From the journal Earth System Dynamics billed as “An Interactive Open Access Journal of the European Geosciences Union” comes this paper which suggests that the posited AGW forcing effects simply isn’t statistically significant in the observations, but other natural forcings are.
“…We show that although these anthropogenic forcings share a common stochastic trend, this trend is empirically independent of the stochastic trend in temperature and solar irradiance. Therefore, greenhouse gas forcing, aerosols, solar irradiance and global temperature are not polynomially cointegrated. This implies that recent global warming is not statistically significantly related to anthropogenic forcing. On the other hand, we find that greenhouse gas forcing might have had a temporary effect on global temperature.”
This is a most interesting paper, and potentially a bombshell, because they have taken virtually all of the significant observational datasets (including GISS and BEST) along with solar irradiance from Lean and Rind, and CO2, CH4, N2O, aerosols, and even water vapor data and put them all to statistical tests (including Lucia’s favorite, the unit root test) against forcing equations. Amazingly, it seems that they have almost entirely ruled out anthropogenic forcing in the observational data, but allowing for the possibility they could be wrong, say:
“…our rejection of AGW is not absolute; it might be a false positive, and we cannot rule out the possibility that recent global warming has an anthropogenic footprint. However, this possibility is very small, and is not statistically significant at conventional levels.”
I expect folks like Tamino (aka Grant Foster) and other hotheaded statistics wonks will begin an attack on why their premise and tests are no good, but at the same time I look for other less biased stats folks to weigh in and see how well it holds up. My sense of this is that the authors of Beenstock et al have done a pretty good job of ruling out ways they may have fooled themselves. My thanks to Andre Bijkerk and Joanna Ballard for bringing this paper to my attention on Facebook.
The abstract and excerpts from the paper, along with link to the full PDF follows.
Polynomial cointegration tests of anthropogenic impact on global warming
M. Beenstock1, Y. Reingewertz1, and N. Paldor2
1Department of Economics, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Mount Scopus Campus, Jerusalem, Israel
2Fredy and Nadine Institute of Earth Sciences, the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Edmond J. Safra campus, Givat Ram, Jerusalem, Israel
Abstract.
We use statistical methods for nonstationary time series to test the anthropogenic interpretation of global warming (AGW), according to which an increase in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations raised global temperature in the 20th century. Specifically, the methodology of polynomial cointegration is used to test AGW since during the observation period (1880–2007) global temperature and solar irradiance are stationary in 1st differences whereas greenhouse gases and aerosol forcings are stationary in 2nd differences. We show that although these anthropogenic forcings share a common stochastic trend, this trend is empirically independent of the stochastic trend in temperature and solar irradiance. Therefore, greenhouse gas forcing, aerosols, solar irradiance and global temperature are not polynomially cointegrated. This implies that recent global warming is not statistically significantly related to anthropogenic forcing. On the other hand, we find that greenhouse gas forcing might have had a temporary effect on global temperature.
Introduction
Considering the complexity and variety of the processes that affect Earth’s climate, it is not surprising that a completely satisfactory and accepted account of all the changes that oc- curred in the last century (e.g. temperature changes in the vast area of the Tropics, the balance of CO2 input into the atmosphere, changes in aerosol concentration and size and changes in solar radiation) has yet to be reached (IPCC, AR4, 2007). Of particular interest to the present study are those processes involved in the greenhouse effect, whereby some of the longwave radiation emitted by Earth is re-absorbed by some of the molecules that make up the atmosphere, such as (in decreasing order of importance): water vapor, car- bon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide (IPCC, 2007). Even though the most important greenhouse gas is water vapor, the dynamics of its flux in and out of the atmosphere by evaporation, condensation and subsequent precipitation are not understood well enough to be explicitly and exactly quantified. While much of the scientific research into the causes of global warming has been carried out using calibrated gen- eral circulation models (GCMs), since 1997 a new branch of scientific inquiry has developed in which observations of climate change are tested statistically by the method of cointegration (Kaufmann and Stern, 1997, 2002; Stern and Kauf- mann, 1999, 2000; Kaufmann et al., 2006a,b; Liu and Ro- driguez, 2005; Mills, 2009). The method of cointegration, developed in the closing decades of the 20th century, is intended to test for the spurious regression phenomena in non-stationary time series (Phillips, 1986; Engle and Granger, 1987). Non-stationarity arises when the sample moments of a time series (mean, variance, covariance) depend on time. Regression relationships are spurious1 when unrelated non- stationary time series appear to be significantly correlated be- cause they happen to have time trends.
