Beyond bizarre: University of Graz music professor calls for skeptic death sentences

[Update, Parncutt has pulled his page, the webcite link still works, 1:00 am PDT 12/24/12 ~mod]

UPDATE2:  9AM PST 1/24 The Parncutt page now gets a 404 “file not found” error, which to me suggests that University of  Graz officials pulled the plug on it rather than Parncutt, as Parncutt alludes to and expects the reactions in his ugly essay and was prepared for them. Based on his demeanor, if he had pulled it, I posit that he would have left some rationalization essay in its place. In the wake of well known mass shootings this year, I suspect the University of Graz didn’t want this PR disaster on their hands before it got beyond the blogging world and into the MSM. See below for the page that I archived using an established and accepted archiving service  – Anthony

UPDATE3: 5AM Dec 25th, Parcutt’s page has returned, completely rewritten without a hint of the ugliness of the previous one. It’s a Festivus miracle! I blame the airing of grievances. – Anthony

The bizarre world of AGW proponentry continues. I wonder how David Appell will react to this one? Jo Nova tells us of the latest climate ugliness that is beyond bizzare, and, even more disturbing, we see who’s motiviating this man’s hate. – Anthony

Richard Parncutt

Jo Nova writes:

Death threats anyone? Austrian Prof: global warming deniers should be sentenced to death

Richard Parncutt,  Professor of Systematic Musicology, University of Graz, Austria, reckons people like Watts, Tallbloke, Singer, Michaels, Monckton, McIntyre and me (there are too many to list) should be executed. He’s gone full barking mad, and though he says these are his “personal opinions” they are listed on his university web site.

For all the bleating of those who say they’ve had real “death threats“, we get discussions about executing skeptics from Professors, wielding the tyrannical power of the state. Was he paid by the state to write these simplistic, immature, “solutions”? Do taxpayers fund his web expenses? (And what the heck is systematic musicology?)

Here’s a quote from Parncutt:

“I have always been opposed to the death penalty in all cases…”

“Even mass murderers [like Breivik] should not be executed, in my opinion.”

“GW deniers fall into a completely different category from Behring Breivik. They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. We could be speaking of billions, but I am making a conservative estimate.”

Read the whole story here at Jo Nova’s place: http://joannenova.com.au/2012/12/death-threats-anyone-austrian-prof-global-warming-deniers-should-be-sentenced-to-death/

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This is the ranting of a person who has become propagandized.

Reading Parncutt’s web page at the University of Graz it becomes clear where his delusions originate from. He names the websites “Skeptical Science” and DeSmog blog as his sources.

“For a reputable summary of arguments for and against GW, see skepticalscience.”

“Much more would have happened by now if not for the GW deniers. An amazing number of people still believe that GW is a story made up by scientists with ulterior motives. For a long list of climate change deniers and their stories see desmogblog.”

As his affirmed sources for his article calling for the death of climate skeptics, John Cook and Jim Hoggan now own this despicable ugliness. The question is: will they care? And will they condemn this or agree by their silence?

My guess is neither John Cook nor Jim Hoggan will have the moral integrity to condemn this man’s delusional hatred. I hope to be proven wrong.

Since his page will likely be modified or disappeared once University of Graz officials realize they have a rogue PR disaster on their hands, I’ve permanently archived the page here:

Richard Parncutt. Death penalty for global warming deniers?. University of Graz. 2012-12-24. URL: http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html. Accessed: 2012-12-24. (Archived by WebCite® at http://www.webcitation.org/6D8yy8NUJ)

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Jimmy Haigh
December 23, 2012 10:40 pm

The man’s a lunatic.

Pingo
December 23, 2012 10:53 pm

With enemies like these..

TomRude
December 23, 2012 10:56 pm

No Graz for you!

December 23, 2012 10:56 pm

His last (and only second) “tweet” is interesting:
https://twitter.com/rparncutt/status/219698270392426496

Byron
December 23, 2012 10:57 pm

Mentioned this before this article was posted but it bears repeating , does anyone have access to/know how to use the “wayback machine” web archive ?
I can see this page getting “disappeared” rather quickly from the university website , assuming it`s not a spoof site or a send-up
Reply: Anyone can access the wayback at archive.org, but there is no way to permanently archive the information there. It the professor above or his IT dept adds a no archive tag to certain text files, it is likely that the information, even if now archived, will disappear in the future. Even webcite, which Anthony uses, will remove information at the copyright holder’s request, but it’s a little tougher for them. Print a PDF and save it, or taking screen grabs is another option, but there is no organized or centralized repository for such records. ~ mod

Byron
December 23, 2012 10:59 pm

Re: My previous post
Ooops , just noticed , already done

John
December 23, 2012 11:04 pm

If Herr Parncutt is serious, it helps explain how otherwise intelligent people embraced mass murdering ideologies like Communism and Nazism.

Chris Tangey
December 23, 2012 11:05 pm

You talk about the Professor’s “solutions”, I was wondering why you didn’t just go the whole hog and call them “final solutions”, a term once quite popular in Austria. Hmm…why do I have this irresistible urge to draw a little black moustache on his picture…..?

ggm
December 23, 2012 11:06 pm

AGW fraudsters like Parncutt, HAVE TO resort to threats of violence. Otherwise evenually the public will catch on, and realise that these people are pedling a deliberate and planned fraud. These people know that there has been no warming for 16 years now, and that if this trend continues for just another 4 years, then the public will all of a sudden realize, that there has been no warming for “20 years”, and this was nothing but a massive, deliberate and pre-meditated fraud. There will be calls for long jail sentances for these (alleged) fraudsters. I believe the like of Parncutt, Hansen et al., now realize they are going to jail for their deception and the billions wasted due to their fraud, so they are now doubling up their rhetoric, in a last ditch effort to convince anyone who listen.

Pablo an ex Pat
December 23, 2012 11:09 pm

I am sorry Herr Professor but you premise is badly out of kilter with reality. The delusional people are not the science skeptiks but those who assert that the science is settled. Science is never settled. It is a subject for constant debate. to paraphrase Einstien said when the Nazi’s presented a book in which 100 eminent scientists said he was wrong “If I was wrong it would have taken only one to prove it”
Just because you believe that 1 x X = Y does not mean that all agree that your assumption that the number you have assumes = X is correct. If the assumed number for X is incorrect then the entire equation is suspect. It would appear more and more obvious that the X assumed by the IPCC and their cohorts with respect to Climate Forcing Mechanisms is incorrect. So if that is so then who, in the face of evidential proof, would be the “denier” then ?

Dave
December 23, 2012 11:12 pm

Does John Gummer (UK politician) realise Parncutt cites The World Future Council as his inspiration? Gummer is a WFC member – listed on their website.

BCBill
December 23, 2012 11:14 pm

True believers of almost any stripe have the potential for great violence. As the models and reality diverge, the warmistas become more strident and shrill. This nutbar seems like a bad joke, but there are enough noble cause tyrants out there that the AGW “debate” could turn even uglier. Very scary.

juanslayton
December 23, 2012 11:19 pm

I sent the following email to the university:
Dear Sirs,
I am astonished that you allow professor Parncutt to use your web site to advocate the violence of capital punishment against scientists who express opinions with which he disagrees. I thought you dispensed with this kind of thinking about the middle of the last century.
Sincerely,
John Slayton
260 Sundance Ct
Azusa CA, USA
PS. I am a skeptic. If any of Professor Parncut’s have thoughts of taking it upon themselves to implement his program, be aware that I live in a country where citizens are authorized to arm and defend themselves from would-be assassins.

(Should read Parncutt’s followers)

Chris
December 23, 2012 11:23 pm

wow so true history repeating itself. People becoming like Hitler without even realizing it.. must think more..

DesertYote
December 23, 2012 11:23 pm

Funny thing for a leftie to say, considering that socialism, in all of its guises, has been the greatest single cause of death of man. To them, a 100 Million deaths here and there does not matter as long as the cause is right. Now they want to condemn mankind to a future of poverty and death to satisfy their lust for power.

CodeTech
December 23, 2012 11:23 pm

I would say it was unbelievable, but it’s completely par. Those who don’t SAY this are actually thinking it. The thought, the very idea, that they might be wrong, or their assessment could be in error, never even seriously enters their heads. It jars them that others find their conclusions to be wrong. I’m certain that AGW believers are as convinced of their rightness as ANY religious fanatic.
And really, that’s what it is about. Religion. It has been centuries since any Christians seriously believed that nonbelievers should be killed, and, well Islam still seems to encourage the belief. And always, the same who mock and deride religion are completely unaware that they are in the grips of the replacement.
“Progressives” should be proud of what they have created. The success rate is staggering. Mr Hilter invaded Europe with a lower percentage of “true believers” and a higher percentage dragged unwilling into the pointless world-changing battle. The futility of both, however, is equal.
(For anyone keeping track, YES I’ve referenced both religion and Nazism in the same post, and YES I believe AGW believers and crusaders are completely identical in mindset, and will have equally or greater destructive results to civilization)

Steve C
December 23, 2012 11:27 pm

What a poisonous little piece of propagandism. Used to be you had to lift the stone to see such creatures scuttling around. I wish our musical Prof a happy, Stockhausen-filled Christmas.

Velcro
December 23, 2012 11:28 pm

Wow!

Sceptic lank
December 23, 2012 11:38 pm

Hitler’s informative years were spent in Graz. Many of his relatives lived there. I suspect the Professor may be waving the family flag. Open the door of the Graz asylum please. Let him in and close it….Quickly!

Aldoustenpenny
December 23, 2012 11:42 pm

Shorter version: “I am a neurotic beta male nerd and wish to take out my frustrated vengeance upon the world. I will construct a white knight fallacy and revenge fallacy to insulate myself from my own deep seated self loathing. “

December 23, 2012 11:46 pm

Well we had English ‘luvvies’ and the bird from the X-files detonating children who didn’t believe in Global Warming, now we have a music academic….seems to me like the less one understands the science the more extreme one’s beliefs.

Sandor
December 23, 2012 11:49 pm

Greetings from comrade Lysenko!

Other_Andy
December 23, 2012 11:51 pm

Another Lewandowsky. Why are there so many unhinged Australian (He was born and educated-indoctrinated in Australia) ‘professors’?

Peter Miller
December 23, 2012 11:52 pm

At last, someone who makes Mann look good in comparison.

Other_Andy
December 23, 2012 11:55 pm

An apology to my fellow Antipodeans.
Lewandowsky is an American import.

georgi
December 23, 2012 11:57 pm

funny – austrian calls for death penalty for people that don’t agree with him!
Totalitarianism is alive and well in Graz just wearing a different hat.

L
December 23, 2012 11:58 pm

Time to stop calling things by their politically correct names. Thanks to some forgotten soul on this blog some days ago, the correct appelation for such creatures is “warmunists.” L

Editor
December 23, 2012 11:59 pm

Parncutt is now officially off my Christmas card list.

Slabadang
December 24, 2012 12:03 am

They loose thier religion!
They went allin with the argument and belife that they had the science behind thier mathusian domesday religion. Now when its totally clear thet thier “science” is pure junnkscienca and they cant win any scientific debate this is whats left for them stupid hate from loosing. From riding on high horses they are now down in the mud and know that we are laughing at them. They all ready hated sceptics just for not beliving in CAGW doctrine when we on top of that proove them wrong they jiust cant handle the situation. These are dangerous people but thank good they are loosing influence and power. The staggering numbers if fruitcsces showing them slfes within the CAGW ranks just make yu wonder whats wrong with them all? Totally blind evil fanatics.

December 24, 2012 12:03 am

So he’s supporting a petition – with 199 supporters – 999,801 NEEDED
“…GW deniers fall into a completely different category from Behring Breivik. They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. We could be speaking of billions, but I am making a conservative estimate…”
Just think how many millions of “future people” we’d have now if there hadn’t been a forced removal of 5 – 6 million European Jews in 1945.

December 24, 2012 12:04 am

Don’t blame it on Austria.
The fruit loop is from Australia. He’s obviously got a bunch of galahs in the top paddock.

Peter Dunford
December 24, 2012 12:04 am

As a mass murderer of future people on a modest scale, I have to say that it’s really nice not having to fit actual murdering into my daily schedule or waste time wiping blood off my hands. I’ve seen Dexter, killing people is WORK. This way seems much easier.
Only thing is, I’m not quite sure what I’m doing that Parncutt isn’t, apart from not expressing absurd views. Oh, wait….

Patrick.
December 24, 2012 12:05 am

He’s a Prof. of Systematic Musicology????! What on Earth is that exactly? Did he make this rediculous statement expecting the world to end Dec 21, 2012? Another attempt to de-humanise those who hold a different PoV. Sounds very familar!

December 24, 2012 12:07 am

I am a music composer. Therefore, I am as much entitled to my opinion on climate matters as a mentally disturbed musicologist from the parasite-infested Museum of the Past Glory, which is Europe. However, my opinion on musicologists should carry a bit more weight, shouldn’t it?
Composers write music — good or bad, this is for listeners to decide. Musicians perform it — some are excellent, the others awful — this, again, is for the audience to decide. There are music teachers; some of them are useful. A good music teacher is usually an old person, a former successful professional performer; he demonstrates many technical skills and explains, how to acquire them. As in any teaching profession, good music teachers are rare. Effective musical education is possible only in a personal setting (one teacher, one student; frequent regular classes; practical demonstration and training only, no theoretical idle talk).
And then there are musicologists… Historically, these were summarily despised by successful professional musicians. Musicologists are useless chatterboxes, producing nothing but tons of scrap paper. Ostensibly they study the way music is written — but they cannot write music themselves, and no music composer ever used their scribbles as a guidance. Ostensibly musicologists are “scholars” — but (excuse me for not mincing words) a prostitute on a street corner is more useful to fellow human beings than a scholar of this sort. Unlike a musicologist, a prostitute has to earn her living by doing something real, however disgusting.
A musicologist is a truly pathetic academic parasite. He doesn’t satisfy any social or cultural need but consumes social resources to produce nothing but endless blah-blah about works of genius, the soul and essence of which he is incapable of comprehending.

Alex
December 24, 2012 12:08 am

Another indication that cagw is a religion. This is a call to kill the infidels.

December 24, 2012 12:13 am

He said “People will be saying that Parncutt has finally lost it.” Yes you are right mate. As a matter of fact you are going to loose your job. Idiot!!

Ken B
December 24, 2012 12:14 am

Now where did the University hide that red button. Boy, its all in the warmist camp, the Gliecks, The Lewandowskis’s, I wonder what they will Cook up next. Its rather pathetic to see them continue along this path…… but that’s what happens when Flim Flannery and tricks fail, they don’t like the truth.

December 24, 2012 12:26 am

I can see Parncutt now, compiling his list. And then going to bed dreaming of his mass killing of denier enemies. Sounds just like Hitler or Stalin to me. See this is the real under current of feeling with the Alarmist human haters, this will be privately applauded by a high percentage the Alarmists . I mean they hate themselves for being human, and they are saving the planet, so just imagine what they think of deniers? Yes they would really enjoy the killing. It was but a short step for Hitler to Treblinka.

ranchorelaxo61
December 24, 2012 12:26 am

I would not expect anything less from this crowd…

December 24, 2012 12:27 am

P.S.
It is considered “politically incorrect” nowadays to judge a person by his or her appearance.
I vehemently disagree with this groundless notion: much of what you need to know about a human being is written, clearly and for all to see, on his or her face.
Just look at this professor Parncutt! Look at Michael Mann, look at Joe Romm, look at Peter Gleick. What pathetic faces, what nauseating, poisonous expressions, what turpitude! These are people making their living by lying. Professors do it at the behest of powerful masters, manipulators of society — but of course professors explain it to themselves as a saintly, self-effacing work for a precious cause (incidentally providing them with very comfortable living at taxpayers’ expense).
How else? Don’t we all want to think well of ourselves? Little worms want to have a high self-esteem, too.
Professors, professional liars… They are at it every moment of their existence. Constant preoccupation with weaving lies and rationalizing them in more and more devious words leaves an unmistakable impression on their appearance.

alacran
December 24, 2012 12:30 am

Shocking! What a queer statement! Welcome back in a medieval world!But just have a look on this “professors” site and you will see from his bundle of activities and opinions, that he’s obviously not burdend with his job. A notorious “Well-meaning-man” and, as you know, well-meant is the contrary to well-done!

