Letters, I get letters

Note: This letter to WUWT from Sherri Quammen was received today at at 1:47 PM PST  and titled as: A “do it yourself” home global warming test. I present it in entirety, unedited, with appropriate citations for spelling and the original story. See follow up here. – Anthony

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When I suggested (WUWT May 22nd, 2007) that Mr. Watts park his gas guzzler in the garage, close all the doors and leave his engine running, it was a humourous [sic] yet effective attempt to make a point to all the ney [sic] sayers that man has drastically affected this planet’s climate as well as it’s [sic] very fragile, life supporting eco-systems.

I merely suggested that he try a little experiment at home comparing the effects from the exaust [sic] of just one running vehicle on his health as well as the probable increase of temperature in his garage.  He obviously knows that many folks have commited [sic] suicide doing this or he wouldn’t have avoided  the real issue and instead call me a vitral [sic] filled leftist or what ever he said at the time.  If one car in an enclosed area ( like the Earth’s atmosphere) can kill someone, then imagine what six billion running cars can do.

In just the short time that the government insued [sic] a no fly rule after 9-11 where no planes were allowed in US skies, there was over a one degree cooling of the atmosphere’s temperature or something like that.  Can you see where I’m going with this, or am I just another tree hugging earth lover with my head in the polluted clouds?  I’m pretty sure this won’t be printed.  We can expect as much from a man paid by the corporations to be a weapon of mass deception.

Sherri Quammen
Concow, CA

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370 thoughts on “Letters, I get letters

  1. Amazing amount of ignorance packed into one short letter. This is why killing the Gorebull Warming scam has been so difficult!!!

  2. …oops: What I was going to say:

    Maybe Prince Charles actually thought he was marrying Princess Monoana.

  3. Anthony, you forgot to (sic) “it’s” in the last line of the first paragraph. It should be “its,” although many people make that mistake, not realizing that “it’s” is a contraction for “it is” not the possessive of it.

  4. Oh dear! I really, really hope that was satire. Anthea

    REPLY: No, it is written by a real person – Anthony

  5. Bwahahahahahah!

    Is she serious? Please tell me that nobody could be that moronic.

    Paid by big corporations to deceive, eh? They keep saying that about Anthony, et all. I do not think it means what they think it means.

    :)

  6. “Can you see where I’m going with this, or am I just another tree hugging earth lover with my head in the polluted clouds?”

    Just another tree hugging earth lover advocating suicide for those who don’t agree with you.

  7. “as well as it’s [sic] very fragile, life supporting eco-systems.”

    She must be a member of the Commonwealth, where being humourous is still allowed. However, being accurate must be frowned upon, because that’s where the fun stops……

  8. Wow! Such vitral [sic].
    Anthony, I think that you are having an effect. Keep it up!
    Warmest regards (as opposed to the warmist regards you’ve already recieved!)

  9. Oh, and Sherri…it was neither humorous nor effective. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you that.

  10. “In just the short time that the government insued [sic] a no fly rule after 9-11 where no planes were allowed in US skies, there was over a one degree cooling of the atmosphere’s temperature or something like that.”

    ..or something like that… Another sign of a warmist’s concept of accuracy.

  11. I would reject one specific item in the letter and leave the rest for y’all. If the planet earth’s ecosystems were so danged fragile they would have been gone a long time ago whether you believe it is thousands or billions of years old!!!

  12. It’s really great to get this kind of unsolicited confirmation of the… effectiveness … of our public school system.

  13. Is there something in her water? Perhaps this lady connected to a contaminated shallow well…

  14. May we have a citation for the 1 degree C drop in temperature after the “no fly” order?

    Maybe the “thermostat knob” effect is due to air travel?

    I smell grants.

  15. Sad as it sounds, I know people who think that the poisonous gas that comes out of the exhaust is CO2.

  16. The earth’s atmosphere is an enclosed garage, so there ya morons!

    We in the Commonwealth countries do indeed spell humorous as ‘humourous’ , so dependent upon where your entertaining correspondent is dragging her knuckles, you could un-sic this one.

    Thanks for the humour.

    [REPLY: Check the address under the name. Not Commonwealth. -REP]

  17. What I see, is the huge increase in automobiles worldwide, especially since China Russia and India have become motorized. The effect? In the last 20 years, lifespan is up by 10 years.

    Conclusion? Car exhaust is good for earth’s creatures…

    See how the illiterate like Ms. Quammen think? This is the result of not teaching classic Aristotelian logic in schools. Ms. Quarren commits at least three logical fallacies in her short letter. Can you find them? Sort of like a “Where’s Otto?” game for us WUWT readers. Who says the illiterati can’t be fun?

  18. Wow, seriously! Was it hand written? Cursive? Candidate for hand writing analysis?

    REPLY: Not hand written, sent by the WUWT Submit a story form – Anthony

  19. Dear Ms. Quammen,

    You know nothing about global warming. Scientists on your own side will tell you that: (1) waste heat, such as from running automobiles, has nothing to do with global warming; (2) a 1-degree decrease during the brief period after 9-11 when airplanes were grounded would have nothing to do with global warming.

  20. “When I suggested (WUWT May 22nd, 2007) that Mr. Watts park his gas guzzler in the garage, close all the doors and leave his engine running, it was a humourous [sic] yet effective attempt to make a point to all the ney [sic] sayers that man has drastically affected this planet’s climate as well as it’s very fragile, life supporting eco-systems.”

    So, the concentrations of carbon monoxide/dioxide, in a garage, have a relevant equivalence with expected atmospheric CO2 ppm concentration?

    Anthony, plain and simple, she was suggesting you commit suicide…..not participate in an experiment.

    I could only offer a nervous laugh at her “attempt to make a point”.

  21. LOL!!!
    Little did she know….and little does she know.
    Anthony, I hope you didn’t try that garage test with your “gas guzzler” you pictured here some time ago.
    No, the fumes wouldn’t kill you, it’d be the boredom waiting.
    Funny that she’s in Concow?? You should invite her to Chico (she may even work in that office!) for a cup of coffee…. A LEISURELY activity…. and answer her concerns! You can even show her your huge corporate paychecks. Then she can show you how you can live on the salary from a non-profit…. AND still be able to afford vacations in pretty, scenic places without expelling CO2.

  22. Sherri (sic) Quammen (sic) has to be a nom de plume. Otherwise it’s an apairateeth & Carmen the opera construct. Do you have a return address to which books on grammar and critical thinking might be forwarded? In England, we still use the phrase “mentally defective” for some people, because they are & we still can!

    REPLY: No, she is quite real – Anthony

  23. From that short letter, one can conclude:

    1) She has a middle school level writing skill
    2) Limited critical thinking skills
    3) Does not bother to think, or fact check, before typing
    4) Accepts dogma and propaganda hook, line, and blinkers

    It is quite obvious why she has come to her conclusions. She is easily misled.

    This is why we do not allow children to vote. /sarc

    Anthony, the letter was both entertaining and enlightening (although perhaps not in the way its author thought.) Do you have more where that one came from?

  24. Well, I have to say that I’m convinced!

    I’ve been a skeptic all my life about everything, but it’s just impossible to refute the pursuasive arguments and scientific knowledge that Sherri brings to the debate.

  25. Sherri! My heavens you have a lot to learn about…just about everything… Yes, please bring your head out of the clouds and come back to the Earth the rest of us live on. You need to pick up a few books from actual scientists and see how far off-base your comments are. You need to spend a few months reading the excellent commentary on Anthony’s blog. All is not right in climate alarmism and just repeating the alarmist mantra doesn’t get us any closer to reality.
    That’s why wattsupwiththat is getting some of the highest kudos in the blog world. It takes logic and reason to new levels…something you just don’t find elsewhere.

    JJ, too.

  26. We have quite a few like that in Australia, starting with Julia deliberately mixing issues with trite dirty carbon messages and saving the world, all rolled up in an evangelical hype sufficient to get the spin into the heads and block out reasonable thought. Superficial claptrap, for superficial minds. Sherri is a shining example of the regurgitation of that sort of rhetoric.

  27. I just sent a message to Sherri on her FB page….

    “Well, Sherri, WUWT posted your letter.
    Don’t pass up the opportunity to share in the fun!!”

    … gotta go get a beer and some pretzels… this should be entertaining!!

  28. I think you should show her a picture of your (electric)car and ask her to a challenge. You will both sit in you parked cars in your respective garages and start the cars. Last one to leave the garage wins.

  29. ISTM a tree-hugger ought to favor more CO2 emissions. Regardless of its impact on climate, there’s no doubt that more CO2 is good for all plants.

  30. Sherri, I don’t’ whether to laugh or cry for you. The depth of your naivete is truly breathtaking. Your comment about earth cooling 1 degree or something after the 9-11 no fly rule is so sophomoric, so juvenile, so utterly ignorant of anything past 2nd grade science as to leave even the least intelligent of the warmista nonplussed. Come clean Anthony, this is an early April’s fools joke.

    REPLY: No, this is a letter from a real person, here she is below on YouTube – Anthony

  31. This is a good sanity check, because it’s close to the norm with respect to the general population knowledge of the AGW climate change issue. The regular posters to this board should sober up to this fact. I work in the electric utility field and you can’t believe some of the stuff I see in focus groups. That said….never, never give up the good fight.

  32. Considering that 1 bathtub of water is unmistakably and scientifically proven enough to drown 1 man, it’s really amazing how mankind could exist with all the water out there.

  33. Sherri is probably sitting in front of her computer wondering, “Why does he keep calling me sic?”

  34. Guys, you are lost.

    When such idiots are against you (and they are THE majority of your neighbors!), what can you do?

    You are lost.

    They will come with torches and hayforks and they will find you!

  35. I think that you should get the Captain Louis Renault award for this article.

    I’m extremely shocked (shocked, I say) that you are not worried about probably the nastiest of GHGs. Namely DiHydrogen Oxide. Very deadly stuff. Extremely corrosive and can kill an adult (if inhaled) in less than 10 minutes. It has arguably killed and injured more animal and plant life (including humans) than CO and CO2 combined. Property damage from this destructive chemical has an extremely high annual cost. In certain areas of the country, it has kept the premiums up on certain types of insurance.

    It is, quite often, an industrial waste product and is regulated haphazardly. Large spills of this substance have happened more frequently than you might imagine (oil spills are nothing to this).

    It has been known to affect the quality and quantity of groundwater. We need to ensure that laws
    are in place (as well as enforcement mechanisms) to stop the polluting of our rivers and streams with DiHydrogen Oxide. We should work to ban it like DDT was banned.

    And the kicker is that this deadly substance is a much greater factor in global warming than CO2 could ever hope to be.

  36. Shortage of Tinfoil ?
    But no shortage of recreational chemicals…
    Concow, CA from wiki:

    Industry

    Historically the Concow region supported dairy farming, ranching, and forestry. The region is zoned (2010 map) for timber production, 5 to 10ac foothill residential, a small area for 1ac foothill residential, and a couple small areas for commercial[33].
    In the late 1990’s the CDP became known regionally for a significant domestic product consisting of informal market production and commerce [5].
    The region contains marijuana agricultural production, large irrigated plantations were discovered during the 2008 fire. The 2000 domestic product from legitimate income sources is approximately $17.5 million, during and after the 2008 fires an estimated $50 million worth of marijuana was removed [6][7], indicating that the region’s per-capita income is under-reported. The region’s marijuana production is 2% to 3% of California’s total production [8] [9]. The 2008 fire changed the regional micro-climate with the result that crop yields dropped.
    10/04/2001 marijuana grow, father of four out squirrel hunting found dead[34]
    07/04/2008 9,459 marijuana plants, value $37,800,000[35]
    07/10/2008 25 marijuana plants[36]
    02/23/2009 32 pounds processed marijuana[37]
    03/18/2009 246 pounds processed marijuana + 55 plants[38]
    06/18/2009 3 pounds processed marijuana[39]
    06/19/2010 Man poses as federal agent and brandished a firearm to seize marijuana in Concow[40][41]
    09/09/2010 56 marijuana plants + 200 marijuana clones[42]
    08/11/2011 3 pounds processed marijuana, value $27,000[43]
    08/14/2011 54 + 369 marijuana plants, value $1,110 to $3,200 per pound[44]
    12/1/2011 the difference between informal market industry and formal market are sufficiently blurred at this point that adding to this list seizures less than several thousand plants is not prudent[45]
    The region is stereotypically thought of as a place for the manufacture and abuse of the US Schedule II controlled substance stimulant Methamphetamine. It is rumored that there are frequent unpublicized raids by the Butte Interagency Narcotics Task Force (BINTF) overseen by the Butte County District Attorney’s Office – but there is no citable evidence to validate these rumors.
    08/11/2011 53.31 grams methamphetamine, value $8,000[46]
    With the destruction of most unpermitted structures [10] during the 2008 fire, the prefire patterns of residences, commercial land use, informal and formal market industries, and recreational use has changed.

  37. Ouch! I do some dumb things myself but I’m blushing on her behalf.

    The spelling mistakes and the poor grasp of the issues are nothing compared to the fact it took her 5 years to lob the ball back into your court! However it does prove that there’s room for an idiots guide to being an AGW sceptic. She is not alone.

  38. Oh Sherri, please come forth, defend thy honor, thy coherence and thy name.
    DJ, aren’t you afraid the beer will go up your nose?

  39. “In just the short time that the government insued [sic] a no fly rule after 9-11 where no planes were allowed in US skies, there was over a one degree cooling of the atmosphere’s temperature or something like that.”

    You have to wonder how these people deal with the changing of the seasons. What do they think happens to the temperatures across the US from mid to late September?

  40. Anthony, you do have to at least give her credit for helping to inspire you with the surfacestations project. This is from 2007, pre WUWT: http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/local_issues/

    “You may remember a couple of weeks ago I got sideswiped by Ms, Sherri Quammen, who in a letter to the editor called me a “weapon of mass destruction” because I’m actively involved in climate change issues locally. While funny, it did give me the impetus (aka kick in the pants) I needed to get very busy and serious about a project I had been contemplating for some time:
    A national repository of weather station site surveys.”

    She would probably be horrified to hear that she “helped” you to expose the poor quality of temperature stations.