The method of cointegration has been successful in detecting spurious relationships in economic time series data.
Indeed, cointegration has become the standard econometric tool for testing hypotheses with nonstationary data (Maddala, 2001; Greene, 2012). As noted, climatologists too have used cointegration to analyse nonstationary climate data (Kauf- mann and Stern, 1997). Cointegration theory is based on the simple notion that time series might be highly correlated even though there is no causal relation between them. For the relation to be genuine, the residuals from a regression between these time series must be stationary, in which case the time series are “cointegrated”. Since stationary residuals mean- revert to zero, there must be a genuine long-term relationship between the series, which move together over time because they share a common trend. If on the other hand, the resid- uals are nonstationary, the residuals do not mean-revert to zero, the time series do not share a common trend, and the relationship between them is spurious because the time series are not cointegrated. Indeed, the R2 from a regression between nonstationary time series may be as high as 0.99, yet the relation may nonetheless be spurious.
The method of cointegration originally developed by En- gle and Granger (1987) assumes that the nonstationary data are stationary in changes, or first-differences. For example, temperature might be increasing over time, and is there- fore nonstationary, but the change in temperature is station- ary. In the 1990s cointegration theory was extended to the case in which some of the variables have to be differenced twice (i.e. the time series of the change in the change) be- fore they become stationary. This extension is commonly known as polynomial cointegration. Previous analyses of the non-stationarity of climatic time series (e.g. Kaufmann and Stern, 2002; Kaufmann et al., 2006a; Stern and Kaufmann, 1999) have demonstrated that global temperature and solar irradiance are stationary in first differences, whereas green- house gases (GHG, hereafter) are stationary in second differ- ences. In the present study we apply the method of polyno- mial cointegration to test the hypothesis that global warming since 1850 was caused by various anthropogenic phenom- ena. Our results show that GHG forcings and other anthropogenic phenomena do not polynomially cointegrate with global temperature and solar irradiance. Therefore, despite the high correlation between anthropogenic forcings, solar irradiance and global temperature, AGW is not statistically significant. The perceived statistical relation between tem- perature and anthropogenic forcings is therefore a spurious regression phenomenon.
Data and methods
We use annual data (1850–2007) on greenhouse gas (CO2, CH4 and N2O) concentrations and forcings, as well as on forcings for aerosols (black carbon, reflective tropospheric aerosols). We also use annual data (1880–2007) on solar irradiance, water vapor (1880–2003) and global mean tem- perature (sea and land combined 1880–2007). These widely used secondary data are obtained from NASA-GISS (Hansen et al., 1999, 2001). Details of these data may be found in the Data Appendix.
We carry out robustness checks using new reconstructions for solar irradiance from Lean and Rind (2009), for globally averaged temperature from Mann et al. (2008) and for global land surface temperature (1850–2007) from the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study.
Key time series are shown in Fig. 1 where panels a and b show the radiative forcings for three major GHGs, while panel c shows solar irradiance and global temperature. All these variables display positive time trends. However, the time trends in panels a and b appear more nonlinear than their counterparts in panel c. Indeed, statistical tests reported be- low reveal that the trends in panel c are linear, whereas the trends in panels a and b are quadratic. The trend in solar irradiance weakened since 1970, while the trend in temperature weakened temporarily in the 1950s and 1960s.
