Readers may recall that Dr. Mann had an unprofessional visceral reaction to the invitation. Kudos to Dr. Gavin Schmidt for taking the invitation and to follow through with it in a professional manner*.
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Dr. Roy Spencer writes:
Stossel Show: Schmidt, Spencer, & Ridley on Global Warming
John Stossel interviewed me and Gavin Schmidt yesterday at the FoxNews studios in Manhattan, and I’m told he will interview Matt Ridley today, for (Thursday) nights Stossel Show entitled “Green Tyranny”. As is often the case, the show might air on FoxNews Channel once or twice this weekend.
Looking for a global warming debate, Stossel said they asked 10 natural climate change deniers (sorry, my term, I couldn’t help myself), and only Gavin took them up on it. Scott Denning was also willing, but unavailable.
At least Gavin knows what he’s talking about…I’ve debated people who so badly mangled the explanation of anthropogenic climate change that I had to fix it for them so the audience wouldn’t be misled.
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Talking with Stossel afterward, he said he thought Gavin did a good job of articulating his position. I hope Gavin is willing to return, although I could tell he was somewhat annoyed by the conservative/libertarian vibe he was surrounded by. It will also be interesting to see what Matt Ridley has to say.
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Look for it on Fox Business Channel 9 p.m. EDT Thursday, March 28th (tonight).
You can find FBC on DirectTV and Dish Network, as well as many local cable outlets. Check listings with your television service provider.
* UPDATE: After watching the Stossel show on Fox Business Channel, I was disappointed at how Dr. Schmidt behaved. Stossell interviewed Spencer first, then Gavin Schmidt, who came across as being afraid of debate, and unfortunately he made arrangements that he would not stay on the podium when Spencer came up. This in my opinion, lost his entire case with the public in one childish appearing action.
Spencer even agreed with some of Dr. Schmidt’s points, and said things that have already been said, so if Dr. Schmidt feared some sort of ambush, he was sorely mistaken. Then Matt Ridley was interviewed and pointed out how there are positive benefits to global warming and CO2 increasing global biomass. IMHO Both Roy and Matt were upbeat and positive where Gavin by his actions came across really badly. I still give him props for participating, as it was far and above the juvenile response of his colleague Dr. Mann, but I think making demands like he did hurt his trust with the audience far more than he realizes. – Anthony
Gavin Schmidt is one of the very rare exception of the consensus advocates wiling to discuss, if not debate, his position. He did it once before in a series of exchanges with Judith Curry on Keith Kloor’s site. He also took questions from the hoi polloi.
I remember being amused by the fact that he just could not seem to figure out how Dr. Curry continued to disagree with him, once they agreed on certain basic underlying facts. I look forward to seeing the program.
jim papsdorf says:
March 28, 2013 at 4:06 pm
And why some of those posters here would question the fairness of Fox is way beyond me. Most of the time the critic’s are knee jerk liberals who have never even seen any of their shows.
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Walk up from behind a liberal and wisper “fox news” in their ear.
It’s like garlic to a vampire.
I’m really suprised (sic) the liberal hippie lefty loonies in NYC have NOT, in fact, burned him at the steak (sic) yet. (Oh wait, they DON’T eat STEAK, that’s why!)
It’s “stake” and plenty of leftists eat steak, hence the thriving steakhouses that permeate the city. Also, don’t refer to them as liberals, as they are anything but. I’m a liberal and wouldn’t be caught dead spouting the nonsensical shit they too commonly regurgitate. A liberal is someone who believes in both social and economic liberty. Don’t let them bastardize the term into something that it unequivocally is not.
I do not watch TV (or even have one), if this ever makes it to where it can be watched over the net someone please post a link.
I’ll check the fox site for links as well.
Cheers.
For UK viewers of Fox News on Sky Satellite, according to the EPG Stossel is on at 2am Saturday and another at 3am Sunday, also looks like repeats follow three hours later on both days. The info button has no details. Set the PVR to record both days. 🙂
UK summer time cuts in on Sunday morning thus maybe explaining why there is an hour difference to the start time between the two days.
Mick.
Gavin and Bill O’Reilly, My Favorite Political commentators! Big props to Gavin for agreeing to participate.
I take it as a positive when we see Schmidt’s acceptance of Stossel’s invitation to participate in a show that will also include Spencer and Ridley; to be a positive sign that climate science dialog is becoming more open and balanced.
Perhaps there is some possibility that better blog principles will be applied soon at RC that could override Mann’s innate hostility and offensiveness.
John
Seems that all the ‘respect’ for gavin was a little premature. he’s in the studio but refuses to speak as long as it’s “not a debate”.
Which has just had the ridiculous situation where Dr Spencer has been sent off set so gavin can come on and talk. Frightened to death of having his assertions questioned?
And he’s joined the rest and moved on to ‘extreme weather events’ rather than the actual science. The man is a deluded charlatan.
That was an incredible farce. Schmidt should be ashamed. He acted like a child.
Schmidt looked like a fool when he declined to debate Spencer.
Leo Geiger says:
March 28, 2013 at 4:54 pm
REPLY: Why not watch before bloviating about it Nick? – Anthony
….It doesn’t matter if you agree with the opinion expressed in the title or not. If you asked 10 chiropractors to appear in a segment called “Chiropractor Tyranny”, it would not be surprising if 8 are reluctant.
Good for Gavin Schmidt to look past it.
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Your point sounds good on the face of it. But it does not past muster. It would past muster if Chiropractors were forcing governments to levy my tax money to force Chiropractic upon the masses. So Tyranny is in fact what it is to me and all the tax payers who are forced to cough up money and forced to take the products to save us from some non existential doom. If you could come up with a better analogy, I will retract my statement here. See, I’m open to being wrong.