    Here is a picture of her at a rally: http://www.pbase.com/alansheckter/image/134211302

  41. Our cat knows more about science than this person. The video-photo shot that Ron found is very illuminating. Our cat has a better brain/body weight ratio, This letter shows why it is so hard talking to these Warmists. They only have out put mode, no input mode for facts from the real World.
    I was not aware that anybody was that moronic.

    Perhaps she was paid by Big Oil to deceive others?

  42. “boston12gs says:
    Surely this is satire.
    Surely.”

    That’s Sherri, NOT Surely. Please don’t call me Surely.

  43. Watching her at the open mic…my first thought “…keep your day job…”
    Is that a Takamine? Those are all made from renewables…string, tuners, and all..then they’re shipped here in sailboats, right?
    Was thinking at first she was tapping her foot, then realized that she must be running the pedal generator that powers the sound system. O’Shay’s is likely solar/wind powered….Sherri would never waste fossil fuel energy on something as patently wasteful of resources as entertainment…would she?
    /sarc off

    But really. The planet cools 1 degree with domestic, inbound and outbound U.S. air traffic halted for a day??? Great news then, now we know that we can reverse warming by shutting down air traffic for a few days….and Voila!! All better. (if we don’t send ourselves into an ice age, that is)

  44. Not a big point but humourous is indeed spelled humourous or humorous. IIRC the former is more common on the other side of “the pond”, he latter here where we obstinately write colour color, humour humor, and so on. For whatever reason, firefox seems to favor English spelling instead of American, although there may be an add-on dictionary that — ahem — corrects for this:-).

    Not that the message or writing is improved by one accidentally correct word (accidental because California is not London).

    rgb

  45. Yesterday Anthony spent the day with Lord Monckton. Today he gets a letter from Sherri. The contrast must be making his head hurt.

  46. I suspect you could run that electric car of yours quite a while without ill effects. I wonder if the same could be said of Sherri’s car.

  47. I have always thought that CAGW Believers were verging on mentally defective, and completely unable to reason for themselves.

    Now demonstrated by this superb example.

    The CAGW Priests must be very proud of her. They need more like her.

    They already have lots like her, you say?

    Oh dear…..

  48. David in Cal says:
    March 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    ISTM a tree-hugger ought to favor more CO2 emissions.
    ——————————————
    As a genuine tree-hugger, I can assure you that this is true… in some cases, at least. I think some of you guys would be surprised to learn how many sceptical old hippies there are out there!

    Love, Peace, and Happiness,
    Frank

  49. a no fly rule after 9-11 where no planes were allowed in US skies, there was over a one degree cooling of the atmosphere’s temperature or something like that.

    Actually there was a 1.1C increase but don’t let reality interfere with your religious views.

  50. Poll

    “Can you see where I’m going with this, 69 votes

    or am I just another tree hugging earth lover with my head in the polluted clouds?” 3643 votes

  51. ‘ya know if you put yourself in an airtight space with a horse, the end result will be much the same as with a car. May take a bit longer, is all. Now imagine 6 billion horses spewing CO2 and methane, among other things. ;)

  52. Just recovering from snorting my cup of tea whist reading this, I had’t realised that WUWT was dangerous as well as addictive.

  53. This is a college student/graduate? Correct all the spelling and punctuation errors and you’re still left with a steaming stream of compositional diarrhea. Her teachers should hang their heads in embarrassment.

  54. My email to Sherri:
    I noticed your letter to Anthony Watts posted on his web site.

    What evidence convinced you that man is causing dangerous global warming?
    Would you be kind enough to share that evidence with me?

    PS: We all know:
    1. Unusual weather is NOT evidence of its cause.
    2. Melting ice is NOT evidence of its cause.
    3. Correlation is NOT evidence of causation.

    Thank You
    Jim Karlock
    Portland Oregon

  55. Let’s see, Ms. Quammen. Six billion running cars in the atmosphere… (bit more than we have, but never mind). Volume of lower atmosphere (below 5 km) is 2.55×10¹⁸ m³. Divided by 6 billion is 4.25×10⁸ m³, the volume containing a single running car. It is a spherical dome with diameter 1175 m (3856 feet) and height 588 m (1928 feet). You know what? I would risk being in a garage of that size while the engine is running…

    Provided, of course, the atmosphere is well mixed. But this is why we have all those towers with huge industrial mixers installed; they make wind, don’t they?

  56. When I read this I really just want to cry in despair. This is so typical of the young people, college educated, or not, but nonetheless brainwashed people in the western world. And they are the majority! They have been propagandized (if that’s a word) since birth by their parents, teachers, politicians and the “media.” They really believe this crap! How can this be overcome short of committing them all to a mental institution? Worse yet, they are active in promoting their mistaken views, attacking anyone who disagrees, pressuring politicians and voting. They use the same tactics as Goebbels who won over the majority of the German people to follow Hitler. Is there any hope? I am afraid that alex is right!

  57. 1. From California – the world’s only modern state totally committed to the concept of economic suicide over a non-existent problem.

    2. Low level of literacy, plus logic challenged, two of the commonest afflictions of the CAGW cult.

    3. Spluttering bad science – an absolutely essential pre-requisite for belonging to the CAGW cult.

  58. Cut her some slack. From the spelling alone, it’s obvious that she’s a recent unfortunate recipient of the finest kind of West Coast progressive educational system. That’s she will have a iifetime of trying to overcome the profoud effects of educational malpractice, is not her fault. But it is her parents’. The whole letter was long on feelings, and short on facts, as if her feelings validate any mis-facts she may have randomly accumulated from her feckless teachers (?!).

    (Confession: I too have teenage children who have a distressingly slack attitude to correct spelling. And who seem to be impervious to my divers methods and encouragements, to impress upon them the vital necessity of always spelling perfectly in public, lest the public consider them to be forever a blooming lazy idiot. I remain persistent, in the forlorn hope that they will eventually take it to heart and learn from their heartaches of missed opportunities.)

  59. Bob says: March 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm
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    REPLY: No, this is a letter from a real person, here she is below on YouTube – Anthony
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    OMFG … her music is truly awful ! Guess it follows from her inability in comprehension and writing skills.

  60. Wow, just wow. It’s difficult to fit so many mistakes (grammar, spelling, and logic) in so few words.

    How do you keep an electric motor (not engine) “running” when it’s not moving?

  61. OK so I give up; which was the word, that you claim is spelled correctly ? So does the concow have a pedal operated generator running her computer; or what does she use for energy intake ?

  62. Oops, should of read deeper in the comments and saw the photo. Turns out she’s not a recent graduate, and so actually has been mis-educated and not caring about it for a long lifetime. And therefore has already suffered the heartaches of missed opportunities and failed dreams.

  63. Please! Don’t blame any school system for Sherri’s inability to spell or use logic. As a retired teacher, I know from experience that the stupid and ignorant parents tend to transmit that stupidity and ignorance to their children; fortunately, the congenitally stupid tend to be a minority.

  64. Lay off Sherri.
    She has a job. I can’t play guitar.
    She has persuaded a bar or diner (dinner? or is that an ad??) that she can.
    Wonderful!
    Maybe her education didn’t cover cause and effect – but she is working hard.
    Leave her alone.
    Sherri, California needs your talents. London does not.

  65. I just find this letter sad. Hopefully there are some letters that Anthony receives that are much more knowledgeable as to the “debate” on climate change.

    To be honest, while I’m on the side of believing that humanity’s impact on the climate is probably not that significant on a global scale (a position, I’ll admit, I didn’t always hold), I think that highlighting a letter such as this is just as wrong as when those on the other side of the “debate” highlight ignorant comments made by those who disagree with the AGW (or CAGW) position.

    However, I also appreciate that Anthony must receive a significant number of letters such as this (and he has my sympathy for having to read them in the first place), and sometimes he needs to share them for the laugh. Can I suggest that the “humor” tag be added to this article?

  66. In the beginning. I chuckle.

    but

    If I have a question, a silly question.

    I thank the eternal patience and respect with which I am received.

    Thanks:
    Anthony, Steven, Roy, Leif, and all who cooperate with the diffusion of knowledge

  67. Anthony,

    Let us correlate her letter with her self description on Facebook (I don’t do facebook, I don’t see the point)

    She attributes these to her identity……stuck in the 60s leftism

    Queer as Folk
    The L Word
    Daniel Quinn – hippy leftover anarchist
    Billy Jack…… hyper hippy leftover
    Hair…..really super duper hippy 70s black power propaganda
    Jimi Hendrix ….. hippy leftover
    The Doors …..hippy leftover
    Marvin Gaye……

    There is no being reasonable with a person who is so culturally prefabricated. Old age is the only solution here. There is no open mind in a close-minded leftist.

  68. O.K., Loyalists, I’ll allow you ‘humourous’ if you’ll flag ‘what ever’ [sic].
    : > )

  69. I’ve encountered total stoners with more IQ left than this gal. Tony, you need to hire her to do you weekly humorous column and have her respond to the comments. Maybe let Josh start doing a comic strip on her and her comments.

  70. From Sherri’s Facebook page regarding the Occupy movement:

    Phil, haven’t you ever heard of civil disobedience? Ever get so sick and tired of getting screwed over by the very people that are supposed to protect you that you feel impelled to do something about it? Apparently not. You seem to be riding on the comformist zombie wagon and I must say that I am surprised. The police have become goon squads for big monied interests and are not there to protect this country’s citizens or enforce laws, they are there to squelch dissent. I’ve seen it with my own eyes, time and time again at a variety of peaceful rally. This country could use a little anarchy! But you be a good little citizen and keep speaking out for this unsustainable capitalist paradigm that is gutting the planet and every living thing on it, excluding, of course that less than 1% who holds all the capital and can afford a biosphere. Good luck.
    October 28, 2011 at 5:25pm

    Her ‘Likes’ include Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, Democracy Now!, Michael Moore, & Left Action.

  71. So, wait, is carbon-monoxide the same as carbon-dioxide? Gosh, I wonder if they’d be willing to drink concentrated H2O2. I mean, it’s the exact same elements as water.

  72. Thanks for the guffaws, Anthony…thou Weapon of Mass Deception! LOL!

    O, yeah, and please don’t follow the garage advice with that electric blender on wheels you call your car. You’ll starve.

  73. juanslayton says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    O.K., Loyalists, I’ll allow you ‘humourous’ if you’ll flag ‘what ever’ [sic].
    : > )

    I’m with you on that. TR was just off his rocker. Colour, humour, mould, arse, horse, napron, scip: all perfectly cromulent words.

  74. Talk about a HYPOCRITE!

    Hey Surely, Where the heck do you think the electric comes from to power your microphone? Or make your guitar or make your clothes? How did those items get from the manufacturer to you? By Ox Cart???

    http://www.pbase.com/alansheckter/image/134211302

    I have no children and there are times when I would very gladly condemn these idiots to the He!! on earth they so much desire if I was not condemning a bunch of innocents too.

    Beware what you wish for you just might get it!

  75. theduke says:March 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    “Sherri is probably sitting in front of her computer wondering, “Why does he keep calling me sic?””

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

  76. “Surely” is a shining example of Sustainability! The goal she is obviously striving for. Someone in another thread made the connection that education is Anti-Sustainability. A World Bank report shows this is very true.

    World Bank Report to government of Burkina Faso (Africa)

    Educational attainment of the household head:
    87. First of all, there is a high rate of return to education in Burkina Faso; the higher the educational attainment of the household head, the higher the household consumption after controlling for all other factors.

    88. The impact of education is striking, particularly in urban areas. Relative to households whose heads have no education, having a head with some primary education increases consumption by 11 percent. Completing primary education increases consumption by 26 percent, and secondary education increases consumption by 61 percent. Having a head with a university education increases consumption by more than 100 percent.

    89. The impact of secondary or higher education is even greater in rural areas, where a much smaller share of the population reaches secondary school.

    http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTLM/Resources/390041-1134749230121/BF_EmploymentStudy_Final.pdf

    So congradulations “Surely” for showing us how true that World Bank report is. Education is Anti-sustainability!

  77. Ms Quammen’s letter clearly demonstrates the effect of AGW fanaticism on the neural connections of the brain.
    First symptoms are strange thoughts about harming others.
    This is followed by false analogies.
    If one person can drown in a tub, imagine how many will be killed by a lake or ocean?
    In the advanced stage, fantasies about Clouds and Trees begin to dominate the thought process.
    As logical thinking becomes impossible, the resort to clichés becomes the main way to “communicate”. Weapons and Destruction become intertwined with both oral and written communications.
    And then, at the final irreversible phase … correct spelling is lost.
    So sad to see such a distinguished IPCC Scientist fade so quickly.

  78. Sherri is in the enviable position of being so stupid, that she is incapable of comprehending just how breathtakingly stupid she actually is. A veritable bubble of warm fuzzies.

  79. Yeah, many years ago I was stopped by a couple of Girls on a street in London who were collecting for Greepeace. So I asked them what was their major concern and they couldn’t think of one. This ladies doing a bit better than that, she has at least two going on here.

  80. @Ron that Youtube video you embedded is not accessible due to a DMCA takedown notice by one Travis Chambers

  81. Frank Kotler says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    ……I think some of you guys would be surprised to learn how many sceptical old hippies there are out there!
    _________________________
    No Frank, it is the Warmists who make that mistake. Many here are old Greenpeace/Sierra Club members who woke up and realized the “Movement ” was hijacked by people with a really nasty agenda.

    No intelligent person is interested in soiling their own nest. Part of the anger sometimes glimpsed here is because of the trillions of dollars diverted from actually helping the environment or helping people.

  82. She seems willing, eager, and full of beans – perhaps she should do her bit for the cause and volunteer over at Real Climate?

  83. They bamboozle these yahoos by calling CO2 “carbon” (i.e. particulate soot) and “pollution” so one shouldn’t be surprised at their monumental stupidity in all other areas.

  84. “…We can expect as much from a man paid by the corporations to be a weapon of mass deception. Sherri Quammen Concow, CA”

    Anthony,
    Sherri must have finally gotten her copy of the CN&R with that “back-stabbing” article re: Fakegate. Mail takes time to get all the way up to Concow, it’s pretty high up there… sarc.

    I thought the article was rude and not the way to treat one of Chico’s “Favorite Sons”.

  85. About a decade ago, I wrote an article in the National Post, saying that Canada should not ratify the Kyoto Protocol.

