It's almost as if the White House can't figure out how to use Google

We continue to find laughable errors in the state-by-state climate impact report released yesterday. Today we have this claim in the White House climate impact report for Georgia about coastline for the State of Georgia being threatened by sea level rise: (h/t Ryan Maue)

Georgia_coastline_WH

For comparison, California has 840 miles of coastline.

US_coastline_states_compareMap from NOAA US Tides and Currents website

According to the U.S. International Borders: Brief Facts”,  by the Congressional Research Service, Table 3 lists the value for Georgia:

US_States_coasline_table

It took me about 20 seconds to locate this data. Georgia has 100 miles of coastline, not 707.

If you use the NOAA method, where they measure the outline of every estuary, inlet, peninsula, etc that touches water, we get a value for Georgia of 2344 miles:

Georgia_coast_NOAA

Source: http://coastalmanagement.noaa.gov/mystate/ga.html

No matter which method you use, you can’t get 707 miles.

Add this to the list of laughable data claims already discovered, such as the claim that the president’s home state of Hawaii has 31 counties (it actually has 5), it seems to me that that the White House doesn’t know how to do basic research using a search engine.

Besides, Savannah, GA seems to not have disappeared in the face of its measured sea level rise:

Savannah_SLR

Source: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=8670870

Surely it must be embarrassing for the White House that a “flat earther” blogger like me has to point these factual errors out to them.

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They don’t have time for fact checking. They’re busy saving the world!

The White House has a lot of things confused. Help them Lord. Thanks for the info.

Kaboom

That explains a lot about the economic stimulus programs. A few zeros here and there quickly add up to real money and a few less to pretty much no jobs created at all.

Latitude

aren’t these the same people that draft things like health care, government policy, foreign relations, etc
and no one can proof read
58 states…….I’ve toured 57, with one more to go

John

It’s not like the White House cares about facts. This certainly isn’t the first time. They’ll say anything to get their way.

obviously Gore “Million of Degrees” is still involved in WH “Greenie” stuff

Ed Reid

Latitude @June 27, 2013 at 9:22 am
Proofreading is difficult and boring, especially if you attended government schools. Obviously, just assuming your boss can research and write ain’t cuttin’ it.

Actually, it’s not inaccurate to say Georgia’s coast line is 707 miles long, or even 1,707 miles long.
It all depends on how you measure it. 😉 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox
REPLY: OK, let’s claim a million miles and call it a day then 😉 – Anthony

PaulH

Maybe they are using Mandelbrot techniques to determine the length of Georgia’s coastline:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Long_Is_the_Coast_of_Britain%3F_Statistical_Self-Similarity_and_Fractional_Dimension
/snark

JJ

Welcome to the world of fractal dimensions, where the length of coastline between two points can be legitimately described as anything between the length of the geodesic and infinity. I’m not surprised they used that ambiguity to overstate GA coastline.
I am surprised that they did not assign a coastal length to AZ, based on model projections of SLR. 🙂

Bob Rogers

Georgia only has 100 miles of coast if you ignore all the islands. Cumberland Island alone has almost 50 miles of shore line.

theOtherJohninCalif

This is within the error brackets that should be assigned to any White House statement. The only certainty is that the statement is wrong. What we don’t know is whether the error was intentional or not. It may not be a lie (and in this case I’m sure it isn’t). We just know that they don’t care about reality.

rogerknights

Latitude says:
June 27, 2013 at 9:22 am
58 states…….I’ve toured 57, with one more to go

Oh yeah, that 57 state thing. He must have read that off a ketchup bottle: “57 varieties”.

JJ

“Carbon pollution is contributing to a higher risk of asthma attacks …”
CO2 is causing asthma attacks? How in the hell do they rationalize that?

Vincent

Err – “Home state of Hawaii”. I thought it was Kenya.

Allencic

Under the BS for Kentucky they worry about sea level rise. Maybe it comes all the way up the Mississippi and then turns east up the Ohio River. Good grief! Did any of these people ever take geography. I love the way for some states we should destroy the economy, have our electric bills skyrocket and be forever be beholden to OPEC because climate change may make ragweed bloom a few days earlier. I love the way they cherry pick data by picking a particular year for asthma numbers without any comparison to other years or an average. One of the funniest and most pitiful things the government has ever done.