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 12:35 am

I am not at all surprised.
It was only a matter of time before we saw this type of insanity raise its head. Lewandowsky set the stage, Robyn Williams of the ABC took it a step further and now Parncutt is sending up the next trial balloon. Each time another line will be crossed until we are afraid to mention our disbelief in CAGW for fear of physical retaliation.
Everything was supposed to be a done deal by Copenhagen, 2009. Now the weather is very likely to turn cold as they darn well know and the time to ram through the global warming treaties is slipping away fast. The IPCC report was let out of the bag too soon so they HAVE to come up with a way to silence us.
The frustration of course is not about CAGW but about the possibility of losing the grand socialist utopia the CAGW scam was supposed to usher in. The whole scheme of Agenda 21 and ‘global governance’ is being revealed for what it is. In the USA state resolutions against Agenda 21 have passed in Tennessee and Alabama and are being pushed in many other states. There is even growing resentment of the ‘Global Governance’ poster child, the EU. Everything is falling apart before it could be solidly locked in however with Obama a second term president there is still hope and they will grab it and fight HARD.
Be very very careful Anthony. I have already had one outspoken on line/e-mail friend suddenly disappear in the height of a political battle so please do take care.

Admin
December 24, 2012 12:40 am

The only other time I ever heard of musicology was here.

E.M.Smith
Editor
December 24, 2012 12:43 am

Um, isn’t advocating for death of those whom you do not like considered “Hate Speech”?
Isn’t it a “Hate Crime” to advocate for the death of those whom you do not like?
Are not “Hate Speech” and “Hate Crimes” something that most Universities say are bad things?
If you take his statement and instead of “GW deniers” put in Blacks, Hispanics, Women, Gays, Jews, Asians, or heck, even “White male”; would it not be found vile, unacceptable, “Hate Speech”?
Waiting for the Hardcore Globalist Warmers to ‘spain why this time is different…

Reply to  E.M.Smith
December 24, 2012 12:59 am

E.M. Smith,
Generally, hate speech is defined as speech against a protected class. Unfortunately, while convicted felons are a protected class in my home town, Climate Skeptics are not, and I doubt they are in Austriastan.

James Allison
December 24, 2012 12:44 am

[We try not to post things like that ~ mod]

December 24, 2012 12:46 am

Please don’t rush to judgement. You might be discussing a delightful person, a cultured and considerate person whose mind has been filled with extreme views in which he believes honestly and deeply. There are many people who sincerely believe that humanity is threatened and separating into two opposed groups, in the same way that The Sex Pistols are dangerous to the sacred music of Mozart.
You are not going to change this person by insult or reasoning. You should not bother, for that will merely renew his determination to utter more statements.
Why not just leave it alone now and use the old adage “All publicity is good publicity”?

son of mulder
December 24, 2012 12:47 am

I shall stick with my pseudonym.

Nigel S
December 24, 2012 12:49 am

He’s got ’em on the list — he’s got ’em on the list;
And they’ll none of ’em be missed — they’ll none of ’em be missed.
Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
All centuries but this, and every country but his own;…

Adam Gallon
December 24, 2012 12:53 am

So much for Parncutt’s petition!
“Sign this petition
with 199 supporters
999,801 NEEDED”
After 5 months’ he can only find 199 Ecoloons to support it.

Adam Gallon
December 24, 2012 12:55 am

Addendum
The link http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html has goe 404 already!

Math Genius
December 24, 2012 12:59 am

It’s even more bizarre.
Graz is the native town of former former Governor Schwarzennegger and they named their stadium after him. But in 2005 he refused to pardon a death row inmate and because of that they renamed it into “Stadion Graz-Liebenau”, now UPC-Arena.

Pat Frank
December 24, 2012 1:01 am

WUWT is an open forum, with the lightest of moderation. Studied opinions are politely entertained here, as Prof. Jerome Ravitz can testify.
I’m sure Anthony and everyone else will agree that Prof. Richard Parncutt, and his acknowledged ethical co-adjudicator, Prof. John Sloboda, are welcome to come here and make their case in open debate.
Dr. Sloboda is an interesting case. He is an emeritus professor of Keele University, Newcastle-under-Lyme, UK, where he researched psychology and music. He is also senior management of the Oxford Research Group, which bills itself as, “a leading independent think-tank that has been influential for 30 years in pioneering the idea of sustainable approaches to security as an alternative to violent global confrontation…” (my bold). The inadvertent irony is astonishing.
Do they have the courage to openly, freely, and rationally debate their convictions — here in public — with those they have convicted? I don’t doubt for a second that Anthony would give them a forum.
So, I invite their guest post on WUWT, am anxious to see them rationally defend their judgment, and very much look forward to the opportunity of a debate. I’m sure they’d be treated with respect on WUWT.
And if their inspirators, John Cook and the DeSmogBlog team, would like to join the fun and defend the Austrian death penalty, I’m equally sure they’d be welcome.
The ball is in their court. Do they have the courage to contest their convictions?

JaceF
December 24, 2012 1:05 am

Nice fella, here he is in a published letter in the Guardina
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2012/nov/27/guardian-weekly-letters-30-november
To avoid the US fiscal cliff, the rich will have to pay more tax (16 November). The democratically elected US president has a mandate, but Congress, which is dominated by millionaires, will try to stop him. This is corruption at the highest level. Democracy? You must be joking. Off with their heads? Today, we prefer to avoid violence, although millions are dying of hunger and preventable disease worldwide, killed indirectly by the selfishness of rich politicians.
Richard Parncutt
Graz, Austria

JuergenK
December 24, 2012 1:06 am

Geoff Sherrington said:
“Please don’t rush to judgement. ”
Don’t judge the person, neither the people.
Richard Parncutt was borne in down under, look here: http://www.uni-graz.at/~parncutt/CVchronologic.html.

Thatcher-right
December 24, 2012 1:08 am

[that’s just not helpful to the discussion, maybe something similar with a lighter, perhaps humorous touch ~ctm]

Peter Hannan
December 24, 2012 1:10 am

What a wanker (scuse my French)! ‘They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. We could be speaking of billions, but I am making a conservative estimate.’ How many people in the world die now, each year, because they do not have the basics for a decent life (energy, water, food, shelter, medicine)? China, India, Brazil, and then other developing countries, will continue to develop, and increase their use of fossil fuels, quite rightly, in order to lift their populations out of a poverty that kills hundreds of millions of real (not future) children and adults each year. Over twenty years ago, a Black American friend of mine gave me a quote from Julius Nyerere, the socialist president of Tanzania; I’ve tried to find an independent source for it, without success, so it may be apocryphal, or simply not recorded, but the idea is important anyway: ‘Yes, of course we should divide the cake equally; but the cake has to be big enough.’
The 49ers’ kicker got a death threat via Twitter because he’d missed some field goals. Fanatical idiocy! Richard Parncutt is in the same class as that fanatic: isn’t it a criminal offence to issue death threats?

Hilary Ostrov (aka hro001)
December 24, 2012 1:12 am

Looks like someone’s taken the page down already. Screencap at:
http://wp.me/aJtnm-ZD

Vincent
December 24, 2012 1:15 am

Yes, the page has gone. What is surprising is that it stayed there since at least 25 October 2012.
That’s two months before the University twigged to the nonsense he sprouts and decided to remove it.

Pat Frank
December 24, 2012 1:16 am

Adam, Re: 404, I have an html format download of Richard Parncutt’s death penalty page, which I’d be happy to send to Anthony for archiving.

Sandor
December 24, 2012 1:17 am

just sent the followin e-mail:
Dear Mr. Parncutt,
I believe that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proofs. I also belive that statistically insignificant trends do NOT represent extraordinary proofs, neither does research where the data is not made available for peer reviews, nor computer models that fail to predict reality.
I also belive that arguments based on correlation instead of proven causation and negative arguments of the type “we do not know what is causing this so it must be caused by that” are not extraordinary proofs.
Please let me know if this is enough in your view to have me killed, or should a few years in a reeducation camp be enough to cure me from beliving in the scientific method?
yours
Sandor Bende-Farkas
six sigma master black belt

Mike Bromley the Canucklehead
December 24, 2012 1:18 am

This man is thankfully not a musician. I can’t imagine the dissonance he would be capable of, especially that of the cognitive variety. What a leech. The page is gone, thankfully, and viral through the wayback machine.

James Allison
December 24, 2012 1:22 am

Aw shucks ctm. Just wanting to wish the Aussie bloke a merry Xmas.
Reply: Feel free to do so, I’m now signing off my guest appearance bye. Oh crap I forgot the new style rule until now ~mod

Ian E
December 24, 2012 1:36 am

With just a very little re-education the man would fit very well into the BNP. This is a truly shcking story – and he clearly thinks he has reached a logical, well-reasoned position. Witch-hunts next?

Aussie Luke Warm
December 24, 2012 1:45 am

Firstly, he is an Australian. How embarrassment for me and my nation.
I think this is his pitch to get his snout in the trough, must be more grants money available than there is for music studies.

Bruce C
December 24, 2012 1:49 am

Alex says:
December 24, 2012 at 12:08 am
Another indication that cagw is a religion. This is a call to kill the infidels.
http://youtu.be/-gZ6-6RbSEg

Scarface
December 24, 2012 1:51 am

This is indeed very wrong. I just sent Mr Parncutt this reply by email:
Dear Mr Parncutt,
Please allow me to introduce myself.
My name is … … and I live in The Netherlands.
Today I found out that you want the death penalty for global warming deniers.
(http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html which is now on a 404-error and not showing anymore)
I am a skeptic and in your words a global warming denier. The fact that you threathen people with death who disagree with your opinion is sinister and very wrong. You should reconsider your statement and plead for open debate in stead of killing your opponents.
In the meantime:
Would it come so far that you start your plan of killing people for their ideas, here is my adress:
… … …
… … …
The Netherlands
Please don’t shoot me in front of my son.
In case you have outsourced the killing, let me know where I may show up for transport to a death camp or a public execution. You do realize that I and other skeptics have kids too? And that we want the best for them in the future too?
Remember this: “When people stop talking, bodies are produced instead of words.”
Looking forward to your reply.
Yours sincerely,
… …
The Netherlands
(I have hidden my name and adress here, but not in the original email)

ExWarmist
December 24, 2012 1:53 am

I would like to see him name just 10 people who have yet to be born who have been killed by “Influential GW Deniars”…
Show me the body…

December 24, 2012 1:54 am

Imbeciles like Parncutt are actually an asset to skeptics (but keep them away from sharp objects).
They demonstrate just how imbalanced their CAGW cult truly is, and erode the credibility of the global warming alarmist movement.
Some history on threats against skeptics:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/22/letters-i-get-letters/#more-59917
About a decade ago, I wrote an article in the National Post, saying that Canada should not ratify the Kyoto Protocol.
I soon received an angry, threatening email from someone who held me personally responsible for the flooding of the City of Prague.
I replied:
Dear Sir, you are entirely correct.
I am the One fully responsible for the flooding of Prague.
Now “run along”, or I’ll do it again.

petermue
December 24, 2012 1:56 am

There’s (still) some more delusion at the bottom of his profile webpage.
“We need a global wealth tax!
Global warming is really happening. It is due to human activities, largely irreversible, and a massive threat to future generations (more). It could be stopped by programs financed by new global taxes on wealth, environmental damage and financial transactions. But the rich are hiding US$ 30 trillion in tax havens, and global warming deniers and media are distorting the facts, which is risking the lives of hundreds of millions. Not only that – fossil fuels are still being subsidized! If you are concerned, please either sign my petition or send me a suggestion for improving it. And sign up to 350.org.”

http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 1:58 am

Geoff Sherrington says:
December 24, 2012 at 12:46 am
Please don’t rush to judgement. You might be discussing a delightful person…..
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You are either very young or very sheltered. Either way you have not learned from history. These people are not playing games and we have had enough recent history to know if they grab power people DIE. Do I have to name the names of these ‘delightful people’?

GregK
December 24, 2012 2:02 am

Buggar……..one of ours. With the L, not without.
At least he’s a Victorian, not a West Australian.
I wonder if he’s a mate of Robyn Williams?

Admad
December 24, 2012 2:09 am

Emailed Prof Neuper, University rector. Parncutt should, in any decent world, be dismissed for gross misconduct for such absolute stupidity.

Carsten Arnholm, Norway
December 24, 2012 2:13 am

Death threats from an angry Austrian artist? …..that can safely be ignored…………or

December 24, 2012 2:14 am

A deranged opinion from an Austrian; does this ring a bell?
Merry Christmas to all!

David Ross
December 24, 2012 2:20 am

Parncutt’s page has also been cached by Google in full
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-graz.at%2Frichard.parncutt%2Fclimatechange.html
and text only
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?strip=1&q=cache:http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html
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The World Future Council page Establishing Crimes Against Future Generations
http://www.worldfuturecouncil.org/fjcrimes.html
has been waybacked
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.worldfuturecouncil.org/fjcrimes.html
and has also been webcited here
http://www.webcitation.org/6D9Bgx1kO
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See also
http://www.worldfuturecouncil.org/ecocide.html
which has been webcited here
http://www.webcitation.org/6D9C0Q94G
And
http://www.change.org/petitions/we-need-a-global-wealth-tax
This is a litmus test for every alarmist.
But I’m not going to comment further.
It’s Christmas and I’ve got other things to.
Again, Merry Christmas everyone
Don’t let $*&gh! idiots like this get you down.

anarchist hate machine
December 24, 2012 2:31 am

I can’t say much without it being snipped. What I will say is this: when they kick, kick back harder.

December 24, 2012 2:32 am

The good Herr Professor made me sick, but what seriously upset my stomach was the World Future Council site.

Logan in AZ
December 24, 2012 2:47 am

Ernest R. Hilgard was a famed experimental and theoretical psychology prof at Stanford who found that hypnotizability is more or less normally distributed. Thus, about 15% of the population is very suggestible. He worked with about 5,000 individuals and his findings were confirmed at Harvard with group testing, using recorded inductions and suggestions.
The more fanatic individuals in various political and social groups probably derive from this sub-population. For example, Pakistan madrasas produce a flow of suicidal Taliban from the highly suggestible fraction.
There is also an interesting phenomenon called ‘absorption’, which can be estimated by the Tellegen Absorption Scale (TAS). This has a modest (r=0.4) correlation to hypnotizability.
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~kihlstrm/TAS.htm
The questions have been removed from the net, but I read the page some time ago and found only one or two questions that applied to me. People with high TAS scores (average is 20 positive answers out of 34) are the artists and those who are highly influenced by music, plays, novels, TV….and propaganda.
This might sound somewhat obscure, but this blog, I speculate, is simply the refuge of persons who are not very suggestible. If you think this type of science is irrelevant to current affairs, google —
Obama NLP

December 24, 2012 2:49 am

If I’m just a little bit sceptical can I expect a short gaol term or maybe amputation of a limb or two, you know, to teach me a jolly good lesson and to deter others?

December 24, 2012 2:55 am

Why do you assume he is intelligent? I mean he teaches hula hoop twirling (or something equally important). It doesn’t take brains, just gall.
Here at random, check out the UCLA Musicology deptment faculty.
A bunch of diversity hires, several leavened with a love for Soviet marching songs, a few down with the struggle against “globalization” and capitalism. One, the head of the dept, hawking his musicological experience as a star witness for a fee at copyright infringement trials.
If you want to sue Huey Lewis, to get a fat royalty check of “Hip to be Square” because the song uses a Dorian Bass progression, just like your song from back in the Hit Parade, Professor Bob Fink is your guy!
Scumbags and frauds – everyone of them.

