Quote of the Week – Dear Paul Krugman: 'I'll see you in hell'

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Krugman as usual, considers himself to be a judge of other people’s views, morals, and conscience.

I find the column title amusing.

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Here’s what is so amusing and at the same time troubling about his column.

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It makes me wonder if he in fact believes in the soul and the afterlife, rather than Dawkin’s thesis that God is dead which seems to be popular with the left.

After reading Willis Eschenbach’s excellent essay on how global warming alarmism and policy hurts the poor the most, watching Dr. Matt Ridley’s uplifting video on how CO2 is helping to green the planet, seeing Steve McIntyre point out that the latest Marcott hockey stick appears to be either a statistical fabrication or unrealistic data error, and noting Dr. Savory’s simple solution for rolling back how desertifcaton leads to climate change, and knowing that Paul Krugman wouldn’t see any of this as rational skepticsim, but would instead label it a sin, while promoting policies that hamper our economy and personal freedom, weaken our defense, hurt the poor, and won’t make any measurable difference to the outcome, my response becomes quite simple.

Dear Paul Krugman,

I’ll see you in hell.

Sincerely,

Anthony Watts

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rogerknights
March 15, 2013 8:36 pm

A couple of years ago I read online somewhere that “everybody knows” that Krugman’s NYT columns are written by his wife.

Don
March 15, 2013 8:38 pm

or:
My ego’s twice the normal size.

Don
March 15, 2013 8:39 pm

or:
I’ll see the truth when pigs can fly.

Don
March 15, 2013 8:46 pm

or to bring it ’round to Krugman’s original statement:
…You’re a deceiver and you’ll fry.

Matt in Houston
March 15, 2013 8:55 pm

Mr. Krugman is criminally incompetent at best as an economist. As commentary on climate science he is a vapid breeze in the branches of a vast willow tree of buffoons…
Well said Anthony, but I hope you never have to see that clown anywhere especially not in hell.

Gary Hladik
March 15, 2013 9:22 pm

KevinK says (March 15, 2013 at 6:01 pm): ‘Perhaps it’s time to allow a few of those “cranks” to make their case that the “greenhouse effect” has been mischaracterized and it in fact has no effect on the average temperature of the Earth ?’
Been there, done that. For a recent example, check the very long comment thread to this article:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/06/the-r-w-wood-experiment/
Enjoy.

Gary Hladik
March 15, 2013 9:27 pm

Don says (March 15, 2013 at 8:39 pm): “or: I’ll see the truth when pigs can fly.”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-airlines-must-let-passengers-fly-pigs-emotional-support

papertiger
March 15, 2013 9:33 pm

or:
I backed Enron on the sly.

March 15, 2013 9:41 pm

Krugman’s fundamental error is his leap from “This has bad side effects” to “This must be banned.”
He acknowledges that mitigating alternatives like trains reduce the problem, but his preferred approach is to ban it completely. He doesn’t seem to consider that the ban he would impose is a negative externality upon the users that is far greater than the one he seeks to solve.
Nowhere does he consider alternatives such as more roads, work from home, flexitime, etc. which will leave those who want to drive at that time free to drive.
I understand the temptation of his thinking, of course. If I were like Krugman, I’d think the solution to his verbal pollution is to ban it outright.

O.Olson
March 15, 2013 9:51 pm

Hans Erren says:
March 15, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Anthony,
“Hell” is actually a small village near Trondheim Airport in Norway, It freezes over every year.
I laughed when I read this! I’ve been to Hell! And back! For real, in 1991! If I remember right there was a sign on the train station that read “Gods Ekspedisjon”. Really! (If you know a little Norwegian you’ll know the message has nothing to do with religion) Anyway, still laughing….

RockyRoad
March 15, 2013 9:57 pm

Solutions are not what Krugman wants. No, Krugman is only interested in slavery to Big Government for all of us. He’s an acolyte of BG and gets paid accordingly. That’s why he’s self-righteous, pompous, deceitful, and devoid of truth. He’ll do anything and everything his masters ask.
He’s basically sold his soul for a mess of pottage.

