Slow Drift in Thermoregulated Emergent Systems

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

In my last post, “Emergent Climate Phenomena“, I gave a different paradigm for the climate. The current paradigm is that climate is a system in which temperature slavishly follows the changes in inputs. Under my paradigm, on the other hand, natural thermoregulatory systems constrain the temperature to vary within a narrow range. In the last century, for example, the temperature has varied only about ± 0.3°C, which is a temperature variation of only about a tenth of one percent. I hold that this astonishing stability, in a system whose temperature is controlled by something as fickle and variable as clouds and wind, is clear evidence that there is a strong thermostatic mechanism, or more accurately a host of interlocking thermostatic mechanisms, controlling the temperature.

emergent school of fishFigure 1. The behavior of flocks of birds and schools of fish are emergent phenomena.

However, this brings up a new question—although the change in temperature is quite small, with changes of only a few tenths of a percent per century, less than a degree, sometimes the global average temperature has been rising, and sometimes falling.

So what are some of the things that might be causing these slow, century or millennia long drifts in temperature? Is it changes in the sun? I think that the explanation lies elsewhere than the sun, and here’s why.

The temperature control system I describe above, based on the timing and duration of the onset and existence of emergent temperature phenomena, is temperature based. It is not based on the amount of forcing (downwelling solar and greenhouse radiation).

By that I mean that the control system starts to kick in when the local temperature rises above the critical level for cloud emergence. As a result, by and large the global average temperature of the planet is relatively indifferent to variations in the level of the forcing, whether from the sun, from CO2, from volcanoes, or any other reason. That’s why meteors and volcanoes have come and gone and the temperature just goes on. Remember that at the current temperature, the system variably rejects about a quarter of the available incoming solar energy through reflections off of clouds. We could be a whole lot hotter than we are now, and we’re not …

This means that the system is actively regulating the amount of incoming solar energy to maintain the temperature within bounds. It doesn’t disturb the control system that the solar forcing is constantly varying from a host of factors, from dust and volcanoes to 11 and 22 year solar cycles. The thermoregulation system is not based on how much energy there is available from the sun or from CO2. The resulting temperature is not based on the available forcing, we know there’s more than enough forcing available to fry us. It is set instead by the unchanging physics of wind and wave and pressure and most of all temperature that regulates when clouds form … so when the sun goes up a bit, the clouds go up a bit, and balance is maintained.

And this, in turn, is my explanation of why it is so difficult to find any strong, clear solar signal in the temperature records. Oh, you can find hints, and bits, a weak correlation to this or that, but overall those sun-climate correlations, which under the current paradigm should show visible effects, are very hard to find. I hold that this shows that in general, global average temperature is not a function of the forcing. The sun waxes and wanes, the volcanoes go off for centuries, meteors hit the earth … and the clouds simply adjust to return us to the same thermal level. And this weak dependence of output on input is exactly what we would expect in any significantly complex system.

So if the sun is not guilty of causing the slow drift in global average surface temperature over the centuries, what other possible defendants might we haul before the bar?

Well, the obvious suspects would include anything that affects the timing and duration of the onset and existence of clouds, or their albedo (color). Unfortunately, cloud formation is a complex and poorly understood process. Water droplets in clouds form around a “nucleus”, some kind of particle. This can be sea salt, dust, organic materials, aerosols, a variety of types and species of microorganisms, black carbon, there are a host of known participants with no clear evidence on how or why they vary, or what effects they have when they do vary.  Here’s a quote from the abstract of a 2013 scientific paper, emphasis mine:

The composition and prevalence of microorganisms in the middle-to-upper troposphere (8–15 km altitude) and their role in aerosol-cloud-precipitation interactions represent important, unresolved questions for biological and atmospheric science. In particular, airborne microorganisms above the oceans remain essentially uncharacterized, as most work to date is restricted to samples taken near the Earth’s surface. SOURCE

Here’s another example:

Cumulus clouds result from the ascent of moist air parcels. An unresolved issue in cloud physics is why observed cumulus cloud droplet spectra even in the core of cumulus clouds are broader than the spectra predicted by cloud droplet nucleation and condensational growth in adiabatically ascending parcels (Pruppacher and Klett, 1997). SOURCE

Cumulus clouds are one of the most common types on earth and we don’t even understand cloud nucleation there. The problem is that the size and composition of atmospheric aerosols, and the complex interaction between those aerosols and the various organic and inorganic atmospheric chemicals, ions, free radicals, and natural and man-made particles, plus variations in the type and amount of microbial populations of the atmosphere, plus the ability of one chemical to adsorb onto and totally change the surface properties of another substance, all have the potential to affect both the timing and the duration of both cloud formation and precipitation, along with cloud optical properties. As such, they would have to be strong contenders for any century-scale (and perhaps shorter-scale) drifts in temperature.