PRD

Louisiana has 30 miles more coastline than Texas? I thought this was linear mileage?

daddyjames

And if a few, relatively minor, errors a lengthy report are enough to invalidate the entire report?
Could not the same statement be made about this very blog?
I reference yesterday’s blog post:
NOAA exaggerates 2012 Greenland Ice Mass Loss by 10x
Source: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/26/noaa-exaggerates-2012-greenland-ice-mass-loss/
In which, the guest author made a simple mathematical error – which they admitted – and thus his conclusions are inaccurate. Interestingly enough, the title of the blog post has not been corrected, even though it is blatantly wrong.
Should we hold this site to the same standards you apply?
REPLY: Show me where the White House has made ANY correction and you’d have a point. The guest author is preparing a correction, and people can plainly see the announced error at top. The only people that can’t see the correction are pouncers – Anthony

Lance Wallace

Tarran is correct, the coastline example was used by Mandelbrot to illustrate the concept of a fractional (fractal) dimension.

steveta_uk

I just googled for “georgia coastline miles” and saw this:

List of U.S. states by coastline – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_coastline‎
The other colors indicate states with coastline; the different colors have no significance except to visually … Georgia, 7002100000000000000100 miles (160 km) …

That’s a lot of miles 😉

more soylent green!

Anthony:
Like a modern journalist, you’re not supposed to do any fact-checking, just rewrite the summary of the report as accepted facts. The Ministry of Truth has spoken?
Who do you think you are, anyway?
~more soylent green!

The White House says “more than 85 metric tons of carbon pollution” . Huh? My daughters’ Ford wagon must emit that much in a year. They mean , surely, 85 gazillion tons.

Wendy

daddyjames says:
June 27, 2013 at 9:49 am
And if a few, relatively minor, errors a lengthy report are enough to invalidate the entire report?
Could not the same statement be made about this very blog?
I reference yesterday’s blog post:
NOAA exaggerates 2012 Greenland Ice Mass Loss by 10x
Source: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/26/noaa-exaggerates-2012-greenland-ice-mass-loss/
In which, the guest author made a simple mathematical error – which they admitted – and thus his conclusions are inaccurate. Interestingly enough, the title of the blog post has not been corrected, even though it is blatantly wrong.
Should we hold this site to the same standards you apply?
We will be waiting for the Whitehouse and Obama to admit they made some errors in their reports. Tho I really wouldn’t advise holding your breath until they do. 😐

All 707 miles of Georgia’s coastline was at risk. Obviously 607 miles has been flooded, leaving only 100 miles to go. It’s worse than the White House thought!

Mike Bromley the Kurd near the Green Line

Only 85 metric tons of carbon, huh? Boy, they’s gone whole-HAWG down there!

Zhorgon

“Carbon pollution”?? He must be referring to graphite, diamonds, soot. No mention of carbon dioxide.

george e. smith

Well Janet Neapolitan is a whizz on miles of stuff.
Look how many miles of US-Mexico and US-Canada border fence she has built.
See what you flat earthers don’t understand, is that coastlines and border fences are fractal, and Janet is an expert on Mangleberg sets, so she has figured out how to sum the coastlines correctly.
Take just a single Florida beach on say Biscayne Bay. How would YOU like to have to sum the perimeters of all those sand grains on the beach at the waterline. And with sea level rising at a catastrophic rate, the number changes every time a new wave breaks. So actually Georgia has about 70,000 miles of coastline
So back off on poor Jan, she has an almost impossible task patrolling our borders.

Bob Diaz

Clearly they must be using the same system for measuring the coastline as they use for measuring sea level rise. ;-))

bladeshearer

But Hawaii does have 31 counties – it’s just that 26 of them have been submerged by carbon-polluting AGW-caused sea level rise. But like the missing folks in President Obama’s Cook County, they may still be voting.

mswxerman

White House is saying Missouri can expect lake-effect snow.