    I soon received an angry, threatening email from someone who held me personally responsible for the flooding of the City of Prague.

    I replied:
    Dear Sir, you are entirely correct.
    I am the One fully responsible the flooding of Prague.
    Now “run along”, or I’ll do it again.

  86. I blame the school system…
    (Wait till she finds out excess CO2 is tipping over islands in the pacific.)

  87. At some point in the distant future, someone will make a ton of money by having saved all such correspondence and compiling it into ‘The Book of Stupid’.

  88. I haven’t read all of the comments, so if someone else has already stated this, then…. well count this as a seconded.

    Man, Oh, man!…… Ok, yes, it is easy to make fun of Anthony’s friend Sherri. And, I share in the laughter. Clearly, she’s clueless. I’m a crappy speller, too, but I’ve the sense to employ a spell check to help with the difficulty.

    All of that stated, I think this is an opportunity, and I hope someone, perhaps Anthony, will take the time to explain to the poor child why people are making fun. I’ll start…….

    Sherri, when you suggested Anthony try that suicidal experiment, you seem to be confusing two very different things………. carbon dioxide with carbon monoxide. I can state that the readers at WUWT are very much anti carbon monoxide!! Most are very much against pollutants, and care very deeply about our ecosystems. Where many of us differ from your average CO2 alarmist, is what we believe is actually harmful and what is beneficial for these ecosystems. And, we also differ about what causes changes in the various systems.

    For instance, you brought up the no-fly period and notice a drop in temps, but that doesn’t mean the lack of jets caused the drop. In fact, there could be a case made that contrails cool the earth. I think one doesn’t really have much to do with the other. Take, for instance, the last 7 months or so….. satellites tell us the global temps have dropped 1/2 deg C. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2011.5 But, I think flights in general have increased over that time period. You see where I’m going with this? Or, am I just another realist stuck in an alarmist world?

    Ok, I see where it’s difficult to respond to Sherri in a manner that doesn’t drip with sarcasm and ridicule…… I had to write, and then re-write, and the contemplate, and then write and re-write again. But, someone should reach out to the poor girl! She’s mired in complete ignorance and has been wallowing in it for a very long time!!!

    Anthony, has it really been that long? It doesn’t seem like nearly 5 years ago.

  89. I think Ms. Quammen should sue the teachers and administration of the high school that graduated her. (Assuming she graduated high school, of course.)

    /snark

  90. Sherri
    Can I suggested a little test you can conduct in your garage, in company with a dozen or two of your like minded friends. Invite your friends inside your garage along with with adequate provisions for a stay of a week or two, close and seal all the doors. No need to start your car, just pass the time with some good books and the odd parlour game. If the environment inside your garage is truly like the earth’s atmosphere as you suggest, then you will be OK, if not then you were wrong. Should you prove to be wrong then I’m sure you will accept (or would have accepted) that it’s not just gas guzzler cars that need to be banned but humans as well as all other animals.

    This is a joke Sherri please do not try this test at home.

  91. Slide2112 says:
    Wow, what a good one Slide. I’m still laughing too. And, I was afraid to use an explanation point after my wow because a previous poster was teased for using them too much.LOL.

  92. Man, I think I lost five IQ points just reading that…unfortunately as others have pointed out such people are out there in large numbers.

    And why political and/or religious lunatics manage to lead masses of people, lemming like, over cliffs with depressing regularity all throughout history.

  93. Brian in Bellingham says at 3:00 pm: “Here is a picture of her at a rally:”

    Funny she is exactly and precisely what I expected to see: middle-aged hippie, econaut, folk minstrel. And she needs to wash her hair, which was also expected.

  94. May I suggest that Sherri get out of her garage—contrary to her statement, this planet’s climate is nowhere near as cloistered as Anthony’s garage*. Neither would one expect anything but an increase in temperature inside a garage that contained a relatively gargantuan heat source. May I also suggest that Sherri make a concerted effort to define “something like that” when attached to a definitive number—is that the same confidence interval as one, or is it two standard deviations? (On second thought, better not use the term “deviation” or she’ll sue for slander). And if she’s so tall as to be impacted by “polluted clouds”, maybe we should take her threat seriously and get Anthony some protection.

    * I wasn’t aware that every person on the planet has “a running car” and a garage to house it, but if they did, all of those garages would cover just 62,000 sq miles, which is just 0.012% of the earth’s total surface area. But I’m sure her head would explode if she discovered Anthony’s car actually runs on a mixture of 41% coal, 21% natural gas, 16% hydro, 14% nuclear, 6% oil, 1% wind, and trace amounts of geothermal and solar (0.3% and 0.06% respectively)—for that’s the relative sources for the world’s electricity.

    And finally, I wish those Big Oil and associated Evil Corporations would get Anthony’s address correct so he can finally start receiving all those checks. For all the abuse he’s been taking recently, that would only be fair.

    / sarc & derision

  95. I am surprised that the average temperature In the US between September 11 and October 11 is only 1 degree.

  96. [snip - that's a bit over the top - Anthony] I’m sure Sherri is well aware of people committing suicide by drowning in water, quite frankly, it needs to be banned ASAP! Let’s face it, if people liked water so much then why would anyone use an umbrella in the rain?

    Unfortunately, Sherri is just a water shrill, she probably works for the water department at city hall. What a hack.

  97. very fragile, life supporting eco-systems.
    Why are eco-systems always fragile? (or delicate or etc) Has there ever been a study which discussed a robust natural system?

    Just curious …

  98. If Ms. Quammen’s ignorance is representative of all eco-zealots, and I fear it is, we have a long row to hoe indeed.

  99. Curiousgeorge says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    ‘ya know if you put yourself in an airtight space with a horse, the end result will be much the same as with a car. May take a bit longer, is all. Now imagine 6 billion horses spewing CO2 and methane, among other things. ;)
    _______________________________

    If you thought CO2 was a problem….

    The Great Horse-manure crisis of 1894

    We commonly read or hear reports to the effect that “If trend X continues, the result will be disaster.”…

    The fundamental problem with most predictions of this kind, and particularly the gloomy ones, is that they make a critical, false assumption: that things will go on as they are…..

    A classic example of this is a problem that was getting steadily worse about a hundred years ago, so much so that it drove most observers to despair. This was the great horse-manure crisis…..

    Nineteenth-century cities depended on thousands of horses for their daily functioning. All transport, whether of goods or people, was drawn by horses. London in 1900 had 11,000 cabs, all horse-powered. There were also several thousand buses, each of which required 12 horses per day, a total of more than 50,000 horses. In addition, there were countless carts, drays, and wains, all working constantly to deliver the goods needed by the rapidly growing population of what was then the largest city in the world. Similar figures could be produced for any great city of the time.*

    The problem of course was that all these horses produced huge amounts of manure. A horse will on average produce between 15 and 35 pounds of manure per day. Consequently, the streets of nineteenth-century cities were covered by horse manure. This in turn attracted huge numbers of flies, and the dried and ground-up manure was blown everywhere. In New York in 1900, the population of 100,000 horses produced 2.5 million pounds of horse manure per day, which all had to be swept up and disposed of. (See Edwin G. Burrows and Mike Wallace, Gotham: A History of New York City to 1898 [New York: Oxford University Press, 1999])….

    Being very well acquainted with the subject of shoveling and moving “Road apples” I think I much prefer CO2. Pehaps “Surely” would like to come and clean the barn for a year and get acquainted with “Sustainability” up close and personal.

  100. Well, see, just more proof that 9-11 was an inside job by the oil company owned G.W. Bush to bring down temperatures to make the global warming enthusiasts look bad.

  101. This girl has the disease of many people: they want to “save the earth”. It makes them feel like a comic book hero. I sometimes wonder if they even really believe the BS about cAGW or if it is just an excuse to yell at normal people and show how “wonderful” they are. It was the same once with DDT, Ozone, and so on. Something will replace CO2 in a few years but no matter what it is — humanity’s existence will depend on fixing whatever it is.

    We need a cool name for this “save the planet” disease. Ideas?

  102. Peter Plail says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    I was brought up to believe that you shouldn’t mock the afflicted.
    ===================================================

    I’m not certain she is so much afflicted as stoned. As I gaze down on concow. I live in the mountains soaring above it. I am aware that a fair amount of pot is grown there. Given her diatribes that I found in the Chico News & Review (The local wild left of left free rag,) She is also completely infected with ecoblindess and is one of the people willing to do massive damage to the environment all in the name of saving it. She seems to have that kind of blind passion for her cause and doesn’t actually appear to think logically about things. Thus believing she must be stoned rather than afflicted.

  103. Anthony: Is WUWT under attack by the Rommulans or what? Getting a comment through with correct “handle” seems impossible.

    REPLY: No, they just changed it so if you have a wordpress account you have to be logged in to wordpress under that email address – Anthony

  104. She may have hugged too many trees and breathed in the mercury they emit.

    Maybe she can do something about keeping dyhydrogen monoxide out of the oceans and lower the sea levels.

    Artists.

  105. I prefer not to throw stones at Sherri because I have written some dumb things in the past as well. Not THAT dumb, but…

    Dang…there goes my moral authority!

  106. John A. Fleming says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    ….Confession: I too have teenage children who have a distressingly slack attitude to correct spelling….
    _____________________________
    I would suggest you have your teens read this post and the reaction it generates because that is the reaction they will get from future employers.

  107. Yeah, we have a very “fragile eco-system”. What was that prediction by Sherri’s watermelon friends after the BP oil spill? Oh yeah, “The Gulf of Mexico would become a wasteland”. How’s that prediction working out for you, Sherri?

  108. Bob says:
    March 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    REPLY: No, this is a letter from a real person, here she is below on YouTube – Anthony
    =========
    Just ignore her, there’s nothing anyone can say that will open her eyes.

  109. This is kind of like the IQ version of the Darwin Awards; where someone demonstrates succinctly that 50% of the population do have an IQ of less than 100.

  110. “Can you see where I’m going with this, or am I just another tree hugging earth lover with my head in the polluted clouds?”
    It’s hard to buy this kind of entertainment. Thanks for the comic relief Anthony, priceless.

  111. This sort of thinking is directly attributable to decades long subsistence on a diet of nuts and dirt … my question is why did it take her nearly 5 years to repost her thoughts? Surely her singing career doesn’t take up that much of her time.

    REPLY: I think she stumbled on a recent article about me and Fakegate in the local alternate weekly – Anthony

  112. Anthony
    Sherril only lives a half hour away from you, on the other side of Paradise, so why not invite her over for a cup of (organic) coffee?

    REPLY: I tried that back in 2007, she wasn’t interested – Anthony

  113. For shame, Anthony, for shame! Picking on a mental quadriplegic.

    But like shooting fish in a barrel,

    it is kind of good, dumb fun (and anybody who enjoys it is going straight to hell),

    and, if Surely should read this, you might get another sparkling missive about the evul miltilary-industrial compost, or wasting all that precocious brass just for the porpoise of draining all that toksik dihydrogen monoxide industiral waste on the dessert floor.

  114. From a CNN article:

    The thin wisps of condensation that trail jet airliners have a significant influence on the climate, according to scientists who studied U.S. skies during a rare interruption in national air traffic after the September 11 terrorist attacks.

    During the three-day commercial flight hiatus, when the artificial clouds known as contrails all but disappeared, the variations in high and low temperatures increased by 1.1 degrees Celsius (2 degrees Fahrenheit) each day, said meteorological researchers.

    Oops!

  115. ” … Just ignore her, there’s nothing anyone can say that will open her eyes. …”

    I wonder. I really do wonder about that. Not her specifically; but the deluded watermelons like her. Is there any set of facts, data, or theory that would open their eyes? If the deity herself desended and said on The Daily Show that climate just vasilated and there was nothing to fear — would that be enough?

    I guess not.

  116. Ok, let’s take the experiment seriously for a second

    To create a correct physical model, using a garage that’s say 6 metres by 4 metres (ie 24 sq metres) is hopelessly out of scale

    Assuming we have 7b people on earth, and a land surface area of about 148 million square kilometres, and a sea surface area of about 362 million square kilometres, then each person has on average 21000 sq metres of land, and 43000 sq metres of sea surface to support their existence.

    Now since this is a global average, the land will be a full range from arctic to desert conditions. Sea surface will be mostly salt, but will vary in temperature.

    On land, we can expect vegetation to convert some of our waste products to O2, and the water to absorb some of our other by products.

    Assuming we have a vertical column of air above, this is a long way from the model proposed by Sherri.

    However, I am willing to volunteer for this experience with my SUV (which I do own and operate to make a living) – I’d have far more space and clean air than I enjoy at present – I wonder how my local climate will change?

    Andi

    PS – I note that Sherri’s lack of grammatical and spelling skills is a sad product of our liberal education systems globally, and a shear lack of understanding of what actually comes out of an SUV’s exhaust is indicative of what passes for science these days

    PPS – unless of course this is some huge practical joke in which case you got me hook, line and sinker!

  117. Murray Grainger says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    very fragile, life supporting eco-systems.
    Why are eco-systems always fragile? (or delicate or etc)

    Agreed! In fact ecosystems seem to be the exact opposite! They are dynamic, flexible and indestructable. Just witness the last few million years!

  118. I cdnuolt blveiee taht she cluod aulaclty wirte waht I was rdanieg. Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the first and last ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it wouthit a porbelm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?

    So dno’t wrory aobut Ms Sehrri, seh deosn’t haev two be a graet spleler, waht is imoptrant is saivng teh wrlod form eivl cabron.

  119. Paul Westhaver says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    There is no being reasonable with a person who is so culturally prefabricated. Old age is the only solution here. There is no open mind in a close-minded leftist.
    ________________________________
    In her case there is no hope she is well into her thirties/forties and her mind is therefore set in concrete. http://www.pbase.com/alansheckter/image/134211302

    Only having her “Revolution” and waking up to horror as the Russian Intelligentsia did will make her open her eyes and SEE. There is no other hope so I would prefer she dies disappointed.

