I’m traveling this weekend, posting will be light to nonexistent. Guest authors are welcome to post submissions.
Feel free to talk about anything withing the blog policy.
I’m traveling this weekend, posting will be light to nonexistent. Guest authors are welcome to post submissions.
Feel free to talk about anything withing the blog policy.
Mac the Knife says:
July 12, 2013 at 6:25 pm
From the “It’s Worse Than We Thought” file:
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ERRRrrrr, Don’t they have that wrong? Isn’t it the bat-chomping, bird-slicing eco crucifixes that are reducing Mosquito-Eating Predators?
cynical_scientist says:
July 12, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Thanks Nick. Confirms some of the conclusions I had drawn….
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It certainly puts a question mark up there. I would certainly like to hear what Salby has to say about the whole mess before we hang him.
I have lost any faith I had in the Rule of Law in the USA. There are just too many instances I know of where WHO you are or rather WHO you know has a heck of a lot more to do with ‘Justice’ than the facts do.
cynical_scientist says:
“Is Salby going to retain his support among skeptics in the face of these revelations?”
If what is being alleged about Salby is true, then he is toast.
But Macquarie has already admitted mis-handling the issue of the plane ticket. Let’s see how they explain the other accusations first. The truth will come out. On both sides.
What I would really like is for Dr. Salby to be given the opportunity to cross-examine his accusers.
Wouldn’t it have been nice if Mann and Jones’ accusers had been given the same opportunity? Instead, Mann and Jones were whitewashed. That is the difference that irks me: if you drink the Kool Aid, you are given a free pass no matter what.
Gail Combs,
Did you get your pick-up unstuck? Pull it out with horse power? (smile) Hope all ended happily.
Thanks for all the great, as usual, research above.
Janice
“cynical_scientist says (at 7:31PM today): ‘Is Salby going to retain his support among skeptics in the face of these
revelationsassertions ?'”My response to your corrected question is: Yes!
You reveal your bias by calling them “revelations,” implying that Mockery U.’s statements reveal truth. In your apparent eagerness to discredit Dr. Salby, perhaps you misspoke.
The assertions come from: 1) a hostile witness; and 2) a potential defendant in a civil, if not a criminal, action in which Dr. Salby would be the plaintiff. They have as little probative value as the effect of human CO2 on Earth’s climate.
Crackpot ideas on arctic ice
At another site* in a galaxy far,far away there was a flurry of comments about the ice cracking up at the start of the summer melting season. The cracks had never been seen before and were getting bigger and more extensive every day as the much anticipated catastrophic ice melt [ice free arctic] was due to happen this year. Arctic cyclones were breaking up the cracked ice and leading to melt ponds everywhere, even at the pole itself.
A survey on the minimum ice extent had the usual couple of no ice ratbags but even so the average prediction was similar to last year or lower.
Then a funny thing happened on the way to the forum
The ice season had a “slow start” to the ice season. The ice kept cracking for 4 weeks but the ice refused to melt.
[ What the heck does a slow start mean?]
All the conditions had been perfect for this record melt year.
Slowly cracks began to develop in the cracked ice theory. Instead of leading to more ice melt the cracks were allowing cold water through [fancy that] to cause more ice to develop and making the ice stronger and thicker.
I would have thought, simplistically, that if there was more ice forming then there must be more cold about ie colder water underneath. Were has it come from ?
The heat has gone down into the deep sea meaning the cold has come to the surface and is causing more ice.
Global warming is therefore indisputably occurring and is going to lead to the world freezing over as the heat disappears into the depths. [Sarc]
Eugene WR Gallun says:
July 12, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Most enjoyable post.
“Professor Salby’s employment was not terminated in any way related to his views on climate science, but rather due to misconduct in two areas. The first was his repeated refusal to teach, over a sustained period of time, in contravention of his contract of employment.”
This is not news. Macquarie needs to provide a fuller explanation of what Salby was assigned to do.
Salby said that they reduced him to a teaching assistant. A teaching assistant does not occupy a teaching position, does not teach, and cannot be confused with a teacher. Why will they not address Salby’s claim? If they gave him the duties of a teaching assistant then they have done irreparable damage to the department’s reputation. In such a case, the department would need to be placed in receivership.
