Slow Drift in Thermoregulated Emergent Systems

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

In my last post, “Emergent Climate Phenomena“, I gave a different paradigm for the climate. The current paradigm is that climate is a system in which temperature slavishly follows the changes in inputs. Under my paradigm, on the other hand, natural thermoregulatory systems constrain the temperature to vary within a narrow range. In the last century, for example, the temperature has varied only about ± 0.3°C, which is a temperature variation of only about a tenth of one percent. I hold that this astonishing stability, in a system whose temperature is controlled by something as fickle and variable as clouds and wind, is clear evidence that there is a strong thermostatic mechanism, or more accurately a host of interlocking thermostatic mechanisms, controlling the temperature.

emergent school of fishFigure 1. The behavior of flocks of birds and schools of fish are emergent phenomena.

However, this brings up a new question—although the change in temperature is quite small, with changes of only a few tenths of a percent per century, less than a degree, sometimes the global average temperature has been rising, and sometimes falling.

So what are some of the things that might be causing these slow, century or millennia long drifts in temperature? Is it changes in the sun? I think that the explanation lies elsewhere than the sun, and here’s why.

The temperature control system I describe above, based on the timing and duration of the onset and existence of emergent temperature phenomena, is temperature based. It is not based on the amount of forcing (downwelling solar and greenhouse radiation).

By that I mean that the control system starts to kick in when the local temperature rises above the critical level for cloud emergence. As a result, by and large the global average temperature of the planet is relatively indifferent to variations in the level of the forcing, whether from the sun, from CO2, from volcanoes, or any other reason. That’s why meteors and volcanoes have come and gone and the temperature just goes on. Remember that at the current temperature, the system variably rejects about a quarter of the available incoming solar energy through reflections off of clouds. We could be a whole lot hotter than we are now, and we’re not …

This means that the system is actively regulating the amount of incoming solar energy to maintain the temperature within bounds. It doesn’t disturb the control system that the solar forcing is constantly varying from a host of factors, from dust and volcanoes to 11 and 22 year solar cycles. The thermoregulation system is not based on how much energy there is available from the sun or from CO2. The resulting temperature is not based on the available forcing, we know there’s more than enough forcing available to fry us. It is set instead by the unchanging physics of wind and wave and pressure and most of all temperature that regulates when clouds form … so when the sun goes up a bit, the clouds go up a bit, and balance is maintained.

And this, in turn, is my explanation of why it is so difficult to find any strong, clear solar signal in the temperature records. Oh, you can find hints, and bits, a weak correlation to this or that, but overall those sun-climate correlations, which under the current paradigm should show visible effects, are very hard to find. I hold that this shows that in general, global average temperature is not a function of the forcing. The sun waxes and wanes, the volcanoes go off for centuries, meteors hit the earth … and the clouds simply adjust to return us to the same thermal level. And this weak dependence of output on input is exactly what we would expect in any significantly complex system.

So if the sun is not guilty of causing the slow drift in global average surface temperature over the centuries, what other possible defendants might we haul before the bar?

Well, the obvious suspects would include anything that affects the timing and duration of the onset and existence of clouds, or their albedo (color). Unfortunately, cloud formation is a complex and poorly understood process. Water droplets in clouds form around a “nucleus”, some kind of particle. This can be sea salt, dust, organic materials, aerosols, a variety of types and species of microorganisms, black carbon, there are a host of known participants with no clear evidence on how or why they vary, or what effects they have when they do vary.  Here’s a quote from the abstract of a 2013 scientific paper, emphasis mine:

The composition and prevalence of microorganisms in the middle-to-upper troposphere (8–15 km altitude) and their role in aerosol-cloud-precipitation interactions represent important, unresolved questions for biological and atmospheric science. In particular, airborne microorganisms above the oceans remain essentially uncharacterized, as most work to date is restricted to samples taken near the Earth’s surface. SOURCE

Here’s another example:

Cumulus clouds result from the ascent of moist air parcels. An unresolved issue in cloud physics is why observed cumulus cloud droplet spectra even in the core of cumulus clouds are broader than the spectra predicted by cloud droplet nucleation and condensational growth in adiabatically ascending parcels (Pruppacher and Klett, 1997). SOURCE

Cumulus clouds are one of the most common types on earth and we don’t even understand cloud nucleation there. The problem is that the size and composition of atmospheric aerosols, and the complex interaction between those aerosols and the various organic and inorganic atmospheric chemicals, ions, free radicals, and natural and man-made particles, plus variations in the type and amount of microbial populations of the atmosphere, plus the ability of one chemical to adsorb onto and totally change the surface properties of another substance, all have the potential to affect both the timing and the duration of both cloud formation and precipitation, along with cloud optical properties. As such, they would have to be strong contenders for any century-scale (and perhaps shorter-scale) drifts in temperature.

Another possible cause for the slow drift might be the proposed cosmic ray connection, sun’s magnetic field –> cosmic ray variations –> changes in cloud nucleation rate. I see no theoretical reason it couldn’t work under existing laws of physics, I made a “cloud chamber” as a kid to see radioactivity come off of a watch. However, one difficulty with this cosmic ray connection is that the records have been combed pretty extensively for sun/climate links, and we haven’t found any strong correlations between the sun and climate. We see weak correlations, but nothing stands out. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist, but it may be indicative of their possible strength … or as always, indicative of our lack of knowledge …

Another cause might be the effect on thunderstorms of gradual changes in the earth’s electromagnetic fields. Thunderstorms have a huge (think lightning bolts) and extremely poorly understood electromagnetic complement. They serve an incredibly complex electromagnetic circuit that  couples the atmosphere and the surface. It ties them together electromagnetically from the “sprites”  that form when thunderstorms push high above the surrounding tropopause, and from there in various ways through dimly glimpsed channels the electromagnetic current runs down to and up from the ground. Thunderstorms also are independent natural electrical Van de Graaf machines, stripping electrons in one part of the thunderstorm, transporting them miles away, and reuniting them in a thunderous electrical arc. We have no idea what things like the gradual changes in the location of the Magnetic Poles and alterations in the magnetosphere or variations in the solar wind might do to the timing and duration of thunderstorms, so we have to include slow alterations in the global magnetic and electrical fields in the list of possibilities, perhaps only because we understand so little about them.