JDC says:
March 28, 2013 at 5:47 pm
I’m really suprised (sic) the liberal hippie lefty loonies in NYC have NOT, in fact, burned him at the steak (sic) yet. (Oh wait, they DON’T eat STEAK, that’s why!)
It’s “stake” and plenty of leftists eat steak, hence the thriving steakhouses that permeate the city. Also, don’t refer to them as liberals, as they are anything but. I’m a liberal and wouldn’t be caught dead spouting the nonsensical shit they too commonly regurgitate. A liberal is someone who believes in both social and economic liberty. Don’t let them bastardize the term into something that it unequivocally is not.
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“Let them eat cake.”
(I’m almost starting to understand the meaning of that phrase).
For a brief period today, I felt a degree of admiration for Gavin Schmidt becasue of his willingness to go on the program. But now, having watched the program, my prior opinion of the man has returned. What a schmuck. He actually required Roy Spencer to leave the set before he would come on. Gavin came across looking like a total tool.
Watched it and agree with zoot and Bob. Gavin was an a-hole. And he was dressed like he had just come to the studio after working on his car. Roy looked professional.
Does Gavin really believe that if we wreck our economy (more) with Green Tyranny, the Chinese and Indians are going to follow our lead?
I am thoroughly disappointed by Fox Business’s/John Stossel’s presentation tonight.
There was no mention of two crucial facts in the debate:
(1) There has been no warming at all, but rather cooling, since 1998, and overall temps are lower now than at any time since 1978, and much lower than the warmest period of the last century (actually since 1850), the 1930s; besides which there have been past eras with higher temps and low CO2, and vice versa, all through history and prehistory – ZERO CORRELATION between CO2 in the atmosphere and climate. – the histotical and paleontological records PROVE this beyond a shadow of a doubt.
(2) An overwhelming majority of scientists REJECT the AGW hypothesis. If you count the ~ 70 hard-core fanatics in the IPCC versus the 31,000+ signers of th4e Oreegon Petition, the skeptics outnumber the believers by about 450 to 1. I suspect the scientists who haven’t spoken up outnumber the other ethically compromised “scientists” pushing AGW in similar proportion.
A huge opportunity to present the real truth about global warming was missed in this presentation.
“Let them eat cake.”
(I’m almost starting to understand the meaning of that phrase).
Keep working, haha.
@ur momisugly Chad – Stop it. The vast majority of climate scientists (not engineers, not scientists in other fields, but actual climate scientists who are actively working in the field) accept the AGW theory. The theory being debated is CAGW and how to approach the issue from a policy standpoint. Your statements about the temperature record are in direct contrast to the historical data.
I was disappointed, Dr. Spencer did not have a chance to respond to Schmidt’s bloviating and hand-waving. Schmidt was the [snip] we’ve all come to expect from (Un)real Climate. That Schmidt refused to be on the same set as Spencer and debate him was embarrasing and showed Schmidt’s cowardice like most of the global warming gang.
Oh, forgot to mention the rank yellow cowardice (not to mention discourtesy and unprofessionalism) displayed by all the alarmies who refused to appear on the show, and by the one who did show and refused to debate.
Of course they knew they’d be picked apart if they did debate. And the blatherskite from the electric car company was a wonder to behold, claiming that we aren’t subsidizing his uneconomic, unfunctional and higher-emitting toys because the federal government is picking up the subsidy tab – and of course, all he did was deny the actual figures without offering any proof they were incorrect, with the usual idiocies about “assumptions,” “bias” (!). My, what chutzpah! Hey, Mr. What’s-your-name, just whose money do you think that is, that the feds are subsidizing you with? $7,000 out of the taxpayer’s pocket so rich lefty celebs like Justin Beaver can pay less for a worthless gadget, hey?
I’d be hard put to think of a more obvious and disgusting and venal example of profiteering from AGW scaremongering than this.
James Hansen is willing to undertake civil disobedience to call attention to his concerns, but he shrinks from an opportunity to debate. He gives civil disobedience a bad name.
I thought Gavin did a nice job succinctly stating his points in the face of a series of interruptions from Stossel. I also thought Spencer struck at the heart of the matter saying that no one can quantify what degree of warming is due to carbon dioxide. Gavin’s argument is a little simple. He states, the climate isn’t changing because of volcanoes, it isn’t changing because of the sun, it isn’t changing because of orbital changes, therefore CO2 must be the culprit. Another well moderated debate would be very helpful. The way things are now warmers are hiding behind the skirts of their journal editors. They’ll be ignored if they pass up opportunities to appear on television.
Two things come to mind.
1. Hoist with own petard
2. give them enough rope.
The debate is not nor has ever been about the “science” but about the politics of control. Time to wrest control back to the People.
I retract my above comment about it being a positive that Schmidt was going to appear on Stossel.
I retract based on critiques of Schmidt’s behavior / talk that have been made by some commenters here (mpaul, zootcadillac, Bob, and Tom in Texas) who saw the Stossel’s Show with Schmidt.
John
WUWT TV opportunity knocks!
Dr. Roy, Matt, and Gavin,,,,,, are you willing to put it up on an award winning blog via Skype?
It would be a great and transparent thing to be able to ask you all questions too boot>.
Just sayin, stand up and make your case for all to see, and potentially interact with, in real time……..
No pressure Anthony 🙂
He isn’t going to be depending on the “drunk defense” for his poor performance, is he? Wearing disheveled (untidy; disordered appearance, “looks like he slept in a dumpster last night”) sets the stage for it …
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One of those ‘regional’ things; the same URL can return different IP addresses on occasion, esp, for high-volume content delivery organizations.
On a trace route my last step is:
a23-8-35-153.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com [23.8.35.153]
The IP geolocates to a site in the US in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/23.8.35.153
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Is there a link to the climate portion of the show???