Stacey
December 24, 2012 2:56 am

Richard Pancake Professor of Systematic Murder at the University of Graz has advocated the use of trains to transport realists to his camps for many years on the grounds that they are the most environmentally friendly mode of transport.
The concentration of the realists at various locations thoroughout the Austrian Reich ensures an efficient solution to the problem which can be executed sustainably with maximum recycling .

LetsBeReasonable
December 24, 2012 2:56 am

It does raise the question as to how cupable someone should be if they knowingly fabricate evidence that leads to the loss of life at a later date.

December 24, 2012 3:03 am

Geoff Sherrington says:
December 24, 2012 at 12:46 am
Please don’t rush to judgement. You might be discussing a delightful person, a cultured and considerate person whose mind has been filled with extreme views in which he believes honestly and deeply.

But but but… dear Geoff, a delightful, culture and considerate person who honestly and deeply advocates the mass execution of his opponents is not a delightful, cultured and considerate person. The moral quality of your beliefs (and actions) is not determined by how sincerely and deeply you hold them or how cultivated you are. Most war criminals are pretty sincere.

J Cooper
December 24, 2012 3:04 am

Makes me think back to the Greenpeace “We know where you live” comment, words fail me, this is fascism and it’s ugly. How can someone so intelligent be such a moron at the same time.
Sad day in the climate debate.

thorsten
December 24, 2012 3:08 am

Being a music lover and record-collector, I have occasionally had contact with “musicologists”, and I must confess I always had a hard time taking them serious, even when they stuck to their area of expertise. I mean, anybody trying to “explain” what the anti-musical cacophony of a “work” by Schoenbearg or Stockhausen “means”, must be either pulling my leg or suffer from a pathological delusion. It has been the job of academic music and art experts for decades to defend the indefensible, namely that there is not a fundamental difference between geniuses like Bach and Da Vinci on one hand, and charlatans like John Cage and Jackson Pollock on the other. Exactly what we see in “climate science” now – these folks must feel ever so comfortable and at home among CAGW activists!

J Cooper
December 24, 2012 3:11 am

Geoff Sherrington
I agree this person should be ignored and hopefully he will go away. But I do think his employers should be informed about his extremist views.

Jason
December 24, 2012 3:11 am

Here is another Parncutt quote:
“Consider this: If ten million people are going to die with a probability of 10%, that is like one million people dying with a probability of 100%.”
I am nearing the point of losing all faith in academia.

December 24, 2012 3:14 am

There is an example of an adult apparently deranged by the fears he has acquired through the media and organisations such as the World Future Council. I say apparently because he may already have been unhinged and merely spotted the climate scare as an outlet for some self-expression. In either case, it is unsettling given the worldwide pushing of frightening stories about climate on to children, often accompanied by a clear attribution of blame to people in general and to their parents in particular. How many little potential Parncutts are being developed as a result? There is a big mess to be cleared up here, because this sort of indoctrination is going on even as the scientific case for acute alarm disintegrates still further, along with the moral and economic cases for ‘solutions’ being proposed by those claiming to be alarmed. My guess is that we have not seen the end of climate-related turpitude such as that displayed by Parncutt.

Robert S
December 24, 2012 3:23 am

I wouldn’t have thought that sceptics made enough noise to warrant a sceptic slayer to come after them; especially not in the EU and Austria – where they are practically unnown.

mpainter
December 24, 2012 3:26 am

Richard Parncutt
He advocates that the death penalty be applied to whom he terms “GW deniers”, as a preventative measure. He cites the figure of one billion deaths in the future, due to global warming, as the justification. He advocates that mass murders and serial killers be spared, but that “GW deniers” receive the death penalty. Anyone who has posted on “denier” blogs would come under scrutiny.
Did you catch that? “GW deniers”- that’s you. If you have disputed any of the science of the global warmers, or have disagreed with their intentions, you get gassed (the Nazis have shown the most efficient means for mass liquidations).
As inspiration for these thoughts, Parncutt cites the project *Establishing Crimes Against Future Generations* (linked) an initiative of the *World Future Council* (linked). The World Future Council consists of “50 personalities” with HQ in Hamburg, Germany. Their website also gives the “50 personalities” photos and c.v., and the same information on staff and management board.They do not look like the types who would liquidate hundreds of millions for argument’s sake, but one never knows with people whose self-appointed mission is to save the world from itself.
Interesting that a proposal that involves the liquidation of uncounted hundreds of millions throughout the world because of their beliefs should come from the city (Graz, Austria) that was home to the youthful Adolf Hitler. Parncutt is an Australian, another interesting co-incidence.

richard verney
December 24, 2012 3:28 am

Some commentators have rightly raised the parallel with the adoption and spread of Nazism (which incidentally had its roots in the far left, not the far right). The fact that ostensibly intelligent people could hold such extreme views is a sad indictment of humanity.
What is often not discussed is how holding such views waters down the crimes of the like of Breivik, and how such appalling crimes, little by little fail to shock and fail to raise the condemnation that they deserve.
I have high confidence that those directly and indirectly effected by Breivik’s crimes do not remotely consider that so called AGW deniers fall in a worse catagory than the likes of Breivik.
I am all for free speech, and I hold the view that the professor can hold whatever views he likes. However, that said, I find his views utterly disgusting and the sooner the universtity distance themselves from this individual the better.

December 24, 2012 3:30 am

I went to desmogblog’s list of deniers and noticed I’m not listed there.
http://www.desmogblog.com/global-warming-denier-database
I may have to do something about it.

klem
December 24, 2012 3:31 am

“And what the heck is systematic musicology?”
That’s what I’d like to know as well. Sounds like a true musicians worst nightmare.

cui bono
December 24, 2012 3:44 am

So DeSmugBlog’s list of “deniers” is now a hit list?
Essentially the Professor has demanded that all of the folks on the list be judged worthy of death.
Surely a legal issue here somewhere….

dave ward
December 24, 2012 3:46 am

“That would also make national debts illegal”
What, just like that??? He should try running this idea past the likes of Rothschild, JP Morgan & Goldman Sachs…

December 24, 2012 3:52 am

He’s not a professor, he’s a very naughty boy…

AllanM
December 24, 2012 4:01 am

Alexander Feht says:
December 24, 2012 at 12:07 am
As a professional musician (pianist) myself, I thoroughly agree with you. The damage that the academic world has done to music in the last century is incalculable, mostly while pretending to be scientific.
As Thomas Beecham defined: “A musicologist is someone who can read music, but can’t hear it.”
Or perhaps: eunuchs in a harem.

lurker passing through, laughing
December 24, 2012 4:08 am

The genocidal professor’s web page in question is already gone. Thank God the internet is forever.
I do wonder what it is about self-righteous Austrians and political mass murder?

December 24, 2012 4:09 am

thorsten says:
December 24, 2012 at 3:08 am
“… It has been the job of academic music and art experts for decades to defend the indefensible, namely that there is not a fundamental difference between geniuses like Bach and Da Vinci on one hand, and charlatans like John Cage and Jackson Pollock on the other. Exactly what we see in “climate science” now – these folks must feel ever so comfortable and at home among CAGW activists!”
Yes.

Philw(UK)
December 24, 2012 4:13 am

mm What comes to mind is the number of people who have been forced into fuel poverty by the green subsidies added to energy prices.. so they feel they cannot have the heating on on a winter’s day and subsequently die from the cold.. now, who are ultimately responsible for those policies?

December 24, 2012 4:14 am

I wonder what sentence the professor would give to the advocates of biofuels, abandoning food farms for biofuel crops, thus causing famines, treatening some 11 million people
http://www.aidemocracy.org/students/famine-in-the-horn-of-africa-caused-by-biofuels/

December 24, 2012 4:22 am

I expect this Prof is so gullible that when he goes on a site called Skeptical Science he believes it is balanced summary, and then he gets angry and silly and puts up emotional junk on his website. The culprits are the ones who pull the strings of their puppet.
Unfortunately the puppet-masters are very clever at manipulation, whilst honest people shy away from providing simple sound bites and oversimplified summaries of the arguments. We have to counter this malign culture by putting out simplified and truthful press releases so that our message is not drowned out by this constant manipulation of the way the debate is being framed by our enemies for the media.

kim
December 24, 2012 4:23 am

Heh, for a small fee you can get the process expedited to list someone you don’t like @ DeSmog.
These people won’t sense it when they drift into criminal behaviour.
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RichieP
December 24, 2012 4:23 am

Here’s Parncutt’s email address. I’m sure some of us might wish to communicate with him.
richard.parncutt@uni-graz.at

Robert S
December 24, 2012 4:27 am

For the second time* – I would not have thought that sceptics and WUWT had sufficient impact in the EU and especially Austria to warrant a sceptic slayer to be brought against them.
*First time just disappeared.

commieBob
December 24, 2012 4:35 am

DesertYote says:
December 23, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Funny thing for a leftie to say, considering that socialism, in all of its guises, has been the greatest single cause of death of man. To them, a 100 Million deaths here and there does not matter as long as the cause is right. Now they want to condemn mankind to a future of poverty and death to satisfy their lust for power.

The same totalitarian pigs who wrapped themselves in the socialist flag would have also insisted that they were true democrats. You can’t use that as proof that all forms of socialism are bad any more than you can use it to prove that all forms of democracy are evil.

Jimbo
December 24, 2012 4:36 am

Richard Parncutt
GW deniers fall into a completely different category from Behring Breivik. They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. We could be speaking of billions, but I am making a conservative estimate.
http://www.webcitation.org/6D8yy8NUJ

What a load of bollocks! Now two can play this game.
DDT = millions of dead children in the past and present.
Biofuels = food turned into fuel
UK excess cold winter deaths = promised mild winters by the Met Office
Diversion of global resources = away from solving life threatening diseases like Malaria
and so on……………………………….

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 4:41 am

Logan in AZ says:
December 24, 2012 at 2:47 am
Ernest R. Hilgard was a famed experimental and theoretical psychology prof at Stanford who found that hypnotizability is more or less normally distributed. Thus, about 15% of the population is very suggestible…..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thank you for that information. It certainly explains a lot.

Berényi Péter
December 24, 2012 4:44 am

In a nutshell the good professor of systematic musicology opposes the death penalty for mass murderers who have already killed their victims, but advocates the same fate for those now, whose current actions would “cause hundreds of millions of deaths” with high probability at some future date (according to skepticalscience, whose authority, presumably, should never be questioned under threat of capital punishment either).
For raping human rights this way and putting due process into a mass grave along with the rest of constitutional principles, he expects the Pope to turn him into a saint by 2050. Never mind the Pope does not even have such powers, except if nine theologians judged in advance the case had merit and two provable postmortem miracles occurred.
If this guy is not terminally mad, I’d eat my hat happily in public.

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 4:49 am

papiertigre says:
December 24, 2012 at 2:55 am
Why do you assume he is intelligent? …..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

BRAMS is pleased to announce that Prof. Richard Parncutt (University of Graz, Austria) is an Invited Scholar from April 18th to July 8th 2012. While at BRAMS, Prof. Parncutt will be working on a book about systematic musicology (based on a lecture series at the University of Graz) and some empirical and theoretical papers….
ABOUT RICHARD PARNCUTT
Richard Parncutt is a musicologist specialising in the psychology of music. Since 1998, he has been Professor of Systematic Musicology at the University of Graz, Austria. His publications address musical structure (pitch, consonance, harmony, tonality, tension, rhythm, meter, accent), music performance (psychology, piano, applications), the origins of tonality and of music, and musicological interdisciplinarity. He holds qualifications in music and physics from the University of Melbourne and a PhD from the University of New England, Australia. He was guest researcher with Ernst Terhardt (Munich), Johan Sundberg (Stockholm), Annabel Cohen (Halifax, Canada), Al Bregman (Montreal), and John Sloboda (Keele, England). He is or was a board member of all leading music psychology journals, founding academic editor of the Journal of Interdisciplinary Music Studies (JIMS), and (co-) founder of three conference series: Conference on Interdisciplinary Musicology (CIM), Conference on Applied Interculturality Research (cAIR), and International Conference of Students of Systematic Musicology (SysMus)…..
http://www.brams.org/en/2012/05/parncutt/

Ye 10,000 little gods, psychology AND physics….

DirkH
December 24, 2012 4:54 am

Logan in AZ says:
December 24, 2012 at 2:47 am
“There is also an interesting phenomenon called ‘absorption’, which can be estimated by the Tellegen Absorption Scale (TAS). This has a modest (r=0.4) correlation to hypnotizability.”
Extremely interesting, Logan, thanks for the link!
And merry christmas to all of you!

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 4:57 am

J Cooper says:
December 24, 2012 at 3:11 am
Geoff Sherrington
I agree this person should be ignored and hopefully he will go away….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If he was isolated madman chance met like a similar guy I ran across in Cambridge MA. then I would agree with you but he is not. He is a Professor and a well known one in his field. This type of mania HAS TO BE CALLED OUT NOW.
Vid

December 24, 2012 5:00 am

Is it worth making a list of these extreme statements? There are a bunch of them now and I’m not sure anyone has collected them all onto one page.
It might seem a little strange to do it but considering how often they quickly disappear I’m thinking they should be documented.
eg 10:10 video, Greenpeace’s “we know where you live”, Hansen’s “death trains”, Robyn Williams equating sceptics to paedophiles and now Parncutt’s “I think it is justified for a few heads to roll”.

Robert S
December 24, 2012 5:06 am

……practically unknown.

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 5:07 am

AllanM says:
December 24, 2012 at 4:01 am
Alexander Feht says:
December 24, 2012 at 12:07 am
They have done the same thing to Art. That is why I am a chemist instead.

Charles.U.Farley
December 24, 2012 5:12 am

Poor Dick.
One minute he’s happily doing whatever a musicologist does and in the next uncle adolfs inherited dormant braincell is stuttering into life and shouting about Ubermensch, final solutions, Tod Klimawandel-Leugner!!!
We shouldnt really mock the afflicted though because as others have rightly pointed out, these people are actually dangerous.
Theyre dangerous to anyone with a differing point of view and to freedom.
For him to actually state that Breivik shouldnt face the death penalty for killing people and then try to justify that contrary held opinions deserve the death penalty purely on a belief is to my mind the symptom of a twisted mind.
Dicks rant is that of a psychopath, who else other than a psychopath would actually suggest that a child for instance should be “executed” ( as if using that word can legitimise such murders) simply for the offence of not “believing”?
The mind truly boggles at such peoples mindset.
This guy is in effect inciting murder of those on the desmoblog death list.
Im pretty sure incitement to commit murder is a criminal offence in most countries, the fact that Dicky states that opinions other than his are somehow unlawful, unreasonable or irrelevant shows how poorly vetted these “academics” are.
For sure people like Parncutt arent to be trusted around the minds of children or in fact anyone else, theyre pernicious little psychos pushing a religious fanaticism.
We should all stand against such people and what they stand for and be prepared to fight them however.

Doug
December 24, 2012 5:15 am

A quote from the “Systematic Musicology” Wiki page: “These questions tend to be answered either by analysing empirical data (based on observation) or by developing theory – or better, by a combination of both.”
In other words, if the data doesn’t work, make crap up to fit the meme.
See? He IS qualified to discuss issues of AGW.

Steve Keohane
December 24, 2012 5:20 am

Interesting what comes out in his vitriol.While the urge to reply in kind is strong, I certainly don’t want it on the www. What is it with people who are so impressed with whatever they can think of. No self-censure seems to me a sign of a lack of conscience. Without conscience. is there a case for empathy? I guess he teaches how death camps are wrought.

December 24, 2012 5:27 am

Josualdo says:
December 24, 2012 at 3:30 am
I went to desmogblog’s list of deniers and noticed I’m not listed there.
http://www.desmogblog.com/global-warming-denier-database
I may have to do something about it.
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Holy Cow! A list of my heroes complete with most excellent quotes that I can use when needed. Thank you Josualdo! I wish you luck in being added to this list of some of the most rational people on the planet.
I would also suggest the E.M. Smith be honored by inclusion as well.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Bennett

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 5:38 am

leftturnandre says:
December 24, 2012 at 4:14 am
I wonder what sentence the professor would give to the advocates of biofuels, abandoning food farms for biofuel crops, thus causing famines, treatening some 11 million people….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have not seen anything yet. The USA grows something like 25% of the worlds food and the USDA and the EPA under Obama are sharping their blades. The much hated traceability rule has just gone into effect and the EPA is also targeting farms.