The statistical analysis of nonstationary time series, such as those in Fig. 1, has two natural stages. The first consists of unit root tests in which the data are classified by their order and type of nonstationarity. If the data are nonstationary, sample moments such as means, variances and co- variances depend upon when the data are sampled, in which event least squares and maximum likelihood estimates of parameters may be spurious. In the second stage, these nonstationary data are used to test hypotheses using the method of cointegration, which is designed to distinguish between genuine and spurious relationships between time series. Since these methods may be unfamiliar to readers of Earth System Dynamics, we provide an overview of key concepts and tests.
Fig. 1. Time series of the changes that occurred in several variables that affect or represent climate changes during the 20th century. a) Radiative forcings (rf, in units of W m−2) during 1880 to 2007 of CH4 (methane) and CO2 (carbon dioxide); (b) same period as in panel a but for Nitrous-Oxide (N2O); (c) solar irradiance (left ordinate, units of W m−2) and annual global temperature (right ordinate, units of ◦C) during 1880–2003.
[…]
3 Results
3.1 Time series properties of the data
Informal inspection of Fig. 1 suggests that the time series properties of greenhouse gas forcings (panels a and b) are visibly different to those for temperature and solar irradiance (panel c). In panels a and b there is evidence of acceleration, whereas in panel c the two time series appear more stable. In Fig. 2 we plot rfCO2 in first differences, which confirms by eye that rfCO2 is not I (1), particularly since 1940. Similar figures are available for other greenhouse gas forcings. In this section we establish the important result that whereas the first differences of temperature and solar irradiance are trend free, the first differences of the greenhouse gas forcings are not. This is consistent with our central claim that anthropogenic forcings are I (2), whereas temperature and solar irradiance are I (1).
Fig. 2. Time series of the first differences of rfCO2.
What we see informally is born out by the formal statistical tests for the variables in Table 1.
Although the KPSS and DF-type statistics (ADF, PP and DF-GLS) test different null hypotheses, we successively increase d until they concur. If they concur when d = 1, we classify the variable as I (1), or difference stationary. For the anthropogenic variables concurrence occurs when d = 2. Since the DF-type tests and the KPSS tests reject that these variables are I (1) but do not reject that they are I (2), there is no dilemma here. Matters might have been different if according to the DF-type tests these anthropogenic variables are I (1) but according to KPSS they are I (2).
The required number of augmentations for ADF is moot. The frequently used Schwert criterion uses a standard formula based solely on the number of observations, which is inefficient because it may waste degrees of freedom. As mentioned, we prefer instead to augment the ADF test until its residuals become serially independent according to a la- grange multiplier (LM) test. In most cases 4 augmentations are needed, however, in the cases of rfCO2, rfN2O and stratospheric H2O 8 augmentations are needed. In any case, the classification is robust with respect to augmentations in the range of 2–10. Therefore, we do not think that the number of augmentations affects our classifications. The KPSS and Phillips–Perron statistics use the standard nonparametric Newey-West criteria for calculating robust standard errors. In practice we find that these statistics use about 4 autocorrelations, which is similar to our LM procedure for determining the number of augmentations for ADF.
[…]
Discussion
We have shown that anthropogenic forcings do not polynomially cointegrate with global temperature and solar irradiance. Therefore, data for 1880–2007 do not support the anthropogenic interpretation of global warming during this period. This key result is shown graphically in Fig. 3 where the vertical axis measures the component of global temperature that is unexplained by solar irradiance according to our estimates. In panel a the horizontal axis measures the anomaly in the anthropogenic trend when the latter is derived from forcings of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide. In panel b the horizontal axis measures this anthropogenic anomaly when apart from these greenhouse gas forcings, it includes tropospheric aerosols and black carbon. Panels a and b both show that there is no relationship between temperature and the anthropogenic anomaly, once the warming effect of solar irradiance is taken into consideration.
However, we find that greenhouse gas forcings might have a temporary effect on global temperature. This result is illustrated in panel c of Fig. 3 in which the horizontal axis measures the change in the estimated anthropogenic trend. Panel c clearly shows that there is a positive relationship between temperature and the change in the anthropogenic anomaly once the warming effect of solar irradiance is taken into consideration.