Another possible cause for the slow drift might be the proposed cosmic ray connection, sun’s magnetic field –> cosmic ray variations –> changes in cloud nucleation rate. I see no theoretical reason it couldn’t work under existing laws of physics, I made a “cloud chamber” as a kid to see radioactivity come off of a watch. However, one difficulty with this cosmic ray connection is that the records have been combed pretty extensively for sun/climate links, and we haven’t found any strong correlations between the sun and climate. We see weak correlations, but nothing stands out. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist, but it may be indicative of their possible strength … or as always, indicative of our lack of knowledge …

Another cause might be the effect on thunderstorms of gradual changes in the earth’s electromagnetic fields. Thunderstorms have a huge (think lightning bolts) and extremely poorly understood electromagnetic complement. They serve an incredibly complex electromagnetic circuit that  couples the atmosphere and the surface. It ties them together electromagnetically from the “sprites”  that form when thunderstorms push high above the surrounding tropopause, and from there in various ways through dimly glimpsed channels the electromagnetic current runs down to and up from the ground. Thunderstorms also are independent natural electrical Van de Graaf machines, stripping electrons in one part of the thunderstorm, transporting them miles away, and reuniting them in a thunderous electrical arc. We have no idea what things like the gradual changes in the location of the Magnetic Poles and alterations in the magnetosphere or variations in the solar wind might do to the timing and duration of thunderstorms, so we have to include slow alterations in the global magnetic and electrical fields in the list of possibilities, perhaps only because we understand so little about them.

The next possibility for slow changes involves the idea of bifurcation points. Let me take the alteration between the two states of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation as an example. In each of the states of the PDO, we have a quasi-stable (for decades) configuration of ocean currents. At some point in time, for unclear reasons, that configuration of ocean currents changes, and is replaced by an entirely different quasi-stable (for decades) state. In other words, somewhere in there is a bifurcation point in the annual ebb and flow of the currents, and at some point in time, the currents take the path not recently travelled and as a result, the whole North Pacific shifts to the other state.

Now, even in theory one of these two state has to be more efficient than the other in the great work of the heat engine we call the climate. That great work is moving energy from the equator to the poles. And in fact there is a distinct difference, one of the two states is called the “warm” state and the other is called the “cool” state.

Intuitively, it would seem that IF for whatever reason the Pacific Decadal Oscillation stayed permanently in one state or the other, that the world would end up either warmer overall or cooler overall. Let me explain why I don’t think the PDO or the El Nino/La Nina or the North Atlantic Oscillations are responsible for slow drifts in the regulated temperature.

The reason is that just like the thunderstorms, all of those are emergent phenomena of the system. Take the PDO as an example. Looking at the Pacific Ocean, you’d never say “I bet the North Pacific stays warm for decade after decade, and then there’s a great shift, all of the sea life changes, the winds change, the very currents change, and then it will be cold for decade after decade”. No way you’d guess that, it’s emergent.

And because they are emergent systems, I hold that they too are a part of the interconnected thermal regulation system, which in my view includes short term emergent systems (daily thunderstorms), longer term (multi monthly Madden Julian oscillations), longer term (clouds cooling in summer and warming in winter), longer term (3-5 years El Nino/La Nina), and longer term (multidecadal PDO, AMO) emergent systems of all types all working to maintain a constant temperature, with many more uncounted.

And as a result, I would hold that none of those emergent systems would be a cause of slow drift. To the contrary, I would expect that they would work the other way, to counteract slow drift and prevent overheating.

Moving on, here’s an off-the-wall possibility for human induced change—oil on the global oceans. It only takes the thinnest, almost monomolecular layer of oil on water to change the surface tension, and we’ve added lots of it. This reduces evaporation in two ways. It reduces evaporation directly by reducing the amount of water in contact with the air.

The second way is by preventing the formation of breaking waves, spray, and spume (sea foam). Spray of any kind greatly increases the water surface available for evaporation, depending on windspeed. Remember that evaporation due to wind speed is the way that the thunderstorm is able to sustain itself. So when the amount of area evaporating is decreased by ten or twenty percent due to lack of spray, that will commensurately decrease the evaporation, and thus affect the timing of the onset and the duration of thunderstorms.

OK, you gotta love this. I thought “time for more research” after writing the last paragraph, and I find this:

Sailors who traditionally dumped barrels of oil into the sea to calm stormy waters may have been on to something, a new study suggests. The old practice reduces wind speeds in tropical hurricanes by damping ocean spray, according to a new mathematical “sandwich model”.