  120. Thank you for sharing Ms Quammen’s letter…as a natural skeptic, I suspect her letter to be a hoax but regardless, it’s refreshing to read the someone who has clearly tapped into the spirit of Archie Bunker after a day of way too much seriousness…

    Steve

    REPLY: No hoax, I checked the email and originating IP address. It is part of a continuing theme from her, see this: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/21/quote-of-the-week-australian-gassing-edition/

    -Anthony

  121. markstoval says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    This girl has the disease of many people: they want to “save the earth”. It makes them feel like a comic book hero.
    ————————————————————

    A corollary of this is that they begin to look for comic book bad guys. I’ve heard this so many times. People delude themselves into thinking I’m an ‘industry operative’ (whatever in hell that means to them). Apparently many of them are believed to still be at large from the secondhand smoke denying days. I guess that makes me some sort of Agent Smith from the Matrix or something. Wish I got the cool shades and the awesome evil powers to go with it! I’d even settle for an oil industry provided paycheck for my subversive blogging activities, but alas, not only don’t I get one, I’ve never come across the slightest shred of evidence anybody else does either. ~sigh~

    “I’d have gotten away with it too if not for you meddling kids!”

  122. markstoval says: March 22, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    We need a cool name for this “save the planet” disease. Ideas?

    CAGW Fever?
    Climate Chlamydia?
    Carbon Dioxide Poisoning?
    IPCC flu?
    Eco-Freako?
    Mann’s Malady?
    EPA Staff Infection?
    Terminal Stupiditis?

  123. Firstly, I am not sure why we are bothering commenting on this meaningless letter.
    She has got a lot of us worked up over very little.
    But it does represent the misconceptions of a vast number of AGW supporters.
    BTW, my understanding of the temperature change measured during the ‘no-fly’ days was that it was an increase, due to removal of pollution known to be a cooling influence which counteracts what is claimed to be warming from real greenhouse gasses.
    My memory fails to recall the video, even though it was only a couple of days ago.
    If anyone seriously wants the reference, I will search for it.

  124. @ markstoval says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    We need a cool name for this “save the planet” disease. Ideas?

    ===================================

    How about Rheumatoid Gaiaitis?

  125. The only plausible benefit from the CO2-Drives-Climate fiasco is deeper insight into what drives people crazy around mass movements. This Quammen lady is, like most of us, at most a mere footnote in this game, but she might well encourage a trick cyclist somewhere to get interested in what has been going on in the intersection of jumped-up climate science, propaganda-psychology, and politics over the past 30 years or so.

  126. Climate Dissident says:
    March 22, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    There is this article (including the standard homage to the false gods):

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Bright-Green/2010/0201/Airplane-contrails-and-their-effect-on-temperatures

    During the day it lowers the temperature but at night it rises the temperature.
    Simple question of insulation: the blanket keeps the cold out at night but keeps the Sun out during the day.,

    This is an old chestnut that is often rolled out.

    Contrails can only form when there is a layer of close to supersaturated air. The water vapor content is such that when an aircraft dumps water vapor in engine exhaust at over 600C into the air it almost immediately forms ice crystals. So a layer of nearly 100% humidity – water vapor being a powerful ‘green house gas’ (sic) will absorb and re-radiate infra red. When the contrails form the water vapor is still there but the contrails (usually ice crystals) will raise the albedo reducing solar energy to the ground. If the supersaturated area is large the persistent contrails may spread and turn into cirrus. (Note that clouds will only form in 100% humidity) The cirrus will greatly increase albedo.
    If the humidity is not quite high enough then non-persistent contrails form where the ice crystals that form in the jet exhaust relatively rapidly sublimate back into water vapor.

    Aircraft are flying over your head in the Continental USA all the time. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1L4GUA8arY But you will only see contrails when the humidity is high enough. Most of the time aircraft motor past at 25,000 ft or higher and you are totally unaware of them. Only when there is sufficient water vapor will you see the contrails. It is the water vapor that will reduce cooling.
    9/11 and the following days was a bright clear pre-fall day over most of the country with a dome of high pressure and dry descending air that slowly moved East to the East coast. These days are cooler than normal in September anyway. So the researchers were right it was cooler – but it would probably have been just as cool with the aircraft flying anyway.

    .

  127. If acarians in your house had cars, yeah that would be about the same effect has us with our cars on earth.

  128. James Sexton says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    “…”
    ______________________________
    Either ‘Ditto”, or
    “Dammit, Jim! I’m just a doctor! I can’t cure this.”

  129. Let us be reminded of the traditional non-literal definition of the word “green:” innocent, gullible, foolish, open to exploitation. Seems like a fair summation to me.

  130. Smokey says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    That letter reminded me of this.
    _____________________________________________
    Unfortunately the test scores have been “messaged” by Mann, Briffia, Jones… Again they are “Hiding the Decline”

  131. Bob says:
    March 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    REPLY: No, this is a letter from a real person, here she is below on YouTube – Anthony
    ===========================

    I’m gobsmacked. I really thought it was from a 12 or 13-year old.

  132. Not even in the Commonwealth, or anywhere in the world is the spelling ‘humourous’ correct.
    See here:

    http://grammarist.com/spelling/humor-humour/

    “Humor vs. humour
    Humor and humour are different spellings of the same word. Humor is preferred in American English, and humour is preferred in all other major varieties of English. The distinction extends to derivative participles, including humored/humoured and humoring/humouring. But in all varieties of English, the adjective humorous has no u in the second syllable.”

  133. Sherri Quammen is an example of what has gone wrong with America’s nanny state government with it’s warning labels, the reduction of the effects of Darwinism.

  134. Pedant alert!

    …after 9-11 where no planes were allowed…

    I believe this should be “…after 9-11 whenno planes were allowed…”

  135. Allan MacRae says:

    March 22, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    About a decade ago, I wrote an article in the National Post, saying that Canada should not ratify the Kyoto Protocol.

    I soon received an angry, threatening email from someone who held me personally responsible for the flooding of the City of Prague.

    I replied:
    Dear Sir, you are entirely correct.
    I am the One fully responsible the flooding of Prague.
    Now “run along”, or I’ll do it again.

    *

    ROFLMAO! I love this! What a brilliant way to respond!

  136. While Sherri has sent you a truly silly email, I am uncomfortable about seeing links to her youtube videos and facebook page posted here. I understand the desire to respond to those who might doubt that such silliness existed in human form. However this almost becomes a case of argumentum ad hominem which is a tactic I despise. I believe we could have admired her wonderful mastery of speling , and the sheer silliness of the arguments in her email without needing to look at her picture or know what thoughts she has posted on her facebook page.

    Sherri doesn’t deserve much sympathy as a person who thinks it is OK to suggest people with opposing views should be locked in a garage and gassed. Nevertheless would rather we didn’t resort to dubious tactics ourselves even in the face of provocation.

  137. The college I attended had a requirement for all freshmen to take “Humanities”, which was a mixture of English, History and Philosophy with a heavy emphasis on writing weekly papers. One of the goals of course was to impart a basic level of competance in written communication. One freshman objected to this requirement as “unnecessary” and expressed his resentment in a long and rambling letter to the editor of the school newspaper. One sentence of which I have burned in my memory, although this was just the crown jewel among many lesser gems:

    The very reasons name-of-college succeeds is because its total education so disciplines thinking and writing to a degree not found most elsewhere and in a rigorous way.

    Case closed.

    But honestly, I used to look down on people with minimal English language competence. Now (especially in a forum with many non-native English speakers), I am inclined to go easy on language errors. I still have little tolerance for people who can’t think straight, or who have nothing to say which is worth my time to read.

  138. Response..

    Ok, I’ll do the carbon dioxide test if you, firstly, spend one month consuming absolutely nothing with carbon of any description in it.
    Isn’t it amazing how many of the left wing, AGW, CO2 is evil, loonies…….. are vegetarians :-)

  139. Inspiration provided by Gordon Richmond, 3:49pm.
    def: Quammen, noun and adjective. – A incurable human condition exhibited when an afflicted person is so stupid, they are incapable of comprehending just how breathtakingly stupid they actually are.
    usage ex: “I see quammen people….and they don’t even know they’re quammen!”
    specific ex; ‘sherri quammen’ – a fortified wine drinking quammen, with profound spelling issues.

    Sarcasm applies……

  140. In just the short time that the government insued [sic] a no fly rule after 9-11 where no planes were allowed in US skies, there was over a one degree cooling of the atmosphere’s temperature or something like that.

    “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

    ….I’m ‘way past my idiocy quotient for today & have a nice headache going on, so I’ll leave this one as is.

  141. I’ve always said that there should be IQ tests for the two licenses we need to bring in – a parenting license and a voting license. Anyone under IQ 105 gets neither.

  142. To be fair to Sherri I think she is protesting about car exhaust fumes rather than Carbon Dioxide Emmisions.If it is the latter then she should look at this post, http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/08/the-durban-game/ (Second graph down page).
    If, after looking at the graph she is horrified, I suggest to Sherri, she writes a song of protest, and go play it in Tiananmen Square.

  143. Reference earlier comment about the ‘no-fly’ period effects. (22nd, 4:43pm, currently still awaiting moderation):
    The video is named ‘Global Dimming’, I intend publishing a post on it.
    Reference – http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15809.htm
    I would be interested in Anthony’s take on the hypothesis that air pollution due to soot, dust and other pollutants, apparently including aircraft ‘emissions’, increase the atmosphere’s reflectiion parameter and counter ‘Global Warming’?
    I think this is an accepted factor, but the video theme is that GHG warming would be scarily worse without the pollution. That is the claim and it could just possibly be true.
    On the other hand, I am prepared to believe that the CO2 “generated” warming is much less than warmists claim, both because of the science being unproven and the global temperature assessments being suspect (except when they show decreases :-) )

  144. What a nasty woman. This is what happens when you watch too much “Democracy Now!” You start thinking in terms of the reign of terror.”

  145. markstoval says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    ” … Just ignore her, there’s nothing anyone can say that will open her eyes. …”

    I wonder. I really do wonder about that. Not her specifically; but the deluded watermelons like her. Is there any set of facts, data, or theory that would open their eyes? If the deity herself desended and said on The Daily Show that climate just vasilated and there was nothing to fear — would that be enough?

    I guess not.
    =========
    She falls in the category of affirmers who blindly follow. Nothing will change her mind until she decides to open it.

    Just ignore her…

  146. I’m not stunned at all by the grammatical errors but how messed up do you have to be to send a letter to a newspaper for all to see suggesting someone you don’t agree with kill themself? I hope Sherri has the decency at some point to be ashamed, if not for the spelling errors then the lack of humanity.

  147. Did you know that Carbon monoxide (CO) is also produced in normal animal metabolism in low quantities, it is also short lived In the atmosphere, it combines with oxygen to form carbon dioxide and ozone. Ozone apparently protects the planet from harmful UV rays and carbon dioxide is an necessary ingredient for life and it is needed not only by plants but insects and animals too.

    The largest source of carbon monoxide is natural in origin, due to photochemical reactions in the troposphere, Other natural sources of CO include volcanoes, forest fires, and other forms of combustion. It is estimated natural sources generate about 5 x 1012 kilograms per year which if you do the math, is substantially more than anthropogenic sources.

    Sherri Quammen was correct in pointing out that carbon monoxide can be toxic to humans and animals when they’re exposed to higher concentrations, so it’s not a good idea to run a car in an enclosed space, Duh!, also her basic description, lack of knowledge on the subject and the ridiculous comparison made between a garage and our planets atmosphere reminds me of another ridiculous comparison I keep reading about, anyone like to have a guess to what that is??
    (The comparison between a greenhouse and earths atmosphere.)

  148. markstoval says: “We need a cool name for this “save the planet” disease. Ideas?”

    Messiah Complex: A condition in which the sufferer believes her/himself to be the saviour of a group, time period, country, or, in an extreme case, the world.

  149. Sparks says:
    March 22, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Format glitch!! “5 x 1012 kilograms” should be 5 x 10^12.

  150. This is rant is amusingly therapeutic.
    Some odd kind of psychological release.
    Very interesting.

    I’d love to hear more from Sherri…
    Don’t be shy.

  151. The spelling of the word “humourous” as used in this otherwise ignorant and unpleasant missive, is standard throughout the English speaking world.

    Webster’s erroneous spelling of this and other words is confined to the US only, where they dont know any better… ;-).

    sarc off.

  152. Tim Minchin says:
    March 22, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    I’ve always said that there should be IQ tests for the two licenses we need to bring in – a parenting license and a voting license. Anyone under IQ 105 gets neither.
    ________________________________________________
    NO!
    That is exactly the type of totalitarian BS we do not want. Checks for citizenship before voting is fine.

    http://abcnews.go.com/images/TheLaw/ACLU_CERT_PETITION_VOTER_ID.pdf

    Brace’s estimated 989,000 registered voters without licenses, the total is 5,558,265 individuals over the age of eighteen who either are registered to vote in Indiana or possess an Indiana driver’s license or identification card. This number represents an incredible 123% of Indiana’s entire voting age population, as reported by the 2000 Census, and 120% of the Census’s estimate for Indiana’s voting age population as of July 1, 2004. Brace’s report fails to explain where or how this bonanza of hitherto unaccounted for individuals occurred or how his conclusions are reconcilable with the Census data.

    Remember Indiana is the home of Chicago where funeral director’s drive their clients to the polls to vote. /sarc

  153. Sherri Quammen,
    be careful what you wish for.
    maybe you have the monoxide experience already.
    ask your trees if they would like more carbon dioxide. mother earth is giving it to them.
    do you like eating vegetables, eating animals that eat vegetables ? there are a billion people that don’t have that luxury. you are promoting their deaths.
    here’s what you can do to save the planet.
    plant trees ( I’ve planted 5 000 plus, re-afforestation actually, works a treat !)
    start petitioning your bosses to avoid air travel, use video conferencing.
    I am not aware of the costs of air travel, but understand it isn’t that expensive.
    learn how to check your spelling.
    regardless of your mistakes, ‘you are still a worthwhile person’

    http://www.slightedge.org/blogs/2890/2344/esteem-your-self

  154. Finally we’ve identified someone better qualified than Al Gore to debate AGW from the proponent’s side. If neither Sherri nor Michael Mann are married, I suggest they get together. Their offspring would be a monumental ego that can’t think or write.

  155. “We need a cool name for this “save the planet” disease. Ideas?”

    The Vision of the Anointed.