Fig. 3. Statistical association between (scatter plot of) anthropogenic anomaly (abscissa), and net temperature effect (i.e. temperature minus the estimated solar irradiance effect; ordinates). Panels (a)–(c) display the results of the models presented in models 1 and 2 in Table 3 and Eq. (13), respectively. The anthropogenic trend anomaly sums the weighted radiative forcings of the greenhouse gases (CO2, CH4 and N2O). The calculation of the net temperature effect (as defined above) change is calculated by subtracting from the observed temperature in a specific year the product of the solar irradiance in that year times the coefficient obtained from the regression of the particular model equation: 1.763 in the case of model 1 (a); 1.806 in the case of model 2 (b); and 1.508 in the case of Eq. (13) (c).
Currently, most of the evidence supporting AGW theory is obtained by calibration methods and the simulation of GCMs. Calibration shows, e.g. Crowley (2000), that to explain the increase in temperature in the 20th century, and especially since 1970, it is necessary to specify a sufficiently strong anthropogenic effect. However, calibrators do not re- port tests for the statistical significance of this effect, nor do they check whether the effect is spurious. The implication of our results is that the permanent effect is not statistically significant. Nevertheless, there seems to be a temporary anthropogenic effect. If the effect is temporary rather than permanent, a doubling, say, of carbon emissions would have no long-run effect on Earth’s temperature, but it would in- crease it temporarily for some decades. Indeed, the increase in temperature during 1975–1995 and its subsequent stability are in our view related in this way to the acceleration in carbon emissions during the second half of the 20th century (Fig. 2). The policy implications of this result are major since an effect which is temporary is less serious than one that is permanent.
The fact that since the mid 19th century Earth’s temperature is unrelated to anthropogenic forcings does not contravene the laws of thermodynamics, greenhouse theory, or any other physical theory. Given the complexity of Earth’s climate, and our incomplete understanding of it, it is difficult to attribute to carbon emissions and other anthropogenic phenomena the main cause for global warming in the 20th century. This is not an argument about physics, but an argument about data interpretation. Do climate developments during the relatively recent past justify the interpretation that global warming was induced by anthropogenics during this period? Had Earth’s temperature not increased in the 20th century despite the increase in anthropogenic forcings (as was the case during the second half of the 19th century), this would not have constituted evidence against greenhouse theory. However, our results challenge the data interpretation that since 1880 global warming was caused by anthropogenic phenomena.
Nor does the fact that during this period anthropogenic forcings are I (2), i.e. stationary in second differences, whereas Earth’s temperature and solar irradiance are I (1), i.e. stationary in first differences, contravene any physical theory. For physical reasons it might be expected that over the millennia these variables should share the same order of integration; they should all be I (1) or all I (2), otherwise there would be persistent energy imbalance. However, during the last 150 yr there is no physical reason why these variables should share the same order of integration. However, the fact that they do not share the same order of integration over this period means that scientists who make strong interpretations about the anthropogenic causes of recent global warming should be cautious. Our polynomial cointegration tests challenge their interpretation of the data.
Finally, all statistical tests are probabilistic and depend on the specification of the model. Type 1 error refers to the probability of rejecting a hypothesis when it is true (false positive) and type 2 error refers to the probability of not rejecting a hypothesis when it is false (false negative). In our case the type 1 error is very small because anthropogenic forcing is I (1) with very low probability, and temperature is polynomially cointegrated with very low probability. Also we have experimented with a variety of model specifications and estimation methodologies. This means, however, that as with all hypotheses, our rejection of AGW is not absolute; it might be a false positive, and we cannot rule out the possibility that recent global warming has an anthropogenic footprint. However, this possibility is very small, and is not statistically significant at conventional levels.
Full paper: http://www.earth-syst-dynam.net/3/173/2012/esd-3-173-2012.pdf
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D. Boehm is commenting on anything but the content of my 2.30 post, and it is easy to understand why. He is a consummate ducker and diver.
See my comment on the BBC forced to admit thread:
Philip Shehan says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
January 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm
That is assuming you are not the umpire pretending to be a player over there rigging the game and it does get posted.