I have no conclusion about this affair. But Macquarie’s press releases on the matter have done them no good at all. Very unprofessional. Seasoned professionals would have grabbed the bull by the horns long ago and given the world some small, crystal clear bit of information about Salby’s misbehavior that is independently verifiable and verified. With such information, none of us would be looking forward to Salby’s next post.
davidmhoffer says: July 12, 2013 at 7:04 pm
” I suspect this story has plenty of twists and turns left in it,”
Sure does. John Mashey has an tangled story, including some unexpected characters. Lots of docs linked.
jai mitchell says:July 12, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Even though the difference in temperature of the deep ocean warming is very low, the difference in energy gain is much greater due to the parameter of heat capacity. Basically meaning that the ability to absorb heat is much lower per degree temperature rise. The difference between water and air is that water is about 1000 times better at absorbing heat. That is why 90 percent of warming is going into the oceans.
Um, Water is 1000 times better at absorbing heat than air ? shouldn’t you mean that 99.9% of the warming should be going into the oceans as opposed to the air?
[caveat you have not made any comment re land,water and air this applies purely to your air/water comparisons and assumes the energy actually reaches the water] as stated The fact that there is a lot more water mass than air mass in the world means the water should accept even more than 99.9% of any developing heat on your comments
eg
David M Hoffer 1400 times more mass 99.9994%
JaI 269 times more mass 99.94$
whoops JaI 269 times more mass 99.94%
Everything factual in that statement is true. Vice Chancellors of large Universities don’t lie in written public statements. I don’t know what planet you are living on where you would believe otherwise. His statement might not tell us everything and indeed it almost certainly does not. But it contains no falsehoods. I trust it a lot more than I trust what Salby, a man who has a dishonest history, says in an email to sceptical blogs. Do you know the circumstances surrounding Salby’s resignation from his tenured position in Colorado? If you don’t know I suggest you find out as it has implications for his credibility.
It was a revelation to me that he had bought the plane ticket from an unapproved agency using his credit card. I had suspected as much because Salby’s story didn’t make sense otherwise. But that was conjecture. Now I know.
It was a revelation to me that his employment agreement explictly mentioned a duty to teach. Salby claimed that it did not. That is a direct contradiction. So who do we believe on this matter? Has the Vice Chancellor lied in written public statement right in front of the world and all? You would rather trust what Salby said on an email to some blogs?
Believe what you want. I at least am not prepared to fight for Salby.
September or October for the U.S. stock market crash to begin?
Nick Stokes says:
July 12, 2013 at 8:35 pm
davidmhoffer says: July 12, 2013 at 7:04 pm
” I suspect this story has plenty of twists and turns left in it,”
Sure does. John Mashey has an tangled story, including some unexpected characters. Lots of docs linked.
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Well if those accusations hold up to scrutiny, then they will hurt Salby. However, the author is clearly biased against the skeptic position, and loses credibility nearly instantly by quoting Skeptical Science early in the article in a clear attempt to discredit Salby. Not to mention that the article appears on a blatantly warmist site. Interesting that his conflict at Colorado-Boulder seemed to center around Peter Webster, not exactly an even handed scientist on AGW.
If the accusations are true that he was double dipping on grant money, then he should be held accountable. The IRS and NSF should obviously get right on that as soon as they are done with running down the billions that have disappeared with the likes of Solyndra.
davidmhoffer says: July 12, 2013 at 9:00 pm
“The IRS and NSF should obviously get right on that… “
Well, the NSF has; in fact, they say “the case is closed.”. Part of their report, which follows an O-i-G investigation:
“We conclude that the Subject’s deception was part of a long-standing pattern. We conclude that the Subject intentionally provided deceptive information to the NSF program officer about his affiliations with Company 1, and false and deceptive information to NSF OIG about Company 1 and Company
Finding 5. The Subject provided deceptive or misleading statements to the University on his conflicts of interest forms and financial disclosure forms, and provided false and deceptive information to the University during the investigation about his additional external remuneration and potential conflicts of interests.”
Quite amazed that NATURE is allowing unbrindled criticism of AGW the whole cabooble:
http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-forecast-for-2018-is-cloudy-with-record-heat-1.13344
Just look at those comments! Maybe there now backing off completely?
@Gail Combs –
What irony – that the FEAR of climate change, not the fact, should be what’s killing all those mosquito-eating birds (by those landscape-despoiling, habitat-destroying, visually and chemically polluting monstrosities called “wind turbines”).
Can we as members of the public sue the EPA for killing endangered species? Oh, but to wish it were so.
@Janice Moore – I agree, cynical_scientist is an obvious warmist taking ad hominem cheap shots at Murry Salby, as per standard warmist concepts of “discourse.”. Let’s hope Dr Salby can give his tormentors some swift kicks to their pancreases, thymus glands and pineal bodies.
@Gail Combs –
Where can I sign the petition to bring Himmler – uh, Holder – to justice?
Thanks, Chad.