    (c) Thomas Sowell

  156. URGENT
    To Concow City Fathers STOP
    SUBJECT: Missing Persons STOP
    Your Village Idiot has been spotted at WUWT dot com STOP
    Please advise as to dangerousness and recommended course of action END

  157. I agree that it’s a Messiah Complex, more marked in some than others – perhaps we should start a list.

    BTW don’t you drive an electric car Anthony? Gonna take a long time to get carboxyhemaglobinemia (American spelling) that way. Suggest you ask Sherri for alternative spellings :-)

  158. Gail Combs said…
    “No Frank, it is the Warmists who make that mistake. Many here are old Greenpeace/Sierra Club members who woke up and realized the “Movement ” was hijacked by people with a really nasty agenda.”
    ————————-
    Amen brother/sister tree-hugger!!!!!!!
    Look, I’m as “back to nature” as Cody Lundin.
    I do a LOT of hiking starting as early as March and as later as October, so I’ve probably actually “hugged” more trees than some of these enviro whackos.
    BUT,….I’ve also had the benefit of my parent’s midwest farm sensibilities coupled with an advanced education in engineering, so my hard edged practical skepticism comes to the fore without effort.

  159. “Open mic” is not a paying gig unless you’re (you are) a host or house band.

    I’m pretty sure her chords in the chorus to “Somebody to Love” are wrong. No Dm until the end. Should be F C G G F C G G F C G G F G Dm Dm C C and back to verse.

    Follow the bass line!

  160. As for the planes, it was the contrails. Nothing to do with CO2.

    Just had a horrid thought. D’you suppose the letter writer has reproduced? I’m no eugenics fan, but …

  161. Anthony,

    Take her up on her recommended experiment! Turn your electric car on (or “running”) in your garage, door closed, and report back the effects on temperature and your health. Do the whole thing legit. Conduct the experiment at night so there is no external effects. Monitor multiple locations properly located around the garage for temperature collection, maybe different instrument types. Enlist a doctor friend you may have to monitor various health effects. Provide a report with graphs showing ambient temperature and heart rate over time, including the effects of eating in your car or talking on your cell phone during the experiment. You could report on any planes flying overhead despite the no fly rule. Have photos of the experiment.

    The only way to deal with absurdity is with absurdity.

  162. Sherri must go to one of those schools where instead of science or English class (we also had spelling class), you get to do opposition research instead.

  163. Obviously Sherri has been doing some home experimentation with noxious fumes herself, possibly of the green variety.

  164. On her Facebook page she likes George Orwell. Well. Didn’t see that coming. Whatever she likes by him, it certainly isn’t “Politics and the English Language.”

  165. Many folks have commented on the limitations of the American education system as a contributor to Sherri’s writing style. However, I note she does sing and play guitar rather well – evidence of significant intelligence and talent (albeit not the type to gain much traction in a complex scientific and social argument). Actually, her letter was not too bad all considered – no worse than many a sceptical spray (for what it’s worth, I rate myself as a lukewarmer). Her 2007 letter was better constructed even if still a touch extreme.

    Has anyone considered that she might also suffer from dyslexia, a common neurological disorder?

    At least she cares. Therefore she probably votes. She has a right to vote and hold an opinion even if she expresses it in a ham-fisted fashion replete with eccentric spellings.

    Consider the maxim:

    I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (attributed to Voltaire)

    While I understand Anthony’s frustration with the taunt, I’m pretty sure this won’t be printed, I’m not comfortable with the pillorying meted out to Sherri. I wonder if a kinder and gentler way of dealing with letters of this kind would be to set up a “letters” page separate from the blog where folks could vent to their hearts’ content.

  166. If one car in an enclosed area ( like the Earth’s atmosphere) can kill someone, then imagine what six billion running cars can do.
    Uh, last I checked, a garage has a static atmosphere, and the Earth has a dynamic atmosphere.
    Carry the same logic forward, how many engines of one centimeter square would it take to fill up a garage to kill a person? (yes the logic is flawed, but no worse than others).
    In a 20×20′ garage (the Earth) how small would engines have to be to represent 6 billion cars?
    Maybe Willis will do the math?

  167. I looked it up in my Merck Manual and cross referenced it with the DSM IV. Early symptoms include a reluctance to harm headlice, preferring instead to smoke em out. It progresses to Gaialerious Syndrome with gorebunckles. End stage disease presents with obamaroids. It is a very complex condition and cannot be reduced to a single term. And yes Anthony, this is over the top snipworthy.

  168. Angry hippie with a faded Che (or other mass murderer) t-shirt and a hand-me-down copy of Prairie Fire with a yellow-highlighted passage about killing 25% of the population who won’t go along with her plans for utopia.

    California’s got a million of ‘em. Wish I was joking. I grew up around these people, it’s not just an uncharitable stereotype.

  169. chris1958 – if it was just people *talking*, I wouldn’t care.

    But they aren’t just *talking*, they’re imposing on others to the tune of at least billions, and probably a great many times that much.

    I support your right to say what you will, I oppose your presumption to oppose it on others without bothering to prove your case.

    And no, it’s not proven. We have that argument here every day.

  170. DJB says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    “She’s a real person and has a good singing voice:”

    Ummm…did you forget the /sarc tag?

    You do know the definition of flat, don’t you?

  171. Look, she “larnded” all of her science from Al Gore so what do you expect? Ask her what the temperature of the center of the earth is, for example.

  172. You’re all going to be sorry for making fun of this talented dimwit. I can tell she’s poised to write one chart buster and become another Sheryl Crow. Then see if you’re still laughing when you won’t be able to buy any toilet paper.

  173. Many of the comments are critical of California, its educational system, and at least some of its residents. Here is an item that should toss some fat on the fire:

    http://www.nossaman.com/CapAndTradeProgram

    “New Funding Opportunity: Cap-And-Trade Program

    “03/22/2012
    “As California’s historic Cap-And-Trade program moves forward, the State Legislature is debating how to utilize new revenues the global warming law is expected to generate. The Cap-And-Trade program sets a limit on major sources of greenhouse gases such as refineries, power plants, industrial facilities, manufacturing facilities, and transportation fuels, and establishes a financial incentive for long-term investments in cleaner fuels and more efficient energy use.

    “To ensure a smooth transition to these lower limits, the California Air Resources Board will auction a limited number of allowances permitting companies to emit a specified amount of greenhouse gases. With the first of four auctions in the 2012-13 year to take place in August, the revenues from the Cap-And-Trade auction could generate up to $3 billion. As discussed here, the revenues could provide significant funding for clean and efficient energy, low carbon transportation, natural resources protection and sustainable infrastructure development.

    “Full Story…”

  174. Wait, she’s writing a letter in 2012 about something she said in 2007?

    REPLY: there was a recent article about me in the local alternate weekly which likely spurred her to write now – Anthony

  175. Winston Churchill: “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

    He exaggerated. Two minutes would suffice. And then there are all the below average voters. Fortunately most of them don’t worry about things they don’t understand, nor write letters about them.

  176. Regarding the lack of contrails after 9/11 leading to a 1 degree drop in temperatures, could the drop in temperature have been due to jet exhaust not heating up some tarmacs (i.e., poorly sited thermometers)? Just something that always bugged me. Was the temperature drop across the entire US? Just under jet routes? Just at certain airports? I wish I had time and energy to answer this for everyone.

  177. Dennis Kuzara says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Anthony
    Sherril only lives a half hour away from you, on the other side of Paradise, so why not invite her over for a cup of (organic) coffee?

    REPLY: I tried that back in 2007, she wasn’t interested – Anthony

    Too bad. Sherri sounds like a spiteful, self-absorbed person…

  178. I believe there is another mistake in Ms. Quammen’s letter.
    She should get a double [sic] for “ney sayer” [ assuming that she meant "naysayer"]. My dictionery does not show “nay sayer” as an alternate form.


  179. Can you see where I’m going with this, or am I just another tree hugging earth lover with my head in the polluted clouds?

    The answers to her two part question would, I presume, be “Yes” and “Yes.”

  180. Actually, I wonder if she knows that that old tale of exhaust killing people only works with old cars? Nowsdays, with modern cars and their much cleaner emissions, you cannot kill yourself this way.

    Kinda spoils the whole thing, right?

  181. Neil Jordan says:
    March 22, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    … Here is an item that should toss some fat on the fire:

    http://www.nossaman.com/CapAndTradeProgram

    “New Funding Opportunity: Cap-And-Trade Program

    “03/22/2012
    “To ensure a smooth transition to these lower limits, the California Air Resources Board will auction a limited number of allowances permitting companies to emit a specified amount of greenhouse gases. With the first of four auctions in the 2012-13 year to take place in August, the revenues from the Cap-And-Trade auction could generate up to $3 billion….
    __________________________________
    Sounds like a darn good reason to pack up your business and head to another state.

    Massachusetts passed one law too many too, so my husband and I left and headed south. Best move we ever made for us and our business.

    This will drive a lot more business away from CA and no one will move in to replace them.

    California, like so many other metropolitan areas, lost thousands of jobs between 2008 and 2009, according to the most recent U.S. Census reports. In fact, says Jan Norman, small business columnist for the Orange County Register, California lost more than 21,000 business, more losses than any other state in the country…. http://orangecounty.about.com/b/2011/07/19/california-losing-businesses-at-highest-rate-in-the-nation.htm

    This article’s title made me want to chuckle even though the subect is sad.

    Bleeding Green: California losing green businesses
    Manufacturers have left the state. California farmers are closing or trying to create farms in Mexico. Large corporations are leaving the State to save tax dollars. Now, even the green firms are leaving the State.

    “Green businesses have joined the exodus of California companies leaving the state or expanding only outside state borders….

    … the number of companies moving out of the state is five times higher than the rate of companies that moved out of California in 2009….

    The massive deficit, regulations like AB 32–illegal aliens taking scholarship money from honest kids, this is a State that is out of control. No wonder even the environmentalists are leaving for greener pastures. http://capoliticalnews.com/2011/11/17/bleeding-green-california-losing-green-businesses/

    At least the guy who wrote the article had a good understanding of what was happening.

  182. markstoval says: March 22, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    We need a cool name for this “save the planet” disease. Ideas?

    I don’t know about a name, but Sherri Quammen has the perfect acronym:

    STUPID: Save ThU PlanIt Diseese

  183. “Steve in SC says:
    March 22, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    No one can ever accuse this woman of ever being related to Werner Von Braun.”

    Steve, that one went right over my head; care to explain?
    *****************************************************************************
    In my previous; for “dictionery” [sick] please read “dictionary” Sorry …and red faced too.

  184. chris1958 says:
    March 22, 2012 at 6:26 pm
    “Many folks have commented on the limitations of the American education system as a contributor to Sherri’s writing style. However, I note she does sing and play guitar rather well – evidence of significant intelligence and talent (albeit not the type to gain much traction in a complex scientific and social argument). Actually, her letter was not too bad all considered – no worse than many a sceptical spray (for what it’s worth, I rate myself as a lukewarmer). Her 2007 letter was better constructed even if still a touch extreme.”

    So, Mr. Lukewarmer, what you’re saying is that Sherri is actually one of the INTELLIGENT warmists, and that her letter was one of the BETTER expressions of their beliefs?

    You do realize what you’re saying about the rest of the warmists, do you?

  185. RE: California CAP AND TRADE—- I read the whole thing and I’m flipping out….
    Billions will go to the state coffers…
    They will blow the dough on renewables that will not work.
    Disgusting. Read it and weep.

    New Funding Opportunity: Cap-And-Trade Program

    By: Carollyn B. Lobell, Josh D. Rosa, Jennifer M. Capitolo
    03/22/12
    As California’s historic Cap-and-Trade program moves forward, the State Legislature is debating how to utilize new revenues the global warming law is expected to generate. The Cap-and-Trade program sets a limit on major sources of greenhouse gases such as refineries, power plants, industrial facilities, manufacturing facilities, and transportation fuels, and establishes a financial incentive for long-term investments in cleaner fuels and more efficient energy use.

    To ensure a smooth transition to these lower limits, the California Air Resources Board will auction a limited number of “allowances” permitting companies to emit a specified amount of greenhouse gases. With the first of four auctions in the 2012-13 year to take place in August, the revenues from the Cap-and-Trade auction could generate up to $3 billion. As discussed below, the revenues could provide significant funding for clean and efficient energy, low carbon transportation, natural resources protection and sustainable infrastructure development.

    Description of the Cap-And-Trade Program

    Enacted in 2006, AB 32 requires that by 2020, statewide greenhouse gas emissions levels be limited to 1990 levels. In order to help achieve this limit, the Air Resources Board recently adopted regulations (California Code of Regulations, Title 17, Sections 95800 to 96023) to establish a new Cap-and-Trade program that places a “cap” on aggregate greenhouse gas emissions from entities responsible for roughly 80 percent of the State’s greenhouse gas emissions. The program applies to electric utilities and large industrial facilities, starting in 2013. And in 2015, the program applies to distributors of transportation fuel, natural gas, and other fuels. Altogether, about 350 businesses, representing about 600 facilities, will be subject to Cap-and-Trade. The Air Resources Board will issue carbon allowances that these entities will, in turn, be able to “trade” (buy and sell) on the open market. As part of its plan to issue allowances, the Air Resources Board will hold quarterly auctions, at which time a portion of these allowances will be made available for purchase.

    Opportunities for Funding

    For 2012-13, the Air Resources Board’s auctions are estimated to generate roughly $660 million to upwards of $3 billion. The Governor’s budget for 2012-13 assumes that the state will receive $1 billion from such auctions. Of this amount, the budget assumes that $500 million of the total revenue will be used to offset existing General Fund costs of current greenhouse gas mitigation activities, such as energy efficiency, resource management, and water use efficiency. The remaining revenues will be used on new or expanded programs intended to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The budget language submitted by the Administration to the Legislature outlines an expenditure plan that could provide funding for any of the following activities:

    Industrial and manufacturing facilities to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by investment in energy efficiency, energy storage, and clean and renewable energy projects;
    Public universities, schools, water agencies, and other public facilities and fleets to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by investment in energy and water use efficiency, energy storage, and clean and renewable energy and fuel projects;
    The federal Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant Program and the federal Weatherization Assistance Program;
    Residential and commercial energy efficiency and distributed generation programs that serve to reduce greenhouse gas emissions;
    Public transportation and sustainable transportation and infrastructure development;
    Programs for clean vehicles and the advancement of transportation technologies, including, but not limited to, the Air Quality Improvement Program;
    Advanced transportation and fueling infrastructure for zero-emission vehicles, including hydrogen fuel cell vehicles;
    Local and regional sustainable development efforts;
    Low-carbon goods movement and freight vehicle technologies and infrastructure, including, but not limited to, locomotives and heavy-duty trucks;
    Natural resource management programs and projects;
    Land conservation and restoration; and
    Development and implementation of sustainable agriculture, forestry, and related water, land, and resource management practices.