The next possibility for slow changes involves the idea of bifurcation points. Let me take the alteration between the two states of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation as an example. In each of the states of the PDO, we have a quasi-stable (for decades) configuration of ocean currents. At some point in time, for unclear reasons, that configuration of ocean currents changes, and is replaced by an entirely different quasi-stable (for decades) state. In other words, somewhere in there is a bifurcation point in the annual ebb and flow of the currents, and at some point in time, the currents take the path not recently travelled and as a result, the whole North Pacific shifts to the other state.

Now, even in theory one of these two state has to be more efficient than the other in the great work of the heat engine we call the climate. That great work is moving energy from the equator to the poles. And in fact there is a distinct difference, one of the two states is called the “warm” state and the other is called the “cool” state.

Intuitively, it would seem that IF for whatever reason the Pacific Decadal Oscillation stayed permanently in one state or the other, that the world would end up either warmer overall or cooler overall. Let me explain why I don’t think the PDO or the El Nino/La Nina or the North Atlantic Oscillations are responsible for slow drifts in the regulated temperature.

The reason is that just like the thunderstorms, all of those are emergent phenomena of the system. Take the PDO as an example. Looking at the Pacific Ocean, you’d never say “I bet the North Pacific stays warm for decade after decade, and then there’s a great shift, all of the sea life changes, the winds change, the very currents change, and then it will be cold for decade after decade”. No way you’d guess that, it’s emergent.

And because they are emergent systems, I hold that they too are a part of the interconnected thermal regulation system, which in my view includes short term emergent systems (daily thunderstorms), longer term (multi monthly Madden Julian oscillations), longer term (clouds cooling in summer and warming in winter), longer term (3-5 years El Nino/La Nina), and longer term (multidecadal PDO, AMO) emergent systems of all types all working to maintain a constant temperature, with many more uncounted.

And as a result, I would hold that none of those emergent systems would be a cause of slow drift. To the contrary, I would expect that they would work the other way, to counteract slow drift and prevent overheating.

Moving on, here’s an off-the-wall possibility for human induced change—oil on the global oceans. It only takes the thinnest, almost monomolecular layer of oil on water to change the surface tension, and we’ve added lots of it. This reduces evaporation in two ways. It reduces evaporation directly by reducing the amount of water in contact with the air.

The second way is by preventing the formation of breaking waves, spray, and spume (sea foam). Spray of any kind greatly increases the water surface available for evaporation, depending on windspeed. Remember that evaporation due to wind speed is the way that the thunderstorm is able to sustain itself. So when the amount of area evaporating is decreased by ten or twenty percent due to lack of spray, that will commensurately decrease the evaporation, and thus affect the timing of the onset and the duration of thunderstorms.

OK, you gotta love this. I thought “time for more research” after writing the last paragraph, and I find this:

Sailors who traditionally dumped barrels of oil into the sea to calm stormy waters may have been on to something, a new study suggests. The old practice reduces wind speeds in tropical hurricanes by damping ocean spray, according to a new mathematical “sandwich model”.

As hurricane winds kick up ocean waves, large water droplets become suspended in the air. This cloud of spray can be treated mathematically as a third fluid sandwiched between the air and sea. “Our calculations show that drops in the spray decrease turbulence and reduce friction, allowing for far greater wind speeds – sometimes eight times as much,” explains researcher Alexandre Chorin at the University of California at Berkeley, US.

He believes the findings shed light on an age-old sea ritual. “Ancient mariners poured oil on troubled waters – hence the expression – but it was never very clear what this accomplished,” says Chorin. Since oil inhibits the formation of drops, Chorin thinks the strategy would have increased the drag in the air and successfully decreased the intensity of the squalls.

SOURCE

Hmmm … good scientists, not such good sailors. As scientists, I’d say they only have part of the answer. They should also run a calculation on the increase of the evaporative area due to the spray, and then consider that the hurricane runs on evaporation. That’s why they die out over the land, no moisture. Cut down the spray, put oil on the water, cut down the evaporation, cut down the power of the storms. And just like you get sweatier and hotter if a muggy day prevents evaporation, the same is true of the ocean. If you cut down evaporation, it will get warmer.

Of course, the counter-argument to the oil-on-the-water cuts evaporation and warms the ocean hypothesis was World War II. It put more oil into all of the oceans of the world than at any time before or since, and during the war in general the world was quite cold … dang fact, they always get in the way.

Having said that, as a blue-water man I can assure you that the authors of that claim are not sailors. Sailors don’t dump oil in the water to lower the wind speed, that’s a landlubber fantasy. They do it because it prevents waves from breaking and drops and spray from forming, so it can help in rough conditions. It doesn’t take much, you’d be surprise at the effect it has. You soak a rag in motor oil and tow it a ways behind the boat when you are drifting downwind. If the Coast Guard catches you, you’ll get a ticket for causing a sheen on the water and rightly so, but if it saves your life once, it’s probably worth it. Heck, when you’re caught in a big offshore blow, if it just has a placebo effect and reduces your personal pucker factor, its probably worth it … but I digress.

One thing is clear, however. The climate has been on a slow drift up and down and up and down, warm in Roman times, cold in the Dark Ages, warm in the Middle Ages, cold in the Little Ice Age, warm now … so while humans may indeed play some part the post-1940’s drift (down, then up, now level), it’s likely not a big part or we would have seen it by now … and in any case if we did have an effect, we still don’t know how.