Chad Wozniak

It may be a fantasy, but it’s still driving policy – with horrendous results, if this continues.

graphicconception

But Hawaii does have 31 counties …
5 are in islands in the Pacific and the other 26 are in Africa!

tarran says:
June 27, 2013 at 9:29 am
Actually, it’s not inaccurate to say Georgia’s coast line is 707 miles long, or even 1,707 miles long.
It all depends on how you measure it. 😉 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox
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damn you beat me to it

Bryan A

Funny thing is, If you take the 2344 figure and multiply by 30% you get ………..
703.2
Perhaps the 707 figure is based on a 30% of total estimated linear mileage

george e. smith

“””””……JJ says:
June 27, 2013 at 9:45 am
“Carbon pollution is contributing to a higher risk of asthma attacks …”
CO2 is causing asthma attacks? How in the hell do they rationalize that?……””””””
Actually CO2 is more likely to be good medicine for Asthma folks (I are one), than being a cause.
An old Polynesian cure for drowning, was to hang the patient by his/er heels over a fire pit, with wet aBanama leaves, to quell the flame from the fire. The hanging itself, would drain the patient a bit, and the CO2 in the smoke, would trigger spontaneous breathing, to get the victim going again. Well the presumption was that the patient was on our side of course. If s/he was on the other side, we would save the leaves for next time, and have dinner instead.
When you try to hold your breath, and not exhale, it’s the CO2 accumulation in your lungs, that eventually forces you to exhale.

Hard to get accurate measures when you wrap that flat earth map around a globe.

OssQss

This is exactly what happens when failed progressive ideology supercedes science. I just can’t wait for all of the fun we will have with the IRS running our health care system!
Then again, it might not be as bad as the EPA controlling your light switch and thermostat.
Where the hell has this once great country gone!

paddylol

The CBS table of coastlines reproduced in this post omits WA.
According to Wikipedia WA has 157 miles of coastline, but this figure fails to include hundreds of miles of coastline along the Straits of Juan de Fuca and Georgia, Puget Sound, Hoods Canal, Wilipa and Greys Harbor Bays, and numerous salt water islands therein. All of this coastline is potentially vulnerable to rising sea levels.
The crap the comes from government is useless in most instances because the pols in charge get whatever they want.

george e. smith

“””””…..Latitude says:
June 27, 2013 at 9:22 am
aren’t these the same people that draft things like health care, government policy, foreign relations, etc
and no one can proof read
58 states…….I’ve toured 57, with one more to go…..”””””
Lemme guess; the one remaining State out of 58; that he had not visited was Hawaii ??

Pete Brown

Hold on troops. I know a couple of people have mentioned this already but I think this is worth re-stating:
“In 2011, power plants and major industrial facilities in Georgia emitted more than 85 metric tonnes of carbon pollution…”
85.
Metric Tonnes.
Apparently that is more than the annual emissions of 18 million cars.
What are you all driving over there?

OssQss

Hummm, just curious if anyone has done the math on this little $100,000,000 trip to Africa and the carbon footprint that is carried with the jets, carrier, 60 or so cars etc that our POTUS is taking with him. That has gotta be a pretty big number. Probably offset by the kids not being able to do a White house tour due to the cuts though — >SARC<
The smell of hypocrisy is overwhelming!

Pete Brown

“…58 states…….I’ve toured 57, with one more to go…..”””””
I’d comment on the carbon footprint, but apparently with your cars…..

rogerknights

like arsenic and mercury pollution that we regulated
So no more “pollution” in our Coca Cola?

Tarran and Steven bring up some interesting questions. How are the other states measured? If Georgia is 707 miles, then California must be a lot more than 840 miles. Furthermore, are islands included in this measurement system? What about man-made extensions to the coastline? I think that the number was not a typo. I suspect that it must have been taken directly from a pamphlet prepared by an environmental advocacy group. It should not be too difficult to find the provenance to the 707 mile claim.

Try googling “707 miles of coastline” and see what you get: https://privatelee.qrobe.it/search/?q=%22707+miles+of+coastline%22&s=sbv2

Myron Mesecke

I go to Georgia in August for some training. I better bring a life vest.

Pete Brown

85.
Anyone…?

Federal guidelines set a maximum occupational exposure limit at 5,000 ppm as a time-weighted average for an eight-hour workday.

Michael Bacigalupo

Other posters said the same thing, but you can measure coastline basically however you want to get any length you want. It’s not inaccurate, just a weird way of looking at it.

Colorado Wellington

… as if the White House can’t figure out how to use Google

Coastline measurement methods aside I guess they don’t want to use Google. One can’t be careful enough. The White House staffers know who they are dealing with. Google would spy on them and give the data to the NSA that would spy some more and tell the President. And nobody wants him to have to say again:
“Uhhh…Uh…Uhhh…People!”
Why take the risk? The President’s groupies in the media won’t call them out anyway.