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charles nelson
July 12, 2013 10:46 pm

Cynical Scientists says…
“Actually I’m a climate sceptic. I also tend to be quite sceptical about other things. Occupational hazard. Salby’s story never sounded right to me from the start. I know how universities work.”
Dear C.S.
You know how universities work right?
In this case it would appear that MU in Australia employed and, according to their own Vice Chancellor, supported Murray Salby to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars and were prepared to match project funding to the tune of a million or more dollars?
OK, so what you’re saying…because you know how universities work, is that MU took Salby on without references (which would have declared that he was under investigation) or even an informal phone call to Boulder Colorado where word of Salby’s travails would have been common knowledge?
You see maybe I don’t know as much about how universities work as you do but I can tell you this for certain sure…if you poke deep enough into anyone’s business you will eventually find something to discredit them.
I also recognise the kind of comprehensive, officially resourced and well co-ordinated program of character assassination desmog blog is now engaging in, is only reserved for those who prove to be a major threat to the establishment.
“Mike’s Nature trick”, Phil Jones’ and Kevin Trenberth’s “lack of warming” and a whole confectioners shop worth of ‘climate fudge’ isn’t enough to get anyone a smack on the wrist these days…Academic fraud and deception on a grand scale is acceptable but deception over ‘expenses’ well wow!
Murray Salby must be hung drawn and quartered.

Lewis P Buckingham
July 12, 2013 11:12 pm

philincalifornia says:
July 12, 2013 at 10:41 pm
A piece of quality unstoppabull.
Note the journalist put a hereford on the picture post, which is a beef not a dairy cow,but then why let the facts get in the way of a good story.

rogerknights
July 13, 2013 1:09 am

@Ric Werme: Thanks for the update on Rossi’s E Cat gadget. That his partner was able to manufacture one from his directions (and it works!) is a major step towards validation. That a Finnish inventor has come up with something similar (or identical) also looks good. What a laugh it would be if his gizmo makes the whole global warming debate moot! And, on top of that, if its underlying physics remains mysterious even after a billion of them have been installed worldwide!
A honking black swan. (Completely off the radar of, and/or denied by, the mainstream.) I like it!
Re Salby: Well, he’s written a top textbook, at least. And maybe those four blockbuster papers in preparation will amount to something.

taxed
July 13, 2013 1:19 am

@Gail Combs.
Yes it looks like the eastern side of the USA is getting the sort of summer the UK had last year. What seems to have happened is the fuel for this wet weather has been coming up from the warm waters around Cuba.This helps in part to explain the quiet start to the hurricane season. While the warm waters around Cuba have been feeding the eastern side of USA with a wet summer. They have not been able to feed the hurricanes that can form off the SE coast of the USA. .

Peter Plail
July 13, 2013 1:38 am

With regard to Murry Salby, you have to ask yourself why McQ U would employ him without considering why he left his post in the US. One must assume that the claims made against him leading to his dismissal were public knowledge. If this is the case I am surprised that McQ U would be so keen to offer him substantial funds unless he had convinced them that the charges against him were unfounded.
Does it really come down to how fastidious Salby was in filling in his time sheets? I suspect that many people in similar circumstances fill in time sheets sometime later than when they did the work (having worked in a time sheet environment in the defence industry I know mine only approximated to the facts as there was always management pressure to book time to clients rather than some internal cost centre).
We all got by because everyone knew how to play the game and nobody wanted to question it.
But imagine if you wanted to blacken someone’s name – investigate their time sheets. It doesn’t matter if everyone else is also “playing the game” since they are not the subject of the investigation
I apologise to all those people who are scrupulously accurate in recording their times, but my experience showed that nearly everybody was more interested in doing the actual work rather than accounting for their time down to the nearest 15 mins. Who enjoys form filling? And from what I read on this blog I suspect that academe is no more altruistic than the commercial world.

rogerknights
July 13, 2013 1:45 am

Here’s a comment posted by the administrator on the E-Cat World site on July 10. (Note the off-grid implications.):

Andrea Rossi is reporting that the first E-Cat that the USA Partner has produced is going to be employed in providing heat to the partner’s factory — and when they have perfected electricity production, they will do the same for electrical power. I find this to be an entirely logical approach.