Gail Combs says:
July 12, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Mac the Knife says:
July 12, 2013 at 6:25 pm
From the “It’s Worse Than We Thought” file:
Climate Change Has Resulted In More Predation On Mosquito-Eating Birds
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 286 people were killed in the US in 2012 by West Nile virus, which is carried by mosquitoes. Many bird species eat these mosquitoes and other insects that can be agricultural pests. Rising temperatures are threatening these wild birds, including the Missouri-native Acadian flycatcher, by making snakes more active and hungrier.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112895990/snakes-are-devouring-more-mosquito-eating-birds-071213/
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ERRRrrrr, Don’t they have that wrong? Isn’t it the bat-chomping, bird-slicing eco crucifixes that are reducing Mosquito-Eating Preda
Another more proximate cause for the death of insectivorous birds could be the catching and eating of insects full of long acting insecticides.
Many of these insecticides are fat soluble and are stored in the bird’s fat mass to be used when food is less available or when the bird is stressed.
Consequently the bird gets a dose of insecticide when it goes into a negative energy state and metabolizes the stored fat with the insecticide dissolved.
In Australia the Tawny Frogmouth is highly subject to paralysis of the wings and musculature in winter when the insects dry up, and is subject to predation.
BTW,newer generations of insecticides, such as imidacloprid have been hypothesized to be part of the cause of ‘colony collapse’ in the European honey bee.
An Open Thread. Must be time for an E-Cat update. There’s good stuff going on on. All this comes from E-Cat World, which seems to be the best aggregator.
One reminder about something I think I posted in the last round, but is worth a repost:
The long awaited third party report on the E-Cat is out and is at http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913 Anthony is concerned that some of the reviewers were too close to previous activities, so the ban on E-Cat posts is still on.
Rossi has a partner who can handle the roll out of lots and lots of the reactor cores or boilers or something. It’s big enough that Rossi has lost his controlling interest in the E-Cat. I consider this a Good Thing, it takes a GE or Siemens to get this up to speed if that’s who the partner is. Someone suggested Dean Kamen, the inventor of the home kidney dialysis machine, Segway, and a lot of other stuff. That’s a very interesting possibility and is a good fit in many ways. It’s also pure speculation and probably wrong. Another suggestion is that it’s Elon Musk’s Tesla Corp and SpaceX. I think he’s too busy.
On July 8th the partner company made an E-Cat module and their CEO made the “charge” (nickel powder, catalyst, hydrogen) from Rossi’s directions, and the resulting device worked like Rossi’s. That the CEO was involved suggests the partner company is smaller than GE or Siemens.
A non-Rossi event of note is an international patent application from Finland that was published on May 30 at http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WO&NR=2013076378A2&KC=A2&FT=D&ND=3&date=20130530&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP . It seems to describe a system similar to Rossi’s and has details about the catalyst and other components. The inventor, Pekka Soininen, may not have a working device, but the patent is interesting.
All in all, things are moving along. It looks like it will be a while before production begins.
Actually I’m a climate sceptic. I also tend to be quite sceptical about other things. Occupational hazard. Salby’s story never sounded right to me from the start. I know how universities work. I know how people get sacked at one and the process which has to be gone through. There seemed to be a lot missing from his story and bits of it just didn’t hang together.
Salby appealed for our support as skeptics concerning the circumstances of his dismissal. By doing so he invites us to judge those circumstances and find him worthy of support. There is still much we don’t know, but it now seems clear to me that there is another side to this story. This isn’t a simple case of “sceptic gets sacked”. Hence Salby doesn’t get my support.
By the way, I do appreciate the joke of accusing me of indulging in ad hominems right in the middle of your ad hominem. You did mean for that to be a joke – right?
Nick Stokes says:
July 12, 2013 at 9:20 pm
davidmhoffer says: July 12, 2013 at 9:00 pm
“The IRS and NSF should obviously get right on that… “
Well, the NSF has; in fact, they say “the case is closed.”.
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C’mon Nick. You’re either quoting me out of context deliberately or you simply missed my point.
They should get right on that…. after they finish investigating the billions that Solyndra and others burned through in a matter of months and where all that money went. What? They’re not investigating that? Or the wrong doing in the climategate emails? Shall I go on?
burgess says:
July 12, 2013 at 4:39 pm
More ocean heat = more sharknados.
It’s worse than we thought.
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You forgot ……….. Oh Noes!!!!!!!
Amateur. Up your game.
Cow’s milk …. they almost made it to the end, but then just couldn’t stop themselves …..
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/07/12/hot-cows-higher-milk-prices-global-warming/