said, is that men lie to good looking women, including Marilyn and Dr. McNutt, for a host of overlapping, inter-related personal and practical and social and sexual reasons, and that there is a cost in that for the person being lied to. In her case, I think the cost includes men not telling her the truth about climate science.
Don’t like my theory? Fine. But that doesn’t make it sexist.
And can we drop this bullshit that good looks don’t matter and should never be mentioned? Physical beauty matters immensely in almost every field of human activity, we have entire industries built around nothing but good looks, and pretending otherwise is childish nonsense. It is a valid topic for discussion.
w.
PC, political correctness is cultural marxism, designed to enslave your mind into thinking along certain ridiculous paths. It is & has been promoted by the Frankfurt School, & is part of the Marxist Saul Alinski’s plan as laid out in his book “Rules for Radicals”. Obarmy is a huge fan of Alinski.
Personally did not care much for the letter and at the end of the day my opinion is of little value but I will say ‘kudos’ for not playing the ‘PC’ game – I’m truly tired of that crap!
Willis, I don’t know whether anyone else has commented on this aspect. To me, Dr. McNutt is a pleasant cheery-looking women to be sure (with the brains and knowledge you state I’m sure) but I don’t see her in the league of good looks that you have placed her, and I doubt in a land where good looks are so highly prized that it is one of the major manufacturing industry segments that is still strong, that Dr. McNutt sees herself other than as I have described her. Heck she looks like many an outdoorsy field geologist that I have met and worked with and had a bottle of beer with in a field party in the middle of nowhere. To her credit, she hasn’t barbied herself up either. I think you have come to a discovery that men of age such as you and I have made, and that is that as compensation for growing old, good looking women seem to fill up the world around you (there aren’t many 30 year-olds that give a second look to that gorgeous fifty or sixty year old that just walked by).
Now, yes, men are jerks (you haven’t had any protests on this score from men or women so far) and can be surprisingly shallow on the subject of women. I raised three girls of my own, two nieces for a few years and three boys of my own and I can believe from this experience that men likely spent longer in the Neanderthal stage while women moved on to Cro-magnon a hundred thousand years before they did – perhaps many of we men are still trying to straighten our backs a bit more. Definitely the egg was in advance of the chicken.
And yes, political correctness is a blight that deserves to be harpooned regularly and deserves major articles on its own. But, from the cheap seats, I think you have presumed too much about Dr. McNutt. You in fact seem to have cast her as a dumb bimbo that needs protection.
Willis, you write beautifully on autobiographic topics, and compellingly on scientific ideas, but on rants like this, not so much. Hey, man, let it go and accept you missed the mark.
Willis, where is my BS button. By your own admission in your last responsive comment, I am assuming you are blowing smoke up our a**. I don’t for a minute think you thought a-priori you would get a backlash to the extent you have and so wrote on purpose to get one. Not for one minute. Me thinks you choke on humble pie and will avoid it at all costs. Ergo your response above to Hilary.
Men are not jerks. Only some are, and then not all the time. Women are not jerks. Only some are, and then not all the time. That makes being a jerk pretty easy to spot since most of the time it rises out of a fairly decent baseline nature. Come on. Have a slice of humble pie and admit that from time to time you are a jerk and this be one of them.
It should be easy for you to do so in my presence, since you are not I assume, intimidated by a short, stocky, freckle-faced, decidedly not photogenic, red-headed Irish woman pushing 60.
Pamela Gray says:
August 7, 2013 at 11:29 am
“It should be easy for you to do so in my presence, since you are not I assume, intimidated by a short, stocky, freckle-faced, decidedly not photogenic, red-headed Irish woman pushing 60.”
Gary Pearse says:
August 7, 2013 at 4:57 am
“I think you have come to a discovery that men of age such as you and I have made, and that is that as compensation for growing old, good looking women seem to fill up the world around you (there aren’t many 30 year-olds that give a second look to that gorgeous fifty or sixty year old that just walked by).”
Now this is what I was talkin’ about!