Dudley Dobinson
July 13, 2013 2:24 am

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
For nearly a week of the current heatwave in the UK wind has contributed nearly zero energy. pleas see above link

Gail Combs
July 13, 2013 2:38 am

Seems the Boston Globe is for sale and no one is really interested in buying.

With bids reportedly at a disappointing $65 million to $80 million, The Boston Globe’s impending sale is shaping up as more of a real estate deal than a newspaper buy…. even as one of the four purported finalists told the Herald they’ve lost interest in the broadsheet.
“The implication is kind of obvious that the Globe as a straight business venture is not very highly valued …. — at least the majority of it, maybe more — is valued land and the building,”
…. the Globe’s Morrissey Boulevard land could fetch at least $75 million on the commercial property market…..
http://bostonherald.com/business/media_marketing/2013/07/bids_in_for_globe_and_they_re_low

So it looks like the bidding just for the building and land and not the business itself…. the New York Times Co. is the current owner.

Gail Combs
July 13, 2013 3:00 am

Chad Wozniak says:
July 12, 2013 at 9:32 pm
@Gail Combs –
Where can I sign the petition to bring Himmler – uh, Holder – to justice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Search engines are your friend.

Warren in New Zealand
July 13, 2013 3:05 am

http://www.azcentral.com/business/consumer/free/20130712aps-seeks-higher-bills-new-solar-customers.html
Arizona Power Supply to charge solar panel users extra $100 per month
“Customers get credit for each kilowatt-hour of electricity they send to the power grid. Those credits are subtracted from the energy they use during the month at night, on cloudy days or when the panels were not making enough electricity. Customers with a large enough solar array can offset all of their electricity use and see bills as low as $22 a month, reflecting just a few basic fees.
But APS officials said the 18,000 solar customers are getting too much credit for the power they send to the grid. Such power helps APS avoid the expense of power-plant fuel, but the utility still must cover the cost of new transmission lines, grid repairs and other expenses that solar customers don’t contribute to because they pay reduced bills.
The company, which gets about 200 applications for solar a week, wants to address the issue before there are 50,000 or more solar customers on its system in 2016, the next time the utility is allowed to raise rates, officials said.
APS has proposed two alternatives for charging solar customers more to cover expenses. The impact on customers would vary depending on how much electricity they use, the season and how much power their solar panels generate, but generally, the monthly bills most new solar customers pay would climb anywhere from $50 to more than $100.

charles nelson
July 13, 2013 3:25 am

Cynical Scientists says…
“Actually I’m a climate sceptic. I also tend to be quite sceptical about other things. Occupational hazard. Salby’s story never sounded right to me from the start. I know how universities work.”
Dear C.S.
You know how universities work right?
In this case it would appear that MU in Australia employed and, according to their own Vice Chancellor, supported Murray Salby to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars and were prepared to match project funding to the tune of a million or more dollars?
OK, so what you’re saying…because you know how universities work, is that MU took Salby on without references (which would have declared that he was under investigation) or even an informal phone call to Boulder Colorado where word of Salby’s travails would have been common knowledge?
You see maybe I don’t know as much about how universities work as you do but I can tell you this for certain sure…if you poke deep enough into anyone’s business you will eventually find something to discredit them.
I also recognise the kind of comprehensive, officially resourced and well co-ordinated program of character assassination desmog blog is now engaging in, is only reserved for those who prove to be a major threat to the establishment.
“Mike’s Nature trick”, Phil Jones’ and Kevin Trenberth’s “lack of warming” and a whole confectioners shop worth of ‘climate fudge’ isn’t enough to get anyone a smack on the wrist these days…Academic dodgyness and deception on a grand scale is acceptable but deception over ‘expenses’ well wow!
Murray Salby must be hung drawn and quartered.

Eliza
July 13, 2013 3:33 am

Looks like Aljazerra will be showing Lindzen Head to Head 12 GMT saturaday. Quite a change!

Gail Combs
July 13, 2013 3:37 am

philincalifornia says:
July 12, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Cow’s milk …. they almost made it to the end, but then just couldn’t stop themselves …..
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/07/12/hot-cows-higher-milk-prices-global-warming/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

….With temperatures in the Midwest expected to remain in the 80s and 90s through the next couple of weeks, we could be looking at a lot of cows who are too hot to produce as much milk as usual.