As hurricane winds kick up ocean waves, large water droplets become suspended in the air. This cloud of spray can be treated mathematically as a third fluid sandwiched between the air and sea. “Our calculations show that drops in the spray decrease turbulence and reduce friction, allowing for far greater wind speeds – sometimes eight times as much,” explains researcher Alexandre Chorin at the University of California at Berkeley, US.

He believes the findings shed light on an age-old sea ritual. “Ancient mariners poured oil on troubled waters – hence the expression – but it was never very clear what this accomplished,” says Chorin. Since oil inhibits the formation of drops, Chorin thinks the strategy would have increased the drag in the air and successfully decreased the intensity of the squalls.

SOURCE

Hmmm … good scientists, not such good sailors. As scientists, I’d say they only have part of the answer. They should also run a calculation on the increase of the evaporative area due to the spray, and then consider that the hurricane runs on evaporation. That’s why they die out over the land, no moisture. Cut down the spray, put oil on the water, cut down the evaporation, cut down the power of the storms. And just like you get sweatier and hotter if a muggy day prevents evaporation, the same is true of the ocean. If you cut down evaporation, it will get warmer.

Of course, the counter-argument to the oil-on-the-water cuts evaporation and warms the ocean hypothesis was World War II. It put more oil into all of the oceans of the world than at any time before or since, and during the war in general the world was quite cold … dang fact, they always get in the way.

Having said that, as a blue-water man I can assure you that the authors of that claim are not sailors. Sailors don’t dump oil in the water to lower the wind speed, that’s a landlubber fantasy. They do it because it prevents waves from breaking and drops and spray from forming, so it can help in rough conditions. It doesn’t take much, you’d be surprise at the effect it has. You soak a rag in motor oil and tow it a ways behind the boat when you are drifting downwind. If the Coast Guard catches you, you’ll get a ticket for causing a sheen on the water and rightly so, but if it saves your life once, it’s probably worth it. Heck, when you’re caught in a big offshore blow, if it just has a placebo effect and reduces your personal pucker factor, its probably worth it … but I digress.

One thing is clear, however. The climate has been on a slow drift up and down and up and down, warm in Roman times, cold in the Dark Ages, warm in the Middle Ages, cold in the Little Ice Age, warm now … so while humans may indeed play some part the post-1940’s drift (down, then up, now level), it’s likely not a big part or we would have seen it by now … and in any case if we did have an effect, we still don’t know how.

I want to close by noting the power of the paradigm. If the paradigm is that greenhouse gases are the likely reason for slow climate drift because you assert (curiously and incorrectly) that temperature slavishly follows forcing, then you will look for variations in all the things that affect those GHGs.

But once the paradigm shifts to describing the climate as composed of interlocking active thermoregulatory mechanisms, we find ourselves with a range of entirely different and credible candidates for slow drift that are untouched and uninvestigated. It may be something above, or something I haven’t even considered, the change in plankton affecting the clouds or something.

This is why the claim that we have identified the “major forcings” as being say CO2 and methane and such ring hollow. Those are only the major players within the current paradigm. The problem is, that paradigm cannot explain a system so tightly thermoregulated that over the last century, the global average surface temperature only varied by ± one tenth of a percent … engineers, please correct me if I’m wrong, but given volcanoes and aerosols and the like that is a record that any control systems engineer would be proud of, and it is done with things as ephemeral as clouds. To me, that fact alone proves that the earth has a thermostat, and a dang precise one for that matter. A truly wondrous and marvel-filled planet indeed.

In friendship and exploration of the aforesaid marvels,

w.

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Tom in Indy
February 9, 2013 7:41 am

Willis to Mosher: Mostly you just come in, squat, take a dump on the floor, and leave without cleaning it up.
That was the most hilarious and accurate comment I’ve seen on this forum.
The study of emergent systems is new to me. The concept is fascinating. Thank you for sharing your insight Willis.