    While the funds would be generated through the Cap-and-Trade auction, the funding would be available to a wide range of greenhouse gas emission reduction activities that go above and beyond the industries subject to Cap-and-Trade. The potential funding touches all sectors of the California economy and would provide many opportunities for public agencies and private industries to apply for grants to implement research, retrofit, infrastructure and sustainable practices.

    Status

    During the coming months, the Legislature will review the Administration’s Cap-and-Trade proposal as part of the regular budget process. Additionally, Speaker Perez has introduced AB 1532 and Senator Pavley has introduced SB 1572 which will be the legislative vehicles to outline a more specific expenditure plan for the Cap-and-Trade auction revenues. Now is the time for interested parties to be involved in shaping the guidelines and eligibility for Cap-and-Trade funds.

    Jennifer Capitolo and Josh Rosa in Nossaman’s Public Policy Practice Group can assist clients in positioning themselves to secure funding from the Cap-and-Trade program. This includes reviewing potential projects, preparing funding applications and advocacy efforts to ensure competitiveness in the review process. Jennifer leads Nossaman’s Grants and Funding practice and she has successfully secured more than $250 million in funding for clients during the past few years including parks, water, housing, and transportation projects. She can be reached at jcapitolo@nossaman.com or 916.930.7706.

    Carollyn Lobell, co-chair of Nossaman’s Environment and Land Use Practice Group, can assist clients with environmental review, compliance and permitting activities related to greenhouse gas emissions regulations. Carollyn has more than 30 years of experience preparing and implementing practical solutions to the project development process and helping public agencies and private organizations with regulatory compliance.

  186. “In just the short time that the government insued [sic] a no fly rule after 9-11 where no planes were allowed in US skies, there was over a one degree cooling of the atmosphere’s temperature or something like that. Can you see where I’m going with this”

    chris1958 says that getting the direction of the temperature change exactly WRONG is what the more INTELLIGENT amongst the warmists do. The stupider warmists get it actually right, but as that does not help to promote their goals, they are the stupider ones.

  187. Hey… I can verify that the letter isn’t satire. It’s real.

    She has another letter this week on our once fair City’s plan to ban plastic bags, oh my.

    Here:

    http://www.newsreview.com/chico/letters-for-march-22-2012/content?oid=5513255

    She writes: ” Two hundred million barrels of oil a year are diverted to manufacture these 500 billion plastic bags. (ABC News)”

    Which is even an error made by a local retired Chemistry Professor, to which I responded with:

    http://www.chicoer.com/ci_20201116/letter-bag-ban-matter-misplaced-priorities?IADID=Search-www.chicoer.com-www.chicoer.com

    In the United States, plastic bags are made from polyethylene derived from natural gas.

    That is not to say that plastic bag litter is a good thing… but lets at least work with factual information. I know that is asking too much at times, but it is an ideal that I like to embrace.

  188. RE: California Cap and Trade…

    Anthony, Do you think large companies like PG&E could be talked into boycotting the August Carbon Auction.? Imagine if they held an auction and nobody bid.

    The first $500 million dollars the state collects from the auction has already been spent on overhead and administration of this new monstrosity and will be retained as a recovery. Half a billion down a rat-hole.

    You were just there at the Capitol talking to legislators… would a boycott work?

  189. Andi Cockroft says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm
    PS – I note that Sherri’s lack of grammatical and spelling skills is a sad product of our liberal education systems globally, and a shear lack of understanding of what actually comes out of an SUV’s exhaust is indicative of what passes for science these days.

    That should be “sheer,” Andi.

  190. Brian H says:
    March 22, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    “D’you suppose the letter writer has reproduced? ”

    You know? I kind of get the impression that she, like, might not? I dunno – just something…,I don’t quite know how to put it. I may be wrong.

  191. markstoval says: March 22, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    We need a cool name for this “save the planet” disease. Ideas?

    it’s just a mutation of one that’s been around since the dawn of mankind…..cranial rectumitis.

  192. You folks are being much too hard on poor Sherri. Visionaries like Sherri are often a bit vague on the details (think Al Gore). That’s because they intuitively grasp the bigger picture and don’t get bogged down in the mundane details of physical science or even the constraints of common sense. They just freaking KNOW!

  193. Looks like climate change is playing havoc on the functionality of her keyboard or spell check software.

  194. Gail Combs: Remember Indiana is the home of Chicago…
    Uh, Gail, uh, er…, not exactly. Easy to get confused there, however. Not too long ago, driving from Chicago to South Bend, I was surprised to find myself passing a Michigan highway patrol station. I’ll just assume you missed Chicago in your haste to get away from Massachusets.
    : > )

  195. Mark Sorensen says:
    March 22, 2012 at 8:56 pm
    “In the United States, plastic bags are made from polyethylene derived from natural gas.

    That is not to say that plastic bag litter is a good thing… but lets at least work with factual information. ”

    Hey come on, did the “fake but accurate” defense stop working all of a sudden?

  196. Pamela Gray says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    “Next time, ask the writer to send words instead of letters.”

    Very good Pamela!

  197. I swear it’s better I not read that kind of letter. After too much ‘net reading, my fingers sometimes autotype “buy” for “by”.
    I haven’t got to the “whose” for “who’s” yet. Nor “loose” for “lose”
    It’s getting scary though.

  198. Well we know Sherri is reading the blog….

    Her video above was “removed by user”…

  199. DirkH

    So, Mr. Lukewarmer, what you’re saying is that Sherri is actually one of the INTELLIGENT warmists, and that her letter was one of the BETTER expressions of their beliefs?

    I don’t think you read my comment accurately. I did say that she lacked the kind of intelligence needed to debate in a scientific forum. Different folks have different talents – unfortunately, many of us don’t realise our own limitations. – hence the saying, Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

    Later on, chris1958 says that getting the direction of the temperature change exactly WRONG is what the more INTELLIGENT amongst the warmists do.

    Huh? Now just where did I say that?

    Alan Wilkinson:

    Winston Churchill: “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

    He also said: “No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

    It was FDR who described America as “the great arsenal of democracy.” That means letting Sherri have her say. Freedom of speech is precious. Only those who have lived in countries where such freedom does not exist truly appreciate this fact.

  200. If the 1 day no fly zone in 9/11 caused 1C drop to the temp, it is very big luck they ended it after only 24 hrs, or else, we could have slid into a new ice age within a week!

    And Anthony, please post more of this stuff, it makes me laugh!

  201. If one car in an enclosed area ( like the Earth’s atmosphere) can kill someone, then imagine what six billion running cars can do.

    So if I fire one bullet into a person’s brain it has to be a hundred times more damaging firing a hundred on a rifle range? That argument which is a direct equivalent of the car exhaust one is so ridiculous I really cannot believe even an idiot would consider using it. Why do the Eco believers have so strong a belief they cannot see how daft they look to others not of their religion?

    In just the short time that the government insued [sic] a no fly rule after 9-11 where no planes were allowed in US skies, there was over a one degree cooling of the atmosphere’s temperature or something like that.

    A similar one here showed that when there was a no fly time because of the dust cloud the official figures showed a two degree drop near here because the measurements were taken near an airport. Elsewhere on comparison sites merely a mile away there was a less than one degree drop.
    All this proves is the the data collection network which was created for a totally different need is not actually fit for purpose when it comes to climate monitoring. This is something that data collection specialists in the engineering worlds have said since 1950.

  202. Well I’m calling fake on the letter. I think someone is setting Sherri up.

    Has no-one else noticed the striking difference between the spelling and composition of the recent letter and the “australian gassing” one? Have we learnt nothing from the Fakegate incident??

    Another possibility is she had over-weeded before writing……

    REPLY: I did due diligence before publishing, checking out the email address to be sure it was hers and looking at the IP address. The letter your refer to was published in our local daily, and the editor, David Little, routinely corrects spelling and grammatical errors in letters hes publishes. I had no reason to suspect it was a fake letter. – Anthony

  203. I think she has her temperature changes the wrong way round. I think they wen’t up during the no-fly period, lack of contrails and their cooling effect.

  204. Yes Sherri, you are just another tree hugging earth lover with a polluted head … or something like that

    BTW The Earth’s “ecosystem” is not at all fragile.

  205. In just the short time that the government insued [sic] a no fly rule after 9-11 where no planes were allowed in US skies, there was over a one degree cooling of the atmosphere’s temperature or something like that.

    FAIL!

  206. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
    March 22, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    “The earth is fragile, Sherri? Really? Fragile?”

    Perhaps Sherri could conduct an experiment. Jump out of a 10th floor window and when she hits the fragile earth below see who gets hurt more.

    Granted this woman is a poster girl against social promotions in public school but it’s still churlish to point it out. And now I’ve joined the bandwagon and put my boorish suggestion online too. This sort of behavior is infectious.

  207. Eye think ewe should due an experiment two prove watt aye already no, that intelligence and the ability to right with know spelling miss steaks half no connection. Its certainly knot a strong correlation aze exists four temperature and see oh too. Sew park yore electric car in it’s garage and let it run until it’s battery is dead and tell me that it’s knot bad fore yore health.

  208. wte9 says:
    March 22, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    On her Facebook page she likes George Orwell. Well. Didn’t see that coming. Whatever she likes by him, it certainly isn’t “Politics and the English Language.”

    Not a bad thing in itself but maybe someone should have pointed out that 1984 was a warning and not a blueprint.

  209. @Amino Acids in Meteorites March 22, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Well, certain parts of it are made of glass, so I guess that coud be partially true.

  210. Indeed. Or perhaps exactly.

    David L says:
    March 23, 2012 at 2:46 am

    Quite so.

    But she knows she spelt it right: cos her spellchecker told her so.

    Kindest Regards

  211. Reminds me of people who are mortally afraid of food cooked in microwaves.

    When you try to clue them up, you then find that they lack so much basic knowledge about the world that even something as simple as a microwave is impossible to explain.

    Ironically, greenies are almost always MW phobics, despite the MW being one of the most energy efficient and healthy methods of cooking food — they are certain some juju happens with that evil magnetron to produce poison. They are not sure how this mechanism of supposed food subversion actually works, just that it *does*.

    So good luck trying to educate them on more complex science… :(

    Ridicule is no cure either — we sure get a laugh out of it, but at the end of the day, we’re still left with people scared into hysteria and bad decisions by their ignorance and silly rumours. Shrinks will probably do a better job than scientists here, if it can be done at all.

  212. juanslayton says:
    March 22, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Gail Combs: Remember Indiana is the home of Chicago…
    Uh, Gail, uh, er…, not exactly. Easy to get confused there, however.
    _______________________________________
    I was referring to a bit of history (note we still have a Major Daley and Daley served in Obama’s cabinet ~ it warms the heart it does)

    [snip . . OT . . kbmod]

  213. Well I’m a fan of robust un-mealy mouthed debate, and I have occaisional impulse control issues, sometimes I screen things and they look ok to me and other people get offended. But I’ve never suggested that someone gas themselves, and I’d be darn sure to refer to the correct chemical substance if I did. Whats the public cost of a public education in California nowadays…? Can’t have been a private school or the Grocer’s apostrophe would have been missing.

  214. markstoval says: “We need a cool name for this “save the planet” disease. Ideas?”

    Geosalvationism. Atmoredemptorism. Carboreduccionism. (Etc.)

  215. A little Googling of her name gained a little bit of insight… [SNIP: Interesting, and anyone is free to google, but we really don't need to publicize this kind of stuff here. -REP]

  216. Dear Sherri,
    Thank you for your question and for providing the information needed to answer your question in full context.
    Yes, you are just another sick misanthropic ignorant envirocrat.
    I appreciate the opportunity to clear that up for you.
    Regards,
    hunter

  217. This is what we’re up against. Our children have this gook indoctrinated into them at an early age. It’s [notice correct use] an of us escape.

  218. More Soylent Green! says:
    March 23, 2012 at 6:01 am

    This is what we’re up against. Our children have this gook indoctrinated into them at an early age.
    ______________________________
    True, It is why I have advocated home schooling for years and even passed on information as to where to look into it on the internet. Heck as a student in junior high school I noticed the marked deterioration in education because I tutored.

  219. Assuming your garage was airtight, the car would only run until the oxygen level became too low to permit detonation of the air/fuel mixture in the engines cylinders. You’d die from asphyxiation long before any carbon monoxide could kill you. Just thought someone should mention it.

  220. Doug S says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    She has reposted the letter here: http://murphies.blogspot.com/
    No comments so far.
    ———————————————————

    The reposted letter has been removed.

    When having a discussion it is best to:
    Speak your mind.
    Stand corrected by facts.
    Agree to disagree.

    It is not healthy to run and hide…

  221. Bob says:

    March 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Sherri, I don’t’ whether to laugh or cry for you. The depth of your naivete is truly breathtaking. Your comment about earth cooling 1 degree or something after the 9-11 no fly rule is so sophomoric, so juvenile, so utterly ignorant of anything past 2nd grade science as to leave even the least intelligent of the warmista nonplussed. Come clean Anthony, this is an early April’s fools joke.

    REPLY: No, this is a letter from a real person, here she is below on YouTube – Anthony
    _____________________________________________________

    Just saw the You Tube Video.
    Time to change the oil in that hair Sherri……..

  222. When I was a young lad many years ago, I watched the Disney movie “Bambi.” This is where I learned Thumper’s law: “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say nothing [sic] at all.” It’s in this spirit that I note the often misused word pair: effect/affect, have been used correctly in this diatribe. And following Thumper’s law, that’s about all I can say.