I want to close by noting the power of the paradigm. If the paradigm is that greenhouse gases are the likely reason for slow climate drift because you assert (curiously and incorrectly) that temperature slavishly follows forcing, then you will look for variations in all the things that affect those GHGs.

But once the paradigm shifts to describing the climate as composed of interlocking active thermoregulatory mechanisms, we find ourselves with a range of entirely different and credible candidates for slow drift that are untouched and uninvestigated. It may be something above, or something I haven’t even considered, the change in plankton affecting the clouds or something.

This is why the claim that we have identified the “major forcings” as being say CO2 and methane and such ring hollow. Those are only the major players within the current paradigm. The problem is, that paradigm cannot explain a system so tightly thermoregulated that over the last century, the global average surface temperature only varied by ± one tenth of a percent … engineers, please correct me if I’m wrong, but given volcanoes and aerosols and the like that is a record that any control systems engineer would be proud of, and it is done with things as ephemeral as clouds. To me, that fact alone proves that the earth has a thermostat, and a dang precise one for that matter. A truly wondrous and marvel-filled planet indeed.

In friendship and exploration of the aforesaid marvels,

w.

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DirkH
February 9, 2013 2:55 pm

phlogiston says:
February 9, 2013 at 12:17 pm

“feet2thefire says:
February 9, 2013 at 11:01 am
[Sorry for this being so long…]

How do stem cells know what type cells to become? DNA is a Reductionist fundamental. But stem cells are directed by something to become one type of cell in one part of the body and another in another part of the body, and can be ANY type of cell.”

See the work of Nobel Laureate Christiane Nüsslein-Volhard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCsslein-Volhard

Robert of Ottawa
February 9, 2013 3:23 pm

ferdberple says February 8, 2013 at 9:17 pm
This is pretty much Lovelock’s Gaia Hypothesis, which I don’t buy as “life” is not a coherent entity.
Also, do not forget that there have been occasional massive swings in “global temperature”. I think it is more important to explain those great variations, rather than the general stability.

phlogiston
February 9, 2013 4:03 pm

DirkH
Feb 9, 2:55 pm
Christiane Nusslein-Volhard is without doubt a truly great geneticist, her association with the astonishing homeobox genes alone will ensure her immortality.

hmccard
February 9, 2013 4:10 pm

The 2013 split in the polar vortex seems to support your reasoning. The 2013 split in the polar vortex

February 9, 2013 5:27 pm

Many thanks for this. I’m seriously impressed. Over the last decade, thinking about climate has been constrained by the way grants and publications affect careers. There aren’t many researchers willing to broaden their speculations like you’ve done above. The usual suspects will no doubt roll their eyes and get stuck into polishing their next predictions of doom and gloom. So be it. Anyone who’s genuinely curious about how climate works, though, will be intrigued by your suggestions. And it’ll only take a few to start building a theory around your speculation. Seriously, this sort of thinking is very much appreciated. It gives us hope.

Kev-in-Uk
February 9, 2013 5:36 pm

Gail Combs says:
February 9, 2013 at 7:52 am
that’s kinda the thermal inertia point – that only the near surface millimetres and lower atmosphere suffer significant temperature changes and these temperatures (or more accurately their energy levels) are replenished by the sun in the daytime, and heat content of the land and oceans during the night (or at anytime the air temp drops below the level of the underlying strata). Hence, caves remain at amazingly stable temperatures. Ditto for the deep oceans but of course in oceans we have much more variaton due to subsea currents etc – but in terms of the ocean heat content/capacity – if you could average the temperature (much like we cannot average the surface air temps!) it would likely remain very static.
Willis Eschenbach says:
February 9, 2013 at 12:25 pm
>>The naked claim of “inertia” goes nowhere, because there is no mechanism involved to bring the planet back on course<<
You astounded me here but I think it is because we are at crossed lines?
I didn't think I was hand waving and I didn't think it would need further explanation. Of course there is a mechanism for the thermal inertia to bring the temperatures back on course – it's called heat transfer via conduction and in fluids/gases, it's called convection? Seriously, what else did you think it could be? A meteor strike (lets call it a medium sized one) will generate any
number of local changes to the climate system at that point – but lets concentrate solely on temperature – and assume that a few megatons or so of 'energy' is chucked up into the air and ignore all other effects (such as albedo changes, etc). Obviously this warms the air, which then transfers this energy to adjacent air, sea, land, etc, when the dust settles, this also transfers some 'heat' back to the ground/sea, etc. Now, I don't know the actual total thermal content or
capacity of the oceans for example – but I'd guess it is incredibly large and would take an awful lot of energy to heat it up (or cool it down) significantly? – hence, it acts (in the case of a meteor strike or other sudden energy input) as a 'sink', thereby spreading the energy out over its vast resources over some period of time. Why is that not a mechanism?
Anyone who has left the bathwater in for a long time knows how long it takes to cool – or, if they are as old as me, and had to top up a cool bath from a kettle – how many kettles are required to bring the heat back up. Now consider the oceans as a bloody big bath!
I assume you are familiar with night storage heaters, particularly the ones with fan assisted air circulation passing over heated bricks? You might just like to think of the Earths surface as a bloody big storage heater, and the Climate (as we know it) is the air moving around over the bricks. if the circulating air is hotter than the bricks, it will warm the bricks – if it's cooler it will cool the bricks – yes? Now, bolt a tank of water next to the bricks and you have a model 'ocean' – which the circulating air can pass over too!
you also said:
Here’s the thing. Steven is making two different claims:
1. The temperature is a linear function of the forcing.
2. The temperature can’t move up or down much, because “inertia” keeps it within a tenth of a percent over a century.
I can't speak for Moshers claims but I do think you are conflating measured air
temperatures with the massive thermal inertia of the planet (?) which can affect those air temperatures. I do not agree with the supposition that temperature has a linear relationship to
forcing – at least not in the concept of the massive thermal mass/inertia I am discussing here which can only really change over millenial timescales. What we are measuring (in terms of air temps) is the moving layer above the 'real' surface which comprises the sea and land. So, sure, a forcing change, eg from the sun, could/does cause a rise in that air temperature if and because
a: the forcing change is significant enough to cause a measurable change
and b: because the air mass being heated (or cooled) is relatively small (compared to the thermal mass of the oceans/land)
hence a temp/forcing relationship may well be expected to be linear to a small thermal mass i.e. the air (if all other factors are fairly static)
However that forcing change is minor compared to the total heat content of the land and sea, and would need to be sustained for an awful long time for it to be subsequently transferred to the sea/land surface and thence to the 'depths'. This, of course is the reason we have massive diurnal variation, but limited 'net' variation in average temperature – which I presume is what the second claim is considering?