March 15, 2013 10:05 pm

Robertv says:
March 15, 2013 at 11:51 am
Schwartz Slams Krugman

Schwartz is ignorant of the fact that his country, Spain, gave up its sovereign currency for a foreign currency, the Euro. What the hell does he expect? He’s a g.d. slave to the EU now, a union of unelected officials without a governing body that can set fiscal policy.

March 15, 2013 10:06 pm

3×2 says:
March 15, 2013 at 7:21 pm
The United States is a country that has its own currency – can’t run out of cash because we print the money.
Oh my. You are in more trouble than you know.

3×2, you don’t understand our monetary system. We are sovereign. This fiction that we can go broke is tantamount to the global warming scaremongering. Educate yourself by investigating.

March 15, 2013 10:08 pm

“Dear Paul Krugman,
I’ll see you in hell.”
No you won’t – you won’t be going there! 😉

Russ R.
March 15, 2013 10:08 pm

I think he forgot a hyphen in the title:
The Con-Science of a Liberal.

SAMURAI
March 15, 2013 10:30 pm

I see Krugman knows as little about climatology as he does about economics, and even less about morality than his combined understanding of economics and climatology.
Don’t you just love the arrogance, elitism, gall and condescension of Liberals?
It’s only surpassed by what i call, leftist irony.

Ed, Mr. Jones
March 15, 2013 10:45 pm

Krugman should be damned glad that Willis never had his fancy caught by . . .
Post WWII – “The Dismal Science”, During Obama – “The Black Hole Science”, Post Obama – “The Extinction Event Science”

March 15, 2013 11:14 pm

Matt in Houston says:
March 15, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Mr. Krugman is criminally incompetent at best as an economist.

You need to do your homework. The problem is that Krugman hasn’t gone for enough. You don’t know zip about the economy, so quit repeating Sean Hannity nonsense. Check out neweconomicperspectives.org.

March 15, 2013 11:17 pm

SAMURAI says:
March 15, 2013 at 10:30 pm
I see Krugman knows as little about climatology as he does about economics

Krugman knows ZERO about the climate. He’s using an operating metaphor that’s false. His knowledge about economics is a moving target.

Ed, Mr. Jones
March 15, 2013 11:20 pm

Oh Well. I’m sorry Anthony’s hearing Issues probably preclude appreciating the foreboding, heavy, low scale Piano Intro to this: Dum – Dah, Dah Dum Dum
Ballad of a Thin Mann
You walk into the room
With your Dataset in your hand
You see somebody measuring
And you say, “Who is that man ?”
You try so hard
But you don’t understand
Just what they’ll say
When you get published.
Because something’s not happening here
And you really wish it was
Don’t you, Mister Mann ?
You raise up your head
And you say, “CO2’s gonna Kill”
And somebody points to you and says
“It Will?”
And you say, “Here’s A Hockey Stick ”
And somebody else says, “You’re Sick”
And you say, “Oh my God
Am I here all alone ?”
Because something’s not happening here
And you really wish it was
Don’t you, Mister Mann ?
You Cash in your Paycheck
And you go watch the geek
Who immediately walks up to you
When he hears you speak
And says, “How does it feel
To be such a freak ?”
And you say, “Mr Vice President?”
As he hands you a Grant.
Because something’s not happening here
And you really wish it was
Don’t you, Mister Mann ?
You have many contacts
Among the Tree-Ring- Jacks
Who make up facts
When someone attacks your imagination
But nobody has any respect
Anyway they already expect
You To all give a check
To Climate-Model-Inventing Organizations.
You’ve been with the PHD’s
And they’ve all liked your looks
With great Alarmists you have
Discussed Deniers and Crooks
You’ve been through all of
AL Gore’s books
You’re not all that well read,
It’s well known.
Because something’s not happening here
And you really wish it was
Don’t you, Mister Mann ?
Well, the Bullshit-Finders, they come up to you
And then they kneel
One is named Willis
Their Minds are like Steel
And without further notice
They ask you how it feels
And say, “Here are your errors back,
Thanks for the loan”.
Because something’s not happening here
And you really wish it was
Don’t you, Mister Mann ?
Now you see this one-Eared Blogger
Shouting the word “What?”
And you say, “For what reason ?”
And he says, “Your Method Sucks”
And you say, “What does this mean ?”
And he screams back, “Show Your Stuff
Give me some proofs
Or else go home”.
Because something’s not happening here
And you really wish it was
Don’t you, Mister Mann ?
Well, you walk into the room
Like a Big-Shot and then you frown
You put your Hockey Stick in your pocket
And your Equations on the ground
There ought to be a law
Against you comin’ around
You should be made
To learn Classical Science Method.
Because something’s not happening here
And you really wish it was
Don’t you, Mister Mann ?