…. farms: under federal permitting requirements, sources (i.e. a farm whose aggregate emissions exceed CAA permitting thresholds) would be required to comply with costly permitting mandates and pay an annual fee for each ton of greenhouse gas emitted on an annual basis. Known as the “cow tax”, there would be a cost-per-animal outcome. EPA itself estimates that in its best case scenario, there will be over 37,000 farms and ranches subject to greenhouse gas permits at an average cost of $23,000 per permit annually, affecting over 90% of the livestock production in the United States…. [the average farmer operates at a net LOSS of ~$15,000/yr last I checked]
[this would cover field and livestock run off]
EPA’s proposed new guidance document for waters covered by the CWA, proposed in April 2011, reinterprets recent Supreme Court decisions to allow EPA to expand federal control over virtually every body of water in the United States, no matter how small. EPA’s own analysis of the document estimated that up to 17% of current non-jurisdictional determinations would be considered jurisdictional using the new guidance. Further, the guidance applies to the entire CWA, which will result in additional regulatory responsibilities for states…..
Farm Dust Regulations: EPA has been regulating farm dust for decades and may tighten the standards as part its review of the National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) for coarse particulate matter (PM10). Tightening the PM10 NAAQS would have widespread implications for rural America, as it could be below the amount of dust created during normal farming operations, and therefore be impossible to meet. If the standard is tightened, the only option for farmers to comply will be to curb every-day farm activities, which could mean cutting down on numbers of livestock or the tilling of fields, or they may have to shrink or even end their businesses altogether….
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/obamas_epa_plans_for_2013.html

They are also starting to ‘show an interest’ in home gardens. I just heard there is a newly past law in NC regulating home gardens but I have not been able to track it down yet.

Editor
December 24, 2012 5:50 am

If he kills me, I’ll have my estate make him listen to the Portsmouth Sinfonia’s rendering of the Nutcracker’s Dance of the Brandied Sugar Plum Fairy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asYwFnm6X7I . That’ll learn him.

beng
December 24, 2012 5:52 am

Austrian? Death sentences? Really?
The guy’s gone off the deep end….

John West
December 24, 2012 5:58 am

@ Gail Combs
My father had a phrase for this type of person. “He’s educated way beyond his intelligence.”

alan
December 24, 2012 6:00 am

“Systematic Musicology” Indeed! The “Post-Modern” Musicology of today is as rife with fraud, PC and trendy jargon as climate science itself. And, as in climate science, Marxism has invaded academic musicology (see T. Adorno). Their publications are also mired in peer-pal review.
I speak as a composer with 40 years experience in an American university school of music.

David Archibald
December 24, 2012 6:00 am

For pre-Christmas drinks, I just had a bottle of Veuve and a bottle of very nice shiraz. Now I come to the PC to find that someone wants to kill all the sceptic scientists. That is a bit extreme. How about just one of them. Let me explain. Years ago, a warmer took the trouble to rank the sceptic scientists on the planet. He ranked me as No 2. I won’t say who he ranked as No 1, but No 1 is something like 91 years old and smokes. He may have other vices also, yet he lives, seemingly immortal. This is so unfair! I can’t wait forever! Dear Professor Parncutt, your photo makes you look like an earnest brownshirt from the 1930s so I would work on that, but nevertheless, I think you know now what should be done.

alan
December 24, 2012 6:02 am

Where did my coment on Musicology go?

alan
December 24, 2012 6:02 am

Thank you!

Doug Huffman
December 24, 2012 6:04 am

Oh my gOodness, the fusion – conflation confusion – of AGW-ism with gun grabbing. Will nightmares ever cease?
Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and Guns and the Truth.

Colin Porter
December 24, 2012 6:07 am

Jo Nova’s blog and Anthony’s reproduction of it here may have been the reason for the heightened publicity of Parncutt’s ramblings, but we should not kid ourselves that the reason for the web pages disappearance has anything to do with the sensitivities of sceptics. Rather, it will be the reference to the fate of the Pope which has stirred Parncott’s superiors into action.
“Since these figures exceed the arbitrary limit of one million that I am proposing, it follows that the death penalty might be an appropriate punishment for influential GW deniers and possibly also the Pope.”

Gary
December 24, 2012 6:07 am

Future people? Millions of them?!
Oh, wait a minute. He’s using a model.
I think I know what might be wrong…

December 24, 2012 6:09 am

Thanks for posting this, Anthony. I thanked Jo Nova on her site, as follows:
I heard about this, and was linked to your site, from WUWT. I’d like to thank you for alerting us to this poor man’s madness. It may not be a very Christmasy subject, however the cure for darkness is to shine a light on it, and I suppose that is what Christmas is all about.
Apparently this man was educated by the Sceptical Science site. My own brother once asked me what I thought of that site, and when I honestly expressed my (low) opinion, explaining my various reasons, he exploded at me. He was of the opinion I had been brainwashed. I replied that no, he was the one who had been brainwashed. Our reasonable discussion swiftly disolved into a typical brother-to-brother name-calling binge.
This sort of mud-slinging is all well and good between brothers, who can make-up, and who are used to it. However I like to think such bad behavior doesn’t occur out in public, among reasonable scientists. Sadly, the Sceptical Science site seems to encourage such nonsense in public.
Brothers can yell at each other, and it only hurts egos. However a death threat promices a fate you can’t undo. Once a person is dead, you can’t kiss and make up.
I don’t blame anyone in Europe for being frustrated by the mess their idealism has gotten them into, and anger is merely the fume of a frustrated mind. However death threats deserve the strongest rebukes possible, to avoid mud-slinging turning into actual murders.
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December 24, 2012 6:11 am

Berényi Péter says: December 24, 2012 at 4:44 am
For raping human rights this way and putting due process into a mass grave along with the rest of constitutional principles, he expects the Pope to turn him into a saint by 2050.

Nope. You didn’t read the part in which he wants to execute the Pope and a few collaborators because the Catholic Church is against the use of condoms, hence is murdering lots of Africans.
(BTW, that viewpoint is no longer held since 2010, a part the good, well-read Professor missed:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8148944/The-Pope-drops-Catholic-ban-on-condoms-in-historic-shift.html)

arthur4563
December 24, 2012 6:13 am

Well, we can at least confidently assume that “systematic musicology” has nothing to do with either logic or science, or ethics or morality.

December 24, 2012 6:19 am

Tasteless outburst by this particular individual after the Tragic events at the Sandy Hook elementary High School .Has his university apologized
After the riots in England Last Year and with our forces serving in Afghanistan Had he said that on Twitter or Facebook in the UK he would be investigated by our police.

mpainter
December 24, 2012 6:21 am

The good professor points his finger at the World Future Council as the source of his genocide inspirations, and gives a link at the bottom of his website.
Following this link, we find that the chairman and founder of World Future Council is Jakob von Uexkull, a notable person of Baltic extraction who resides in the UK, according to his detailed Wikipedia entry. His organization has initiated a project called “Crimes Against Future Generations”. He lives in the UK and so does a John Sloboda, whom Parncutt names and thanks as a helpful advisor in his “death penalty for deniers” advocacy.
Someone needs to look into this Jakob von Uexkull and find out what he is all about. Parncutt is none too bright and he seems to be the sort of “useful fool” who might be used to advance a chilling prescription of genocide which the actual author would be loath to be associated with publicly.
Here, it seems, is a fruitful field of investigation for some sleuth who has the time and inclination. IMHO, this is the sort of affair that could get very big and be very embarrassing, as in Climategate, and perhaps even worse.

Editor
December 24, 2012 6:25 am

David Ross says:
December 24, 2012 at 2:20 am

Parncutt’s page has also been cached by Google in full
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-graz.at%2Frichard.parncutt%2Fclimatechange.html

Thanks. He proposes a million death threshold:

More generally, I propose that we limit the death penalty to people whose actions will with a high probability cause millions of future deaths

Therefore he’s also after the Pope and his closest advisors:

That raises the interesting question of whether and how the Pope and his closest advisers should be punished for their consistent stand against contraception in the form of condoms. It has been clear for decades that condoms are the best way to slow the spread of AIDS, which has so far claimed 30 million innocent lives. The number of people dying of AIDS would have been much smaller if the Catholic Church had changed its position on contraception in the 1980s, or any time since then. Because it did not, millions have died unnecessarily.

Surely the pope wins brownie points for helping bring more lives into the world than AIDS extinguishes!
Bush and Blair are safe though:

Since these figures exceed the arbitrary limit of one million that I am proposing, it follows that the death penalty might be an appropriate punishment for influential GW deniers and possibly also the Pope. It also follows for example that George W. Bush and Tony Blair should not face the death penalty for the Iraq war, since it “only” claimed about 100 000 lives since 2003

Then he says he’s just kidding

Please note that I am not directly suggesting that the threat of execution be carried out. I am simply presenting a logical argument. I am neither a politician nor a lawyer. I am just thinking aloud about an important problem.

Please cool it with the comedy – you’re killing me!
It looks like the most delusional statement is at the end:

Outlook
Right now, in the year 2012, these ideas will seem quite crazy to most people. People will be saying that Parncutt has finally lost it. But there is already enough evidence on the table to allow me to make the following prediction: If someone found this document in the year 2050 and published it, it would find general support and admiration. People would say I was courageous to write the truth, for a change. Who knows, perhaps the Pope would even turn me into a saint. Presumably there will still be a Pope, and maybe by then he will even have realised that condoms are not such a bad thing! And by the way 2050 is rather soon. Most people reading this text will still be alive then.
I don’t want to be a saint. I would just like my grandchildren and great grandchildren, and the human race in general, to enjoy the world that I have enjoyed, as much as I have enjoyed it. And to achieve that goal I think it is justified for a few heads to roll. Does that make me crazy? I don’t think so. I am certainly far less crazy than those people today who are in favor of the death penalty for everyday cases of murder, in my opinion. And like them I have freedom of speech, which is a very valuable thing.
This page is inspired by the project Establishing Crimes Against Future Generations by the World Future Council. Please support the work of the World Future Council!
The opinions expressed on this page are the personal opinions of the author. I thank John Sloboda for suggestions, and further suggestions are welcome.

My guess is that he won’t make sainthood…. Who is John Sloboda?

DirkH
December 24, 2012 6:26 am

Heh. Parncutt concludes with

“I don’t want to be a saint. I would just like my grandchildren and great grandchildren, and the human race in general, to enjoy the world that I have enjoyed, as much as I have enjoyed it. And to achieve that goal I think it is justified for a few heads to roll. Does that make me crazy? I don’t think so. I am certainly far less crazy than those people today who are in favor of the death penalty for everyday cases of murder, in my opinion. And like them I have freedom of speech, which is a very valuable thing.”

Contorts himself into a contradiction in five sentences. Logic, not his strong suite. But then again, I wouldn’t expect any person capable of logical thinking on the side of the warmists today, except for the crooks at the top who run the scam to siphon off hundreds of billions.
What a poor crazy tool for a movement he doesn’t understand at all.

Chuck Nolan
December 24, 2012 6:27 am

Now this is where gun control comes in to play.
Let’s be sure this idiot, Richard Parncutt, Professor of Systematic Musicology, University of Graz, Austria doesn’t own any.
You never know about some people, they could go postal.
cn

December 24, 2012 6:31 am

personally I also use desmogblog, scepticalscience, thinkprogress and even realclimate as (respected) references;
next to that I read whattsupwiththat, bishophill, notricszone to know what is living in the counter(under)world of climatesceptisism;
I don’s see what’s wrong whith that;

PaulH
December 24, 2012 6:32 am

I wouldn’t shut down Prof. Parncutt. The man is obviously educated beyond his capacity to think. It’s best to keep these people in the daylight than to force them into hiding in the shadows.

Chuck Nolan
December 24, 2012 6:36 am

ggm says:
December 23, 2012 at 11:06 pm
AGW fraudsters like Parncutt, HAVE TO resort to threats of violence. Otherwise evenually the public will catch on, and realise that these people are pedling a deliberate and planned fraud…….
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The bad news is this guy is no scientist trying to protect his grants and his domain.
He’s not with IPCC or EPA or NASA or any government/scientific organization.
He’s not even an outspoken NGO member (although he may be a member of GP, WWF, or ELF)
He’s a real believer and it’s possible he’s a nut looking to jump in and help save the world.
cn

S. Meyer
December 24, 2012 6:37 am

I bet that page was pulled because of his death threat against the pope….

DirkH
December 24, 2012 6:38 am

Charles.U.Farley says:
December 24, 2012 at 5:12 am
“Poor Dick.
One minute he’s happily doing whatever a musicologist does and in the next uncle adolfs inherited dormant braincell is stuttering into life and shouting about Ubermensch, final solutions, Tod Klimawandel-Leugner!!! ”
Slow down, the guy’s Australian.
His own words in an essay about a flat tax system:
“When I first dreamed of UBI-FIT , I was on unemployment benefit in Australia in the mid 1980s. Luckily, that only lasted a few months, during which I managed to convert my PhD thesis into a book manuscript. If the unemployment office had known that, they would presumably have cut the benefit! After all, I was supposed to be doing nothing and feeling depressed.”
http://www.uni-graz.at/~parncutt/BIFT2.html

Kev-in-Uk
December 24, 2012 6:39 am

The crazy thing is – that if the guy thinks the death penalty is ok for skeptics for potential ‘future deaths’ – does he feel the warmista should be tried for the CURRENT deaths as a result of fuel poverty? and the wasting of funding on AGW, which could have saved millions of starving folk, etc, etc?
Hmm, methinks, he needs to consider his own position – will be watching for news of his self inflicted demise as he realises that he cannot live with his own murderous activities and conscience?

Editor
December 24, 2012 6:44 am

Alexander Feht says:
December 24, 2012 at 12:07 am

I am a music composer. Therefore, I am as much entitled to my opinion on climate matters as a mentally disturbed musicologist from the parasite-infested Museum of the Past Glory, which is Europe.

I’m listening to your Violin Sonatas at http://www.feht.com/ where you note

The astute observer of contemporary classical music cannot help but note that, the more modern composers give their all to “atonal” or “experimental” schools of composition, the more listeners are driven to archival recordings of great works.

My take on atonal music is the composers didn’t have the skills to expand on the great works, and went off in a direction that doesn’t “resonate” with me. It’s nice to add you to my list of modern composers worth listen to. You and John Rutter.
Thanks!

December 24, 2012 6:45 am

We should demand that this guy be fired for making death threats. The university should fire this guy. Such behavior should be unacceptable within a learning institution.

Bill
December 24, 2012 6:47 am

Toward the bottom, he has his 3 rules. He wants to prosecute people on the basis of future effects. Hmmmm, all you need is to be able to predict the future for this to work. That’s what we have climate models for I guess.

james griffin
December 24, 2012 6:52 am

Personally I am not too upset as what goes around comes around. When CAGW is finally rumbled I will ask the Professor to meet me in Switzerland where assisted suicide is legal. All he has to do is turn up. Prior to administering a full bottle of asprin which I will expect him to swallow in one go…. I will advise the following.
He will be made fully aware of the people who have died due to fuel poverty, starvation due to biofuels causing a 6% reduction in food production and of course the many millions who have died in the Third World denied the basics of Western life…..clean fresh drinking water, sanitation and access to affordable power.

Patrick.
December 24, 2012 6:53 am

Alarmists, not posting in this thread? Am I seeing this right?

tolo4zero
December 24, 2012 6:54 am

For the record:
I think Al Gore “is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

December 24, 2012 6:59 am

The man is a complete left-wing nutjob.
Suppose that you redo his argument and point out that economic suicide will starve millions of people, then would he conclude that all of these advocate warmists like himself should be terminated?
He’s my new genius hero.