February 9, 2013 5:56 pm

Stephen Skinner says:
February 9, 2013 at 4:40 am
Is it only clouds? The highest heat ever recorded was about 57C, which I expect would have been under a blue sky with the sun overhead.

The highest surface temperatures on Earth occur in the monsoonal zones (and the very hottest in below sea level depressions in these zones).
Perhaps once a year, here in Perth we get a similar phenomena and those are always our hottest days (over 40C). What happens is the monsoon rains reach the interior north east of here, then we get winds from the north east. Normally these winds are hot and dry, but after the interior rains the winds are hot and humid. Temperatures are 3C to 5C hotter than a dry NE wind day, and the nights even hotter. This BTW, convinces me the water vapour GHE is real and substantial.
The interesting part is that on these hot humid days we normally have horizon to horizon blue skies all day. Substantial convection must be occuring, and the missing component for those towering cumulonimbus clouds is humidity above the ground. There is not enough of it to form clouds.
In monsoon zones they talk about the ‘build up’ to the monsoon and what they are referring to is the build up of humidity drawn from the humid tropics necessary to form clouds and then precipitation. Were these zones to get hotter it would just draw in more humid tropical air faster, and the monsoon arrive earlier.
So, to add to Willis’s analysis. Not only is there local scale thermoregulation from thunderstorms, there is regional scale thermoregulation in the monsoon process.

Theo Goodwin
February 9, 2013 6:20 pm

Anyone who is bothered by Willis’ emphasis on “emergent phenomena” can ignore it. Willis’ first rate description of how clouds and thunderstorms form and how such phenomena affect temperature is chock full of descriptions of natural regularities sometimes explicitly described and sometimes implicitly described. These natural regularities, along with many others, are what will make up a mature climate science in a hundred years or so.
Climate scientists should move their funds from supercomputers to empirical research on the phenomena that Willis has described. Willis does not have the resources to undertake the systematic work of formulating hypotheses, deducing detailed consequences, testing them, revising them and repeating. However, he has the best ideas in climate science.
Willis wants to treat thunderstorms and related phenomena as control mechanisms. I have no problem with that. It is an idea that organizes the empirical work nicely. We should not delay the empirical work while we worry about the metaphysics of emergence and control mechanisms.
I have said for years that Mosher would not recognize an empirical hypothesis if it bit him. I am sure that he will prove me correct in his discussion of Willis’ work. Expect Mosher to draw down upon us all the wrath of Trenberthian “radiation only theory,” the supercomputer, and statistical trends that override the data that they are based on.

otsar
February 9, 2013 6:26 pm

Willis,
I use the mental heat pipe model as a very simple model for the entire atmosphere/hydrosphere. The heat is deposited at the low latitudes and dumped at the high latitudes with losses in between. The height of the pipe is about 20 Km, with a length of 10K Km. The physical properties (enthalpy, phase changes, etc) of the major working fluid determines the stable point, and ability to regulate temperature. When the heat gradient builds up, the transport velocity increases and attempts to even out the heat distribution. The heat distribution affects the atmospheric column vertically and horizontally. Vertically the condensation of water vapor radiates some of the heat out to space. Horizontally the heat is transported to colder regions where additional mechanisms radiate the heat out to space. I also think of the atmosphere/hydrosphere as two loosely coupled heat pipes: the fast heat pipe being the atmosphere with low thermal/mass inertia and the slow one being the oceanic circulation with high thermal/mass inertia. The bottom line is that heat is deposited at low latitudes and radiated out to space at high latitudes with losses in between. The heat is transported by mass transfer, induced by gravity/density gradients, produced by the heat. Decreasing the ability of the system to radiate out to space (“green house gases”) will increase the transport velocity and move the area where heat is radiated out to space towards higher latitudes. The green house gases, of which water is the major one, are the equivalent of wrapping some thermal insulating tape on the heat pipe in the middle, in this model.

thisisnotgoodtogo
February 9, 2013 8:22 pm

Willis,
An interesting sub-plot would be a more in depth analysis on fish schooling vs. shoaling and how the mechanisms work.
Shoaling fish swim around together.
It’s said that schooling fish swim together and also align themselves with the others’ orientation – but certain fish in the group that have less strong behaviour in that regard, and are the ones which lead change in group orientation. The obvious fun is had by equating less strong schooling behaviour with less intelligence – the stupidest fish is the leader.
You might appreciate Kevin Kelly’s concept of “distributed being.”
” There are two extreme ways to structure “moreness.” At one extreme, you can construct a system as a long string of sequential operations, such as we do in a meandering factory assembly line. The internal logic of a clock as it measures off time by a complicated parade of movements is the archetype of a sequential system. Most mechanical systems follow the clock.
At the other far extreme, we find many systems ordered as a patchwork of parallel operations, very much as in the neural network of a brain or in a colony of ants. Action in these systems proceeds in a messy cascade of interdependent events. Instead of the discrete ticks of cause and effect that run a clock, a thousand clock springs try to simultaneously run a parallel system. ”
and WUWT readers will enjoy title on this: “Hive Mind”
http://www.kk.org/outofcontrol/ch2-f.html