F. Ross
March 15, 2013 11:24 pm

“You can deny global warming (and may you be punished in the afterlife for doing so — this kind of denial for petty personal or political reasons is an almost inconceivable sin). …”

Mr Krugman seems to lack a sense of proportion.
What I mean is that, if denial of global warming is an almost inconceivable sin, then how would Mr. Krugman classify, say Stalin’s purges, Mao’s millions of dead, Pol Pot and the killing fields of Cambodia, or the reign of terror of Idi Amin, Vlad the Impaler, or, of course, the Holocaust?
The list of inhuman acts done by humans to other humans in the name of whatever the current “-‘ism” is, is so long and so terrible that it makes Mr. Krugman’s assertion of “sin” pale to an insignificant act [even if it were true].
Sheesh!

Ed, Mr. Jones
March 16, 2013 12:20 am

Apologies to the Gentleman from Hibbing, Minn., Bob Dylan; ‘Ballad of a Thin Man’.

Ed, Mr. Jones
March 16, 2013 12:32 am

F Ross: “What I mean is that, if denial of global warming is an almost inconceivable sin, . .”
It is, when you’re Hysterical.. . . . . BTW, Where’s Bill Mckibben? Saw him earlier.

E.M.Smith
Editor
March 16, 2013 12:58 am

ZT:
Economics is a very diverse field. Part “hard science” ( the folks doing things like econometrics are at least trying to get to a data driven perspective) and part “modern art” (especially the folks from the Krugman camp who think they can water color the economy to any state they wish). In between there is a very large body of very well proven descriptive science. Things like “elasticity of demand” that defines and measures an effect on demand from changing a related variable, such as price. Very simple. Very clear. Very well proven and even measured.
Sadly, the field also, by definition, encompasses Marxist Communism (as it is an economic system, just a lousy one) and various Socialist Economic Systems (including Lange Type Market Socialism that is the best fit for the United States as of Obama – complete with the hallmark “avoidance of bankruptcy” and turning major enterprises over the the workers as in GM where bondholders got their rights shafted while labor unions got ownership shares and government partial nationalization was used. All defining features of that type.) So we have to learn both the capitalist and the socialist / communist systems / methods or theories.
My degree is in Econ, so I can claim to be an economist. I had to learn both free market capitalism (that doesn’t exist in the world) and communism. Along with the Mixed Economy which is what we have now. ( a half way house of sorts between those two).
So when dealing with the opinion of “An Economist”, you first need to ask: “What type?”. As they can legitimately be anywhere on the spectrum from Full Libertarian Free Market, to Chicago School to Hayek and the Austrians to Samuelson Mixed Economy, and Lange Type Socialist and on to full blown State Marxist Capitalist. All of them are Economists. And, as folks in the USSR did make and distribute stuff they had an economy. (Basically, economics asks and tries to describe / answer “Who makes what for whom?”. If you are doing that, it is an economy. It can be a ‘command economy’ aka communism or a market economy or several other types.)
So since partly it is descriptive of what is done, it must be able to describe what is done in bad systems as much as in good ones. Just like botanists describe species that failed and are extinct or not doing very well. Some even love various pest species. That doesn’t mean botany is not a science…
So please, do not denigrate economics for having socialists and communists in it, trying to describe their bad systems. It’s just part of the job. But do denigrate the economists who can’t tell that they are bad systems…
(BTW, market economics has a lot of fleas too… a couple of years of classes worth… )
policycritic says:
March 15, 2013 at 11:14 pm (Edit)

Matt in Houston says:
March 15, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Mr. Krugman is criminally incompetent at best as an economist.
You need to do your homework. The problem is that Krugman hasn’t gone for enough. You don’t know zip about the economy, so quit repeating Sean Hannity nonsense.

