It seems the debate is getting a bit testy in the land of watercress sandwiches and doilies*.
“Man-made global-warming hypothesis is dead in the water” says Godfrey Bloom MEP, but it gets better, he points a finger at the chairman and shouts “denier”.
Watch.
h/t to Tom Nelson
* Some people thought I was referring to Belgium. No, I was referring to the EU Parliament in Brussels. I had lunch service there in a roomful of skeptics while Climategate raged in my mind, and I couldn’t say anything until it was verified. I recall the lunch service because it seemed to heighten the surreal situation I found myself in. – Anthony
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Unfortunately, the EU Parliament will ignore this, and go their own merry way.
Some background on UKIP (the party he represents). They are on the right of the spectrum and are regularly denounced by the BBC as being crackpot loonies. But with this coming from the Biased Broadcasting Corporation, that is perhaps a compliment.
However, I like UKIP as they represent the only opposition to the EU monolith. If you want to see some stirring EU speeches, Youtube for Nigel Farage Great Speaches EU Parliament. Marvelous stuff – he really holds those Commies to account (the top three in the EU parliament are all ex Marxists, including Barosso).
This is the trouble with the EU parliament – it has no opposition party (except for UKIP). When Vaclav Klaus the Czech president came to the parliament and asked for more democracy in the EU and a viable opposition party – the EU parliamentarians booed him and walked out. That is also worth watching on Youtube. Klaus was saying “please do not be like Stalin, who ruled us”, and the EU parliamentarians booed him and walked out. This tells you all you need to know about the EU.
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Can we no longer type…….. Denier?
I guess we can.
jc:
I write to offer some friendly advice.
Please ignore the ridiculous answer to your question from icarus62.
Either he is delusional or he is pretending to be delusional.
I think he is pretending to be delusional by posting his irrational and ludicrous statements. His purpose in this being pure trolling; i.e. he attempts to inhibit rational discussion by encouraging discussion of complete nonsense.
Richard
May I suggest that all comments in reply to Icarus62 cease forthwith and that nobody continues to reply to his quite stupid and inconsistent views on this serious subject. It is only by replying to his unreal posts that he responds with even more stupid logic. I have stopped reading him and I invite everyone to simply ignore future posts from him. Otherwise It will simply lead to more extended posts that I, and I’m sure others, just do not want to read.
Finally got the electricity restored to my house four days after a major (and should I say unprecedented) April ice storm that knocked severaltrees down (along with our power line). So I logon to my favorite web-site and see this gem. Thanks for making my day.
@DirkH says:
April 16, 2013 at 5:52 am
Gareth Phillips says:
April 16, 2013 at 1:56 am
“You really don’t want this chap on your side.
In December 2008, Bloom had to be carried out by an intern after making a European Parliament speech while drunk. During the speech, Bloom denied that the MEPs from Poland, the Czech Republic or Latvia have the ability to understand economic relations. In February 2012, Bloom interrupted a debate with the question whether the Cambridge University Women’s Rugby team should wear their logo on the front or back of their shirts.”
Ah yeah, slinging a little mud from the left. You can’t attack the argument so you attack the man. Alinsky tactics from the Fabians.
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Dirk, are you saying these records are wrong? If they are correct, that is not mudslinging or an ad hominem attack, it is merely quoting the records. I accept you may choose to disregard this behaviour, but if it is correct, I don’t see the problem. If you think his behaviour was acceptable we just have to agree to disagree. This is not a case of left and right mudslinging any more than reporting climate records.
This debate about whether warming has stopped or not is a bit silly. It’s like trying to decide which way up a pattern should be. The climate has warmed since the 70s, so theoretically if it has not gone down again, it has still warmed ( Note past tense) However if the temp has stopped going up, it has paused in it’s increase, but it does not mean the temp has gone back down. If water is heated to 50c and stays there without getting warmer, it has warmed. If it does not get any warmer, it has ceased it’s increase. There is a pause in the temp increase, it may start going up again, or it may reduce, I don’t think anyone really knows for sure. But debating whether it has warmed or is still warming or stopped warming is pointless, they are all true, it just depends how you want to see things and from which year you measure your data. Simples.
For those complaining about the use of the “D” word please review again the audio. At no point does he use the “D” word. There is no equivalence between observing a person is in denial of a reality and claiming a person is a “denier” which is a pejorative association to a phrase whose usage has an uniquely historic context and purpose. I apologize in advance for triggering the moderator alarm.
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@ur momisugly icarus62 says:
April 16, 2013 at 8:45 am
Thanks for responding but you didn’t really directly answer my questions. I suppose I can infer something but that leaves things pretty vague.
You say:
“Yes, anyone who has a reasonable physical understanding of Earth’s climate system thinks the same way as I do.”
For me, that is a fairly astonishing statement. Is there no-one who has “a reasonable understanding” whose opinions differ from yours at all? Even a bit? What about people who actually are employed to research in this area – who are committed to AGW – who have recently said things along the lines that it hasn’t warmed this century, its stalled etc? Are they just wrong? Don’t they know whats going on?
