We continue to find laughable errors in the state-by-state climate impact report released yesterday. Today we have this claim in the White House climate impact report for Georgia about coastline for the State of Georgia being threatened by sea level rise: (h/t Ryan Maue)
For comparison, California has 840 miles of coastline.
Map from NOAA US Tides and Currents website
According to the U.S. International Borders: Brief Facts”, by the Congressional Research Service, Table 3 lists the value for Georgia:
It took me about 20 seconds to locate this data. Georgia has 100 miles of coastline, not 707.
If you use the NOAA method, where they measure the outline of every estuary, inlet, peninsula, etc that touches water, we get a value for Georgia of 2344 miles:
Source: http://coastalmanagement.noaa.gov/mystate/ga.html
No matter which method you use, you can’t get 707 miles.
Add this to the list of laughable data claims already discovered, such as the claim that the president’s home state of Hawaii has 31 counties (it actually has 5), it seems to me that that the White House doesn’t know how to do basic research using a search engine.
Besides, Savannah, GA seems to not have disappeared in the face of its measured sea level rise:
Source: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=8670870
Surely it must be embarrassing for the White House that a “flat earther” blogger like me has to point these factual errors out to them.
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“We, the People of the United States of America… ” are against TYRANTS LIKE YOU, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.”
Just to be sure my name stays on “the list,” heh, heh — FOREVER.
Any American whose name is not on “the list” should be ashamed of themselves.
Don’t know whether anyone else mentioned it but I think the supposed asthma link is along these lines, from a recent USA Today artice:
“Climate change might be partly to blame. Scientists see a link to carbon dioxide, a heat-trapping greenhouse gas emitted by burning coal, oil and other fossil fuels. Tests show that the more CO2 in the atmosphere, the more plants generally grow and the more pollen they produce.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/30/climate-change-allergies-asthma/2163893/
Note that they nonchalantly link climate change to plant growth when the actual link is CO2 to plant growth, and oh by the way, increased plant growth is supposed to be a bad thing? Somehow I think the benefits of increased plant growth outweigh the drawbacks. The stupidity and/or dishonesty is infuriating.
Ryan posted a link which demonstrates that the “707 miles” metric was probably taken from a master’s thesis. Interesting.
I know from experience that factoids like that can slip past a thesis committee. It would be interesting to ask Ana Catalina Restrepo how she calculated the length of the Georgia coastline, and whether similar calculations had been done to other coastlines.
Since ANALYSIS OF STORM SURGE IMPACTS ON TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS IN THE GEORGIA COASTAL AREA (Georgia Tech, 2011) dealt exclusively with the Georgia coastline, it is reasonable to assume that the method used by Ms. Restrepo to arrive at that length was unique.
I live in Savannah, and the Corp of Engineers is going to dredge the Savannah River to a greater depth, increasing the depth of the shipping channel by 10 feet, from 40 feet deep to 50 feet deep. If AGW causes the ocean to rise by 2 meters, or about 6 feet, it will not matter in Savannah because we have already made room for the extra water by deepening the river by 10 feet.
If the Government can make stupid pronouncements and calculations, then the rest of us are entitled to the same privilege.
According to Obam there’s what? 57 States? Politicians couldn’t care less about facts. The refrain is: “The truth is what I say it is.” Also known as the Humpty Dumpty syndrome: “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
All 707 of Georgia’s 100 miles of coastline are at risk. I see nothing funny about this.
Actually, the fractallization of Georgia’s coastline is a pretty good metaphor for what alarmists have managed to do with the limited, cherry-picked data they do have. It’s appropriate.
Fractalized anthropogenic warming (global) = FAWG
DirkH…
Well done. That is exactly where i was going!.. I figured someone would pipe up and correctly state that the coast line length is infinity.
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The errors by Obama probably won’t matter, just as All Gore’s errors in An Inconvenient Truth don’t seem to have mattered.
No laughing matter when the President lies and presents false data as he pushes forth an agenda that is not beneficial to the US’s economy while it also has no discernible impact on “climate change”.
“””””……Lars P. says:
June 27, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Zhorgon says:
June 27, 2013 at 10:14 am
“Carbon pollution”?? He must be referring to graphite, diamonds, soot. No mention of carbon dioxide……”
So why are Buckyballs, and grapheme, and nanotubes excluded from the Zhorgon list. Do you have some aversion to Buckyballs Mr. Zhorgon Any chance of mining those atmospheric diamonds ??
George
“Why? we aren’t the one making the error. The White house could have used either the Congressional Research Service value or the NOAA more detailed value. Pulling values out of masters thesis doesn’t cut it. If I’d posted it and claimed it was 707 miles, people would be all over me. -Anthony”
I wouldn’t. I would have said you were probably using a USGS number from the link above. Feel free to add up the GA numbers from that spreadsheet and prove Obama wrong…until then the WH used a legitimate number from an NOAA State of the Coast-Vulnerability report and got poked fun at for supposedly failing to google. But they didn’t fail at google. You did.
REPLY: Well I don’t see it that way. That number doesn’t exist at NOAA, and they are the government coastal authority Tell you what< I'll be happy to make an update if they fix their 31 counties in Hawaii claim, which was beyond stupid. Clearly they don't know what they are doing and I don't know why you’d be dumb enough to defend their sloppy cut and past hack. But, here you are. – Anthony
The White House i, unlike the Watts house, is evidently graced with folks able to read a map well enough to find that the missing 600 miles is the perihery of the the Georgia Sea Islands of cotton fame, from St.Simons and Jeckyll up through Skideaway ..