Sirah, I am an economist and IMHO Mr. Krugman is sadly afflicted with broken ideas about economic systems, seriously out of touch with reality of how they function, clueless about markets and real competition, and nearly criminally incompetent in many areas at best as an economist. I have done my homework (many years of it to bag the sheepskin), and have no idea what Sean Hannity has to say on the issue (as he’s not as cute as the lady on the the Business Channel opposite his time slot 😉 In short, I do know about the economy (rather more than most folks will tolerate my “sharing”) and the recommendations of Mr. Krugman are lethal to economic growth, recovery, and stability. They are fun economic theories and fantasies, but disconnected from the real economy.
Oh and “new monetary theory” that you can print your way to prosperity and sovereign debt doesn’t matter is just a load of speculative crap that has repeatedly failed. See Greece for one example. Spain for another. Argentina several times in the last 50 years. Zimbabwe. Germany during hyperinflation. Oh heck, just pick one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Hanke_Krus_Hyperinflation_Table.pdf
I think we’ve tested those theories quite enough to have a reliable answer…

Hungary1 Aug. 1945 Jul. 1946 Jul. 1946 4.19 × 1016% 207% 15.0 hours Pengő Consumer
Zimbabwe2 Mar. 2007 Mid-Nov. 2008 Mid-Nov. 2008 7.96 × 1010% 98.0% 24.7 hours Dollar Implied Exchange
Rate*
Yugoslavia3 Apr. 1992 Jan. 1994 Jan. 1994 313,000,000% 64.6% 1.41 days Dinar Consumer
Republika Srpska†4 Apr. 1992 Jan. 1994 Jan. 1994 297,000,000% 64.3% 1.41 days Dinar Consumer
Germany5 Aug. 1922 Dec. 1923 Oct. 1923 29,500% 20.9% 3.70 days Papiermark Wholesale
Greece6 May. 1941 Dec. 1945 Oct. 1944 13,800% 17.9% 4.27 days Drachma Exchange Rate‡
China§7 Oct. 1947 Mid-May 1949 Apr. 1949 5,070% 14.1% 5.34 days Yuan Wholesale for
Shanghai
Free City of Danzig8 Aug. 1922 Mid-Oct. 1923 Sep. 1923 2,440% 11.4% 6.52 days German Papiermark Exchange Rate**
Armenia9 Oct. 1993 Dec. 1994 Nov. 1993 438% 5.77% 12.5 days Dram & Russian
Ruble Consumer
Turkmenistan††10 Jan. 1992 Nov. 1993 Nov. 1993 429% 5.71% 12.7 days Manat Consumer
Taiwan11 Aug. 1945 Sep. 1945 Aug. 1945 399% 5.50% 13.1 days Yen Wholesale for Taipei
Peru12 Jul. 1990 Aug. 1990 Aug. 1990 397% 5.49% 13.1 days Inti Consumer
Bosnia and
Herzegovina13 Apr. 1992 Jun. 1993 Jun. 1992 322% 4.92% 14.6 days Dinar Consumer
France14 May 1795 Nov. 1796 Mid-Aug. 1796 304% 4.77% 15.1 days Mandat Exchange Rate
China15 Jul. 1943 Aug. 1945 Jun. 1945 302% 4.75% 15.2 days Yuan Wholesale for
Shanghai
Ukraine16 Jan. 1992 Nov. 1994 Jan. 1992 285% 4.60% 15.6 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Poland17 Jan. 1923 Jan. 1924 Oct. 1923 275% 4.50% 16.0 days Marka Wholesale
Nicaragua18 Jun. 1986 Mar. 1991 Mar. 1991 261% 4.37% 16.4 days Córdoba Consumer
Congo (Zaire) 19 Nov. 1993 Sep. 1994 Nov. 1993 250% 4.26% 16.8 days Zaïre Consumer
Russia††20 Jan. 1992 Jan. 1992 Jan. 1992 245% 4.22% 17.0 days Ruble Consumer
Bulgaria21 Feb. 1997 Feb. 1997 Feb. 1997 242% 4.19% 17.1 days Lev Consumer