Boehm has not denied that he is wearing two hats at the same time and as I note above his silence is uncharacteristic and in this case deafening. If he is engaging in that conduct it I submit it is incompatible with the “Best Science” status for this site which Boehm himself mentions.
Note my “sycophantic grovelling” to Layman (January 7 3:22 pm) was sarcasm aimed at Boehm, in that I could henceforth use the plot and fit supplied by Layman and not be berated incessantly for using what he describes as John Cook’s cartoon.
I noted with regard to his outraged spluttering in another comment that he is slow to recognise the use of sarcasm when it is used against rather than by him.
D. Boehm. I am devastated. The bromance is over, just when I thought we were getting on so well.”
I was not “miffed” in my response to Layman (January 8 2:02 pm) I am politely discussing the matters raised. Specifically I am pointing out that I am not attributing any physical significance to the curve fit, only that it provides an excellent aid to the eye in demonstrating the nonlinearity of the temperature data.
D Boehm even gets a compliment from me . I here supply sarc on /sarc off indicators (typos corrected):
“I am unsure as to what your point is about non stationary residuals. The discussion, as stated by the authors of the paper in reference to figure 1c, is about how the raw temperature data from 1880 to 2007 appears that figure. As noted above I reject richardscourtney’s quibble that use of data other than the NASA GISS data is “a blatant logical flaw.” [sarc on] I am sure D Boehm will agree with me [sarc off] as he has also used other data sets as an entirely acceptable substitute.
I don’t see how the residuals, with which I have no argument, are relevant.”
Actually the more I read my post to Layman the more I think it worth quoting in detail:
‘I agree that that the correlation, or model if you prefer explains nothing about the last 15 years or anything prior, in the sense D. Boehm enunciates:
“Layman is correct when he says that we can’t really tell anything from the past 15 years from that model. As I have repeatedly pointed out, the only way to see if global temperatures are accelerating is by using a long term trend chart, based on verifiable data.” Examination of the last fifteen years of the data set, or prior to 1880 cannot substitute for an examination of the entire data set from 1880-2007.“
[This is a ‘Gotcha’ as Boehm completely reversing himself having interminably berated me for making exactly this point. He insisted over and over again that the last 15 years could substitute for that entire set. Astonishing.]
Returning to my reply to Layman:
‘The essential point is whether or not the curve fit whether linear or third order polynomial or something else provides a good fit (in terms of a high correlation coefficient r2).
Welcoming any further comment or explanation on this, but for your plot showing good nonlinear curve fit to temperature data for the period presented and discussed in figure 1c, I remain sycophantically grateful.’
[The final words a shot at Boehm]
I see Shehan is still fixated on me. He can’t help himself. Good. I like the entertainment.
The title of this article is: A new paper shows statistical tests for global warming fails to find statistically significantly anthropogenic forcing
My central — and really, my only point — is that there has been no acceleration in global warming. But Shehan avoids that fact like Dracula avoids the dawn. Instead, he engages in his wild-eyed, arm waving rants that have nothing to do with my central point.
If Shehan would simply acknowledge the scientific truth, that there is no acceleration in the natural global warming trend, we would be done here. But Shehan cannot admit to that observed fact, even though his entire side now admits that global warming has stalled. He has too much misplaced pride, and it is based on willful ignorance.
Shehan keeps me amused, ranting about everything except the central point I repeatedly make: there is no acceleration of global warming. None. Any claim that there is is based entirely on pseudo-science.
Au contraire,
It is Stealy who refuses to stick to the point here. The authors assertion as to the appearence of the temperature curve in figure 1panel c.
Philip Shehan says:
January 4, 2013 at 8:43 am
Quoting from the paper:
“3.1 Time series properties of the data
Informal inspection of Fig. 1 suggests that the time series properties of greenhouse gas forcings (panels a and b) are visibly different to those for temperature and solar irradiance (panel c). In panels a and b there is evidence of acceleration, whereas in panel c the two time series appear more stable.”
