We continue to find laughable errors in the state-by-state climate impact report released yesterday. Today we have this claim in the White House climate impact report for Georgia about coastline for the State of Georgia being threatened by sea level rise: (h/t Ryan Maue)
For comparison, California has 840 miles of coastline.
Map from NOAA US Tides and Currents website
According to the U.S. International Borders: Brief Facts”, by the Congressional Research Service, Table 3 lists the value for Georgia:
It took me about 20 seconds to locate this data. Georgia has 100 miles of coastline, not 707.
If you use the NOAA method, where they measure the outline of every estuary, inlet, peninsula, etc that touches water, we get a value for Georgia of 2344 miles:
Source: http://coastalmanagement.noaa.gov/mystate/ga.html
No matter which method you use, you can’t get 707 miles.
Add this to the list of laughable data claims already discovered, such as the claim that the president’s home state of Hawaii has 31 counties (it actually has 5), it seems to me that that the White House doesn’t know how to do basic research using a search engine.
Besides, Savannah, GA seems to not have disappeared in the face of its measured sea level rise:
Source: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=8670870
Surely it must be embarrassing for the White House that a “flat earther” blogger like me has to point these factual errors out to them.
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RE: “We don’t have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society”, Obama said.
I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but that incompetent, arithmetic challenged, no-science slacker’s attempt to mock educated folks who legitimately reject the AGW fraud really frosts my gourds! I’ll stack my class grades and course transcripts from both my engineering degrees up against his chicken shite, choom gang slacker education any day! Any damn day, that is, that Our Dear Leader decides to actually disclose his college records from Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard. The day those records see daylight, from our “most transparent administration evah”, is the last day we will see arrogant swagger and hear ignorant smack talk from Our Dear Leader.
Perhaps we should use that as a coordinated skeptics rejoinder to his slander? Let’s see who the real flat earther, science Illiterati is! Show us your college records, Mr. Obama!
But if you took an average of the ensemble of the estimates of the shoreline, I bet it would be 706.99999999
Ellin Callvis says:
June 27, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Well it appears you did catch a factual error, well done!! Keeping your eye on the unimportant stuff and off the real issue he was talking about – ocean level rise. It is happening, and a little bit makes a lot of difference when a STORM SURGE moves in… but most people here are not going to listen to reason.
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Eh ?
“most people here” are well aware of the exact magnitude of sea level rise, and a high proportion of those are also highly cognisant of storm surges. In fact, I suspect that they know a hell of a lot more than your supercilious self.
Now if I were to ask “most people here” to connect the above, scientifically, with rising CO2 levels they wouldn’t be able to do it.
…. but please feel free to educate “most people here” Ellin. Statistically significant and fully referenced data only please, and no models.
tick tock, tick tock
Since the White House’s only audience are liberals, progessives or the gullibale uninformed or underinformed general public, facts are irrelevent and and unnessary bother.
Ellin Callvis says:
June 27, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Well it appears you did catch a factual error, well done!! Keeping your eye on the unimportant stuff and off the real issue he was talking about – ocean level rise. It is happening, and a little bit makes a lot of difference when a STORM SURGE moves in… but most people here are not going to listen to reason.
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Excellent,,,,, so we know how tectonics integrates with ice, temp, precipitation and last but not least, , , Sea levels?
I hope you are right. That would take a bunch of decision-making off the plate>
Ellin Callvis says:
June 27, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Well it appears you did catch a factual error, well done!! Keeping your eye on the unimportant stuff and off the real issue he was talking about – ocean level rise. It is happening, and a little bit makes a lot of difference when a STORM SURGE moves in… but most people here are not going to listen to reason.
When you have a storm surge of say…..3 feet, does another 2.5 mm really make a LOT OF DIFFERENCE? How’s the for “reason”.
Obama was completely incorrect in his climate fear rant especially regarding sea level rise. The issue is not whether sea level is rising but is the rate of sea level rise accelerating. Obama’s statement of “fact” as he put it that sea level is rising because of increasing greenhouse gases is wrong. Sea level has been rising at a regular pace for hundreds of years with this increase unrelated to greenhouse gas emissions. This is confirmed by reviewing NOAA tide gauge data covering the world with about 240 locations where records going back more than 100 years are available. This data clearly shows that global sea level rise is not accelerating. Those who claim as did Obama that sea level is rising because of greenhouse gas emissions are simply ignorant and confused.
Coastlines are fractal and the number one gets depends on the increment of measure and the psychology of what “coast line” means.
Nice that the territories and 49th and 50th States are ignored in your map and table.
All in all this is just a trivial game the Obama Regime is playing on the U.S.A. citizens, yet again.
‘Fact Check’ ? The Obama Regimes prides itself in fascist propaganda to increase its image in the U.S.A. public eye. Inconveniences such as ethics, law or morality are ignored if they do not exemplify the Obama Regime Supremacy.
Larry Hamlin says:
June 27, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Obama was completely incorrect in his climate fear rant especially regarding sea level rise. The issue is not whether sea level is rising but is the rate of sea level rise accelerating. Obama’s statement of “fact” as he put it that sea level is rising because of increasing greenhouse gases is wrong. Sea level has been rising at a regular pace for hundreds of years with this increase unrelated to greenhouse gas emissions. This is confirmed by reviewing NOAA tide gauge data covering the world with about 240 locations where records going back more than 100 years are available. This data clearly shows that global sea level rise is not accelerating. Those who claim as did Obama that sea level is rising because of greenhouse gas emissions are simply ignorant and confused.