Can I ask – how is it that you know better? But mainly, how is it that you KNOW that everyone who has “a reasonable understanding” thinks exactly like you. You must understand, its difficult to know where this comes from: it is very very unusual for intelligent people to have EXACTLY the same thoughts about anything. Actually, I think it is probably unheard of.
So, I repeat, are such people with a “reasonable understanding” those who are part of your social circle? Are they ALL like you, who think exactly as you do? Or are you a bit of a loner – or maybe a leader in this?
Please answer these questions directly, and I would add, do you have employment, or do you perform actions, in a role where the results pf those actions can be seen? Where your abilities in a practical way can be judged? And also, you refer to self-delusion, do you have reason to be aware of this condition?
Apologies to those above who think icarus62 should not be responded to. I can certainly see your point. He seems so very certain however, and I would like to see just why. I realize that may not be possible and if all he is capable of doing or being is repeating the same things there is no point.
icarus62 says:
“The fact that global warming continues unabated strongly suggests that the IPCC were right.”
icarus62 is completely deluded.
Typical British gift for understatement
icarus62 is neither deluded nor irrational, he/she/it is deflecting the conversation. The subject of this thread was the speech in the UK chambers – icarus deflected it to him/her/itself.
Saw a few allusions to inebriation. Personally, I think a law should be made that requires congressmen to have a BAC of 0.04 to 0.08 to be allowed entry to the chamber for any debate. Imagine the arguments that can be made with people unconstrained by inhibition and decorum, where the congress-critters finally actually say the words they are really thinking, and in the passion of the arguments may say words that they would never say in a public forum exposing their true agendas. It would make CSPAN the most popular TV channel in history, and the public at large will definitely become interested in the political process, and may learn what their leaders truly want and why. I’m not talking allowing real slobbering falling down drunkenness, but just enough BAC to allow the inhibition walls to tumble a wee bit. Remember, the seeds of our revolution began in pubs.
Move that motion be forwarded (hic) for a vote. 🙂
Gareth Phillips:
Your post at April 16, 2013 at 10:34 am is either deliberately disingenuous or very mistaken.
The fact that global warming stopped at least 16 years ago is extremely important.
Please read my above post at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/15/fireworks-in-the-eu-parliament-over-the-pause-in-global-warming/#comment-1276907
As I said there, the fact needs to be stated and explained at every opportunity. Clearly, Godfrey Bloom MEP understands the importance of this fact which you say you do not.
I repeat, please read my post which explains the matter which you say you do not understand.
Richard
richardscourtney is mistaken, as shown above. There is no evidence for any significant slowdown in the global warming trend which has been measured since around 1980.
Well, I’ve had a really crappy day…. but THAT was a thing of beauty to behold!
Godfrey was giving Connie the Bloom’in facts, in no uncertain terms.
Yes! Made my day, right there!!!
MtK
icarus62 says:
April 16, 2013 at 7:55 am
”@richard verney: Remember that the IPCC are talking about the rate of warming averaged over decades, which is currently around 0.17°C per decade – very slightly less than the quoted 0.2°C per decade but not enough to quibble about, I wouldn’t think.”
I have no need to be so pleasant (despite the fact that I am normally reticent to ‘call others out’) – so my response to your crass stupidity is simple…..
please show the data that confirms the 0.17degC warming for the last decade….
I suggest you will not be able to produce such information – hence, you would indeed be seen as a complete dickwad!
(sorry mods, but it has to be said!)
icarus62 says:
April 16, 2013 at 3:28 pm
sir/madam/bot – whatever! – sorry, but that statement shows you are completely unaware of the current situation! (even using the fudged data produced by NOAA, UEA, etc, etc!)
Get a frigging life will ya? – and preferably some eyes and a brain to go with it!! FFS if you want be a troll, at least be a factually correct troll! Gawd above – what do we have to do to deal with such moronic stupidity when folk cant even accept real facts/data????
RichardCourtney, I only mention the sea because only looking at surface temperature would give the impression that the earth’s may not be continued to warm. By taking into account the increase in heat being stored in the oceans we can conclude that the earth is continuing to heat up.
Your ‘so what’ statement is a little strange and I cannot understand how you can divorce the relationship between surface temperature from ocean temperature so blithely. Common sense alone would tell you there would have to be some interaction.
Moe says:
April 16, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Oh FFS! and how exactly are YOU going to prove that ocean heat storage is being increased? FFS Trenberth can’t account for it – so do YOU have a feasible account?
and to take your later point further – perhaps you should think of the earth as a ‘complete’ system – so if surface temps are lower, OHC might be higher to ‘compensate’ and vice versa……but the NET change is the equivalent of the square root of bugger all! Get it?
Moe:
re your post at April 16, 2013 at 3:57 pm.
Don’t be stupid. If you really are so lacking in understanding and human intelligence as you claim then read my above post which explains the matter. It is at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/15/fireworks-in-the-eu-parliament-over-the-pause-in-global-warming/#comment-1276907
Strewth! The standard of troll on WUWT has dropped through the floor.
Richard
Icarus62, I see that you are starting to make people think on this blog. There is no better evidence of this than other posters ‘advising’ other people to ignore you. Obviously they are scared that another point of view would pollute the debate.
It will be interesting to see if they will enter the next steps in silencing you.