Moldova22 Jan. 1992 Dec. 1993 Jan. 1992 240% 4.16% 17.2 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Russia / USSR23 Jan. 1922 Feb. 1924 Feb. 1924 212% 3.86% 18.5 days Ruble Consumer
Georgia24 Sep. 1993 Sep. 1994 Sep. 1994 211% 3.86% 18.6 days Coupon Consumer
Tajikistan††25 Jan. 1992 Oct. 1993 Jan. 1992 201% 3.74% 19.1 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Georgia26 Mar. 1992 Apr. 1992 Mar. 1992 198% 3.70% 19.3 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Argentina27 May 1989 Mar. 1990 Jul. 1989 197% 3.69% 19.4 days Austral Consumer
Bolivia28 Apr. 1984 Sep. 1985 Feb. 1985 183% 3.53% 20.3 days Boliviano Consumer
Belarus††29 Jan. 1992 Feb. 1992 Jan. 1992 159% 3.22% 22.2 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Kyrgyzstan††30 Jan. 1992 Jan. 1992 Jan. 1992 157% 3.20% 22.3 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Kazakhstan††31 Jan. 1992 Jan. 1992 Jan. 1992 141% 2.97% 24.0 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Austria32 Oct. 1921 Sep. 1922 Aug. 1922 129% 2.80% 25.5 days Crown Consumer
Bulgaria33 Feb. 1991 Mar. 1991 Feb. 1991 123% 2.71% 26.3 days Lev Consumer
Uzbekistan††34 Jan. 1992 Feb. 1992 Jan. 1992 118% 2.64% 27.0 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Azerbaijan35 Jan. 1992 Dec. 1994 Jan. 1992 118% 2.63% 27.0 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Congo (Zaire)36 Oct. 1991 Sep. 1992 Nov. 1991 114% 2.57% 27.7 days Zaïre Consumer
Peru37 Sep. 1988 Sep. 1988 Sep. 1988 114% 2.57% 27.7 days Inti Consumer
Taiwan38 Oct. 1948 May 1949 Oct. 1948 108% 2.46% 28.9 days Taipi Wholesale for Taipei
Hungary39 Mar. 1923 Feb. 1924 Jul. 1923 97.9% 2.30% 30.9 days Crown Consumer
Chile40 Oct. 1973 Oct. 1973 Oct. 1973 87.6% 2.12% 33.5 days Escudo Consumer
Estonia††41 Jan. 1992 Feb. 1992 Jan. 1992 87.2% 2.11% 33.6 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Angola42 Dec. 1994 Jan. 1997 May 1996 84.1% 2.06% 34.5 days Kwanza Consumer
Brazil43 Dec. 1989 Mar. 1990 Mar. 1990 82.4% 2.02% 35.1 days Cruzado & Cruzeiro Consumer
Democratic Republic
of Congo44 Aug. 1998 Aug. 1998 Aug. 1998 78.5% 1.95% 36.4 days Franc Consumer
Poland45 Oct. 1989 Jan. 1990 Jan. 1990 77.3% 1.93% 36.8 days Złoty Consumer
Armenia††46 Jan. 1992 Feb. 1992 Jan. 1992 73.1% 1.85% 38.4 days Russian Ruble Wholesale
Tajikistan47 Oct. 1995 Nov. 1995 Nov. 1995 65.2% 1.69% 42.0 days Ruble Wholesale
Latvia48 Jan. 1992 Jan. 1992 Jan. 1992 64.4% 1.67% 42.4 days Russian Ruble Consumer
Turkmenistan††49 Nov. 1995 Jan. 1996 Jan. 1996 62.5% 1.63% 43.4 days Manat Consumer
Philippines50 Jan. 1944 Dec. 1944 Jan. 1944 60.0% 1.58% 44.9 days Japanese War Notes Consumer
Yugoslavia51 Sep. 1989 Dec. 1989 Dec. 1989 59.7% 1.57% 45.1 days Dinar Consumer
Germany52 Jan. 1920 Jan. 1920 Jan. 1920 56.9% 1.51% 46.8 days Papiermark Wholesale
Kazakhstan53 Nov. 1993 Nov. 1993 Nov. 1993 55.5% 1.48% 47.8 days Tenge & Russian
Ruble Consumer
MangoChutney
March 16, 2013 1:28 am

so somebody who believes there is an afterlife, worships at the Church of cAGW – no surprise there >;-)~