Dave
February 9, 2013 7:51 am

I am starting to think that we should all chip in and endow a chair of climate science or some such here at WUWT so that Willis might be free to give us say 1/2 his time (I don’t believe a guy like
Willis will ever do anything full time, too many interests).
Dave

Gail Combs
February 9, 2013 7:52 am

Kev-in-Uk says:
February 9, 2013 at 5:25 am
Willis Eschenbach says:
February 9, 2013 at 1:33 am
I agree that Mosh has been a bit obtuse there – but he has a valid point and I would respectively add that the total thermal inertia in the system (land,oceans, etc) is much greater than in the atmospheric surface ‘air’ temperatures! The diurnal temperature variation noted in a normal day affects only the top few millimetres of land and sea and of course the convected heat into the lower atmosphere ‘air’. I am sure you realise that the thermal inertia (or latent heat content, if you prefer) of the oceans and land, buildings, etc – is what ‘smooths’ out both the diurnal temp variation and reduces the effect of other cyclic changes (ENSO, AMO, etc)…..
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Thermal inertia in the system:
For caves in Indiana around Bloomington the temperature is an even 52.5F, for Texas ~72F and if I remember correctly for Vermont ~45F (BRRRrrrr) You can cave in Indiana using 2 pair of wool socks and plastic bread sleeves but in Vermont you had better have wet suit booties. Doesn’t matter what time of year it is the temperature once past the entrance is the same.

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2013 8:14 am

Not bad. Not bad at all. Decades of increasing land warmth is likely, in my opinion, the result of previous extended La Nina/neutral ENSO conditions allowing for extended periods of enhanced ocean warming and at deeper depths by clear sky conditions at the equatorial belt. This extra heat rides the currents and is belched out over a fairly long period of time. Our land sensors pick this up and cause consternation in folks who believe in vegetarian furkey for Thanksgiving.

Paul Vaughan
February 9, 2013 8:27 am

lgl linked to:
http://virakkraft.com/sealevel-VEI-4.jpg
On one of the time axes, note the spacing of minor tick marks between major ticks:
3 minor ticks / major tick: 1960-1980
4 minor ticks / major tick: 1900-1920, 1940-1960, & 1980-2000
5 minor ticks / major tick: 1920-1940
Gail Combs: Did you notice this?
Can anyone here point to the source of the original (unmodified) graph?

RMB
February 9, 2013 8:37 am

As always you are doing god’s work but I want with respect to take issue. You state”so what aresome of thethings that might cause these slow century or millenia long drifts in temperature. Is it changes in the sun? I think the explanation lies elsewhere than the sun”.
The explanation lies in the fact that you can not “heat” water from above. You can “radiate” it but you can’t “heat” it.
Sometime ago I decided that the thing that was missing from my life experience was that I had never seen water heated from above, how does it work. I grabbed a heat gun and fired it at a bucket of water,not many people do this.
To my utter astonishment the rejection of the heat was total. The water remained stone cold. With further experimentation I discovered tha the only way to heat water from above was to float an object on the surface and apply the heat gun through the floating object (grill pan). The grill pan cancels the surface tension underneath it and allows the passage of heat into the water. There is one caveat that should be noted, a heat gun is not the absolute ideal for the experiment because it is fan forced heat and the fan forcing simulates weight and can “fool” the surface into letting heat through but it is very very minor.
The whole key to this climate argument is surface tension and that makes sense because we know surface tension exists and it was demonstrated to people my age 71 that it was strong enough to support the weight of a paper clip and heat has no weight.
The climate is a locked box involving the ocean and the sun’s radiation, everything else is peripheral. In short your idling SUV doesn’t count.
I discovered recently that the teaching of surface tension has changed. It is no longer taught as a confrontational force capable of supporting weight. pupils are encouraged to see how many blobs of water they can place on a coin, which leads me to believe that there are people in positions of authority who realise that if the public get a whiff of surface tension its all over.
So I want everybody to get a heat gun and fire it at a bucket of water. Don’t forget to say “go ahead make my day” rgds

Chuck L
February 9, 2013 8:39 am

To me, Willis’ post evokes the Gaia Hypothesis where the Earth as a whole, has the ability to maintain homeostasis. With the greatest of respect, however, I think ultimately, the Sun is the ultimate arbiter of the Earth’s climate. The Sun, orbital perturbations, and axial precession, in my opinion, drive the climate train. In any case, I think that manmade CO2, is like a fly on an elephant’s ass when it comes to climate change/global warming, or whatever they call it nowadays.

lgl
February 9, 2013 8:41 am

Greg
Here’s one more garbled photo-collage mess of a graph. You are right about the 9 yrs (or 8,9) http://virakkraft.com/moon-volcano-temp.png
My VEI-data is a simple count of eruptions each year from this: http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/largeeruptions.cfm
Note it is not stratospheric aerosol data.

