I’m traveling this weekend, posting will be light to nonexistent. Guest authors are welcome to post submissions.
Feel free to talk about anything withing the blog policy.
I’m traveling this weekend, posting will be light to nonexistent. Guest authors are welcome to post submissions.
Feel free to talk about anything withing the blog policy.
cynical_scientist says:
July 12, 2013 at 8:52 pm
“Everything factual in that statement is true. Vice Chancellors of large Universities don’t lie in written public statements.”
And presidents of the US are natural born citizens.
It’s interesting. When you get a lot of Flak you’re over the target. Salby has found something that really REALLY irks them.
rogerknights says:
July 13, 2013 at 8:46 am
Ric Werme says:
>>Too much speculation, but it’s more fun than Salby v. Macquarie.
> Here’s a speculation I just had: Wouldn’t it be wild if the E Cat made steam-driven cars practical?! They have great acceleration, FWIW. Take that, Tesla!
I’m not sure about cars, but certainly long haul trucking would be completely changed. Put in a Google auto pilot and they could drive themselves across the country non-stop! Steam trains could make a comeback: all the romance, none of the cinders. The Cog Railway on Mount Washington replaced some of their coal burning locomotives with diesels. Just not the same, though everyone is glad the plume of smoke is gone.
The facilities folks in Antarctica would be ecstatic with just the “domestic” hot water E-cats, hot cats for power generation would leave their fuel oil requirements a small fraction of what they have to plan for now.
Here’s an actual working Land Rover with a steam engine.
TomR,Worc,MA,USA says:
July 13, 2013 at 9:27 am
Tom, I enjoyed your term “throne sniffers” immensely.
That was a new one on me. Hopefully, you will not sue me if I use it from now on….
DirkH says:
July 13, 2013 at 10:18 am
“Salby has found something that really REALLY irks them.”
He’s destroyed their entire raison d’etre. If humans have little to no influence over atmospheric CO2 levels (and we don’t), the entire brouhaha is moot.
It was a stupid assumption from the get-go. The idea that such a system, so loosely regulated that we could have a significant impact on it, would nevertheless display such remarkable stability over millennia was absurd on its very face, and indicative of a mindset which has very little familiarity with real-world dynamics of systems.
vukcevic says:
July 12, 2013 at 11:53 am
In the UK we are having real great summer weather, it reminds me of the 1976’s summer, but note of caution, those temperatures were not seen since
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET-D.htm
Two hot days and a thunderstorm. I can hear rumblings in the distance and it’s turning black!
Andres Valencia:
Sorry if I typed that wrong; it is NOT my hypothesis. Marcel Leroux is (as far as I know) the first to propose this possibility. I simply saw that Occam’s Razor applied to it, and think that this is a better hypothesis that the current ‘Northern Hemisphere CFC’s travel to the South Pole, to assassinate ozone molecules’ (and don’t do any damage enroute).
I would take credit for what I come up with, but Dr. Leroux proposed it first.
Regards,
Mark H.
Please check out this load of misinformation. Ignorant people can influence ignorant others. It is really sad!
http://qz.com/103669/climate-change-is-a-bigger-threat-to-the-tour-de-france-than-doping/
Girma says:
July 12, 2013 at 11:11 am
This is one of the first excellent articles that I read on climate, after the publication of the hockey stick scare, and have recovered it from a pdf format so that others can read it in a much more readable format.
Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead
Chiefio has an interesting post explaining another mechanism how the sun may be influencing the warming of the oceans.
Even if sun’s output as a whole might not change so much, variations in the bandwidth of the solar output may influence the energy different depth levels may receive:
http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/images/instruments/sim/fig01.gif
http://www.klimaatfraude.info/images/sverdrup.gif
Here his post:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/why-land-air-temperature-is-exactly-wrong/
http://drtimball.com/2013/what-happened-to-the-220000-leaked-climatic-research-unit-cru-emails/
Jimbo says:
July 12, 2013 at 12:21 pm
If you live in the EU then you may soon find your food habits being regulated in the name of carbon dioxide. Extra carbon taxes on beef? Don’t say you haven’t been warned.
Well, the romanian dictator at the time was treating the people as being too fat and needing a diet.
Not a good precedent for the case, but as Europe is becoming more and more the opposite of a tax heaven… btw, how does one name it, the opposite of tax heaven? Tax hell?