Informal inspection of the temperature data of panel c does show acceleration, matching that of the greenhouse gas forcing plots in a and b. The temperature rise appears less dramatic due to different scaling factors used in the 3 plots…
In support of my eyeballing of the accelerating nature of the data from 180 to 2007 (based on over 3 decades experience in examining such graphs):
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/11901124/img/Anonymous/hadsst2-with-3rd-order-polynomial-fit.jpeg
Compare this to the data set Stealy presents and the linear fit:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/compress:12/offset/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1850/to:2010/trend/offset
QED
Shehan,
As usual you are lying through your teeth by posting your mendacious 3rd order polynomial graph. Yes: lying. Layman has explained to you that such a graph is not valid, yet you dishonestly keep posting it.
Honesty is not in you. QED
To repeat Joe Bastardi’s comment on another thread this morning:
The effect of CO2 is negligible. It is so small that it cannot be measured. But some folks are so invested in their lies about “accelerating” global warming that they become a laughingstock by repeating their pseudo-scientific nonsense.
Off and on I have looked at Cosmic Ray data from the Moscow Neutron Monitor. Since it starts at 1958 I have looked at fits with SST with the same start date. Since Philip Shehan likes to plot my 3op fit to the 1850 start date (rather than the more telling residuals), just for the heck of it here is the 3op fit to the 1958 start date.
There you go. My informal inspection of the data since 1958 “shows” deceleration in temperature, counter to the greenhouse gas forcing plots in Fig 1 (a) and (b) since 1958. My informal insepection puts the point of inflection sometime around 1990 or even earlier.
Still appealing to “authority”. No, he didn’t
I guess a link would help.
Actyually Layman, I think this fit is even better, but Boehm goes absolutely feral whenever I present it. I am afraid he may have a stroke, but I am prepared to risk it.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/AMTI.png
Shehan,
You keep posting that mendacious chart invented by the cartoonist John Cook as if it has anything to do with reality. It doesn’t.
Going by your own 1997 date, this shows conclusively that there is no acceleration in global warming.
Question: Why do you keep lying about it?
Rats. My post to layman immediately before $:38 failed to appear. Trying again:
Layman, I have no problem with the graph you have presented.
I took your initial response to me to mean that these plots are not indicative of any causal relationship. I agreed, noting that I was only discussing, in reference to the comments by the authors the temperature data set from 1880 to 2007 and whether a linear or non linear fit is a better visual match to the data
I contend that the non linear plot you supplied covering that period:
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/11901124/img/Anonymous/hadsst2-with-3rd-order-polynomial-fit.jpeg
appears to match the data better than a linear plot:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/compress:12/offset/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1850/to:2010/trend/offset
Again, as with the authors of the paper, I am talking about nothing more than appearance here. On that basis only, in your opinion, which curve looks a better fit to the data?
I will reproduce a comment here from the BBC thread that more fully explains my position:
Philip Shehan says:
January 12, 2013 at 7:04 am
clivebest:
I do not disagree with much of what you write. But as I pointed out in my post to Werner it is possible to overinterpret the data by going into too fine a detail
.
The central issue I am interested in (as discussed in the “AGW Bombshell?” thread is the APPEARANCE (Don’t mean to shout. How do you do italics or bold on this site anyway?) of the temperature record from 1880 to 2007. Specifically whether or not a linear or nonlinear curve best fits the graphical presentation of the entire temperature data set.
This does not require a detailed examination of all the factors including solar cycles, aerosols, particulates, greenhouse gas concentrations el nino and la nina events etc contributing to the appearance of the final temperature graph. Nor does it require a theoretical or cause and effect explanation for the curve function, linear or otherwise, chosen to fit the data. (There is no reason to assume a priori that a linear fit, any more than a nonlinear function describes the underlying physical reality of the temperature data. Linear fits are easy to do and given the noise levels of data sets of a century or a few decades or less they give an acceptable quick and dirty visual summary of the trend, so we all use them.)
In my post to Werner I argue and present links to graphs which indeed show that short term linear fits to 15 or 10 year sections of the long term temperature data can go every which way (like a yo -yo as he says in his reply) and are therefore not a good guide to the appearance of a fit covering the whole data set.