markx
February 9, 2013 8:31 pm

Willis said: ..“… Moving on, here’s an off-the-wall possibility for human induced change—oil on the global oceans. It only takes the thinnest, almost monomolecular layer of oil on water to change the surface tension, and we’ve added lots of it. This reduces evaporation in two ways. It reduces evaporation directly by reducing the amount of water in contact with the air..”
It is a remarkable thing that the “WW2 SST glitch” has been so readily written off as a “glitch”.
Most of the merchant shipping losses were in the Atlantic regions (maps of each sinking here):
http://www.secondworldwar.org.uk/merchantnavy.html Maps of 1942 losses here (amazing, worth a look, puts it in perspective)
US merchant shipping losses here in detail: http://www.usmm.org/shipsunkdamaged.html ” … the U.S. Merchant Marine suffered the highest rate of casualties of any service in World War II. Officially, a total of 1,554 ships were sunk due to war conditions…”
…more here… http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/merchant_navy_losses.htm
Details of US Merchant ship losses here: http://www.usmm.org/shipsunkdamaged.html (an amazing number were sunk along the east coasts of the Americas).
Perhaps the greatest numbers of naval losses were in the Pacific? – Here are US losses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Navy_losses_in_World_War_II
More here… http://usspennsylvania.org/NavalLosses.htm
This is very incomplete, there are many other links, but my connection is too slow, more so than usual today…..
By the way, I did not realize how poorly treated these sailors were early in the war… terrible stuff:

Should a sailor go down with his ship, the relatives would, unless the sailor was a crewman of a more generous shipping line, receive no pay from the day he died. A sailor who spent 10 days in a lifeboat wrote:
“…as soon as you got torpedoed on them ships your money was stopped right away. That’s the truth. Everybody kicked up a bit ‘cos you couldn’t walk about with nothing in your pockets, could you, let’s be fair – and all the rum shops were open! Only thing they give us was our clothes….we couldn’t walk about naked, could we? Well, we felt devastated because you didn’t think they’d ever treat you like that. Because they treated you like you were an underrated citizen, although you were doing your bit for your country, know what I mean? It’s hard to think what you been through and what you were doing…and they treat you like that. What did we get? Didn’t get no life, did we. I even had to fight for me pension, me state pension. ”
Protests by Seamen and Trade Unions alike were paid no heed until May 1941 when the Essential Work Order came into force. The 4th Engineer on board the Canonesa, Tom Purnell, earned £15 10s per month plus a war risk payment of £5 per month. His last journey began on 26th July and ended with his death on 21st September he was paid £38 19s before deductions. His Account of Wages, signed by the ships Captain, gives the following gruesome details:
Date Wages Began: 26th July 1940 and Date Wages Ceased as 21st September 1940.
Not a penny more than was necessary was paid. As one writer noted:
“These were the men… upon whom Great Britain called for a life-line during the years of war, and these were the men whose contract ended when the torpedo struck. For the owners had protected their profits to the very end ; a seaman’s wages ended when his ship went down, no matter where, how, or in what horror.” http://www.secondworldwar.org.uk/merchantnavy.html

Barry R
February 9, 2013 8:49 pm

It seems to me that we’re ignoring the elephant in the room, or in this case, the whale. We’re acting as though ocean processes remain unchanged when you drastically reduce populations of the biggest single creatures in the ocean.
Now it’s possible that taking whales largely out of the equation had no temperature-significant impact on the oceans, but I find that hard to believe. We’re talking creatures that
– dive to great depth, probably transporting some amounts of heat with them to lower levels, keeping the water at various levels of the ocean more mixed than it would otherwise be.
– spray large amounts of salt water and particulates into the air over the ocean when they spout.
– have a huge impact on plankton
– sequester (at least temporarily) huge amounts of carbon at the bottom of the ocean when they die and their carcasses sink
– provide food for the little-known ecosystems at the bottom of the ocean when they die.
There is bound to be some impact. Whether it’s significant or not, I don’t know, but it’s something that needs to get looked at.

Barry R
February 9, 2013 8:52 pm

Following up on that:
For that matter, what impact does overfishing in general have on ocean temperature-related process? Probably a lot, much of it subtle and twisty. There was an experiment back in the late 1980s where scientists introduced bass to some lakes but didn’t in others and discovered that the presence or absence of the bass caused CO2 emissions from the lakes to vary by about five percent. Apparently, the bass ate slightly smaller fish, which in turn ate even smaller fish that ate plankton feeders. As I recall it, bass equaled more small plankton-feeders, which meant less plankton and more CO2 emissions. Does something similar happen in over-fished oceans? It would be interesting to find out.
I did come across one person who argued that overfishing was a major factor in CO2 balance, and claimed that the cold World War II years were the result of a temporary recovery in fish stocks because of a drastic drop in fishing during the war years, but I wasn’t too impressed with the evidence offered. Nevertheless, it’s an avenue for research.
Then you have nitrogen runoff from farming, which can cause huge plankton blooms. What does that do to ocean processes?
It seems to me that industrial CO2 has become the scape-goat for a lot of other ecologically unsound practices that are bound to have some impact on how planetary systems work.

markx
February 9, 2013 9:20 pm

Re the inertia issue:
Always worth casting an eye down the list of specific heat capacity of various substances; in that regard there is nothing else quite like water on this planet, in its huge heat capacity, its fairly high density, its sheer quantity, and its ‘pooling’ in huge concise masses. Not to mention its other quirks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_capacity
See “Table of specific heat capacities at 25 °C (298 K) …”

February 9, 2013 9:28 pm

A very thought provoking article. I would say, though, that after the great oceanic heat sink, followed by the effects of Terra Firma, clouds/greenhouse gases enjoy an important tertiary thermostatic effect and with their abundant water content, a prompter acting regulatory one.
I work with finely engineered heat/pressure systems, and extrapolating from them to the earth’s atmospheric system, I am gaining an appreciation for the thermal/pressure gradients between the polar regions and the equator. When the earth is at aphelion, at its maximum point of precession, and its orbital eccentricity takes it furthest from the sun, there will be considerably less solar insolation in the polar latitudes causing larger thermal/pressure gradients between the poles and the equator, thus causing greatly enhanced moisture advection from the equator toward the polar regions, and that coupled with the diminished temperatures at higher latitudes, an increase in ice accumulation.

tobias
February 9, 2013 9:29 pm

Really liked the article as I do many on this site it reinforces my reasons why I play golf!