December 24, 2012 7:01 am

Does anyone know if Skeptical Science has disavowed this guy?

S. Meyer
December 24, 2012 7:08 am

Quote: “Consider this: If ten million people are going to die with a probability of 10%, that is like one million people dying with a probability of 100%.”
I guess musicologists don’t learn statistics, logic, or even common sense..  According to this logic:
When I drive to work today, there is a small chance I could cause an accident. That accident could cause a truck to flip over and spill something flammable. In the ensuing mass accident, an FBI agent is killed. That agent was the only one with knowledge about some terrorist trying to poison the city’s drinking water. The terrorist gets to do his thing and millions of people die. All my fault with a likelihood of say 1:1000000.  So I have a 1 in 1000000 chance to kill 1000000 people today, or a 100 % chance to kill one… I think I am going to call in sick today.

AllanM
December 24, 2012 7:08 am

arthur4563 says:
December 24, 2012 at 6:13 am
Well, we can at least confidently assume that “systematic musicology” has nothing to do with either logic or science, or ethics or morality.
Or making music!

phlogiston
December 24, 2012 7:12 am

Parncnutt is an anagram of
PRAT ‘n C**T

Gene Selkov
December 24, 2012 7:13 am

I don’t have rational thoughts about it that wouldn’t be trite, but at the instinct level, manifestations like this are deeply enjoyable. There is nothing more flattering to a man (I mean the wild-type man we have evolved to be) than knowing there are losers out there wishing he was dead. I like getting death threats. Praise can be fake. But when somebody wishes you dead, it must mean you’re doing something right.

Ed Zuiderwijk
December 24, 2012 7:14 am

The Prof’s logic is defect.
If he clearly thinks that we are hell bent on proactively murdering future generations, why is he so sure that we would no come for him now?

Jimbo
December 24, 2012 7:16 am

He goes on to say:

Of course it is possible that scientists are just making it up for their own benefit. The trouble with that argument is that scientists who publish fake data or deliberately set out to mislead people about GW have a lot to lose and nothing to win. When scientists fake data and are caught, that usually means the end of their career. It’s not the kind of risk that a scientist would like to take. It is possible someone is paying the scientists behind the scences to publish environmental doomsday stories, but again the argument is problematic: there is simply no money in environmental doomsday stories (just like there is no money in writing internet pages like this one).

Oh really! Firstly, let me deal with scientist not wanting to take risks with their careers by publishing fake data and misleading.

10 Scientific Frauds that Rocked the World
False positives: fraud and misconduct are threatening scientific research
——
http://www.science-fraud.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_misconduct#Individual_cases

How about “there is simply no money in environmental doomsday stories”
Now let’s see.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/science/earth/after-disclosure-of-sierra-clubs-gifts-from-gas-driller-a-roiling-debate.html
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/01/follow-the-money-why-heartland-is-a-big-threat/
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/02/17/big-oil-money-for-me-but-not-for-thee/
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/about/history/
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/21/us/exxon-led-group-is-giving-a-climate-grant-to-stanford.html

Alan Watt, CD (Certified Denialist), Level 7
December 24, 2012 7:18 am

Wow. Just wow. Like Minority Report but projecting crimes farther into the future with less certainty. And I though Scientologists were wacky.
I am at a loss to even know where to begin with such dreck. At the very least I think Parncutt should be removed from any position where he could interact with and influence people under the age of 25 or so.
How about posting the original page under Parncutt’s name and the directors of the World Future Council as a White House petition and see if it gets 25,000 signatures?
Although it would not surprise me to find there is already a UN working group trying to enact a new tribunal for “Crimes Against Future Humanity”.

TonyG
December 24, 2012 7:19 am

Gail Combs says:
I am not at all surprised.
It was only a matter of time before we saw this type of insanity raise its head. Lewandowsky set the stage, Robyn Williams of the ABC took it a step further and now Parncutt is sending up the next trial balloon. Each time another line will be crossed until we are afraid to mention our disbelief in CAGW for fear of physical retaliation.

I fear that someone may actually take it upon themselves to act on these “ideas” at some point. What happens then?
I agree – Anthony, Steve, Willis, etc – be careful.

Jimbo
December 24, 2012 7:19 am

Need I remind people of this essay? The green professor should realise where he is heading.

Fascist Ecology:
The “Green Wing” of the Nazi Party and its Historical Antecedents
Peter Staudenmaier
http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/germany/sp001630/peter.html

Martin McPhillips
December 24, 2012 7:32 am

Don’t be naive about sentiments such as this. The use of the term “denier” is a political statement, not a scientific one. Calling for the death penalty for “deniers” is just the next stage. Because, you see, global warming is a threat to the whole world, etc. “Global Warming” is a front in the global revolution and resisting it marks you as an enemy. This music professor is just saying what is on the minds of many elites who understand what a weapon “Warming” is. Take it very seriously.

phlogiston
December 24, 2012 7:32 am

OK so one “n” too many, so its just
C**T PRAT
(anagram of Parncutt)

December 24, 2012 7:35 am

Assault – verb ~ Defined (U.S.)
In criminal and tort law, an act, usually consisting of a threat or attempt to inflict bodily injury upon another person, coupled with the apparent present ability to succeed in carrying out the threat or the attempt if not prevented, that causes the person to have a reasonable fear or apprehension of immediate harmful or offensive contact. No intent to cause battery or the fear or apprehension is required so long as the victim is placed in reasonable apprehension or fear. No actual physical injury is needed to establish an assault, but if there is any physical contact, the act constitutes both an assault and a battery.
Perhaps Richard can share a jail cell with a 300 lb music hater!

theduke
December 24, 2012 7:36 am

This is the kind of person the Nazis selected and trained to herd victims into the gas chambers.

kim rasmussen in helvetia
December 24, 2012 7:37 am

clearly,the good herr professor parncutt must be first runner-up to the title of:
“southern end of a northbound horse”-of the year….!

December 24, 2012 7:39 am

I guess the next step for the warmistas is to get very snappy uniforms, with jackboots too.
Also some rousing speeches and some cattle cars.

December 24, 2012 7:39 am

redc says:
December 24, 2012 at 5:00 am
Is it worth making a list of these extreme statements? There are a bunch of them now and I’m not sure anyone has collected them all onto one page.

A WUWT “category” should be added.

Gary Pearse
December 24, 2012 7:41 am

Anthony, can someone monitor the main AGW blogs, tweets, etc. to see if there is anyone out there who is shocked by this craziness? I thought a few years ago that the world was evolving toward more freedom of speech, ideas, pursuits….a new and more inclusive renaissance. It’s depressing to think that, perhaps forever, we have to maintain a vigilance. Fortunately, the internet is a powerful tool that allows us to “speak up” and the effectiveness of a few sceptics against a worldwide pied piper movement that wants to monitor our every breath has been truly inspiring. Clearly, keeping the internet free is going to be our next big challenge. Death threats really are the end of the line for this bunch.

TonyG
Reply to  Gary Pearse
December 24, 2012 8:24 am

Gary Pearse says:
It’s depressing to think that, perhaps forever, we have to maintain a vigilance.
No perhaps. Remember the quote “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”

Jimbo
December 24, 2012 7:43 am

Now you see why some of us don’t use our real names. It only takes language like this to trigger the mind of ONE nut to massacre people.
The anger that is being meted out by Warmists is due to THEIR failures despite unprecedented funding, government and media backing. Yet it’s all slipping away. Now they want to blame sceptics for THEIR failures. Maybe they should look to disaster fatigue, the changing climate 😉 and people genuinely wanting to know more about AGW and find it wanting.
16 years of no global warming compared with the IPCC upward projections is the elephant in the room. Yet they deny avert their eyes and call us nasty names.

December 24, 2012 7:46 am

“ter·ror·ism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]
noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. ”
I think terrorists should be seen for what they are.

Steve Atherton
December 24, 2012 7:46 am

Hi Anthony et al – Have a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year. All the best.

Steve C
December 24, 2012 7:50 am

@thorsten – and Gail Combs (5:07 am), AllanM (4:01 am), Alexander Feht (12:07 am) and anyone else who somehow doesn’t “appreciate” modern arts – an excellent read:
The Tyranny of Artistic Modernism

Who is Richard Windsor?
December 24, 2012 7:52 am

Beware the Austrian ‘artist’ who talks of killing groups of people.
I think that’s just barely outside of violating Godwin’s law.

December 24, 2012 7:54 am

I remember Robert Kennedy Jr said we should have trials for deniers akin to the Nuremberg Trials. There were plenty of death sentences meted out there. There are dangerous radicals everywhere.

DirkH
December 24, 2012 7:55 am

Looking into my copy of the works of Parncutt, I find

“We are talking about millions of deaths, so according to the principle I have proposed, the Pope and perhaps some of his closest advisers should be sentenced to death. “

That gives me relief because it means that Parncutt is a renegade, not a warmist commando. The vatican is as we know the biggest landowner on the planet and therefore profits mightily from Kyoto credits and wind turbine subsidies and is and has been ultra-warmist for this reason.
This just seems to be the case of a guy who has snapped. Not a professional ethicist even though he sounds like one.

theduke
December 24, 2012 7:58 am

Parncutt looks and thinks a lot like this guy:
http://www.diasdehistoria.com.ar/userfiles/image/Himmler-vivo.jpg

December 24, 2012 8:01 am

I sent him an email:
Dear Mr Would Be Mass Murderer,
You said: “People will be saying that Parncutt has finally lost it.” Yes you have.
You also said:” People would say I was courageous to write the truth, for a change” For a change? Does that mean you do NOT more than often?
I am an Australian, I take it as you were born in Australia and that you are still an Australian?. If so, renounce your nationality as you are not a fit and proper person to be Australian.
People like you are sick. You need help fast. Kari Norgaard can help you find treatment as she like you is an expert.
J Frodsham

Downdraft
December 24, 2012 8:10 am

Lock him up. The sooner the better. No trial necessary for the insane, just commitment papers and an order from a judge.

Keitho
Editor
December 24, 2012 8:13 am

I would suggest that this chap has had a nervous breakdown.
That said allowing him to keep this post up on his university blog site is criminal. The university must surely be held accountable.

William
December 24, 2012 8:20 am

I am curious how the extreme AGW paradigm pushers and the media would response to a significant drop in planetary temperature. Solar cycle 24 appears to be heading towards a Maunder minimum.
http://www.solen.info/solar/
http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison_recent_cycles.png
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20835062
23 December 2012 Last updated at 20:20 ET Help
Cold weather is continuing to take its toll in Ukraine, where authorities say dozens of people have died in a month of freezing temperatures. There has been record snowfall in some parts of the country, and there are warnings that temperatures could drop even further.
William:
“Volcanic eruptions and solar activity” by Richard Stothers
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1989JGR….9417371S
The historical record of large volcanic eruptions from 1500 to 1980 is subjected to detailed time series analysis. In two weak but probably statistically significant periodicities of about 11 and 80 yr, the frequency of volcanic eruptions increases (decreases) slightly around the times of solar minimum (maximum). Time series analysis of the volcanogenic acidities in a deep ice core from Greenland reveals several very long periods ranging from about 80 to about 350 yr which are similar to the very slow solar cycles previously detected in auroral and C-14 records. Solar flares may cause changes in atmospheric circulation patterns that abruptly alter the earth’s spin. The resulting jolt probably triggers small earthquakes which affect volcanism. (My comment. This mechanism guess is not correct.)
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002AGUFMPP61A0298A
The Role of Explosive Volcanism During the Cool Maunder Minimum
The Dalton Minimum was a period of low solar activity, named for the English meteorologist John Dalton, lasting from about 1790 to 1830.[1] Like the Maunder Minimum and Spörer Minimum, the Dalton Minimum coincided with a period of lower-than-average global temperatures. The Oberlach Station in Germany, for example, experienced a 2.0° C decline over 20 years.[2] The Year Without a Summer, in 1816, also occurred during the Dalton Minimum. The precise cause of the lower-than-average temperatures during this period is not well understood. Recent papers have suggested that a rise in volcanism was largely responsible for the cooling trend.[3]
http://www.pnas.org/content/101/17/6341.full#otherarticles
Chile Volcano erupts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20835029
Ecuador Volcano erupts
http://news.yahoo.com/ecuador-volcano-blasts-more-hot-rock-crater-174613809.html

December 24, 2012 8:20 am

Good grief. As the late Jerry Williams (the self-proclaimed Dean of Talk Radio) used to say, “They’re out there!”
And they are. Now the the re-election of George Soros’s Puppet President, the fertilizing dollars from the US Treasury will encourage stimulate the emergence of True Believers in socialist Global Governance all over the world. True Believers (viz. Eric Hoffer) love ‘final solutions’ for their enemies.
In a sane world, this Parncutt would be an anomaly. But it’s not a sane world.
“Merry Christmas. We must be having one.” —Tammy Wynette
/Mr Lynn

mpaul
December 24, 2012 8:26 am

Totalitarianism sneaks up on societies. If you talk to people who were in a country that was overtaken by totalitarianism, they will all tell you the same thing: no one knew what was really happening until it was too late. The totalitarians rarely declare their intentions. Rather they find a noble cause and exploit it. In Germany in the 30s the noble cause was genetic purity. Today, its Global Warming. The noble cause becomes the vehicle to achieve political power. And convenient idiots like Parncutt become the storm troopers — convinced that they are on the side of good while they march people off to the gas chambers.
The only way to fight against this is to expose it for what it is.

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 8:28 am

Ric Werme says:
December 24, 2012 at 5:50 am
If he kills me, I’ll have my estate make him listen to the Portsmouth Sinfonia’s rendering of the Nutcracker’s Dance of the Brandied Sugar Plum Fairy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nah, Sentence him to listening to the complete works of Florence Foster Jenkins at 80 dba over and over and over…

mpainter
December 24, 2012 8:39 am

Quoth Richard Parncutt at his website (now disappeared)
“the Pope and perhaps some of his closest advisers should be sentenced to death”
The Pope is only individual that he names specifically as deserving of the death penalty. He cites “deniers” as deserving of that, but gives no specific names from this group. Austria is almost 100% Catholic, so perhaps someone should report this to the Austrian media. Make sure that they understand that the original website is preserved here at WUWT. Also Italy, South Germany, Spain, etc. and let’s not forget the source of his inspiration : the World Future Council. A big opportunity beckoning here.

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 8:42 am

Chuck Nolan says:
December 24, 2012 at 6:27 am
Now this is where gun control comes in to play….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes knowing you may be facing a gun if you go after someone has a chilling effect on such hotheads as Australia is finding out the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
SInce the gun ban in Australia state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%…….
The same sort of statistics are seen in Switzerland.

December 24, 2012 8:46 am

Move over Austrian painters…I’ve often said you can take any group of 10,000 people or more around the world, and, given the right circumstances, fascism will rise. When I look around my own community and try and figure out who the fascists would be in such a scenario, I invariably land on a small group of extreme environmentalists.
They alone are the ones who appear to be ready to do anything to support their cause – lie, cheat, defame, damage, ostracize, bully, threaten, brainwash children and obfuscate the truth – nothing is below achieving their goals. They aren’t known for enjoying comedy. They are primarily dour, doubting and “cup half empty” people. And, they are the greatest hypocrites on the planet. I have never once heard an apology from any of them for their mistakes, for, they are entirely unapologetic.
David Suzuki, who called for the imprisonment of climate change deniers a few years ago, is their patron saint.
If you haven’t already, check out Ms. Elizabeth Nickson’s brilliant exposure of Eco-Fascists http://elizabethnickson.com/
One can only look forward to a brighter future as such cold ignorance is melted away in the light of knowledge and understanding.
Wishing everyone a brighter New Year!

Mike Spilligan
December 24, 2012 8:50 am

I think I have the basis for a new research project – subject to the necessary grants, naturally. There seem to be increasing numbers of incidents of threats of violence, and at increasing levels of severity, these exponentially proportional to the number of years without significant global warming. I’m not a PhD, but I’m certain to be able to cook something up which will convince any body with as much combined intelligence as the IPCC.