Oh for pity’s sake, they are really stretch on this one.
North Carolina had a lot of dairy operations (until the USDA shut them down) and our summer temperatures are in the 80’s to over 100F. For example:
May 2004 (17 days >90F)
6 days – 91F
6 days – 93F
2 days – 95F
1 days – 96F
2 days – 98F
So far this year we have had 2 days at 90F and one at 95F (compared to 36>90f for May, June, & July 2004)
My Northern bred horses don’t break a sweat until the temperature is ~100F and that is only the heavily muscled drafts. Compared to beef cattle, dairy cows are lightly muscled and Texas is famous for its beef cattle herds that are often Cow/Calf operations. You don’t here of the calves starving because of Mama’s milk drying up now do you?
However we now have the Food Safety Modernization Act reams of red tape and Animal ID hitting farmers so those WILL cause prices to go up. Sure sounds like a cover-up for government costs. It reminds me of the Groniad claiming it was ‘Global Warming’ causing India’s farmer suicide when it was the WTO and GMO seed (cost of seed + herbicide + fertilizer and not getting promised harvest)

India Revokes Monsanto’s GMO Cotton Seed License
“We welcome the decision,” said Kishore Tiwari, who heads the farmers’ advocacy group Vidarbha Jan Andolan Samiti.
“We demand all other 28 companies sub-licensed by MMB should be banned and replaced by traditional Indian cotton seed, as the cost of seeds of straight varieties is much lower than Bt varieties”, Tiwari said.
“Bt cotton seed has played a key role in the Vidarbha farm suicide saga since June 2005,” he said.
The drought-prone Vidarbha region of Maharashtra state has recorded more than 8,200 farmers’ suicides in the past decade, 209 in 2001 alone.
Trapped in a spiral of rising costs and in debt for costly genetically modified seeds that are supposed to repel cotton pests, as well as the pesticides they must buy when pests take over anyway, many farmers kill themselves by drinking pesticide or hanging themselves from trees….

Gail Combs
July 13, 2013 3:50 am

Warren in New Zealand says:
July 13, 2013 at 3:05 am
http://www.azcentral.com/business/consumer/free/20130712aps-seeks-higher-bills-new-solar-customers.html
Arizona Power Supply to charge solar panel users extra $100 per month….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And the other shoe drops…

Gail Combs
July 13, 2013 4:09 am

charles nelson says:…..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes you are so correct. There is not an adult in the USA who has not broken some law and therefore is vulnerable if the government decides to go after them. (Think IRS targeting)
The prosecuting attorney holds the power of who gets let off the hook (Peter Gleick) or who gets nailed (Murry Salby) I found that out the hard way when I tried to get the local DA to prosecute three thefts (three different thieves) where the thief was caught red handed with the goods. It never went anywhere because the thieves were ‘Well Connected’ to the local political party and I was a newcomer.
Angelo M. Codevilla nailed it.

….if you are not among the favored guests at the table where officials make detailed lists of who is to receive what at whose expense, you are on the menu. Eventually, pretending forcibly that valueless things have value dilutes the currency’s value for all.
Laws and regulations nowadays are longer than ever because length is needed to specify how people will be treated unequally…..
By making economic rules dependent on discretion, our bipartisan ruling class teaches that prosperity is to be bought with the coin of political support
….
The prospect of legislation that would put a price on carbon emissions and allot certain amounts to certain companies set off a feeding frenzy among large companies to show support for a “green agenda,” because such allotments would be worth tens of billions of dollars. That is why companies hired some 2,500 lobbyists in 2009 to deepen their involvement in “climate change.” At the very least, such involvement profits them by making them into privileged collectors of carbon taxes. Any “green jobs” thus created are by definition creatures of subsidies — that is, of privilege. What effect creating such privileges may have on “global warming” is debatable. But it surely increases the number of people dependent on the ruling class, and teaches Americans that satisfying that class is a surer way of making a living than producing goods and services that people want to buy…..

Editor
July 13, 2013 4:41 am

Gail Combs says:
July 13, 2013 at 2:38 am

Seems the Boston Globe is for sale and no one is really interested in buying.
With bids reportedly at a disappointing $65 million to $80 million, The Boston Globe’s impending sale is shaping up as more of a real estate deal than a newspaper buy….

IIRC, the Times paid $1 billion for the Globe. The changes since then have been pretty amazing. It used to be everyone in the tech fields would look to see bought the front page of the employment ads section. Bubbles, recessions, and the internet have squashed that. I assume Craigslist has wiped out the want ads.
I’m glad I don’t work in journalism.