February 9, 2013 8:48 am

WILLIS DE N3YSC R R ON MOSHER AR

February 9, 2013 8:49 am

Willis There is good empirical evidence of the relation between solar “activity” and temperature via cosmic rays – mainly clouds and albedo with some probable EUV effect thrown in-although I agree the exact mechanisms are not well understood. see for example Fig three in Steinhilber
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/03/30/1118965109.full.pdf
which shows the clear correlation between cosmic ray intensity and the various Little Ice Age Minima.
See also Wang http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/9581/2012/acp-12-9581-2012.pdf
which deals with the late 20th century warming.
The basic control on millenial,centennial and decadal climate trends is the variation in the solar magnetic field strength – which itself relates to torques on the sun generated mainly by the Jupiter – Saturn resonance beats . The major trends are of course the Milankovitch cycles.which are modulated by the higher frequency solar cycles.The main picture is now quite clear – the devil is in the details. CO2 levels follow temperatures and have only minor effect on climate with a climate sensitivity of about 1 degree. Lower than the lowest Model derived range.

johninoxley
February 9, 2013 8:53 am

We all know whats done it. CO2. There thats my research for the day, week, year, keep those checks rolling in. Dont have to think, why it may, could give me a headache. Hold on, theres another research grant, right . Gosh this climate science certainly is easy. Now to plot this on a spreadsheet. Wheres my “DUMMIES FOR EXCEL” ?. Under the wobbley science desk. Not to worry, Phil has one. Thankyou WIllis.

Retired Engineer John
February 9, 2013 9:01 am

Pamela Gray says:
February 9, 2013 at 8:14 am
“Not bad. Not bad at all. Decades of increasing land warmth is likely, in my opinion, the result of previous extended La Nina/neutral ENSO conditions allowing for extended periods of enhanced ocean warming and at deeper depths by clear sky conditions at the equatorial belt. This extra heat rides the currents and is belched out over a fairly long period of time”
There are chemical reactions that remove heat from the ocean, store heat, and release heat. The calcium carbonate reaction removes heat, the hydration of the calcium carbonate stores heat and the reverse reaction releases heat.

Stephen Wilde
February 9, 2013 9:16 am

A multitide of internal system variables seek to disturb the top of atmosphere radiative balance but are always met by a negative system response which moves back towards the thermal equilibrium set by mass gravity and energy input.
I would say that changes in top of atmosphere solar input can change the equilibrium surface temperature (or rather total system eneregy content) as can changes in total atmospheric mass and the strength of the gravitational field but even the effects of insolation are mitigated on our planet by the efficiency of the water cycle such that I have previously proposed that efficiency as a solution for the so called early faint sun paradox.
As to how the negative system response actually works I have been exploring that for several years and building up a narrative that seems to work.
This is my most recent effort:
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=10775
“The Ignoring Of Adiabatic Processes – Big Mistake ”
Which links back to tallbloke’s site for a lengthy discussion.
I am pleased that Willis is now moving towards ideas that I and others have been propounding for some time.
To summarise:
In the first instance there are changes other than in mass gravity and energy input that do seek to destabilise the system. Radiative characteristics being one such but there are many others.
Such forcing elements are part of the diabatic loop whereby incoming solar energy provokes a thermal response.
However that then has the potential to upset the TOA radiative balance and that cannot be permitted to continue for long if the atmosphere is to be retained in gaseous form.
So the outcome is that the TOA imbalance itself provokes a negative system response in the adiabatic loop thus:
i) Too much energy going out results in system cooling which rebalances energy in with energy out.
ii) Too much energy in results in system heating which rebalances energy out with energy in.
The mechanism whereby the potential imbalance is stabilised is the adiabatic loop swapping energy between PE and KE as necessary to keep the system temperature at a level which gives energy out equalling energy in no more and no less. Those changes in the proportions of KE and PE in the vertical column do alter the lapse rate because it is the amount of KE available at any given level which determines the temperature at that level,
That swapping is a result of a fixed amount of total energy (PE +KE) being changed from KE to PE or vice versa by contraction or expansion of the atmosphere as a whole or by expansion and contraction of layers within the atmosphere.
A higher atmosphere (or layer) converts more KE to PE for net cooling and a lower atmosphere (or layer) converts more PE to KE for a net warming.
In each case the sign of the change in the speed of the adiabatic loop being equal and opposite to the change in the diabatic loop.
Any attempt at destabilisation by in the diabatic loop is offset by a change in the adiabatic loop.
The most important fact for present purposes is that the entire atmospheric mass is involved so the effects of CO2 are insignificant because they have no discernible effect on total atmospheric mass.

February 9, 2013 9:37 am

Don’t forget the Venturi effect.

Jeff Alberts
February 9, 2013 9:39 am

Mostly you just come in, squat, take a dump on the floor, and leave without cleaning it up.

This was worth reading for that sentence alone.

