Robert Scheaffer reports from the meeting via email:
Mann just told TAM (The Amazing Meeting of the Skeptics Society) that there has been no pause in Global Warming, and says claims that there has been are just ‘Cherry Picking’.
Also he used Marcott et al. as proof that his Hockey Stick is valid.
Surely he must know that the authors themselves disavow that conclusion!! Like a creationist, he uses arguments he knows to be false, but the audience doesn’t.
He did not take any questions, however very few of the other speakers did either.
Hopefully we’ll have video to post here soon.
No word yet what Penn and Teller think.
UPDATE: here is a photo of James Randi and Mike Mann. Mike looks a bit starstruck.
This might make a good caption contest.
UPDATE2: I’m actually in Houston tonight, and dashed off this posting earlier on my way to a meeting, and in my haste neglected to mention that the report was from Robert Scheaffer, one of the speakers there and I added the links to WUWT articles. That oversight has since been fixed. The photo above is also his. -Anthony
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Penn&Teller Global Warming I think 2011
Nik,
I love that chart! It clearly shows that when a non-zero baseline chart is used, the long term rising temperature trend shows no acceleration, despite the 40% rise in CO2. A zero baseline chart, OTOH, falsely shows accelerating temperatures. Your trend chart corrects that misconception.
If 40% more CO2 cannot cause global warming to accelerate, then the whole CO2=CAGW conjecture is falsified. CO2 might cause some very minor warming, but any such warming is too small to measure at current concentrations. Therefore, the alarm over “carbon” is a proven false alarm.
Eliza says:
July 13, 2013 at 9:41 pm
“Even Rudd doesn’t believe in Mann anymore LOL”
Before her election Gillard said “There will be no Carbon Tax under the government I lead”; so obviously, KRudd just does what his party usually does before an election. So, the Aussies should be used to that. KRudd will have to denounce Global Warming 10 times harder than Abbott does before anyone would even listen to him. Meaning, We might see the biggest backlash for CO2AGW as a propaganda instrument ever in Australia. They might try to out-skeptic each other.
The Great Michael Mann Anomaly.
Talking of delusional? you should take a look at the BBCs Politics Show where Ed Davey has been given a bruising by Andrew O’Neil. O’Neil threw van Storch and Currys names at Davey and Davey was still going on about rising sea levels and disappearing ice caps and severe weather events and on a small part of the £112 extra on energy bills actually gets sent on wind farms etc should be on the BBC IPlayer Well worth a watch
Sorry should have also said the interview was about the pause in global warming quite something for the BBC to talk about!!!
Give a Mann a shovel and he’ll dig you an hole. His contempt for facts is simply astounding and yet again shows just how low climate science has sunk.
While Mann keeps on, so does Hansen. See:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmenvaud/uc60-i/uc6001.htm
May be something for a new thread?
How is Mann going to collect his $10,000 speaking fee or sell his book if he admits that the flat temperature trend is flat.
I guess they are just pointing now to the 0-2000 metre ocean warming at 0.002C (+/- 0.002C error margin) per year since Argo became available. In 100 years, it will have warmed 0.2C (which will be enough for nobody to notice any change at all).
“DirkH says:
July 14, 2013 at 3:32 am”
KRudd (Erless) 747 is on the wire here I reckon. He knows (We all do) the price on carbon (Carbon tax – CT) was not one of his policies, in which he was replaced with Gillard as a result. In part, the CT was a contributing factor in the downfall of Gillard (And the subsequent downturn in jobs, Ford 1200 and Holden 400 (GM) etc). However, with the value of the EU ETS carbon credits at a low price (Which has just gone up a fraction due to an EU Parliament decision), he’s taking political advantage by stating under *his* ETS everything will be cheaper but also save the world. YAY!!!! Rudd (Erless) saves the world. However, what most Aussies don’t know is the plan for the value of credits in the EU ETS to rise to over 40 Euros. It all seems to be happening far too hastily. If the value of EU ETS credits do rise to over 40 Euros *AND* the Aussie $$ drops to “normal” rates against the US$, we will likely see a “proice ohn cahbon” of about AU$70/tonne CO2, at the least!
When I look at those two, ‘randy man’ doesn’t come to mind.
Caption – Mann to Randi : I got the idea when I saw you massaging the neck of the spoon …
Eric Worrall says:
July 13, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Is he deliberately lying? Or is he delusional?
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I think its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. He is so thoroughly convinced that he is right that he applies a filter to allow only those ‘facts’ that support his belief.
Two famous makeup artists of fakery, Mann & Randi together on the same picture, Coo!
A lot of TAM skeptics have liberal blind spots as Gary says at 5:03 pm.
Bureaucrat: We’re from the government and we’re here to help you.
Skeptic: We’re saved!
Caption: “James, if you expose my hockey bending trick like you exposed Uri Geller’s spoon bending trick, I’m never, ever,ever, coming to one of your meetings again. So there!”
How long can he maintain the big lie?
If Paul Ehrlich is any guide, forever.
Funny how Randi loses his skepticism right when he needs it. Like Phil_dot, Carl Sagan & others.
Randi: “THAT’S a Nobel???
Is it just me? Every time I see that Mann-mug, I want to punch the crap out of it.
mrsean2k says:
“It’s interesting that the likes of, say, Penn Jillette who acknolwedges Randi as a major influence and who he respects enormously, has this in his Wikipedia entry”
Wikipedia is never the best source for anything climate related. In this instance the words “cherrypicked” and “out of context” come to mind for that quote. Here is the context, pay attention to what was left out.
Dunno about Creationism.
Tell me, please, readers who have experience with therapy: does Michael Mann need serious professional help?
Or is he sitting very nicely, thank you, with a deodorant (“Mann – no sweat!” maybe) in his name coming soon. And a pop single??? [Is that what they’re still called?]
And, perhaps, Dancing on Ice?
No, not /Sarc. at all, unhappily.
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Brian H says:
July 14, 2013 at 12:49 am
Cessation of the 1°F/century warming after the LIA would be most regrettable. Be careful what you wish for!
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My concern too.
Whilst warming has stalled [or perhaps reversed] we still need to feed seven [plus] billion – still rising. If the planet cools, the growing season will shorten – so less food.
UHIs tend to occur, I’ve noticed, where little food is grown.
In the UK [currently 28C or so in the south-east, 17-20C in Scotland] I’ve seen people wearing scarves and coats commuting into the City in early July. That’s 0730 local time, and that’s weather, sure, but it will show up in ‘climate’ soon.
I don’t like ‘hot’ [too old and too insulated about the middle(!) for that] – but that’s what we need, in small doses [say 0.2C/decade – figure plucked at random] – and then, like the biosphere – gently adjust to it.
As Brian H says “Be careful what you wish for!”
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Off topic but look at what we are up against in the UK, 20.25 in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b036p8ch/Sunday_Politics_South_East_14_07_2013/
beng: It’s not just you.
A good bit more ad hominem than I’m used to seeing on this site.
Unfortunate.