And Werner, in response to your question:
It sounds like the La Nina in 1999 balanced out the 1998 El Nino. Then what is wrong with starting a slope in 1997?
Absolutely nothing. Your explanation about the la nina 1999 event balancing out the el nino of 1998 is probably correct, and is precisely why you need to look at the long term where such events balance out as much as possible. Starting with 1997 would just be another short term section indicating nothing about the whole data set. I can add it to my earlier plot. As 1997 also includes the southern hemisphere el nino summer of 1997-98, the linear fits are unsurprisingly very similar:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1993/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2000.3/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1993/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1998/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1996/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1999/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1997/trend
Rats again. My post to Layman immediately preceeding my 4:38 pm post failed to appear. as did (I think) my attempted repost. Perhaps it is too large.
I will try in two halves: (Apologies two the moderator if my earlier attempt actually got through)
Layman, I have no problem with the graph you have presented.
I took your initial response to me to mean that these plots are not indicative of any causal relationship. I agreed, noting that I was only discussing, in reference to the comments by the authors the temperature data set from 1880 to 2007 and whether a linear or non linear fit is a better visual match to the data
I contend that the non linear plot you supplied covering that period:
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/11901124/img/Anonymous/hadsst2-with-3rd-order-polynomial-fit.jpeg
appears to match the data better than a linear plot:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/compress:12/offset/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1850/to:2010/trend/offset
Again, as with the authors of the paper, I am talking about nothing more than appearance here. On that basis only, in your opinion, which curve looks a better fit to the data?
I will reproduce a comment here from the BBC thread that more fully explains my position:
Continuing:
Philip Shehan says:
January 12, 2013 at 7:04 am
clivebest:
I do not disagree with much of what you write. But as I pointed out in my post to Werner it is possible to overinterpret the data by going into too fine a detail
.
The central issue I am interested in (as discussed in the “AGW Bombshell?” thread is the APPEARANCE (Don’t mean to shout. How do you do italics or bold on this site anyway?) of the temperature record from 1880 to 2007. Specifically whether or not a linear or nonlinear curve best fits the graphical presentation of the entire temperature data set.
This does not require a detailed examination of all the factors including solar cycles, aerosols, particulates, greenhouse gas concentrations el nino and la nina events etc contributing to the appearance of the final temperature graph. Nor does it require a theoretical or cause and effect explanation for the curve function, linear or otherwise, chosen to fit the data. (There is no reason to assume a priori that a linear fit, any more than a nonlinear function describes the underlying physical reality of the temperature data. Linear fits are easy to do and given the noise levels of data sets of a century or a few decades or less they give an acceptable quick and dirty visual summary of the trend, so we all use them.)
In my post to Werner I argue and present links to graphs which indeed show that short term linear fits to 15 or 10 year sections of the long term temperature data can go every which way (like a yo -yo as he says in his reply) and are therefore not a good guide to the appearance of a fit covering the whole data set.
And Werner, in response to your question:
It sounds like the La Nina in 1999 balanced out the 1998 El Nino. Then what is wrong with starting a slope in 1997?
D Böehm Stealey says:
January 11, 2013 at 6:17 pm
But Shehan avoids that fact like Dracula avoids the dawn.
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aptly put. My read of Shehan is that he lacks the intellectual courage to confront valid objections to his viewpoints. I have been trying to pin him down on the product of GCM’s for weeks, and still he dodges. He is the slippery type.
Okay Shehan, once again: I say that the GCM’s project indefinite warming because that is what they are designed to do. If you disagree, show me a GCM projection that shows other than warming.
@Philip Shehan
Both curve fits are equally good……not.
The important point here is that GHG’s have accelerated, but I agree with the authors – there is no evidence that temperatures have accelerated. Not informally or formally, or by my eyeball or your eyeball, or your SKS curve fit or my 1958 start date.
Furthermore, I would also concur with the authors that co2 is of the integration order I(2) and needs to be differentiated in order to explore the possible linear relationship to temperature (which is I(1)).In time series analysis this is axiomatic but I have kept my opinions pretty much to myself because of what I believe is implied – that co2 changes are caused by accumulated changes in sst. Further support is lended when seeing the lagged co2 relationships in such comparisons.