William Astley
February 9, 2013 9:41 pm

In reply to feet2thefire and to Leif Svalgaard
feet2thefire says:
February 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Astley February 9, 2013 at 10:58 am: –
Your third link had an interesting feature, the alignment of solar max with the solar polar field strength. The solar max generally comes during the weakest portion of the solar polar field strength…
William:
I need to be more specific, less cryptic.
As solar cycle 24 develops there will be observational evidence to validate or reject the hypothesis stated below. I am presenting an outline of the hypothesis as I believe there will be observational evidence to support it. If there is no observation evidence to support this hypothesis, there will be nothing more to discuss.
Based on the paleo record and the current solar observations it appears, if I understand the mechanisms and what is currently happening to the sun, we are going to experience a Heinrich event.
If you look at my above comment there is a link to a series of papers which notes there is a cyclic 1500 year climate change that correlates with cosmogenic isotope changes and there is a 6000 to 8000 year abrupt climate change (Heinrich event) that also correlates with solar magnetic cycle changes. I have also provided links in this forum to papers that note there are archeomagnetic field changes (earth’s geomagnetic field abruptly changes in orientation by 10 to 15 degrees that correlate with the cyclic gradual climate changes and there are geomagnetic excursions (geomagnetic field intensity drops by a factor of 3 to 5) that correlate with glacial/interglacial termination.) I have roughly a couple of hundred papers concerning the mechanism by which it hypothesized that a restart to the solar magnetic cycle after the solar magnetic cycle has been interrupted causes the cyclic Heinrich event on the earth. The orbital configuration of the earth when the solar magnetic cycle restart occurs determines/modulates how the solar cycle restart affects the geomagnetic field. It is the geomagnetic field change that causes the abrupt climate change and the long term climate change.
Leif Svalgaard mentioned the self dynamo mechanism and stated that it is not possible for the self dynamo mechanism if it is interrupted to restart. That comment is correct.
I noted however that solar magnetic field and earth’s magnetic field are not created by a self dynamo mechanism.
Svalgaard asked me to elaborate. This is an outline for a general forum which is concerned with climate change, not astrophysics. I can present a detailed nuanced logical argument to support the assertion using astrophysical observations and solar observations. There are groups of astrophysics specialists that are working on a theory line to explain sets of astrophysical anomalous observations that leads to this same mechanism. The mechanism is fundamental to the properties and evolution of spiral galaxies and large scale cosmological structure. It has been found that spiral galaxy properties are not random, that they are tightly controlled by a single parameter. It has been found that spiral galaxy evolve in a controlled manner with time. It has been found that quasar maximum and minimum luminosity vary in a controlled manner with redshift which is not physically possible with the standard quasar model, and so on.
An electric current will be induced in a rotating conductive disc if the conductive disc passes through a magnetic field. That is a dynamo. A self exciting dynamo is a theoretical entity. It does not exist in reality. A self exciting dynamo is hypothesized to create its own magnetic field. (i.e. The self exciting dynamo is assumed to have an initial magnetic field at the time the object forms. That initial magnetic field is hypothesized to be sustained by convection motion of the conductive fluid. Experimentally and theoretically that is physically impossible, within a few million years (earth) or with a 100 million years (sun) the self dynamo magnetic field drops to zero.
Let’s set up a mind experiment to try to understand a self generating dynamo. Imagine a boiling pot of salt water on the stove; now place a very strong permanent magnetic into the boiling pot of water. There will be an electric current generated in the boiling water which will resist the conductive motion of the salt water and that will resist the magnetic field of the strong permanent magnetic. Remove the permanent magnetic. The electric field in the boil water will decay to zero. The reason the magnetic field drops to zero is the current generated in the conductive salt water opposes the motion of the fluid and opposes the induced magnetic field and there is energy dissipated in conductive fluid to the resistance of the fluid to the electrical current flow. Maxwell’s equations resist changes. There is a counter emf generated.
This specific experiment has been done with liquid sodium in a lab with a rotating sphere to replicate the convection movement in the earth and the rotation of the earth. When the permanent magnetic/external electromagnetic was removed the field in the experiment decayed to zero.
The theoretical computer simulations of the earth’s magnetic field also decay to zero, if the simulation is run to simulate millions of years.
The geomagnetic field and solar magnetic field are not generated by self exciting dynamos. Cyclic solar changes create a charge in balance in the sun which creates the solar magnetic field and which creates the geomagnetic field.
Massive objects when they collapse create a counter acting force which arrests the collapse. The object that forms when a super nova collapses or any other massive object collapses is an active object. There are a series of published papers that discuss quasar observational anomalies that support this assertion.
An observation that would support the above assertion is the luminosity and the spectrum of comet Ison. First pass comet based on historical observations before the space age and modern telescopes are rumored to be much brighter than physically possible if the comet luminosity has caused by the solar wind striking the comet gas.
http://www.space.com/19656-comet-ison-nasa-spacecraft-photos.html
Comet ISON has been the focus of much anticipation among scientists and stargazers because of its potential to put on a spectacular display in late November, when it makes its closest approach to the sun. Some forecasts predict the comet could shine brighter than the full moon. As of mid-January, the comet’s tail was more than 40,000 miles (64,400 km).
A NASA spacecraft has captured its first photos of comet ISON, an icy wanderer that some scientists say could dazzle as a “comet of the century” when it swings through the inner solar system later this year.