    Jim

  223. Perhaps she will take up this cause stop DHMO polution.

    Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

    http://www.dhmo.org/

  224. @ Murray Grainger, Mar 22, 4:14PM.
    “Why is it always a “very fraglie, life supporting eco-system?”
    Because you can’t get grant money to save a robust life supporting eco-system.

  225. The bad news is she’s (she is) ‘most likely’ (that’s a CAGW scientific term) NOT among the bottom tier in California.
    She ‘could be’ (there’s another CAGW scientific term) in the middle.
    See, I can talk science, too.

  226. jonjermey says:
    March 22, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    ‘dioxide’, ‘monoxide’ — it’s an easy mistake to make.

    ——————————–

    Yeah, that dioxide has to be twice as bad as the monoxide. Right?

  227. Lets read another letter from Sherri

    “Re “Bagging restrictions” (Newslines, by Tom Gascoyne, March 8): I have read comments questioning the Chico City Council’s proposed ban on single-use plastic bags. Many people insist that using these bags is a matter of personal choice and believe the best way to curb this wasteful habit is not by banning their use, but through education.

    The question is, how do you teach people to behave more sustainably who believe that all these environmental protections and regulations inhibit their freedoms? Answer: You try to appeal to their sensibility.

    1. It is estimated that 500 billion to 1 trillion plastic bags are used annually, world-wide. Of those about 90 percent go into the landfill and 1-3 percent (approx. 1.5 billion bags) end up in the environment.

    2. Once in the environment, plastic bags take months to hundreds of years to decompose, breaking down into tiny, carcinogenic (cancer causing) and endocrine-disrupting HDPE (high-density polyethylene) particles that end up in our soil, waterways and oceans.

    3. Two hundred million barrels of oil a year are diverted to manufacture these 500 billion plastic bags. (ABC News)

    4. California spends more than $25 million annually to manage plastic-bag pollution and more than $303 million on litter-abatement services.

    If this information still doesn’t convince the people who oppose this ban, then that’s why a ban needs to be imposed upon them. It saves dollars, saves oil, saves lives and just makes sense.

    Sherri Quammen
    Concow

  228. Kozlowski says:
    From that short letter, one can conclude:

    1) She has a middle school level writing skill
    2) Limited critical thinking skills
    3) Does not bother to think, or fact check, before typing
    4) Accepts dogma and propaganda hook, line, and blinkers

    In other words, she is a typical American.

  229. theduke [March 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm] says:

    “Sherri is probably sitting in front of her computer wondering, “Why does he keep calling me sic?””

    There’s the thread-winner!

  230. TonyG [March 23, 2012 at 9:08 am] says:

    Kozlowski says:
    From that short letter, one can conclude:
    1) She has a middle school level writing skill
    2) Limited critical thinking skills
    3) Does not bother to think, or fact check, before typing
    4) Accepts dogma and propaganda hook, line, and blinkers

    “In other words, she is a typical American.”

    Err, say what?

    I think you meant typical Leftist. or Liberal or Democrat or Progressive or Socialist or Ecotard or Greenie or Libtard or Eco-Nazi or Watermellon or …

  231. Charlie H says:
    March 23, 2012 at 8:54 am
    Lets read another letter from Sherri

    Sherri wrote, “If this information still doesn’t convince the people who oppose this ban, then that’s why a ban needs to be imposed upon them.”

    That’s the excuse for every lefty policy being imposed. Their inability to persuade the public is their justification for impose their beliefs.
    How convenient. Either agree with us or you’ll be subjected to our decisions.

  232. Blade says:
    Err, say what?

    I think you meant typical Leftist. or Liberal or Democrat or Progressive or Socialist or Ecotard or Greenie or Libtard or Eco-Nazi or Watermellon or …

    No, I meant typical American. Uneducated (in the real sense as opposed to possessing a piece of paper SAYING they are educated), unable or unwilling to think for themselves, believes what they are spoon-fed by their chosen information source (TV news, newspaper, blogs, TV comedy shows, church, Food Network, teachers & professors, or Jersey Shore) uncritically, and thinks that anyone who doesn’t agree is evil and has an underhanded agenda. IMO, It applies to conservatives as well as liberals – people simply unwilling and unable to take off their ideological blinders and actually THINK about anything.

  233. Hmm – posted a response to Blade but it seems to have disappeared. Didn’t get the usual “Waiting for moderation” response. Did it fall into a hole somewhere?

    [Reply: Rescued & posted. Anything with the word "Nazi" in it automatically goes into the spam folder. ~dbs, mod.]

  234. I suppose, when you don’t have a life….you can create one

    …by acting really really involved in some cause

  235. “Looks like climate change is playing havoc on the functionality of her keyboard or spell check software.”
    No. There’s a new app available; it takes BS and turns it into bad English.

  236. It may very well be that Miss Quammen is educated and quite intelligent. The problem is, people judge your intelligence on the facts before them. Consistently bad spelling, unfair as it may be, is a sign that you are a lazy inconsiderate dolt.

    Life is not fair. If you want people to take you seriously, then for starters, spell correctly. In this day and age, there is ***no*** excuse for poor spelling. When someone is reading your screed, every time there is a misspelling, it’s a mental glottal stop inflicted on your poor reader, who has to stop reading, guess at the supposed correct word, insert it into the information flow, and then attempt to resync to the thought train. At some point, your reader gives up, because any unique information or perspective you may have, is not worth the mental effort and their time to figure it out.

    You’re lazy and inconsiderate because you don’t want to do the hard work to make your writings easy to read. And you’re a dolt because you haven’t figured out that when you misspell, your writings are ineffective.

  237. [snip . . this blog is about science . . rephrase your points in scientific terms rather than emotion and give it another go . . kbmod]

  238. sherriq says:
    March 23, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    ================
    Sherry you should be really angry at all the money channeled into CO2….that does not cause any of the problems you listed
    Wouldn’t you rather see that money go to help solve real pollution problems….

  239. sherriq,

    No thanks to Anthony for publishing your letter? How ungrateful. And you still need a proof reader.

    This isn’t a medical blog, but I should point out that because of technology, cheap fossil fuels, and a free market, your children are most likely to live far longer and healthier lives than your grandparents.

    Finally, did you call us”whores” because of your assumption that we are all working for corporations? I think if you eliminated from your life everything made by a corporation, you would be living in a goatskin yurt and cutting your own fire wood. Besides that being bad for the environment, keep in mind that hospitals and almost all doctors are corporations. I think I detect more than a little hypocrisy in your rant.

  240. TonyG says:
    [Reply: Rescued & posted. Anything with the word "Nazi" in it automatically goes into the spam folder. ~dbs, mod.]

    Ok, I see that now – a point to remember, even when quoting someone else! I didn’t even notice it in the quoted text. Thanks!

    [Moderator's Note: This one had to rescued, too. -REP]

  241. Smokey says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Yep, works for me, understood every word, just took a few seconds longer to read. ;-)

    DaveE.

  242. It’s fairly predictable that the majority of comments regarding my letter are filled with venom and hatred. It is what I’ve come to expect from the folks on the right.
    I misspell a few words and that negates the message that I’m trying to convey. Global warming is not the real issue here, people. The important thing is to remember that we have only one planet a to live on and that it is this great big beautiful planet that supports our lives, the lives of our children and of their children and all other living things. What we do to this planet, we do to ourselves. Let me put it in a way that you folks might understand, one should not shit in their own bed. When government agencies placed there to protect the interest of th
    e citizens of this country get in bed, so to speak with the corporations they are supposed to regulate, then we end up with billion dollar bail outs, outragious gas prices and environmental degradation. Global warming is but the tip of the
    (melting) iceburg. What worries me is all the damage that fracking is wrecking on this nation’s ground water. When a person who has had one of these wells on their property can turn on their faucet and set fire to the water coming out of it, that is not a good thing.
    By the way, do you know how difficult it is to type a comment via cell phone on this website? If my love of the planet and distain for all who would mindlessly and short sightedly harm makes me your enemy then so be it. You can malign me all you,d like. At least I’m speaking out for what I believe to be true. Do you want to see the proliferation of cancers and other pollution related diseases? Carcenogens are found in so many products including Round Up through glyphosates, plastics, air fresheners, household cleaners. Have you ever had someone you love die of cancer? My mother died last June, my nephew was born withtumors covering his body. Only one planet folks and humans aren’t the only life forms, though we arrogantly act like it. I hope this gets posted because my other one did not.

    [Reply: All of your comments have been posted. We do not censor different points of view, no matter how unusual. And we thank you for adding to our site traffic. ~dbs, mod.]

    • Sherriq,
      sorry about your mother, and your nephew. We all want a healthier planet, however I suspect many people here would disagree with you what the real threats are. Most folks find it hard to understand risks and what we should really fear, so we tend to fear what we don’t really understand.

      It is easy to begin to think of all pesticides as bad and all manmade chemcials as bad and yet natural chemicals can be very harmful and something as natural as milk is officially considered to be pollution if you spill a tanker of it into a river.

      You mentioned the herbicide Round Up, and glyphosate its active ingredient – these are not considered carcinogenic at all – after a lot of testing. http://environmentalcommons.org/glyphosate.pdf
      The ‘worst’ effect is from the surfactant – it has the same effect as concentrated washing up liquid if someone were to drink it – strips the protective lining from your gut.

  243. Sherri, Sherri baby… (a song)

    Your letter is quite popular.

    You could at least make one civil comment.

    Maybe become a regular guest poster like Willis?

    Come on, a keyboard is easy…. type away.

  244. Sherri,

    We don’t hate you. But perhaps more offensively we can’t take you seriously. I know you aren’t delusional, but you sure write like it. Fracking: all the evidence is fracking itself never effects the groundwater. The shale simply is too deep. There is always the possiblity of a poorly sealed well, but that is just as true with conventional drilling. At my aunt’s ranch in Wyoming, forty years ago you could light the gas that came out of the kitchen faucet. It didn’t have anything to do with oil wells.

    Believing something, even passionately, with all your heart, doesn’t make it true. Please learn to examine the evidence dispassionately.

    I have to ask, your blond hair is natural, right?

  245. sherriq says:
    March 23, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    It’s fairly predictable that the majority of comments regarding my letter are filled with venom and hatred. It is what I’ve come to expect from the folks on the right….
    _______________________
    There you go making assumptions again based on zero fact.

    People here are NOT on “The right” they are on the side of science. Many are Democrats or Independents. Many like me are former members of Greenpeace or Sierra Club or World Wildlife Federation. We all care about the children of the future only we do not want to see them as serfs returned to a dark age economy by a totalitarian government run by the Ultra Wealthy.
    Wake up and see who you are really working for. The Rothschilds. the Rockefellers, the Morgans and the World Bank, the World Trade Organization as well as a bunch of leaches called United Nations Bureaucrats.

    Don’t believe me?
    Then read just this one article by the Director of the World Trade Organization, Pascal Lamy: http://theglobaljournal.net/article/view/56/

    Also remember the EU is run by an bunch of unelected bureaucrats. this article gives you exactly how a global government will operate since the pilot project was the EU.
    The Battle to Save the Polish Countryside: http://www.polishforums.com/archives/2008/news-politics-4/battle-save-polish-farmers-23819/

    Sir Julian Rose, an Englishman, a leading exponent of organic farming, exposes the scandal of EU’s deliberate policy to get rid of family farms for the benefit of the corporations and gives a personal account of his battle with the GMO dragon that threatens to devastate rural Poland….

    I am old with no children, if I did not care about future generations I would not waste my remaining time on earth trying to spread the truth.

  246. sherriq says:

    “It’s fairly predictable that the majority of comments regarding my letter are filled with venom and hatred.”

    What, there are no mirrors in your yurt?☺

  247. Sherri,

    Most of us here would like to see less pollution….
    That’s not usually what is discussed here though.

    However Carbon Dioxide is not a poison or a pollutant like the EPA is claiming.
    And is here considered a minor influence in Global Warming if at all.

    The new California Carbon Cap and Trade Law is a scam.
    And it will cost you dearly in the next year.
    Advocate to revoke the law.
    There you could be very helpful.
    Best regards to you.

  248. Ps to Sherriq,

    We are not all bad and evil people.
    Your friend Sue Hilderbrand is a friend of mine.
    See, it’s a small world really…

    Anthony is a great and reasonable guy.
    Why not meet him for coffee at the perk.
    You can bury the carbon hatchet in a cup of joe…

  249. sherriq says:
    March 23, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    It’s fairly predictable that the majority of comments regarding my letter are filled with venom and hatred.

    Derision is neither venom nor hatred. We wonder at your ignorance.

    Did you know that if we live long enough, it is likely that the major cause of death will become cancer?

    Cancer was almost unheard of in the 1800s, not because it was unknown but because no-one lived long enough to get it!

    DaveE.

  250. I was amused by this story, yet I also can’t help but feel very strongly disappointed in this Sherri Quammen.

  251. Sherri

    You must realise that the banskters and corporations are the ones behind and who profit from the global warming scam.

  252. Sherri,

    Your audience here extends to every corner of the world.

    You are being handed the microphone.

    Speak up.

  253. Sherri,

    I applaud you for posting in what must seem a hostile forum to you, and may I note that you express your points eloquently. It is easy to despise people you don’t know, and imagine the worst of them, and this is true for all people, right, left, conservative, liberal, or whatever. Making an effort to communicate is fundamental to countering this.
    I’m quite certain that many of the posters here care deeply about the environment. For my part, I find it agonizing that so many resources are squandered to so little effect in the AGW/CAGW arena, when these millions of hours and billions of dollars could actually accomplish real benefit and solve real problems in other areas. We are NOT comic book villains here. Well, except for Mosher. :p
    Thanks for posting,

  254. Sherriq,

    You have made my day, if inadvertently. We do not hate you. Most of us have been mightily entertained, and many of us appreciate a good laugh. Please note the number of people who thought Anthony was pulling a fast one on us with what those people thought was a fabricated letter. Given the content of your letter, that thought was certainly plausible.

    Consider that if Anthony had taken you up and done your experiment, it would not have proved your point. Assuming that Anthony used a gasoline powered vehicle (I don’t know what kind he has, and I suspect you don’t either), and he had sufficient fuel, Anthony would be dead, not because of CO2, but either by carbon monoxide poisoning or lack of oxygen, the oxygen having been consumed by combustion. Carbon monoxide has never been a part of the climate debate as far as I know. No one has suggested we will suffocate from carbon dioxide, so your analogy is fatally flawed. It was merely trying to be clever about how you suggest Anthony kill himself. It is you who are hateful and vitriolic to suggest such a thing.