Ok keeping this in mind I would not wonder the europeans get tax on healthy, good food like meat, just based on the imaginary numbers of some dubious study. financed by WWF.
I also remember having read on a blog somebody questioning what the influence of vegan food may have to human’s mind and behaviour.
He was stating that from his own experience the vegans that he knew were not happy persons and he was explaining this as they may not feel happy or satisfied after eating, as it is not easy to eat balanced with only vegan food and this may have influence on their psyche.
Considering many environmentalists are vegans there may be a connection here, I wonder, but the number of vegans I know is 1 and he seems to be ok.
Steve Case says:
July 12, 2013 at 2:29 pm
The Colorado University Sea Level Research Group apparently uses 64 tide gauges to calibrate their satellite data. Does anyone know which 64 tide gauge stations these are?
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Steve, My understanding is that the CU Topex/Poseidon derived sea level data are not calibrated against tidal gauges. Instead the satellite position is computed using the DORIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DORIS_(geodesy)) network of (50 or 60) fixed transmitters which is sort of, for lack of a better description, a “backwards GPS” with the reference transmitters at fixed locations and the receivers — whose position is to be determined — in orbit. IIRC, An precision of a few cm is claimed with the critical “altitude” component known to about a cm. None of that is prima facia impossible, but personally, I don’t find myself entirely convinced that the folks at CU are making realistic assessments of their error bounds.
I’m going from memory here. I could be wrong.
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Thank you for that.
But I’m not sure Obama and others really believe. I think they are just using it to implement their personal vision of Utopia … whether the rest of us want to be a part of it or not.
“The end justifies the means” indeed.
PS Thanks again, Mr. FOIA.
Thanks. I read the article and the thread halfway through the comments, which were unusually civilized for exchanges on this topic. I agree the copper byproduct looks suspicious. And so do some other things. But what Rossi’s got going can’t be knocked down that easily yet. I keep hoping that we’ll have closure within a year. The latest developments look promising. But he’s managed to string this drama out long beyond the point where I thought the matter would be settled. So I just repeat, “Wait till next year!”
One way to reduce the opportunities for trickery would be to use a large battery or battery pack as the source of input power, because its charge could be measured at the start and end of the process.
cynical_scientist says:
July 12, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Actually I’m a climate sceptic.
My bs meter beeped.
I don’t know, it seems to me that this sentence is usually the introduction of a warmista rant who wants to pass as skeptic.
Btw, what does it mean “climate skeptic”? I personally am not a “climate skeptic”. I know there is a climate and it changes, actually relative often…
Lars P. says:
July 13, 2013 at 12:06 pm
“Jimbo says:
July 12, 2013 at 12:21 pm
If you live in the EU then you may soon find your food habits being regulated in the name of carbon dioxide. Extra carbon taxes on beef? Don’t say you haven’t been warned.
Well, the romanian dictator at the time was treating the people as being too fat and needing a diet.
Not a good precedent for the case, but as Europe is becoming more and more the opposite of a tax heaven… btw, how does one name it, the opposite of tax heaven? Tax hell?”
Actually Ceaucescu is the perfect precedent. His wife was a chemist and had the state operate a chain of shops where people could get free cookies made from interesting stuff that one doesn’t find normally in food; I think algae amongst it; it was called “Program for the scientific nourishment of the population”.
Similarly, the EU plan will probably serve to have giant food corporations create cheap faux food from industrial waste and get a sustainability subsidy for it or something. Notice that they explicitly mention collaboration with Barilla who seems to be all gung ho about the idea.
jai mitchell says:
July 12, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Of course, on the flip side of that, in the presence of increased warming, the oceans take a much longer time to warm (generally considered to be one full cycle of the thermohaline current or about 500 years) to reach thermal equilibriuium.
Before you start accepting so readily the idea of warming the oceans through CO2 you need to think a little at the mechanism how this can work.
Here some facts known about the oceans and heat/energy transfer:
The sun is warming the oceans directly in the levels from the surface down to 100 m (this is how deep solar radiation penetrates the oceans)
http://www.klimaatfraude.info/images/sverdrup.gif
The DLR – including all CO2 radiation does not penetrate the oceans more then several microns. If I correctly remember 80% stops at the first 6-7 microns.
The oceans have a cool skin – several tens of centimetres – which has an inverse temperature gradient – cooler above and warmer below.