William: Gregory Ryskin hypothesis that the ocean currents are fundamental to the generation of the geomagnetic field is not correct. Ryskin and geomagnetic specialist analysis have however found geomagnetic field changes that physically impossible (too rapid) to have been created by convection current changes or any other change in the earth’s core. (The earth’s mantle is conductive and resists rapid field changes.)
http://www.iop.org/News/news_35352.html
The Earth’s magnetic field remains a charged mystery
400 years of discussion and we’re still not sure what creates the Earth’s magnetic field, and thus the magnetosphere, despite the importance of the latter as the only buffer between us and deadly solar wind of charged particles (made up of electrons and protons). New research raises question marks about the forces behind the magnetic field and the structure of Earth itself…. ….Professor Gregory Ryskin from the School of Engineering and Applied Science at Northwestern University in Illinois, US, has defied the long-standing convention by applying equations from magnetohydrodynamics to our oceans’ salt water (which conducts electricity) and found that the long-term changes (the secular variation) in the Earth’s main magnetic field are possibly induced by our oceans’ circulation.
With calculations thus confirming Ryskin’s suspicions, there were also time and space correlations – specific indications of the integral relationship between the oceans and our magnetospheric buffer. For example, researchers had recorded changes in the intensity of current circulation in the North Atlantic; Ryskin shows that these appear strongly correlated with sharp changes in the rate of geomagnetic secular variation (“geomagnetic jerks”).
Tim Smith, senior publisher of the New Journal of Physics, said, “This article is controversial and will no doubt cause vigorous debate, and possibly strong opposition, from some parts of the geomagnetism community. As the author acknowledges, the results by no means constitute a proof but they do suggest the need for further research into the possibility of a direct connection between ocean flow and the secular variation of the geomagnetic field.”
In the early 1920s, Einstein highlighted the large challenge that understanding our Magnetosphere poses. It was later suggested that the Earth’s magnetic field could be a result of the flow of electrically-conducting fluid deep inside the Earth acting as a dynamo.
In the second half of the twentieth century, the dynamo theory, describing the process through which a rotating, convecting, and electrically conducting fluid acts to maintain a magnetic field, was used to explain how hot iron in the outer core of the Earth creates a magnetosphere.
The journal paper also raises questions about the structure of our Earth’s core.
Familiar text book images that illustrate a flow of hot and highly electrically-conducting fluid at the core of the Earth are based on conjecture and could now be rendered invalid. As the flow of fluids at the Earth’s core cannot be measured or observed, theories about changes in the magnetosphere have been used, inversely, to infer the existence of such flow at the core of the Earth….. ….While Ryskin’s research looks only at long-term changes in the Earth’s magnetic field, he points out that, “If secular variation is caused by the ocean flow, the entire concept of the dynamo operating in the Earth’s core is called into question: there exists no other evidence of hydrodynamic flow in the core.”
http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/BardPapers/responseCourtillotEPSL07.pdf
Also, we wish to recall that evidence of a correlation between archeomagnetic jerks and cooling events (in a region extending from the eastern North Atlantic to the Middle East) now covers a period of 5 millenia and involves 10 events (see f.i. Figure 1 of Gallet and Genevey, 2007). The climatic record uses a combination of results from Bond et al (2001), history of Swiss glaciers (Holzhauser et al, 2005) and historical accounts reviewed by Le Roy Ladurie (2004). Recent high-resolution paleomagnetic records (e.g. Snowball and Sandgren, 2004; St-Onge et al., 2003) and global geomagnetic field modeling (Korte and Constable, 2006) support the idea that part of the centennial-scale fluctuations in 14C production may have been influenced by previously unmodeled rapid dipole field variations. In any case, the relationship between climate, the Sun and the geomagnetic field could be more complex than previously imagined. And the previous points allow the possibility for some connection between the geomagnetic field and climate over these time scales.
Point 4: We first reiterate the fact that the “claims” made in our paper regarding correlations between cooling periods and archeomagnetic jerks were actually put forward by Gallet et al (2005, 2006). We do note that the causal relationship between cosmic ray flux and cloud cover suggested by Marsh and Svensmark (2000) would result in a correlation opposite to the one we find if the field geometry were axial and dipolar and this is precisely why we propose a mechanism of dipole tilt or non dipole geometry to interpret our observations. Gallet et al (2005) write: “ Another hypothesis is to assume that the incoming charged particles are deflected towards the poles, where the overall low humidity level due to cold temperatures limits cloud formation. If archeomagnetic jerks indeed correspond to periods of strongly inclined dipole, then the charged particles would interact with more humid air from lower latitude environments, leading to significantly larger cloud production and cooling.” And if this happens, there is no need to “overcome the more direct effect”, as (mis)understood by BD07 (who seem to understand that a growing axial dipole is superimposed on a tilted dipole, which is not the case).
http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/416/
Is the geodynamo process intrinsically unstable?
Recent palaeomagnetic studies suggest that excursions of the geomagnetic field, during which the intensity drops suddenly by a factor of 5 to 10 and the local direction changes dramatically, are more common than previously expected. The `normal’ state of the geomagnetic field, dominated by an axial dipole, seems to be interrupted every 30 to 100 kyr; it may not therefore be as stable as we thought.
Recent studies suggest that the Earth’s magnetic field has fallen dramatically in magnitude and changed direction repeatedly since the last reversal 700 kyr ago (Langereis et al. 1997; Lund et al. 1998). These important results paint a rather different picture of the long-term behaviour of the field from the conventional one of a steady dipole reversing at random intervals: instead, the field appears to spend up to 20 per cent of its time in a weak, non-dipole state (Lund et al. 1998).