December 24, 2012 8:53 am

It is not the professor so much as the pseudo or cult religious group he is apparently associated with. I guess us climate atheists need to run and hide or risk being shot by a stray C sharp! More PR grabbing nonsense and look at how much they are getting. Ignore the lot. Question, is this any difference then some religious fanatic issuing any kind of fanatical anything?

David L
December 24, 2012 9:07 am

So a music prof is expert in climate science now?

Louis
December 24, 2012 9:16 am

“It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.”
— C.S. Lewis

December 24, 2012 9:20 am

arthur4563 says: December 24, 2012 at 6:13 am
Well, we can at least confidently assume that “systematic musicology” has nothing to do with either logic or science, or ethics or morality.

Precisely. It seems to be post-mortem. Oops, post-modern.

December 24, 2012 9:24 am

Trying not to hog the comments section.
If a person publicly advocates violence against an individual or a group that is a HATE CRIME.
This matter been reported.
No difference between Politically ,Religious ,Racially or Homophobic Motivated .

December 24, 2012 9:28 am

Bill says: December 24, 2012 at 6:47 am Toward the bottom, he has his 3 rules. He wants to prosecute people on the basis of future effects. Hmmmm, all you need is to be able to predict the future for this to work. That’s what we have climate models for I guess.
Precogs also work (most of the time?). Ref.: Minority Report.

Alan Watt, CD (Certified Denialist), Level 7
December 24, 2012 9:34 am

Gail Combs says:
December 24, 2012 at 8:28 am
Ric Werme says:
December 24, 2012 at 5:50 am
If he kills me, I’ll have my estate make him listen to the Portsmouth Sinfonia’s rendering of the Nutcracker’s Dance of the Brandied Sugar Plum Fairy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nah, Sentence him to listening to the complete works of Florence Foster Jenkins at 80 dba over and over and over…
I’ll see your Florence Foster Jenkins and raise you one William McGonagall, the worst poet in the history of the English language. See here and here . For a sample:

Beautiful railway bridge of the silv’ry Tay
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last sabbath day of 1879
Which shall be remembered for a very long time.”

Readings of McGonagall poems have become a staple of our Burn’s Night gatherings.

December 24, 2012 9:38 am

phlogiston says: December 24, 2012 at 7:12 am Parncnutt is an anagram of
PRAT ‘n C**T

There’s no need for extra letters. Part C***, Parc N*tt.

Jimbo
December 24, 2012 9:38 am

Geoff Sherrington says:
December 24, 2012 at 12:46 am
Please don’t rush to judgement. You might be discussing a delightful person, a cultured and considerate person….

There was once a chap with a short mustache who tried his hand at painting, was an animal lover, a proponent for the environment and was also a vegetarian.

“The German countryside must be preserved under all circumstances, for it is and has forever been the source of strength and greatness of our people.”
http://tinyurl.com/d2uaujr

I’ll let your guys and gals figure out this ‘delightful’ personality from the past. :>(

john robertson
December 24, 2012 9:45 am

This is just the beginning, as the faith falls,
first the zealots strike out against the messengers,
second they strike in against their (now)fallen high priests,
third they self destruct in messy ways.
Same old movie, different song. Keep your firing lines open and ammo dry, this storm will also pass.
There will be some danger for the easily targeted sceptic, but it should be brief, as stage 2 sets in quickly.
Achmed the dead terrorist for sure.
Collapse of this scam is accelerating, I love it.
Merry Christmas to all, especially the humourless and paranoid experts.
Remedy for this madness? Compulsory watching ‘The Ice Caps Are Melting” for hours?
With date of production constantly flashing across screen.
These phycologists will be suing Tiny Tim’s estate for permanently damaging their childhood mind, poisoning their mindset and causing their obsession with the ice caps.
The’ Look what you made me do” defence?

davidmhoffer
December 24, 2012 9:46 am

Anthony;
Have you considered sending him a calendar?

Mark Bofill
December 24, 2012 9:46 am

It irritates me when people call for my death because of my beliefs.
I don’t know if it’s just arrogant stupidity that people do this, or
if it’s that they think to frighten me. Maybe it should frighten me.
Fool that I am, it just pisses me off. Maybe that’s the real goal.
I shouldn’t be astonished anymore that such ‘enlightened’ men put forward
such vicious crap, although I admit I still am. I’ve no clue what Professors
of Systematic Musicology study, but it sounds like it should involve more
literature and philosophy than my technical field. So why does it fall to
a software guy from Alabama to point out the obvious?
Professor Parncutt, let’s say you are absolutely correct for the sake of argument.
Let’s suppose that forward thinking people agree with you and threaten these
‘GW deniers’ and successfully get the majority of them to recant their heresy.
What happens next time there is a complicated scientific disagreement? I’m
a simple guy, so pardon me for harping on the obvious, but in taking this single
expedient step to solve a single problem quickly and easily, haven’t you completely
destroyed the civilized protections that facilitate creative thinking and
scientific, civil, and artistic progress? Worse, haven’t you darkened the world
and the lives of all in it by giving rise to a reign of terror, where all people
must henceforth live in fear of expressing ideas which, in your enlightened opinion,
are incorrect and should never be expressed under pain of death? Even if we give
you that your intellect far surpasses all others and you are always right, isn’t
it evident that you’re advocating a totalitarian and hellish world?
So, if we suppose your original premise is valid and that bloggers should
be held accountable for the actions of those who read their blogs, don’t
you think it behooves you to consider the consequences a little more
thoroughly before you blithely call for the arbitrary death or imprisonment
of anyone who disagrees with you? What penalties do you propose for yourself
in this matter?
~shrug~
Merry Christmas Eve.

davidmhoffer
December 24, 2012 9:47 am

Anthony;
Have you considered sending him a calendar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On second thought, maybe not. This lunatic is even closer to the edge than Mann.

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 9:49 am

Alan Watt, CD (Certified Denialist), Level 7 says:
December 24, 2012 at 9:34 am
….I’ll see your Florence Foster Jenkins and raise you one William McGonagall, the worst poet in the history of the English language…..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Careful now my husband is a poet. Luckily he is much better than McGonagall just ask him.

Marco
December 24, 2012 9:49 am

It’s funny that he mentions Breivik, because in many ways he IS Breivik. Open-minded people that they imagine are a danger to their ideal society must die. Fortunately the Professor has not picked up a machine gun to carry out the sentence.

Lars P.
December 24, 2012 9:50 am

Gail Combs says:
December 24, 2012 at 4:57 am
J Cooper says:
December 24, 2012 at 3:11 am
Geoff Sherrington
I agree this person should be ignored and hopefully he will go away….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If he was isolated madman chance met like a similar guy I ran across in Cambridge MA. then I would agree with you but he is not. He is a Professor and a well known one in his field. This type of mania HAS TO BE CALLED OUT NOW.
Vid

How very right Gail – my underlying above. This is not to be ignored, “hopefully he will go away”. Utter nonsense. Such behaviour should be sharply condemned. It is death threats, the same as in the 10:10 video but now it shows it was not “just fun”, but seriously meant death threats.
As Code Tech said above:
CodeTech says:
December 23, 2012 at 11:23 pm
I would say it was unbelievable, but it’s completely par. Those who don’t SAY this are actually thinking it. The thought, the very idea, that they might be wrong, or their assessment could be in error, never even seriously enters their heads. It jars them that others find their conclusions to be wrong. I’m certain that AGW believers are as convinced of their rightness as ANY religious fanatic.
…………………………….
(For anyone keeping track, YES I’ve referenced both religion and Nazism in the same post, and YES I believe AGW believers and crusaders are completely identical in mindset, and will have equally or greater destructive results to civilization)

yes, I have the feeling that this is the mind set of several warmista, and yes, I have the feeling we are facing the birth of a new religion.
For times it was difficult for me to understand the times of Hypatia and how could people behave like they did at the time. Only now watching the Global Warming Alarmists at work I started to understand.

Editor
December 24, 2012 9:57 am

Gail Combs says:
December 24, 2012 at 8:28 am

Nah, Sentence him to listening to the complete works of Florence Foster Jenkins [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtf2Q4yyuJ0 ] at 80 dba over and over and over…

Oh dear. I might have heard her before, but repressed the memory. The cat images and comments were well choosen. 🙂
Alexander Feht – here’s one you may “enjoy” – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoGElIOB9tc – Direct transfer from original Melotone recording studio “Your Portrailt in Sound” on 78 rpm shellac. The hand typed record label says

" Biassy "   Words   by   Pushkin
   Melodie-Song:Count A. Pavlovich
    Based on Bach-Prelude XVI
              sung by
       FLORENCE FOSTEER JENKINS
         Cosme McMoon,Piano.
I dare say Pushkin never sounded like that before.  :-)  One of the commenters said "I just gnawed my own ears off."
December 24, 2012 10:00 am

Gail Combs says:
December 24, 2012 at 8:28 am
Nah, Sentence him to listening to the complete works of Florence Foster Jenkins at 80 dba over and over and over…

Good heavens, this is WMD grade!
[Weapons of Music Destruction? Mod]

December 24, 2012 10:06 am

This type of rationale (and being called a denier) always make me think of the last time a major scientific theory gained world-wide political acclaim – Eugenics.
And coincidentally, that was also taken up by a little Austrian man – called Hitler
Eugenics was not restricted to Nazi Germany, and indeed was practiced in most Countries of the world to some degree or other. But it is was swiss advocate Ernst Rüdin who wrote the official commentary for the racial policy of Nazi Germany: “Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring”; and was awarded medals from the Nazis and Adolf Hitler personally
Quotes:

“The significance of Rassenhygiene [racial hygiene] did not become evident to all aware Germans until the political activity of Adolf Hitler and only through his work has our 30-year long dream of translating Rassenhygiene into action finally become a reality.”
“Whoever is not physically or mentally fit must not pass on his defects to his children. The state must take care that only the fit produce children. Conversely, it must be regarded as reprehensible to withhold healthy children from the state.”–at a speech to the German Society for Rassenhygiene, quoting Hitler.

Refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%BCdin
Andi
PS – It’s Christmas Day here in NZ – Season’s Greetings to one and all – Warmist and Skeptic alike

markx
December 24, 2012 10:17 am

Posted in tips and notes, but, better here:
More on Parncutt – http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/
The guy could be said to be certifiably insane …he is proposing a death penalty on something which has a probability of happening, to be applied to people who have a probability of causing deaths….. !!!!
If there is any probability of global cooling, or of no global warming occurring, or of humans turning out to be a minor contributor to said global warming, do we at least have the right to sentence Parncutt to a precautionary whipping? If so, lets check the statistics and carry it out as soon as possible!
Parncutt: “…GW is different. With high probability it will cause hundreds of millions of deaths. For this reason I propose that the death penalty is appropriate for influential GW deniers. More generally, I propose that we limit the death penalty to people whose actions will with a high probability cause millions of future deaths..”

Bruce Cobb
December 24, 2012 10:19 am

Horrifying is the only description I can come up with. Saved the page, as a reminder of the extent of the sheer viciousness and hatred existing in the Warmist cult. I do not see this merely as the sickness of one individual, just one extreme example of the way they “think”.
One chilling sentence (among many) is: “I wish to claim that it is generally ok to kill someone in order to save one million people”. That could be seen as a call for anyone willing to do so to assassinate anyone on “the list”.
Then there is this: if a jury of suitably qualified scientists estimated that a given GW denier had already, with high probability (say 95%), caused the deaths of over one million future people, then s/he would be sentenced to death. The sentence would then be commuted to life imprisonment if the accused admitted their mistake, demonstrated genuine regret, AND participated significantly and positively over a long period in programs to reduce the effects of GW (from jail) – using much the same means that were previously used to spread the message of denial. At the end of that process, some GW deniers would never admit their mistake and as a result they would be executed. Perhaps that would be the only way to stop the rest of them. The death penalty would have been justified in terms of the enormous numbers of saved future lives.
So, only if you don’t repent your “climate sins” and participate in CAGW-approved “programs” will you be executed. If you do, then you will be allowed to spend the rest of your life in jail. What a relief. Whew! We can all rest easy now.

AllanM
December 24, 2012 10:34 am

Gail Combs says:
December 24, 2012 at 8:28 am
Ric Werme says:
December 24, 2012 at 5:50 am
If he kills me, I’ll have my estate make him listen to the Portsmouth Sinfonia’s rendering of the Nutcracker’s Dance of the Brandied Sugar Plum Fairy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nah, Sentence him to listening to the complete works of Florence Foster Jenkins at 80 dba over and over and over…

Neither would have any effect. Remember he’s a musicologist.

Code Monkey Wrench
December 24, 2012 10:34 am

“Alan Watt, CD (Certified Denialist), Level 7 says:
December 24, 2012 at 9:34 am
…I’ll see your Florence Foster Jenkins and raise you one William McGonagall, the worst poet in the history of the English language. ”
pffft..

December 24, 2012 10:34 am

According to the latest comment at JoNova, the good Professor was lining himself up for two years time:

§ 283 (1) Whoever publicly in a manner that is likely to endanger the public order, or who is responsible for the general public perceived violence against a church or religious society, or other according to race, color, language, religion or belief, nationality, descent or national or ethnic origin, sex, disability, age or sexual orientation as defined group of persons or a member of such a group specifically because of his membership in that group is asking or incites, with imprisonment up to two years to punish.(Google Translation)

http://www.ris.bka.gv.at/GeltendeFassung.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Gesetzesnummer=10002296
http://legislationline.org/documents/action/popup/id/15709

December 24, 2012 10:46 am

Mark Bofill says: December 24, 2012 at 9:46 am
[…]
Let’s suppose that forward thinking people agree with you and threaten these
‘GW deniers’ and successfully get the majority of them to recant their heresy.
What happens next time there is a complicated scientific disagreement? I’m
a simple guy, so pardon me for harping on the obvious, but in taking this single
expedient step to solve a single problem quickly and easily, haven’t you completely
destroyed the civilized protections that facilitate creative thinking and
scientific, civil, and artistic progress? Worse, haven’t you darkened the world
and the lives of all in it by giving rise to a reign of terror, where all people
must henceforth live in fear of expressing ideas which, in your enlightened opinion,
are incorrect and should never be expressed under pain of death? Even if we give
you that your intellect far surpasses all others and you are always right, isn’t
it evident that you’re advocating a totalitarian and hellish world?

Yes, but… wouldn’t it all become so much simpler, argument-wise? Hm 8-?
Anyway,

Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. (Fred The Great)

Code Monkey Wrench
December 24, 2012 10:48 am

“Jason says:
December 24, 2012 at 3:11 am
I am nearing the point of losing all faith in academia.”
Disheartening, isn’t it? These are the people we turn young minds over to for instruction. We’re pretty much hosed.

December 24, 2012 10:58 am

Oh, just one more:

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. — Marcus Aurelius

And now, have a nice Christmas, everyboby.

TRM
December 24, 2012 11:03 am

” henrythethird says: December 24, 2012 at 12:03 am
Just think how many millions of “future people” we’d have now if there hadn’t been a forced removal of 5 – 6 million European Jews in 1945. ”
It was actually 11 million non-combatant civilians murdered by the Nazis and 10% were babies and small children. That is a quote from Simon Wiesenthal. He was adamant on that point the the numbers be stated fully and not just isolated to one group. The Jews did not make up half the population but the did make up half the dead so they were singled out. When you realize the plan was simply to kill everyone who disagreed, including their own citizens, it gets very scary for those on all sides.
Check out “General Plan East” sometime for a scary read. Eliminate 90% of all the Poles & Slavs keeping only 10% illiterate peasants to produce food for the fatherland.
If you want to see how normal and educated people can fall for this genocidal nonsense give Albert Speer’s book “Inside the Third Reich” a read.
To the prof I can only say your turn will come and it will come from those you have backed and supported. Just look at what they did to the soldiers doing the killings when an area was declared “jew free”. Sent to die on the Yugoslav and Russian fronts.