John Campbell
February 9, 2013 9:59 am

I once did work on what today are called fractals. Back then, we called them “complex non-deterministic systems”. Maybe it’s because of this long-ago brush with fractal systems that I find Willis’ theory to be much more attractiive than the IPCC’s.
But what does Willis’ theory predict? First, following the scientific method, what would falsify Willis’s theory? And second, what observations would support the validity of theory?

lgl
February 9, 2013 10:03 am

Paul
Like I have written on the graph, no offset between 1930 and 1980. The larger eruptions at beginning and end of the century have a delayed response.
The original is found in at least two of Shavivs papers
http://www.sciencebits.com/files/articles/CalorimeterFinal.pdf
Interestingly, after I made him aware of the flaw he starts in 1920 in a later paper:
http://phys.huji.ac.il/~shaviv/articles/Nir_Shaviv_Chapter_Die_Kalte_Sonne.pdf

Kelvin Vaughan
February 9, 2013 10:10 am

I think there is also a thermostat stopping it getting cold. The colder the maximum the less the difference between maximum and minimum. In England the difference between maximum and minimum averages about 8 degrees Celsius in the hottest month and averages about 5 degrees Celsius in the coldest months.

Greg Goodman
February 9, 2013 10:10 am

lgl says:
February 9, 2013 at 8:41 am
Greg
Here’s one more garbled photo-collage mess of a graph. You are right about the 9 yrs (or 8,9) http://virakkraft.com/moon-volcano-temp.png
My VEI-data is a simple count of eruptions each year from this: http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/largeeruptions.cfm
Note it is not stratospheric aerosol data.
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Thanks for the reply. There is the obvious possibility that this 9y cycle is lunar but I don’t want to prejudice investigation by jumping to that conclusion. I also suspect a possible link between such long term tidal forces and the triggering of volcanoes which is why I asked for your data source.
You will see in the plot you link here what I posted previously that not only the solar correlation breaks down at times but also the linkage you are suggesting here. It looks good in 1925 and 1985. For the rest of the time it can be seen lurking but is not dominant. Again I’d suggest it’s about 50% of the signal.

Bill H
February 9, 2013 10:27 am

michael sweet says:
February 9, 2013 at 4:37 am
Willis,
How do you explain the ice ages using your hypothesis that the Earth naturally keeps temperatures steady? Why does the temperature change during ice ages? Perhaps the natural temperature is cold and the current warm era is a fluke?
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When you consider that 90,000 years is substantially colder than our warm periods of about 11,000-16,000 years there is definitely a trigger we are missing.. Magnetism of our galaxy might give us the answer to this as we are nearer large systems galactic during all of these phases and cooler when we are farthest from them..

February 9, 2013 10:32 am

The slow drift upwards should result in a drift of “earlier” thunderstorms – i.e. for the temp to rise any appreciable amount from any cause, all thermo-regulatory systems should be fully deployed and begin to “slip behind” a bit. This is because, obviously, the latent heat of evaporation/condensation doesn’t change. I suppose wind speeds at the sea surface and some of the other parts of the “engine” could “fall behind” allowing some temp increase.
Your earth temp governor theory is compelling but you do have to deal with what conditions could allow a temp increase at all – it must have something to do with limitations on the efficiency of the engines responses.. If this is the case, then the theory is open to the criticism that the regulator could be swamped – as it surely would be in the extreme case, for example if (and when) the sun were to expand with age and burn us up. I would be tempted to look for an extraterrestrial affect. In the meantime, leaving the cause of the rise in temp aside, it would be very interesting if it were possible by ingenious experiment or theoretical physics to evaluate the affect of raising the temperature enough that it overwhelms the regulator as it presently manifests itself. Perhaps ther is a new over-arching emergent phenomenon waiting in line for the next level of heat assault.
This is all very interesting stuff. You had better get some of this published asap because you can be sure some hockey team clone is looking for an escape hatch.

Bill H
February 9, 2013 10:35 am

Stephen Wilde says:
February 9, 2013 at 9:16 am
“The most important fact for present purposes is that the entire atmospheric mass is involved so the effects of CO2 are insignificant because they have no discernible effect on total atmospheric mass.”
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Here is the crux of the CWAG issue.. CO2 (man caused) is just .0003% of earths total atmospheric mass. Thus it is irrelevant as any sort of driver..
Physics and Math are unforgiving..

Gail Combs
February 9, 2013 10:43 am

Paul Vaughan says:
February 9, 2013 at 8:27 am
lgl linked to:
http://virakkraft.com/sealevel-VEI-4.jpg
On one of the time axes, note the spacing of minor tick marks between major ticks:
3 minor ticks / major tick: 1960-1980
4 minor ticks / major tick: 1900-1920, 1940-1960, & 1980-2000
5 minor ticks / major tick: 1920-1940
Gail Combs: Did you notice this?
Can anyone here point to the source of the original (unmodified) graph?
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The source data may be: Large Holocene Eruptions: …list includes known large-volume Holocene explosive eruptions with a Volcanic Explosivity Index (VEI) of 4 or larger.