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To supplement this post….
We have a Mid-Atlantic ridge, as one small example of unconsidered forcing, with respect to sea levels.
How does that impact net sea levels over time, and how fast ?
Not exactly a “near real time” Sat Ob, eh?
Think about it>
Ellin Callvis says:
June 27, 2013 at 4:45 pm
“… but most people here are not going to listen to reason.”
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I’d reply to you, but have imposed a new rule upon myself of not responding to
stupid remarks fromtrollsMy wonderment is what fools voted for such a fool. The masses are truly stupid. Does not say much for attorneys as well. Another group similar to climatology…can’t get anything right, but sure know how to condescend.
Those who claim as did Obama that sea level is rising because of greenhouse gas emissions are simply ignorant and confused.
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They could also be something that history is full of – lying, thieving frauds …
… aka modern Democrats
It is amazing that the former editor of the Harvard Law Review understands fact checking in such a non-traditional manner.
Georgia has 707 FURLONGS of coastline.
Your welcome.
Well, there are still many questions unanswered about the above incredibly flawed document, but one thing is clear. From the sheer quantity of mistakes we can know:
Dope wrote this one himself.
“Georgia has 707 FURLONGS of coastline.” [Sera]
O-kay, Sera. LOL. Thanks! #[:)]
Aaaand…. the “missing heat” is ….. 20,000 LEAGUES under the sea!
As one who has spent 60 years puttering around the back bays of NJ we know the shores are mostly marsh land except where man has filled in to build homes, Anyone who has done so would realize that if you count all the zigs and zags the miles of the shoreline with numerous small rivers that drain inland wetlands and pinelands, the measurement would vary considerably depending if you were doing it every inch, foot or mile. Also the marshes have thousands of small estuaries that feed into the bays and rivers. As suggested, infinity is possible (joke). One needs to define how the calculation is made, I assume NOAA has done that.
For the case in point where flooding is a concern it makes sense to consider a straight line method since the extent of the impact of significant sea rise (flooding) is not affected by the minor zigs and zags that increase the length of the shoreline. Of course if there is a large bay the extent of flooding would extend further inland affecting more land area. However the area affected by a narrow, long estuary would be small relative to its length.
100 miles sounds like the best number for Georgia if you are considering the impact of sea level rise. One cannot stupidly calculate a much larger number unless if makes sense in connection with the issue at hand (unless you are intentionally exaggerating the claim)
Glad Anthony, and likely many others, spotted this error on the Georgia coastline. I mentioned it in a comment yesterday — and was very pleased to see it picked up today.
Why do we allow government agencies to operate as fact-challenged organizations? Here’s NOAA saying Georgia has 2344 miles of “coast”. Certainly, this number was totally cooked up to support expanding funding (using our money) in order to further grow a less-than-essential, bloated, and biased government operation, wasting more money so as to expand some bureaucrats’ power. “Inland tier counties”? What the heck does that mean? Is there a national manager or staff for “inland tier counties” at NOAA charged with defining how much of their “coast” might be at risk of a potential tsunami event?
Now, go ahead and try to strip this funding away from these entrenched bureaucrats that produce nothing for the economy. The whining would (and is) deafening. Just look at what happend when simply the rate of growth in federal budgets was constrained under “sequestration”, not even the absolute value.
There is another Georgia, as any Beatle fan will tell you. Maybe if that coast is added to the USA one…..?
‘Err – “Home state of Hawaii”. I thought it was Kenya’ says some clever cloggs.
I think this is a great site but remarks like that do not do it favours.
Obama may well be a dim Democrat, but he was born in Hawaii of an American mother.
>>No matter which method you use, you
>>can’t get 707 miles.
You have to understand that your false claim that the coastline of Georgia is only 100 miles long, is based upon initial empirical data. That initial data then has to be rebased and synthesized, and then we have to devise a model that can replicate the shoreline distance.
And the model says it is 707 miles long, so that must be the correct figure.
/sarc
Trev says: June 27, 2013 at 11:46 pm
‘Err – “Home state of Hawaii”. I thought it was Kenya’ says some clever cloggs.
I think this is a great site but remarks like that do not do it favours.
Obama may well be a dim Democrat, but he was born in Hawaii of an American mother.
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Oh, come on Trev, do lighten up, this particular thread is just a bit of fun. We all know the White House knows the true dimensions of the US, but you would have thought that they could get their facts right before going into print.
Its a bit like Obama admitting he is a Muslim rather than a Christian – you would have thought that he could get the story straight in his mind before going on air.
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It’s worse than we thought!
If the models say it’s 707 miles then it’s right!
It’s interesting to see a few people scratching around to find any valid reference to 707 miles in order to prove that the White House is right – they’re obviously missing the point
Whatever the answer, it looks like the same due diligence has been carried out on this document as has been previously done on so many of “the team’s” dodgy temperature and sea level documents.
It’s the message not the facts that count.
When I read this nonsense I didn’t know whether to laugh, cry or explode in impotent rage.
How is it possible that in each State of the Union one can find one or more signatures of AGW?
Even the damned souls who run the IPCC hesitate to make such a claim for nasty weather events averaged across the entire world.
This is the same Government who could not even Edward Snowden’s name and passport number correct on an extradition request they sent to Hong Kong and yet blame others for letting him leave.