TRM
December 24, 2012 11:11 am

Too funny! I was going to the university’s web page to demand a certain prof be fired for his genocidal comments and this popped up from my company’s filter:
URL: GET http://www.uni-graz.at/
Category: Education
Reason: BLOCK-MALWARE
Threat Type: othermalware
Threat Reason: Domain reported and verified as serving malware.
Well I guess any place that would hire the insane prof could be a source of more than just hate filled rantings.

December 24, 2012 11:15 am

John says on December 23, 2012 at 11:04 pm:
“If Herr Parncutt is serious, it helps explain how otherwise intelligent people embraced mass murdering ideologies like Communism and Nazism.”
========
Dear John, read your history (or maybe the books I read 55 years ago have been burnt – in which case that (my request) is ,of course, impossible – Millions of people looked upon “Communism and Nazism” in the same way they now look at “Social Democrat(ism)”.
I grew up in a European country (not Germany) where Nazism was seen as the “in thing” until Hitler wanted to take over the reins of that particular country, or indeed everywhere outside of Germany. Remember “The Volks-Wagen (VW) or “Peoples Car”” – And the Autobahn to drive it on. – Also remember the “Arbeit macht Frei” saying. – It has become a symbol of the Concentration – or death – Camps but it was the “war-cry” that brought Germany out of the 1930’s world recession.
In those days German scientists “proved beyond doubt” that the Germanic race, and therefore also the German people were direct descendants from the Arian race – which apparently was a perfect one. – So for social democrats to use scientists as a tool is not a new idea. – Nor is it a new idea for them to make exceptional death-camps for certain people, i.e. people who do not tow the line are “in for it”.
That’s my rant for today.

James at 48
December 24, 2012 11:20 am

There comes a point where one sees the gauntlet that has been thrown, and utters “touche!”
Do they realize where this will lead, if such strident positioning continues?

Mike M
December 24, 2012 11:26 am

How did a fruitcake like him get to be a professor in the first place? Blaming the Pope for the spread of AIDS is like blaming glasses for alcoholism or gasoline stations for auto accidents. (The Catholic church advocates monogamous relationships. Last I heard that stops HIV and every other STD dead in its tracks Mr. Graz…. )

RS
December 24, 2012 11:34 am

Such wonderful gentle and caring people these progressives are, morally and mentally superior to EVERYONE.
Being the light of the world is a difficult burden to carry.

Gail Combs
December 24, 2012 11:36 am

Code Monkey Wrench says:
December 24, 2012 at 10:48 am
“Jason says:
December 24, 2012 at 3:11 am
I am nearing the point of losing all faith in academia.”
Disheartening, isn’t it? These are the people we turn young minds over to for instruction. We’re pretty much hosed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Darn good reason to home school. Homeschooling Sees Dramatic Rise in Popularity
One of the churches near me permits home schoolers the use of the church building. It has turned into sort of a parent-run school providing socialization and specialized training a single parent can not.

Hot under the collar
December 24, 2012 11:38 am

Well it answers one question.
We now know who Peter Sellers based Doctor Strangelove on!

Hot under the collar
December 24, 2012 11:49 am

I blame Anthony, I told him sending that bloody calendar to the wrong loony tune would cause trouble!

December 24, 2012 11:51 am

Ric Werme,
That Florence Foster Jenkins recording is something. I couldn’t understand a word. What language is she using? This is certainly not Russian. Bach’s material is limited to interludes, it seems. While the singing goes on, piano churns out some imbecilic kindergarten stuff. Ms. Jenkins seems to be not only voiceless but tone-deaf to boot. A rarity, a conversation piece! I thoroughly enjoyed it, thank you.

Sean
December 24, 2012 12:06 pm

Filed complaints today, with the Austrian police and with the rector of Univ of Graz. Suggest we all leverage the tactics of the left, i.e. Alinsky’s rules for radicals, and do the same here:
rektorin@uni-graz.at
oeffentlichkeitsarbeit@bmi.gv.at

December 24, 2012 12:07 pm

I thought I posted this much earlier in the comments but I must have made a mistake somewhere as I cannot find it. So once again here it is. – Ok it may be rubbish but,—:
John says on December 23, 2012 at 11:04 pm:
“If Herr Parncutt is serious, it helps explain how otherwise intelligent people embraced mass murdering ideologies like Communism and Nazism.”
=======
Dear John, read your history (or maybe the books I read 55 years ago have been burnt – in which case that, my request, is ,of course, impossible) – Millions of people looked upon “Communism and Nazism” in the same way they now look at “Social Democrat(ism)”.
I grew up in a European country (not Germany) where Nazism was seen as the “in thing” until Hitler wanted to take over the reins of that particular country, or indeed all countriesoutside of Germany.
Remember “The Volks-Wagen (VW) or “Peoples Car”” – And the Autobahn to drive it on. – Also remember the “Arbeit macht Frei” saying. – It has become a symbol of the Concentration – or death – Camps but it was the “war-cry” that brought Germany out of the 1930’s world recession.
In those days German scientists “proved beyond doubt” that the Germanic race, and therefore also the German people were direct descendants from the Arian race – which apparently was a perfect one. – So for social democrats to use scientists as a tool is not a new idea. – Nor is it a new idea for them to make exceptional death-camps for certain people, people who do not tow the line are “in for it”. And it may be worth taking into consideration that “Social Democracy” may/will or must reach a “Tipping Point” – Too many laws = secret police, etc. etc.
That’s my rant for today.

kramer
December 24, 2012 12:14 pm

There’s a bit of a resemblance with this guy (and also to Hans Schellnhuber) to the Indiana Jones Character.

John Silver
December 24, 2012 12:29 pm

Here are the email addresses to the two newspapers in Graz:
http://www.grazer.at/team/
http://www.kleinezeitung.at/allgemein/impressumkontakt/index.do
And here is a list of newspapers in Austria:
http://www.allyoucanread.com/austria-newspapers/
I’m sure they can read English as well as German.

Other_Andy
December 24, 2012 12:30 pm

Sadly, he is not the only eco-fascist with murder or mass murder on his mind.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/117799062/Earth-First-assassination-newsletter

RichieP
December 24, 2012 12:39 pm

“Martin van Etten says:
December 24, 2012 at 6:31 am
personally I also use desmogblog, scepticalscience, thinkprogress and even realclimate as (respected) references;
next to that I read whattsupwiththat, bishophill, notricszone to know what is living in the counter(under)world of climatesceptisism;
I don’s see what’s wrong whith that;”
If you respect those sites, then it’s unlikely you’d be able to see what’s wrong with any of this, especially as that was the only issue you could raise in the face of this eco-fascist’s sick and twisted outbursts.

Lil Fella from OZ
December 24, 2012 12:43 pm

And here is a quote I accidentally came across that fits the bill.
If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. Anatole France
The statement of this fruitcake,Pancake, and others like him should be a concern for all the people on the planet. It declares the world is ripe to be taken over by evil and wicked people. I struggle to believe how people are so stupid (and gullible).
Rupert

Billy Liar
December 24, 2012 12:57 pm

Of course, under the green’s sacred Precautionary Principle, Herr Parncutt should be under lock and key in a secure hospital for the foreseeable future. I’m sure his employer, whose reputation he has needlessly destroyed, will be able to fire him for gross misconduct and abuse of the unviversity computer system.

December 24, 2012 1:23 pm

Jimbo says: December 24, 2012 at 7:19 am
Need I remind people of this essay? The green professor should realise where he is heading.
Fascist Ecology: The “Green Wing” of the Nazi Party and its Historical Antecedents
Peter Staudenmaier
http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/germany/sp001630/peter.html

A fascinating essay, pretty much worth reading. Thanks.

Arthur Peacock
December 24, 2012 1:26 pm

Great Austrian musicians:Haydn, Mozart, Schubert, Bruckner, Mahler. I think any of them would have laughed at the suggestion that music can be rationally ‘explained’. In Haydn’s words, “It comes from above”.
As for where AGW comes from, that is quite another matter…

December 24, 2012 1:29 pm

Hot under the collar says: December 24, 2012 at 11:38 am
Well it answers one question.
We now know who Peter Sellers based Doctor Strangelove on!

Yes — but it’s Dr Kissinger 🙂 Still around…

davidmhoffer
December 24, 2012 1:29 pm

Sean says:
December 24, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Filed complaints today, with the Austrian police and with the rector of Univ of Graz. Suggest we all leverage the tactics of the left, i.e. Alinsky’s rules for radicals, and do the same here:
rektorin@uni-graz.at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks for posting that. I’ve sent the rector a complain as worded below. Should I receive a reply (I know, unlikely) I will post it here as well:
I writing to you in protest of the remarks made by Richard Parncutt. While the university has done the right thing by removing these remarks from their website, that is hardly strong enough action. I’m sure you need no reminder that advocating for forced “re-education” and death penalties for one’s beliefs carries with it the stench of barbarism from history’s darkest chapters. I am not one of those who “deny” the science of global warming, in fact the opposite. But having studied the science closely, I’ve also concluded that many of the draconian measures proposed to mitigate global warming would themselves cause more harm than good. As a single example, we are already converting crops into bio-fuels, in essence burning the food while millions around the world are starving. Are the deaths of those people similarly on Richard Parncutt’s conscious? By his own standard, should he not be punished in the precise same manner he proposes to punish others?
The issues regarding climate science are many and complex. They deserve to be debated publicly. Indeed, it is crucial that they be debated publicly that facts, logic and science may prevail over politics, rhetoric, and in the case of those such as Richard Parncutt, hate speech reminiscent of last centuries darkest horrors.
The university owes the world not simply an apology for what appeared on their web site, but a strong and unequivocal statement denouncing this blatant attempt to silence the debate by threat of violence.

Andy Wilkins
December 24, 2012 1:36 pm

(Watch out: I’m about to blow my own trumpet)
It was me who Jo Nova generously h/t’d for sending her the link to this nasty man’s web-page on Graz Uni’s site.
As soon as I had read Parncutt’s odious piece I separately emailed the Rector of Graz Uni and Parncutt to register my disgust. I wonder if I’ll get replies from either of them….
BTW What is “Systematic Musicology”? It sounds about as worthwhile as studying the sociology of drainpipes.

DaveG
December 24, 2012 1:37 pm

I left this remark at joanne nova;s.com blog.
This guy Prof Richard Parncutt, is the same breed of monsters who conceived & put in to plan the death marches in Cambodia – the Russian gulags -The Red Guard murders – The Final Solution. The attempts over history to remove inconvenient groups of people. If you scan his brain you will find a low frontal lobe activity indicating a lunatic in waiting.
In the name of socialism, madness & purity. He’s Evil to the core. Come for me Parncutt and you wont see me turn the other cheek!!

Merovign
December 24, 2012 1:38 pm

Just don’t ignore people who say things like this, don’t let it slide. Think of the massive state murders of the last couple hundred years.
They say they’re kidding, but they’re really not.

Peter Pan
December 24, 2012 1:52 pm

Please, see what Parncutt’s political opinion is, and you will not wonder at all.
“http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/”

December 24, 2012 1:55 pm

This man would have done well in the Third Reich. Clearly belief in the CAGW cause has taken over his whole brain and removed his power of rational thought

DirkH
December 24, 2012 1:55 pm

O H Dahlsveen says:
December 24, 2012 at 12:07 pm
“And it may be worth taking into consideration that “Social Democracy” may/will or must reach a “Tipping Point” – Too many laws = secret police, etc. etc.”
The founder of german social democrats, August Bebel, was deeply impressed by Karl Marx. By todays standard, Bebel is best described as a Maoist. One of the current leaders of the German social democrat party, Andrea Nahles, used to have the picture of Fidel Castro in her Berlin office. So, they’re constantly circling a tipping point of lunacy; from their inception. 1891, a German classic liberal, Eugen Richter, has written a 1984-style satire extrapolating Bebel’s visions, available free here, Sozialdemokratische Zukunftsbilder, Social Democratic Future Visions,
(German text)
http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Zukunftsbilder.pdf
and everything in it sounds as if the later DDR (East germany) took the book as their blueprint.
Compared to that, the current EU is just a bunch of ordinary thieves.

Mindert Eiting
December 24, 2012 2:00 pm

Gene Selkov says:
December 24, 2012 at 7:13 am (etc): You cannot give votes at WUWT but you get mine.

December 24, 2012 2:03 pm

Just sent a nice letter about Prof Parncutt’s text to the Graz Rektorin.

Mike H.
December 24, 2012 2:06 pm

Ric Werme says:
December 24, 2012 at 5:50 am
Forget him, I’m coming after you. That link hurt my ears. 😉 And that’s even with me liking this polyphonic stuff.

December 24, 2012 2:39 pm

Geoff Sherrington says December 24, 2012 at 12:46 am
Please don’t rush to judgement. You might be discussing a delightful person, a cultured and considerate person whose mind has been filled with extreme views in which he believes honestly and deeply …

Good point as he does reference the (wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing) Skeptical Science website in his very first line in that attention-grabbing and now-archived screed …
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Merry Christmas to all on the site here, and to the staff of hard-working mods and to Anthony and his family to be sure!
_Jim
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December 24, 2012 2:46 pm

Gail Combs says December 24, 2012 at 8:42 am

SInce the gun ban in Australia state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%…….
The same sort of statistics are seen in Switzerland.

What? The same? Little too much egg nog while posting mebbe?

December 24, 2012 2:53 pm

Gail Combs says December 24, 2012 at 5:38 am

They are also starting to ‘show an interest’ in home gardens. I just heard there is a newly past law in NC regulating home gardens but I have not been able to track it down yet.

Funny … I heard the WORLD was going to end a couple days ago. Even read it on the internet … didn’t happen though …
Gail, it’s alright if you take a holiday off from con-spiratorial-mindset-thinking, we won’t mind.
Honest!
(Oh, BTW it’s “passed” not really “past” … maybe it’s the speech to text thing huh …)
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Richdo
December 24, 2012 2:55 pm

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. – Voltaire
Seems an appropriate admonition for our warmista drones.

Perfekt
December 24, 2012 3:03 pm

Austria, failed artist, Grand Schemes including killing lots of people. It doesn´t sound like a good idea.

December 24, 2012 3:27 pm

Jim says:
December 24, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Gail, it’s alright if you take a holiday off from con-spiratorial-mindset-thinking, we won’t mind.
Actually, Gail Combs is usually closer than most to comprehending reality as it is.
I’ve had it with this cheap parlor blather about “conspiracy theorists.”
What, there can be no conspiracies? There is none? Or, maybe, just maybe, there are powerful people who want more power, and talk to each other behind closed doors? Thank you for accepting such an obvious possibility.
Now drink your wine, Jim, and stop bothering decent folks.

DirkH
December 24, 2012 3:29 pm

Peter Pan says:
December 24, 2012 at 1:52 pm
“Please, see what Parncutt’s political opinion is, and you will not wonder at all.”
Heh… his headlines:
“(1) address the main problems
(2) think sustainable, altruistic, global, and egalitarian”
He has his priorities. Obviously we and the Pope are the main problem and once we are done away with it’s time for the altruism… love me some fanatic altruists…

eyesonu
December 24, 2012 3:47 pm

Why did he leave out the Minnesotans for Global Warming? They make music he doesn’t likely enjoy.
Is it too cold in Minnesota? Does he fear that the may exercise their right for self defense?
It’s scary as these fruitcakes like Richard Parncutt, Kelly Anspaugh, Erik Loomis, and others walk the halls of academia or even that the walk among us anywhere.

Aussie Luke Warm
December 24, 2012 3:48 pm

This bloke is another example of a particularly nasty sub-species of Warmist:
the Aussie Hate Academic.
Parncutt, Lewandowsky, Karoly…

theduke
December 24, 2012 4:14 pm

A slightly edited version of something I posted at Jo Nova’s site:
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In the manner of many intellectual cowards, he gets most of the way through his argument and then, realizing he’s written something that could cost him his job and livelihood, throws in a fake disclaimer:

Please note that I am not directly suggesting that the threat of execution be carried out.