Editor
July 13, 2013 4:57 am

rogerknights says:
July 13, 2013 at 1:45 am

Here’s a comment posted by the administrator on the E-Cat World site on July 10. (Note the off-grid implications.):
Andrea Rossi is reporting that the first E-Cat that the USA Partner has produced is going to be employed in providing heat to the partner’s factory — and when they have perfected electricity production, they will do the same for electrical power. I find this to be an entirely logical approach.

First, I forgot to include the URL, http://www.e-catworld.com/ there’s a lot more there than fits here.
The “when they have perfected electricity production” phrase struck me as a bit odd. I figured all they need to do is make a boiler with a lot of the modules like the last one tested. Power just for the factory? Kinda small scale. Someone suggested running a Stirling Engine. Needs a lot of development. Dean Kamen involved? He got on a Stirling Engine kick for a while, possibly to power his Segway, and while not much seems to have come from it except a number of patents….
Too much speculation, but it’s more fun than Salby v. Macquarie.

July 13, 2013 5:51 am

Russell Cook (@questionAGW) says:
July 12, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Most of you know of the ridiculous accusation that skeptic scientists are supposed to be paid shills of the fossil fuel industry. For those unaware of it, my new blog has been online since late May, an outgrowth of my 3 years of online pieces (including 3 guest posts here at WUWT) about how the accusation is baseless and essentially got its media traction in the hands of ex-Boston Globe reporter Ross Gelbspan:
http://gelbspanfiles.com/

Thanks Russell for the link to your interesting blog. It’s an impressive body of work.
If I might make a suggestion, to orient the new reader (me!) it would be helpful if you could link to a couple of key background articles in the Welcome post – the reader has to look through all the posts and (especially) your archive of links to other sites to try to piece the story of your research together.
Also, I think you should put the key articles as pdfs on your own blog so that you aren’t depending on the stability of other sites (some of the links in the archive don’t work, especially to ClimateGateCountryClub).

July 13, 2013 6:33 am

Thanks, Mark Hladik. I like your Mount Erebus Hypothesis.

July 13, 2013 7:31 am

Gary, yes that article.

rogerknights
July 13, 2013 7:46 am

DR says:
July 12, 2013 at 8:57 pm
September or October for the U.S. stock market crash to begin?

Maybe Monday, if the 2nd quarter Chinese GDP growth rate (released Sunday night) is below 7%–or above it, but not believable.

rogerknights
July 13, 2013 8:46 am

Ric Werme says:
Too much speculation, but it’s more fun than Salby v. Macquarie.

Here’s a speculation I just had: Wouldn’t it be wild if the E Cat made steam-driven cars practical?! They have great acceleration, FWIW. Take that, Tesla!

TomR,Worc,MA,USA
July 13, 2013 9:27 am

Gail Combs says:
July 13, 2013 at 2:38 am
Seems the Boston Globe is for sale and no one is really interested in buying.
========================
As they are all “Bowtied” bumkissers and throne sniffers, it will be no great loss. I just wonder when those arrogant A-holes over on Morrissey Blvd lose their jobs, do they become part of the great unwashed masses that they have been telling how to live and what to think for the last 40 yrs?
Can’t happen soon enough in my mind.
Lifelong Massachusetts resident.

July 13, 2013 9:46 am

Mac the Knife says:
July 12, 2013 at 6:25 pm
“Climate Change Has Resulted In More Predation On Mosquito-Eating Birds”
Solution: let’s build windmills to chop up the birds and explode the bats’ lungs.
Nick Stokes says:
July 12, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Nothing new here.
cynical_scientist says:
July 12, 2013 at 7:31 pm
“Is Salby going to retain his support among skeptics in the face of these revelations?”
By all means, let’s judge the science by what we think of the personalities.
“I at least am not prepared to fight for Salby.”
How about you fight for science? Salby’s is right. That’s all I care about.

jai mitchell
July 13, 2013 10:14 am

The problem with E-cat is that the copper produced in the nickel-hydrogen reaction happens to have the same isotopic abundance as naturally occurring copper. This would be impossible to reproduce using some kind of fusion reaction with naturally ocurring nickel.
here is what a guy from brookhaven had to say about that:
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/12/05/the-nuclear-physics-of-why-we/