I did a comparison myself by plotting the normalized derivative of annual co2 along side normalized Reynolds OI sst (which GISS uses). Hopefully, this will be my last comment as I have no interest in getting drawn into prolonged arguments over this. FWIW I am still open minded on this but I haven’t seen any satisfactory demonstrations (and certainly no arm waving) which goes the full distance to explain the data. Troy.ca (whom I have immense respect for) has come the closest. IMO someone must reproduce the diff(co2) vs sst fit (not a simulation) with a compelling alternative model for this to be explained.
I would ask readers to review and consider the literature on non-stationary time series analysis (and cointegration analysis) before being to quick to dismiss.
Is there anyone else here who can explain to mpainter his faulty reasoning in this matter because I have tried and he still doesn’t get it.
Then what’s the point? If your choice of model comes purely from which one informally “looks” prettier, without any consideration of the underlying data generating process and the physics of the system whatsoever, then any inferences made about “acceleration” are wrong. Plain and simple.
I haven’t read every comment in this thread, so I’m sure someone else has made the same point, but I could fit a higher order polynomial which “fits” the data better and shows deceleration, but without a proper discussion of model diagnostics, such an “analysis” would also tell us nothing.
Layman Lurker says:
January 12, 2013 at 11:19 pm
Furthermore, I would also concur with the authors that co2 is of the integration order I(2) and needs to be differentiated in order to explore the possible linear relationship to temperature (which is I(1)).In time series analysis this is axiomatic but I have kept my opinions pretty much to myself because of what I believe is implied – that co2 changes are caused by accumulated changes in sst.
The problem with this analysis by economists is that they don’t address the science involved. It appears that they use the approach: “If you have a hammer everything looks like a nail”!
It is well established physics that at the concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere the absorption of IR by CO2 is approximately proportional to log([CO2]), so at very least the should apply their method to log([CO2]). If they were to do that, with the exponential growth of [CO2], they’d find that the CO2 forcing is I(1).
Perhaps you could demonstrate that for us Phil? I transformed annual co2 into forcing (1.73*co2^0.263) as described in an article here. Then I normalized both co2 and the transformed co2 (forcing) and plotted for comparison. A straight log transformation had basically the same effect. From this it would appear that co2 forcing would have the same order of integration. If I have overlooked something please feel free to point it out.
In any event, the transformation does not apply when the frame of reference is to explain atmospheric co2 as a function of sst.
Phil.
Previous papers on the subject (e.g. Garcia 2009 & Estrada 2010) have found that both rfCO2 and temperature can be better described as trend stationary processes (i.e. I(0)) with at least one structural break.
Layman Lurker says:
January 14, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Phil. says:
January 14, 2013 at 9:22 am
“It is well established physics that at the concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere the absorption of IR by CO2 is approximately proportional to log([CO2]), so at very least the should apply their method to log([CO2]). If they were to do that, with the exponential growth of [CO2], they’d find that the CO2 forcing is I(1).”
Perhaps you could demonstrate that for us Phil? I transformed annual co2 into forcing (1.73*co2^0.263) as described in an article here.
The paper that is the source of that curve says the following:
“For changes in CO2 alone, radiative forcing can be approximated by a natural logarithmic function with a climate sensitivity parameter determining the change in temperature (McGuffie and Henderson-Sellers, 1997).”
This is what one expects from the physics (see ‘Curve of growth’).
However, in the model Lenton used he fitted the expression that you used above, for the opacity of CO2, it’s just an arbitrary fit with no fundamental basis in physics.
In any event, the transformation does not apply when the frame of reference is to explain atmospheric co2 as a function of sst.
Where did this come from?
If that’s what you’re interested in you should be considering the temperature dependence of the Henry’s Law coefficient. This is related to exp(1/T), in equilibrium with seawater pCO2 doubles for a 16K increase in SST.
I would not argue this point. Derivations based on Henry’s law obviously must be considered (along with all other ocean related components of the carbon cycle).