This means that with all the mixing net heat transfer does not happen from the surface layer to the below layer.
Net heat transfer happens only from warm to cold.
So how could DLR warm the ocean? It could do this only through warming the surface and thus lowering the gradient which would let less heat escape from the oceans.
Got that? It needs to warm the surface.
The energy cycle is always sun -> ocean ->atmosphere -> space.
However there is no observed surface warming – which agrees also with ARGO data.
So how should heat from DLR bypass the surface, bypass the ARGO measured area to hide in the depth to come out later and haunt our grandchildren?
DirkH says: July 13, 2013 at 2:08 pm “Actually Ceaucescu is the perfect precedent. His wife was a chemist and had the state operate a chain of shops where people could get free cookies made from interesting stuff that one doesn’t find normally in food; I think algae amongst it; it was called “Program for the scientific nourishment of the population”.
Hmmpf, “Soylent Green is people!” I wonder, are they GMO’ed? As for not normally found in food, the Chinese are following the technology closely. The solution to pollution is dilution – in people.
jai mitchell says at July 12, 2013 at 2:30 pm
OK. For the sake of argument, you are 100% right. Now, why didn’t that apply in the 1990s?
And, if the deep ocean can hold such energy, how much did it release in the 1990s? In other words, how uncatastrophic is Global Warming?
Emphasising uncertainty does not increase fear and so does not justify the precautionary principle.
Therefore it does not justify making policies on the assumption that cAGW is a fact.
Doug Huffman says:
July 13, 2013 at 2:38 pm
“Hmmpf, “Soylent Green is people!” I wonder, are they GMO’ed? As for not normally found in food, the Chinese are following the technology closely. The solution to pollution is dilution – in people.”
GM food is taboo in the EU. But maybe they’ll try to sneak it in via their sustainable eating program. I don’t have objections about GM food – American obesity is caused by simple old carbohydrates, not GM food (IMHO) – but of course unelected communitarian Eurocrats are the last persons I would trust with my interests of any kind.
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DirkH says:
July 13, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Similarly, the EU plan will probably serve to have giant food corporations create cheap faux food from industrial waste and get a sustainability subsidy for it or something. Notice that they explicitly mention collaboration with Barilla who seems to be all gung ho about the idea.
Dirk, this gives me a goose skin already.
“Our aim was to put the sustainable diets debate on the EU’s policy agenda”
One should get now politicians to tell one what to eat? This does not look sustainable to me.
“show what healthy low -carbon diets could look like in the project’s pilot countries: Spain, France and Sweden. ”
low carbon diets rofl the nonsense gets denser, as Jo said, carbon demonized by climate propaganda:
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/04/carbon-demonized-by-climate-propaganda/
“Worse, 37% of people are so convinced carbon is pollution that they think it would be a worthwhile aim to reduce the carbon content of their body. (The ultimate diet, you might say).”!
Well I need to better take care and avoid like hell buying any food with the bear on it.
“they’ll have to take responsibility for their choices too– something that may come as a shock to the average post -modern consumer.”
Interesting reading.
Lars P. says:
July 13, 2013 at 3:08 pm
“Dirk, this gives me a goose skin already.”
It’s funny isn’t it? Imagine – it’s useless, it will be a liitle bit complicated to propagandize their goals, and if there’s one thing that Europeans have in common is it’s they love their traditional food and quite often the traditional food of neighbouring countries. How will the stupid, stupid PolSci’s of the Eurocracy pull that one off? Especially as there are absolutely no other problems ATM (/sarc).
“Worse, 37% of people are so convinced carbon is pollution that they think it would be a worthwhile aim to reduce the carbon content of their body. (The ultimate diet, you might say).”!
That’s a great start! Maybe start a website and sell useless tasteless carbon-free gunk to the gullible. I’m Darwinist enough to think that natural selection will weed out the less adaptable – meaning, in the case of humans, the stupid ones. I hear the Vegans are already working on this problem.
Here’s a thread that says the house of cards is wobbling right now:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-13/10-reasons-why-sharknado-coming-global-economy
Lars P. says:
July 13, 2013 at 3:08 pm
“Well I need to better take care and avoid like hell buying any food with the bear on it.”
I had some mackerel cans with the Panda on them, they were fine; it just means the company shoved some money over to the WWF. Normal Greenmail operation. I would have preferred not to finance these people but at that time that was the only Mackerel in my supermarket.