Leo Smith
February 10, 2013 12:08 am

you may not have the answers, but I think you are beginning to pose the right questions. Dont stop this train of thought.
By the way my understanding of Svensmark et al is that it has little to do with the sun. Cosmic rays of sufficient energy to cause cloud nucleation are not much affected by the solar wind. They are more about galactic events.
hence his linkage between global climate change an passage through more or less populated parts of the galaxy.

Gail Combs
February 10, 2013 12:39 am

markx says:
February 9, 2013 at 8:31 pm
…..US merchant shipping losses here in detail: http://www.usmm.org/shipsunkdamaged.html ” … the U.S. Merchant Marine suffered the highest rate of casualties of any service in World War II. Officially, a total of 1,554 ships were sunk due to war conditions…”
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The irony is the U.S. Merchant Marine was commandeered by the US military to carry war time supplies. My Father-in-law, a captain in the U.S. Merchant Marine carried not only arms, munitions but also soldiers and his ship was armed. The ships were organized in convoys and were ordered to stay in position which made them easy to pick off. When attacked my Father-in-law noticed they were torpedoing every other ship and he was targeted. He survived by breaking position.
So as you pointed out the U.S. Merchant Marine was very much in the war. Finally in 2011 after most of them were long dead they were FINALLY granted war veteran status and benefits.

04/01/11 Butterfield Seeks Recognition for WWII Merchant Marines
Washington, D.C. – Congressman G. K. Butterfield filed bipartisan legislation that would make deserving World War II U.S. Merchant Marines eligible for veterans’ benefits.
“The Merchant Mariners have long and rightly been known as the fourth arm of defense,” Butterfield said. “We need to make that deserving World War II Merchant Marines can receive the benefit they earned through their service.”
Butterfield’s World War II Merchant Marine Service Act, H.R. 1288, seeks to expand which documents can be accepted in determining Merchant Marines’ eligibility for veterans’ benefits….

Greg Goodman
February 10, 2013 12:53 am

Willis points out the process of the heat engine pumping heat towards the poles. This would explain why there has been more warming at the polar regions, especially the Arctic and consequent loss of ice cover at the the latter.
However, this brings up the subject of another negative feedback, that is not yet recognised by mainstream. Indeed, they are still _assuming_ there will be a positive feedback leading to a ‘tipping point’, despite the lack of observable proof that this is happening in, in fact, evidence to the contrary.
http://oi46.tinypic.com/r7uets.jpg
This plot shows rate of change of ice cover in Arctic, ie zero represents stability, neither gain nor loss. Not catastrophic collapse, nor recovery of earlier levels of ice cover but stability, equilibrium.
It should be noted that this uses ALL available data, not just one day per year in September.
If we look at ALL the data and apply a 365 day filter to remove the huge annual variation, we get something that tell us more about energy budget and rate of change than getting exited about one day per year and ignoring 364 out of each 365 daily data points.
Here we can see the “accelerating loss of ice” that had everyone rightly concerned. It lasted roughly from 1997 to 2007.
We also see North Atlantic temperature taken from the NOAA AMO record. I should emphasis that this is the real SST, not the detrended AMO. They provide AMO and what they took out, I had to add it back in. We see recent Atlantic sea temperature rose over the same period and now seems to have stopped rising. (The “pause” of global warming, no doubt.)
Despite SST remaining warmer, ice extent seems to have settled back to oscillate around zero change.
Now it’s a bit early to draw any firm conclusions or make predictions but this evidence suggests that the greater expanse of exposed water, which will radiate more IR and allow much higher evaporation has the net effect of a negative feedback , not a positive one.
There will be a contrary effect where water will also absorb more solar energy but this is more complex than just albedo (reflectivity). For most of the 6 months that the regions gets more day than night the incoming radiation will be at a very low angle. What is overlooked in applying a simplistic albedo argument is that a lot of this radiation will be reflected as though it hit a mirror.
So hand-waving arguments can lead to either conclusion. How we decide which effect is dominant is to look at observational data.
That is what we have here. All from conventional archives.
http://oi46.tinypic.com/r7uets.jpg

markx
February 10, 2013 1:31 am

Barry R says: February 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm
(….Re the physical impact of whales….)
An interesting thought, but to put the physical effects of the whale population into perspective, as a comparison if you gathered the 7 billion people on earth together for an important meeting, allocating 1 square meter per person, the crowd would fit in a square of 84 Km x 84 Km.
We could all fit into an area of the size of the main island of Hawaii.
If we each person takes up about 1 cubic meter (ie, a cubic meter of water weighs 100 kg) … then consider those 7 billion cubic meters piles into a cube, we have a cube standing about 1.9 km x 1.9 km x 1.9 km… ie 7 km3.
Now considering the volume of the world’s oceans is about 1.35 billion km3… all those people represent a volume of 0.00000052% of that of the world’s oceans … (truly a drop in the ocean!)
Having said that, the role of whales in the whole whales/krill/plankton/ocean interaction may be a much more important story.

markx
February 10, 2013 1:53 am

William Astley says: February 9, 2013 at 9:41 pm
The Earth’s magnetic field remains a charged mystery…
Familiar text book images that illustrate a flow of hot and highly electrically-conducting fluid at the core of the Earth are based on conjecture and could now be rendered invalid. As the flow of fluids at the Earth’s core cannot be measured or observed, theories about changes in the magnetosphere have been used, inversely, to infer the existence of such flow at the core of the Earth….. ….While Ryskin’s research looks only at long-term changes in the Earth’s magnetic field, he points out that, “If secular variation is caused by the ocean flow, the entire concept of the dynamo operating in the Earth’s core is called into question: there exists no other evidence of hydrodynamic flow in the core.”

An intriguing thought … I could never picture how a core of molten iron circulating at different speeds could create a magnetic field.
But perhaps there is an interaction.
Both the oceans and the iron core vary in the speed at which they circulate.
If the oceans themselves create a charge, and the iron core creates a charge, and the mantle is an insulating layer, this may set up charge flows which can change over time.

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