Of course, that is precisely what he was doing.
I’ve read through this lamentable drivel a couple of times and noticed he uses a variety of weasel words to try and reduce the chilling impact of what he is saying: “apparently,” “presumably,” “perhaps,” “not directly,” “evidently,” “seems to me,” “I guess,” etc.
When you set aside the fake uncertainty, what is left are the kind of calculating arguments that were undoubtedly heard when Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and other genocidal maniacs were huddled with their henchmen discussing how to eliminate the Jews, counter-revolutionaries, ruling class Poles, bourgeois reactionaries, inferior races, kulaks, gypsies and other undesirables, i.e. anyone who didn’t see the supreme logic and historical necessity of the cause. In short, anyone who didn’t buckle under.
What’s so contemptible about people like Parncutt is that if his “final solution” ever came to pass, you know he’d be sitting there cheering as people were executed.

December 24, 2012 4:37 pm

Chilling. And this at a time of Goodwill to All? This is another man who should be careful what he wishes for.
This kind of thing has been raised before. I don’t have the link (I could dig it out, but hey, it’s Christmas Day here in Australia, I’m in laid-back mode). It was here some months back, some professor teaching-preaching to his students that every person “ought” to kill nine, reducing the population to 10%.
I think they are trying to raise this as a flag, like a call to war. I think they hope suddenly “everyone” will jump on it and start calling for the culling of “difficult” humans. Fortunately saner heads see such nonsense pulled and the regular guy or gal on the street is simply not joining in. Indeed most would be shocked.
They are beginning to push this because the whole game is on the slide, the sham is on the downturn, so they have to push it now before all the power is taken from them. It’s their last hope, I think – it might even be the last nail in the CAGW coffin.
But, oh boy, how close we came. Pointman and others who can see the psychology are so spot on, the lunatics want it bloody. Thing is, pushing such an agenda too quickly and too forcefully show them up for what they are – anti-human.
Well… I will drink to their awakening, however it happens, whenever it happens, hopefully more sooner than later.
Merry Christmas everyone. Cheers to all who rejoice in the world as it is and all who understand our right to be part of it – just as we are.

high treason
December 24, 2012 4:48 pm

A little known fact-the Nazis were uber green-they loved nature and animals, but hated humans, bit like the Greens and warmists. If the Greens and warmists had their way, we would revert back to pre Neolithic days- living in caves, foraging for nuts and berries- no fire(global warming and all that) and no hunting animals. Remember – “Nazi” stands for National Socialist Workers Party – they were socialists. The chief proponents of the AGW crap are the UN. But who were the chief instigators of the UN and their predecessor, the League of Nations ? The Fabians-a bunch of ratbag Socialists with some pretty “out there” ideas – eerily similar to the Nazis. Go on to YouTube and watch the interviews with George Bernard Shaw – the guy respects the Nazis and reminds me of Charles Manson in his callous disregard of human life. The UN regard themselves as the logical One World Government(see Agenda 21). Charming, world Nazism by stealth. Getting back to the Hitleresque climate denier hatred – I am in deep s*%t – a proud and vocal denier and Jewish ! All very disturbing-please pass the soda water.

December 24, 2012 4:49 pm

Jim says:
December 24, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Gail, it’s alright if you take a holiday off from con-spiratorial-mindset-thinking, we won’t mind.
Gail Combs is much closer than many to comprehending reality as it is.
What, there ain’t no conspiracies? There are no powerful people who talk to each other behind closed doors to grab more power? All this parlor blather about conspiracy theories being laughable is exactly what conspirators want useful idiots to think.

Walter Sobchak
December 24, 2012 4:55 pm

My late Father-in-Law, may he rest in peace, was born and raised in Vienna Austria. He split when the Nazis annexed the country in 1938, and was heartily glad that he did so. He never went back.
Hitler himself was an Austrian, an many Austrians were hardcore Nazis. Parncutt is keeping local tradition.

R7 Rocket
December 24, 2012 4:56 pm

Wait. But the MSM says strict gun control laws like the ones in Norway are supposed to stop shooting massacres? Perhaps Anders Breivik didn’t get the memo that gun bans are “supposed to work”.

AndyG55
December 24, 2012 5:17 pm

What is really needed is a deserted island somewhere, where people like this can be dumped, with not electronic devices or communication to the outside world.
Somewhere where they can do no more harm to society.

Lars P.
December 24, 2012 5:37 pm

Walter Sobchak says:
December 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Parncutt is keeping local tradition.
Parncrutt is australian even if at the moment is employed at the University of Graz in Austria.

Lars P.
December 24, 2012 5:47 pm

davidmhoffer says:
December 24, 2012 at 1:29 pm
……….
Thanks David for taking action and the very calm but firm letter!

LazyTeenager
December 24, 2012 5:48 pm

juanslayton on December 23, 2012 at 11:19
PS. I am a skeptic. If any of Professor Parncut’s have thoughts of taking it upon themselves to implement his program, be aware that I live in a country where citizens are authorized to arm and defend themselves from would-be assassins.
(Should read Parncutt’s followers)
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You’re hyperventilating. Calm down before you faint.
This ain’t gonna happen.
Even if people were starving in the streets and decided you numb nuts deserved to pay a law would have to be passed first. This would have to get past the democratic process. Then it would have to get past the legal process which tends to be against laws that are applied before the law came into effect.
The Professor is talking about legal process, not assassins, another point you seem confused about.
And if an assassin did come after you in some fantasy scenario your dumb-assed gun ain’t gonna save you. First on the draw always wins.

Merovign
December 24, 2012 5:49 pm

Who is Richard Windsor? says:
December 24, 2012 at 7:52 am
I think that’s just barely outside of violating Godwin’s law.

I don’t think you can have a Godwin violation in a thread about someone calling for mass murders. 🙂

December 24, 2012 5:55 pm

Alexander Feht says December 24, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Actually, Gail Combs is usually closer than most to comprehending reality as it is.

It is the general consensus of the ‘adults’ in the room that she sees con-spiracies where there are none and collusion where there isn’t any (notwithstanding the application of Hanlon’s razor which states: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.“)
Not EVERYTHING is a part of some GRAND con-spir-acy; perhaps someday God in his wisdom will grant you the maturity and grace to see that as well …
Merry Christmas, Alexander.
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philincalifornia
December 24, 2012 5:57 pm

I think that the top three things that are driving the extreme believers crazy are, in order:
1) When anyone asks in any comment section of any blog (that doesn’t immediately censor the comment) a question along the lines of “It’s been 30 years and a 40% increase in CO2. Please type, in your own words, any irrefutable evidence that anthropogenic CO2 is in any way involved in any measurable negative effect on any aspect of the Earth’s climate” and the answers are, in order:
a) Loads of climate scientists say so
b) Check out these thousands of links to thousands of modeling studies
c) Crickets
d) Tumbleweeds
There’s no back-up plan with any any hope. They’ve tried:
2) Ocean acidification, a meme that is still limping along, so not totally stillborn, but consigned to the trashcan by virtue of the fact that the oceans are, and will continue to be alkaline/basic
3) Extreme weather events
This cartoon from the “adult” comic VIZ already preempted the “new catastrophe” meme in 2004 (if I’m recalling the year correctly):
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3691/vizextremeweather.png
I’m sure many of these climate frauds, liars, dupes, 3rd rate scientists and idiots have so much invested in this, both professionally and personally, that looking in the mirror is a non-starter, hence the alternative solutions.

markx
December 24, 2012 6:34 pm

LazyTeenager says: December 24, 2012 at 5:48 pm
“…The Professor is talking about legal process, not assassins, another point you seem confused about….”
Oh! Then its all OK!
Phew. I thought he was proposing something unreasonable. Thanks, Lazy.

December 24, 2012 7:00 pm

Parncutt’s proposal is eerily reminiscent of the ideas of another Austrian, from the first half of the 20th century…

Ken
December 24, 2012 7:04 pm

Let me get this straight – He is accusing skeptics (sorry, I mean evil holocost deniers – sic) of mudering billions of people who have not even been born yet!!!! Tell me skeptics – how do you kill non-existent people? Meanwhile Warmists don’t mind destroying the only thing keeping real live people alive – a free economic system – all in the name of saving those very people that he is willing to sentence to a slow economic death. Liberal, rationalist ‘thinking’ is amaizing, isn’t it?

Mike
December 24, 2012 7:13 pm

Wow. Talk about an unhinged discussion. The average class of fifth-graders couldn’t do better. Among the hooting and catcalls I’ve seen slurs against his nationality, his profession, comparisons to Hitler (real classy!) Is this what deniers’ idea of calm, reasoned discussion?
Anyway, sorry to put a damper on the groupthink here, but I think there’s a lot of merit to the Professor’s thought experiment (that’s right – despite the inflamed rhetoric on this site, this post was clearly only a thought experiment – not a call for executions or a death threat. Sorry to disappoint everyone. A death threat is when you say “I am going to kill you,” or “Someone should kill this person.” Parncutt didn’t say that.)
Continuing on, it might be helpful to step back and think about Parncutt’s ideas more generally. Let’s say that there was a good chance that sometime in the future society would suffer a catastrophe, causing untold damage and death. For example, a city received a report from a messenger that a distant, terrible army was marching upon the city and would arrive in a matter of weeks. Furthermore, good evidence had been accumulated that the chance and potential severity of this catastrophe could be reduced significantly by early preventative action – so let’s say this city had known peace for years, had let their defences and standing army slip into decline, and it was argued that defences should be bolstered and the army reconstituted and retrained.
THEN let’s say that a small group of people in the city began to work assiduously to question the reality of the approaching army and hamstring any attempts to prepare for their arrival. If these citizens succeeded in their attempts and the army did arrive, it would result in the wholesale destruction and enslavement of the city. And if it could be shown that some of these citizens acted despite knowing perfectly well that the approaching army was real – perhaps even that they were in the pay of the city’s enemies – would it not be reasonable to punish these people as criminals (assuming that the city survives enough to make such punishment possible)? After all, acting out of cynical self-interest, they were indirectly culpable for vast and needless death and damage.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to punish individuals in these cases – individuals who have knowingly, cynically acted to damage society. I think awareness is an important distinction here – I would not advocate severe punishments of those truly ignorant, only those who knew full well what they were doing. For example, let’s say evidence emerged that Watts continued to deny climate change and work passionately to undermine attempts to tackle the issue, despite privately realising that AGW was just as real and dangerous as every single major scientific organisation in the world has confirmed it to be. And let’s say that he did continued in his wicked ways in part because, it was revealed, he was receiving support from fossil fuel-emitting industries, or because he didn’t wish to endanger lucrative blog revenues (bear in mind that this is just hypothetical of course.) In that instance, I would argue that in this case it would be justified to tally up Watts’ proportional share of the blame in slowing the effort to respond to climate change. If climate change is as destructive as scientific consensus indicates it will be, then the proportional damage caused by a single highly influential figure such as Watts could be very, very large indeed.
At the top of the spectrum of climate villains, corrupt government officials and industry captains colluding to disrupt the democratic process, prevent effective legislation and muddy the public discussion are doubtless the worst offenders (equivalent to bribed ministers of the king of the aforementioned city feeding him false advice.) On the other end of the scale, small fry such as the average WUWT commenter are probably not responsible for much damage individually, and are mostly I am sure really convinced of their delusions.

philincalifornia
December 24, 2012 7:13 pm

Anagrammers, if you use his whole name, you can get to:
Rancid crap truth
Rancid definition: Repugnant; nasty; unpleasant as a result of being old and stale.

D Böehm
December 24, 2012 7:38 pm

Mike,
It would be better for you if you had not posted, instead of proving that you’re a fool.
There is NO empirical measurement anywhere that supports the AGW conjecture. Your long drawn out parable fails. Why? Because your fictional Cassandra warning of an approaching army has zero evidence that any such army exists. She is in the position of falsely screaming “Fire!” in a crowded theater.
In case you haven’t noticed, the global warming scare is being deconstructed by Planet Earth. So quit screaming “Fire!” You are sounding a false alarm. That’s very unethical on your part. Stop it.

philincalifornia
December 24, 2012 8:05 pm

Mike, do you also believe that if the converse is true, and scientists have been “cynically” diverting funds to themselves by promoting scare stories, such as through scientifically bogus graphs, that they should also be punished ??

Mark Bofill
December 24, 2012 8:24 pm

Mike-
You can call it a thought experiment if it makes you feel better. In what way is this anything other than a device by which you and Parncutt try to avoid taking responsibility for what you’re saying? If you honestly think there’s merit to this ‘thought experiment’, then why aren’t you advocating it? Do you lack the courage of your convictions, or is it that somewhere deep down you realize that you’re supporting an atrocity?
You go to some trouble to sort people by motives. You are barking up the wrong tree. It doesn’t make the slightest bit of difference why people elect to exercise their rights, nor should it. Rights don’t mean a thing if the motives for exercising those rights are subject to review and prosecution; this is not what the word ‘freedom’ means.
Maybe you could answer the question I raised earlier. Should this admirable thought experiment be realized, and skeptics back down and shut up, what would happen the next time society faced a controversial issue? Am I wrong in thinking that the free exchange of ideas would be severely damaged by the fear of prosecution by anyone with an axe to grind and who might be able to frame a plausible case about motives? Would you care to live in such a world, to be subject to such witch hunts? I tell you frankly that I’d rather be dead.
I guess the short form boils down to this: Do you believe that Robespierre was the rightful heir of the Enlightenment? I don’t.
Merry XMas Eve.

davidmhoffer
December 24, 2012 8:42 pm

The tragedy of human history is not that fools who fail to learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it, but that they do so in sufficient numbers to condemn the rest of us to repeating it with them.
If it should come to pass “Mike”, that there was no invader, that it was all a ruse by the generals to raise taxes, conscript soldiers, declare martial law and seize power, what then? If it should come to pass that the lookouts and scouts who knew there was no invader were profited handsomely for saying there was, as did the manufacturers of arms, the builders of fortifications, and the suppliers to the generals? What then Mike? Who should be punished then, and how?
You need not answer the question Mike. Martial law has already been declared, power seized, dissenters executed. The answer no longer matters.

theduke
December 24, 2012 8:44 pm

Mike says: “I think it is perfectly reasonable to punish individuals in these cases – individuals who have knowingly, cynically acted to damage society.”
So let’s look at that from a slightly different perspective: In my “thought experiment,” I propose that we punish those who are attempting to knowingly and cynically destroy advanced and emerging economies that allow hundreds of millions of people to live in the kind of comfort and prosperity only dreamed about about in past centuries, who if they have a chance, will reduce the standard of living of all people on earth.
For example you. Tomorrow. With hard time. I reserve judgement on the death penalty in your case. If you confess, I may grant you leniency.
Oh, I forgot. It’s only a “thought experiment.” I got carried away.

AndyG55
December 24, 2012 8:54 pm

The guy should be sent to the nearest lunatic asylum,
and Mike, you can be his cellmate… Enjoy,. !!

December 24, 2012 8:59 pm

Professor poindexter would like to, save our future offspring by killing the parents of our future offspring. Sweet bejeezus.

Mike
December 24, 2012 9:03 pm

D –
Firstly, the majority of my argument (everything but the last paragraph I believe) was hypothetical, specifically written not to require acceptance of AGW as a precondition. So your reaction is somewhat besides the point.
Secondly, you (and many others on this site) say there is zero evidence. Good for you. However every major scientific organisation on the planet beg to differ. Reams of data beg to differ. Thanks all the same, but between you and the scientific establishment, I’m going to go with the latter.
Phil –
Sure, that’s perfectly reasonable. My point was simply that, if you can show that someone has acted to harm society by spreading misinformation in the cynical pursuit of their own limited self-interest, then social justice dictates (if you believe that a reasonable condition of living in society is the responsibility to temper self-interest in favour of the greater good) that punishment is merited.
That said, there is no indication that misconduct has oc