JJ says: @ur momisugly June 27, 2013 at 9:45 am
“Carbon pollution is contributing to a higher risk of asthma attacks …”
CO2 is causing asthma attacks? How in the hell do they rationalize that?
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They can not if they use science. See my comment REBUTTAL, ASTHMA
CO2 is literally a necessity for the proper function of the lungs and needed to maintain the proper blood pH.
Like oxygen and water, carbon dioxide is critical for human health. CO2 is one of the controls for our breathing. Carbon dioxide acts as a marker for breathing. When carbon dioxide levels reach a certain trigger point, the respiratory centre in our brain sends a message to the muscles used for breathing to take in more air…. Should the concentration of oxygen get too low, then carbon dioxide pressure will be ignored as a marker for breathing until the pressure of oxygen is raised to the normal range.
From Russia: bronchial asthma and CO2
Don’t expect the FDA under Obama to give this method its blessing though since it make CO2 out as the ‘Hero’ and it uses no drugs that can be sold at a profit.
A couple peer-reviewed papers A randomised controlled trial of the Buteyko technique as an adjunct to conventional management of asthma.
Effect of two breathing exercises (Buteyko and pranayama) in asthma: a randomised controlled trial.
This one is interesting. The Abstract states:
A curious critique of the study states:
Ah, yes another scientific cat fight, what fun.
“REPLY: Well I don’t see it that way. That number doesn’t exist at NOAA, and they are the government coastal authority […] – Anthony”
Anthony, this number appears to have been taken from a master’s thesis (ANALYSIS OF STORM SURGE IMPACTS ON TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS IN THE GEORGIA COASTAL AREA, Georgia Tech, 2011, page 10).
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsmartech.gatech.edu%2Fjspui%2Fbitstream%2F1853%2F42897%2F1%2Frestrepo_ana_c_201112_mast.pdf&ei=TaHMUcPCNJHS9ASOxYD4Ag&usg=AFQjCNEuG5HlNrbGZoGbUxN64hQMFKNbug&sig2=qYuX-SjE5qW_Jz_LhAF70w&bvm=bv.48572450,d.eWU
REPLY: yes, well aware. So what? Go tell that to Wikipedia. Go edit the numbers for Georgia where they cite NOAA, and watch how fast people change it back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_coastline – note the references.
Masters thesis bumped up to a NOAA alarm website doesn’t cut it. Sorry. I don’t buy the value for their sea level projection either. Anthony
Where is Alaska ??? We have near 5,580 coastline miles!
There is a technical difference between “general” coastline and “actual” coastline. Actual coastline is “how much land abuts the sea” and by that reading Georgia does have quite a lot of coastline compared to the geographical number. I still don’t believe it comes to 707 miles. Do be aware that most of the Georgian coastline is thriving wetlands!
Al Gore would defend the essential truthiness of this number.
From what I read Georgia’s coastline is made up of marshes, barrier islands, marshes, and swampy lowlands, as well as flat plains and low terraces. It is my understanding the areas like marshes have a dynamic response by rising with sea level rise through vertical accretion. Unless there is an acceleration in the rate of sea level rise there should not be a calamity.
On second thoughts HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!
“The response of coastal marshes to sea-level rise: Survival or submergence?”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/esp.3290200105/abstract
Gail Combs says:
June 27, 2013 at 2:53 pm
“What is the quintessence of Buteyko’s discovery? “Breathe less” is his advice because it helps to preserve essential carbon dioxide…”
You can’t breathe less. If you try to, pCO2 increases and you are forced by completely automatic mechanisms which sense CO2 concentrations, located in the 4th ventricle of the brain, to then breathe a little more to adjust pCO2 back to normal. Likewise your resting breathing rate, +/- the “tidal” volume inhaled, is completely automatic. Buteyko is trying to sell you his magic product.
And as I’ve mentioned before, if increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations causes asthma, then everyone would already have it! Because the normal concentration of CO2 in the lung’s airways and alveoli ranges between 40,000 and 56,000 ppm..
In the Wisconsin impact report, they were unable to correctly spell one of the four Wisconsin cities that they mention by name; it’s La Crosse, not Lacrosse. Attributing Lyme disease, ragweed pollen and asthma to “carbon pollution’ seems to be a common – and unsupported – theme.
Maybe the conversation went something like:
Staffer one “We need to make the numbers look like we know what we are talking about (giggle) so let’s not use 100 miles. Give me a figure that sounds more accurate.”
Staffer two “Why don’t we use 7, oh (pause), 7 miles”
Well it appears you did catch a factual error, well done!! Keeping your eye on the unimportant stuff and off the real issue he was talking about – ocean level rise. It is happening, and a little bit makes a lot of difference when a STORM SURGE moves in… but most people here are not going to listen to reason.
There was no conversation- The White House staffers all hate doing this nonsense so they spend zero time hunting out any sort of facts- Their bosses have written out all the grand details so they make it look nice and fill in some numbers in the missing spaces.
That’s why Barry failed university the first time, and probably why he refuses to release his transcripts… he is not too bright.
If you’re blogging for low information voters, having your facts straight isn’t such a big deal
“That number doesn’t exist at NOAA”
The Georgia report uses the same language as the vulnerability report on the SOTC link. Other states at the link(like the bannered Virginia stat) use a third metric for coastal length. The number is NOT taken from a masters thesis. They both got it from the same place, obviously.
REPLY: “same language”? meh, nice try, WH still wrong and so are you to go to such lengths to defend the WH sloppy garbage. Like I said, If I’d done it, you’d be all over it even though you claim you wouldn’t, your M.O. belies your intentions. – Anthony