Greg Goodman
February 9, 2013 10:54 am

lgl just for info , here is what I find to be the repetitive 9y pattern in North Atl SST:
http://oi46.tinypic.com/1p8a9t.jpg
It is surprisingly regular consisting of 107m plus it’s harmonic at 53.5m .
Auto-correlation indicates repetition but does not really give the form , so I was very surprised to find something this close to a harmonic oscillation. I was expecting something much more irregular.
Just a warning not to expect pure sines everywhere.
The strong harmonic should be helpful in understanding the cause. 107m = 8.92a which may be closer to the lunar apse cycle of 8.85 than the 9.3a cycle. For the moment I’m more interested in identification of any cyclic content than trying to attribute cause and mechanism.

William Astley
February 9, 2013 10:58 am

It appears the question: “|What portion of the 20th century warming has caused by solar magnetic cycle changes as opposed to increases in atmospheric CO2?” will be settled by observations rather than IPCC general circulation models predictions.
There is in the paleo record a cyclic series of astonishing unexplained geological events and climate events (gradual cyclic climate change cycles and extraordinarily large and extraordinarily abrupt climate changes) that correlate with solar magnetic cycle changes.
As shown below based on changes to cosmogenic isotopes (not counts of sunspots) the solar magnetic cycle was at its highest level in 8000 years during the latter half of 20th century.
It appears we will have a front row seat to observe a solar event that will have profound implications for astrophysics and for climate science.
It is surreal that the media and the climategate scientists have spent the last 20 years pushing atmospheric CO2 increases and global warming as a crisis. All of the past interglacial periods ended abruptly.
http://www.sciencebits.com/files/pictures/climate/SolarActivityProxies.png
http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison_recent_cycles.png
http://www.solen.info/solar/polarfields/polar.html
http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/nature02995.pdf
Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous 11,000 years
Direct observations of sunspot numbers are available for the past four centuries1,2, but longer time series are required, for example, for the identification of a possible solar influence on climate and for testing models of the solar dynamo. Here we report a reconstruction of the sunspot number covering the past 11,400 years, based on dendrochronologically dated radiocarbon concentrations. We combine physics-based models for each of the processes connecting the radiocarbon concentration with sunspot number. According to our reconstruction, the level of solar activity during the past 70 years is exceptional, and the previous period of equally high activity occurred more than 8,000 years ago. We find that during the past 11,400 years the Sun spent only of the order of 10% of the time at a similarly high level of magnetic activity and almost all of the earlier high-activity periods were shorter than the present episode. Although the rarity of the current episode of high average sunspot numbers may indicate that the Sun has contributed to the unusual climate change during the twentieth century, we point out that solar variability is unlikely to have been the dominant cause of the strong warming during the past three decades3.
http://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/sspvse…ntergreen1.pdf
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In The Modern Era (Since 1954)
( 1 ) The galactic cosmic ray intensity near earth has been one of the lowest in the past 1150 years.
( 2 ) The frequency of occurrence of large solar particle events has been low compared to the long term average.
For A Period Similar To 1889 – 1901
( 3 ) The galactic cosmic ray intensity was higher compared to the modern era by factors of:
– 7.0 AT 100 MeV
– 3.5 AT 300 MeV
– 2.25 AT 1.0 GeV.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal…/399437a0.html
Doubling Sun’s Coronal Magnetic Field in Last 100 years
The solar wind is an extended ionized gas of very high electrical conductivity, and therefore drags some magnetic flux out of the Sun to fill the heliosphere with a weak interplanetary magnetic field1,2. Magnetic reconnection—the merging of oppositely directed magnetic fields—between the interplanetary field and the Earth’s magnetic field allows energy from the solar wind to enter the near-Earth environment. The Sun’s properties, such as its luminosity, are related to its magnetic field, although the connections are still not well understood3,4. Moreover, changes in the heliospheric magnetic field have been linked with changes in total cloud cover over the Earth, which may influence global climate5. Here we show that measurements of the near-Earth interplanetary magnetic field reveal that the total magnetic flux leaving the Sun has risen by a factor of 1.4 since 1964: surrogate measurements of the interplanetary magnetic field indicate that the increase since 1901 has been by a factor of 2.3. This increase may be related to chaotic changes in the dynamo that generates the solar magnetic field. We do not yet know quantitatively how such changes will influence the global environment.
The Sun-Climate Connection
John A. Eddy
National Solar Observatory
Tucson, Arizona
The paleoclimatic data, covering the full span of the present interglacial epoch, are a record of the concentration of identifiable mineral tracers in layered sediments on the sea floor of the northern North Atlantic Ocean. The tracers originate on the land and are carried out to sea in drift ice. Their presence in seafloor samples at different locations in the surrounding ocean reflects the southward expansion of cooler, ice-bearing water: thus serving as indicators of changing climatic conditions at high Northern latitudes. The study demonstrates that the sub-polar North Atlantic Ocean has experienced nine distinctive expansions of cooler water in the past 11,000 years, occurring roughly every 1000 to 2000 years, with a mean spacing of about 1350 years.
http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/seminars/spring2006/Mar1/Bond%20et%20al%202001.pdf
Persistent Solar Influence on the North Atlantic Climate During the Holocene
Surface winds and surface ocean hydrography in the subpolar North Altantic appear to have been influenced by variations in solar output (William: The mechanism by which the sun changes planetary temperature is not solar output, TSI, but rather changes to the solar magnetic cycle. As shown below based on changes to cosmogenic isotopes the solar magnetic cycle was at its highest level in 8000 years at during the latter half of 20th century.) The evidence comes from close correlation between inferred changes in production rates of the cosmogenic nuclides carbon-14 and beryllium-10 and centennial to millennial time scale changes in proxies of drift ice measured in deep-sea sediment cores. A solar forcing mechanism therefore may underlie at least the Holocene segment of the North Atlantic’s “1500-year” cycle. …
… A solar influence on climate of the magnitude and consistency implied by our evidence could not have been confined to the North Atlantic. Indeed, previous studies have tied increases in the C14 in tree rings, and hence reduced solar irradiance, to Holocene glacial advances in Scandinavia, expansions of the Holocene Polar Atmosphere circulation in Greenland; and abrupt cooling in the Netherlands about 2700 years ago…Well dated, high resolution measurements of O18 in stalagmite from Oman document five periods of reduced rainfall centered at times of strong solar minima at 6300, 7400, 8300, 9000, and 9500 years ago.”….
The following is a link to Palle’s earthshine paper that provides data to support a reduction in planetary albedo (due to less planetary cloud cover) 1994 to 2001, which Palle states is equivalent to a forcing of 7.5W/M^2, based on observations. The reduction in planetary cloud cover (as shown in Palle’s satellite paper) is at the specific latitudes and over the ocean as predicted by Tinsley. (The atmosphere over the ocean is ion poor as compared to the continents, as the continental crust is slightly radioactive. The solar wind bursts create a potential from ionosphere to earth’s surface at a specific latitudes.)
Earthshine paper.
http://solar.njit.edu/preprints/palle1266.pdf
“Our simulations suggest a surface average forcing at the top of the atmosphere, coming only from changes in the albedo from 1994/1995 to 1999/2001, of 2.7 +/-1.4 W/m2 (Palle et al., 2003), while observations give 7.5 +/-2.4 W/m2. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 1995) argues for a comparably sized 2.4 W/m2 increase in forcing, which is attributed to greenhouse gas forcing since 1850.”
http://nsidc.org/news/press/day_after/NRCabruptcc.pdf
Until the 1990s, the dominant view of climate change was that Earth’s climate system has changed gradually in response to both natural and human-induced processes. Evidence pieced together over the last few decades, however, shows that climate has changed much more rapidly—sometimes abruptly— in the past and therefore could do so again in the future.
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/transit.html
According to the marine records, the Eemian interglacial ended with a rapid cooling event about 110,000 years ago (e.g., Imbrie et al., 1984; Martinson et al., 1987), which also shows up in ice cores and pollen records from across Eurasia. From a relatively high resolution core in the North Atlantic. Adkins et al. (1997) suggested that the final cooling event took less than 400 years, and it might have been much more rapid….
…The event at 8200 ka is the most striking sudden cooling event during the Holocene (William: The Younger Dryas 12,900 yr BP cooling event is larger by a factor of three), giving widespread cool, dry conditions lasting perhaps 200 years before a rapid return to climates warmer and generally moister than the present. This event is clearly detectable in the Greenland ice cores, where the cooling seems to have been about half-way as severe as the Younger Dryas-to-Holocene difference (Alley et al., 1997; Mayewski et al., 1997). No detailed assessment of the speed of change involved seems to have been made within the literature (though it should be possible to make such assessments from the ice core record), but the short duration of these events at least suggests changes that took only a few decades or less to occur.