    You rail against corporations, yet you use their services and products without apology. You complain about high gas prices (in other posts you have authored) when the current administration likes high prices to slow down consumption of carbon based fuels and make the big oil companies lots of money by artificially limiting supply. Most of the electricity you use to run your computer and be on the internet to post your opinion is non-green sourced. You must be as angry at yourself as with Anthony or the rest of us. That is sad.

    What I would like to suggest is that you laugh with us and reconsider your position. For example, consider this video:

    The lady in the above video did not have any clue about how rainbows are formed via refraction and reflection in water droplets. She attributed the rainbow to toxic chemicals in the water. She could have easily discovered that her water wasn’t polluted on cloudy days. She could have discovered that pollution had nothing to do with it by using a powerful light on her sprinkler at night. Since she has access to the internet to upload this video, she could easily have googled “rainbows” and discovered how they are made and applied it to her situation. She obviously didn’t. If she had, she didn’t believe, and if that is the case, there is really nothing that can be done for her. I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that nothing can be done for you either, as you can’t even argue your own side of the debate correctly. I’m surprised that your local papers are publishing your uninformed comments. The fact they publish your thoughts does not mean your thoughts are valid. The editors may see the same entertainment value many of us in this thread do. Its been a real hoot. Publication may not necessarily be a compliment.

    If you want to be taken seriously, you need to learn about how the arguments for and against limiting carbon usage as a fuel apply and how to use them correctly. While spelling mistakes won’t affect the validity of your arguments, or lack thereof, you should realize you don’t want to give people a reason to ignore you. Spelling errors make you look uneducated and give people another data point that suggests you may not have enough information to come to the conclusions you have come to. If you see a red line under a word, the WordPress editor thinks you have misspelled it. Use Google on such words, and it will let you know about any mistakes with “did you mean ______” where the blank is the potentially misspelled word. You then take that word and use Google on the proposed spelling with “______ definition”. If Google got the spelling correct (it sometimes misses), you will find several dictionaries with an entry on it. I’m guessing that the people who criticized your spelling did so not because it invalidated your arguments, but because it fit with the lack of understanding you have of the subject matter you are attempting to promote. There is no point in inflicting self administered wounds.

    Now, Sherri, one last thought I’d like you to consider: in the vast expanse that is the universe, mother nature loves cold. Lots and lots of cold. Like as in 99.999% or more of it is too cold for any kind of life. You might want to appreciate the warmth we have. It has been warmer than now as recently as 1000 years ago during the medieval warm period without harming life as we know it. More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is good for life, especially plants, and may put off for a small time the inevitable swing back to cold. I like warm. Warm is good. :)

    PS: Please do take advantage of Anthony’s offer to visit with him.

  255. You, know, the more I think about this, the more I’m convinced that Sherri Quammen of Concow, CA would be the perfect foil at one of Monckton’s presentations.

    I mean, her grasp of the science and of the English language would be more than enough to counter ANY of Monckton’s arguments.

    Maybe he should extend an olive branch, and personally invite her to a debate.

  256. Sherri, I for one am very glad that you replied. I disagree with much of what you say but I think you have every right to your opinions. I don’t think the misspelling detracts from your argument. Although you got a hostile reception, you at least had the right to reply. There are all too many countries that would have denied you that right. At the same time, I think you were brave to post. Apart from anything else, I see you as a person who cares deeply. The world needs people who care even if sometimes/often we disagree.

    • Chris1958 says:
      Sherri, I for one am very glad that you replied. I disagree with much of what you say but I think you have every right to your opinions. I don’t think the misspelling detracts from your argument. Although you got a hostile reception, you at least had the right to reply. There are all too many countries that would have denied you that right.

      Not only countries, but blogs – many of which Sherri probably considers as authorities on the subject.

      And in all of this, I have yet to see a response to the FACTUAL errors in her assertments.

      Sherri – please answer: is your BELIEF so ingrained that it can’t tolerate debate based on the FACTS? If so, then I must ask – what good is it? (If not, then I have to ask, why are you not debating the facts?)

  257. …he wouldn’t have avoided the real issue and instead call [sic] me a vitral [sic] filled leftist….
    Don’t know how we missed that one….

  258. Smokey says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    LOL, Ok, OK! I was feeling bad for Sherri. I mean yes, it is good to show the hate and manufactured ignorance in our society, and it is true that this letter is a classic example of that. Yet do we really need to remove this poor gril’s head to feel talller? And so, feeling a bit sad, I was not amused at what is really kind of tragic, and then Smokey posted this and I had to LOL.

  259. The following is not directed at the sincere Ms Quammen. She may be fully capable of understanding the most esoteric details of climate science, and indeed have an IQ higher than any of the rest of us. Her apparent misunderstandings of science and logic may be directly attributable to a lamentable educational system.

    This discussion brings to mind two concepts I learned in just the last couple of weeks (isn’t it odd how one often learns something new, and immediately sees an application for it?). Those concepts are the Dunning-Kruger Effect, and Anosognosia.

    The Dunning-Kruger Effect is when a person’s incompetence masks his/her ability to recognize his/her incompetence. Or as some put it, when a person is so stupid that they don’t realize they’re stupid. That sounds a bit harsh, but we’re not very good at knowing what we don’t know. The less we realize that, the more likely we are to look foolish.

    Anosognosia is a condition in which a person who suffers from a disability seems unaware of or denies the existence of his or her disability.

    For a very entertaining discussion of these conditions, I suggest reading http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/

  260. I’m still waiting for Sherri to show her proof that I’m “…paid by the corporations to be a weapon of mass deception.”

    I’m looking forward to seeing how she’s going to prove that, seeing how it isn’t true.

    That and an apology for suggesting I conduct a garage experiment, which was a thinly veiled suggestion that I kill myself. I wonder if the Peace and Justice Center will have to write another letter apologizing to me for the behavior of one of their members since she’s likely to write another letter to the local newspaper telling everyone how terrible I am, all my readers are. etc.

    Of course Sherri, all that could have been avoided if you’d responded instead of ignoring me the first time. I used to be much like you, so sure of myself about the evils of Carbon Dioxide, pollution, etc. But I soon discovered that much of what is being fed to us in the MSM is hype, and if you look no further than the headlines, you fall victim to the hype.

  261. Sherri,

    I decided to give you the benefit of doubt for the experiment. The atmosphere of earth has a weight of 5×10^18 kg, Now the weight of atmosphere where I am is 1.215 kg/m^3.

    My garage is 9x5x2.5 meters or 112.5 cubic meters. So I have ~137 kg of atmosphere in my garage. So with this sense of scale in mind I decided to go ahead and run the worlds cars in my garage. Now there are 800 million cars globally(a little less than your 6 billion number), these produce 3.77×10^12 kg of CO2 annually. So we’re looking at 1kg of co2 added annually per 1.33×10^6Kg of atmosphere.

    So scaling this for my garage was difficult to finding a match. In the end I settled for a match. I took a matchbook (made from recycled paper) into my garage and lit it(before anyone corrects me I know that this produces quite a bit more CO2 than is accurate for the experiment, but it’s best to ere on the side of caution.). After waiting a few minutes I checked my thermometer and it showed no change in temperature.

    To go for broke I pulled my car into the garage. Now I had another problem, the car displaced about 30 cubic meters of atmosphere, but I decided not to worry at this point. I shut the garage and let the car run for about 10 seconds. This would simulate the emissions of a billion cars over a century. Now admittedly my thermometer I have is only accurate to a degree so it’s not a perfect experiment, but I didn’t see any increase in temperature.

    Thank you for your experiment it really helps ease my mind that CO2 is not the big scary monster people make it out to be.

    On a side note my car is an old 1983 Mercedes. Current generation cars produce a fraction of the CO2 emitted by my vehicle so we’re actually getting better in that regards.

  262. (sigh)

    Opens with insults, turns around and claims victim status.

    Nope, not accepting it. Just another passive-aggressive attempt to control the conversation.

  263. In her defense, not that I consider any of this defensible, I find that in posting comments with my Android that the “spell checker” can get very creative with its choices and that may explain some of the flicker word
    Excellent example! The word “flicker” above resulted after I had typed “florist”.

  264. That’s too funny.
    See previous post.
    I tried to type “g-o-o-f-I-e-r” and android refuses to let me do it.

  265. “Math Genius says:
    March 22, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    Considering that 1 bathtub of water is unmistakably and scientifically proven enough to drown 1 man, it’s really amazing how mankind could exist with all the water out there.”

    I sure hope she doesn’t go to this site!

    http://www.dhmo.org/

  266. TonyG [March 23, 2012 at 10:45 am] says:

    Blade says:
    “Err, say what?

    I think you meant typical Leftist. or Liberal or Democrat or Progressive or Socialist or Ecotard or Greenie or Libtard or Eco-Nazi or Watermellon or …”

    No, I meant typical American. Uneducated (in the real sense as opposed to possessing a piece of paper SAYING they are educated), unable or unwilling to think for themselves, believes what they are spoon-fed by their chosen information source (TV news, newspaper, blogs, TV comedy shows, church, Food Network, teachers & professors, or Jersey Shore) uncritically, and thinks that anyone who doesn’t agree is evil and has an underhanded agenda. IMO, It applies to conservatives as well as liberals – people simply unwilling and unable to take off their ideological blinders and actually THINK about anything.”

    Typical human, perhaps. Typical leftist, definitely. Typical American, no way unless you completely ignore the vast expanse between the coasts and judge us by the vocal minority of elitist and arrogant yet illogical and immature nanny state children. The typical American in flyover country is not a spoon-fed robot and has a healthy distrust of the media and the establishment. This is what they normally get criticized for by the pompous asses in the media and ivory towers.

    We have the same type of leftists here that exist everywhere else on the planet but we are blessed that they exist here in lower total percentages, although packed like rats in our big cities. Polls consistently show that they are probably 20% of the total. If you add to them the ornery self-described independent 30% they can sometimes muster a united voting majority now and then as they did with President Dumbo (52%).

    I guess I am just challenging your term: “No, I meant typical American” because if that is a typical American, then in all other places on Earth they are hyper-typical.

    Perhaps we just have a semantic disagreement?

  267. Just great,

    Inhaling too much CO is lethal, CO2 is not.
    The heat of the engine in the garage has nothng to do with CAGW.

    I love this stuff.

    Harry

  268. Sherri,

    I must disappoint you, the life supporting eco-systems as we know it are not that fragile.
    They just don’t care about life or death.
    They are just there.

    Harry

  269. PS – I note that Sherri’s lack of grammatical and spelling skills is a sad product of our liberal education systems globally, and a shear lack of understanding of what actually comes out of an SUV’s exhaust is indicative of what passes for science these days

    Hartman’s Law strikes again!

    Hartman’s Law of Prescriptivist Retaliation: “any article or statement about correct grammar, punctuation, or spelling is bound to contain at least one eror”.

  270. markstoval says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    This girl has the disease of many people: they want to “save the earth”. It makes them feel like a comic book hero.

    Mencken called it “the messianic delusion.” It’s incurable–the fool’s burnt finger, moth-like, wobbling back to the flame.

  271. Bob Kutz says:
    March 22, 2012 at 3:59 pm
    At some point in the distant future, someone will make a ton of money by having saved all such correspondence and compiling it into ‘The Book of Stupid’.

    Better make it a Kindle book–a DTB (dead tree book) would break your coffee table’s back!

  272. David, UK says:
    March 22, 2012 at 4:53 pm
    Let us be reminded of the traditional non-literal definition of the word “green:” innocent, gullible, foolish, open to exploitation. Seems like a fair summation to me.

    Don’t forget greenhorn: tyro, beginner, barefoot pilgrim.

  273. [snip -OK that's over the top - Anthony]

    Skitt’s Law strikes again!

    Skitt’s Law
    Expressed as … “the likelihood of an error in a post is directly proportional to the embarrassment it will cause the poster.”

  274. the smokey air thins
    and the crowd trickles home
    open mike night comes to a close
    as the night eases towards a new day

    her allotment of 15 minutes of fame
    are rapidly expiring.

    she can comment here in the future,
    but the room will be empty.

    Goodnight Sherri-Q.
    and goodluck to you.

  275. Dear Sherrie

    You seem to be among those individuals who think first with their emotions and use facts only when and if they support their opinions. This makes you a very easy mark for a confidence man. You need to exercise the critical skills you have and verify facts upon which your emotionial agguements are based.

    First you feel posters who express disagreement with your emotional based opinions are ‘filled with venom and hatred’. While I can undrestand how you came to this opinion your doing so shows the weakness of the way you undestand the world. As I see it your ego was hurt so you decided that obviously the source of the hurt was evil. Second your baises were challenged and rather than deal with the possibility that your basies may not be correct you dismiss the challanges as evil. Your emotions lead the charge and you never had to deal with the fact that your origional letter set the tone for a negative emotional response. Instead you simple added to the negative emotional envirment (as you preceived it) without clearly taking any responsibility to determin the truth yourself. Yes, I know that would take work and may lead you to conculsions that you will find difficult to accept. But, the truth is worth the work.

    You have been made to play the fool by your unwillingness to check out facts and verify the truth. Those who hide their attempts to destroy your life behind science have completely deceived you. And you are cluelessly following their claims and being led like a lamb to the slaughter. It does not seem to matter to you that you have clearly expressed incorrect facts in support of your conclusions. I find it sad that someone who wants to save the world supports policies which will cause great harm to human happiness. In the mistaken idea they are doing good.

    What you do not understand is that we all live in the same world. Yes, there are those who want to abuse the world and they must be resisted. But, do not become an abuser in your attempt to resist abuse. Show respect to others even when they do not always deserve it. There are of course limits to this as it is not good to be a willing victom of abuse, And any person and organization which has a documented history of deceipt (such as the IPPC) cannot be trusted to suddenly start telling the truth. But, as a general rule you will get more respect if you show it when possible.

    It is a wise person who can learn from those who’s opinions vary from theirs. Become wise and grow from the wisdom of others.

    To met This site is about fighting the abuse of information espcially the use of scientific information in fradulant ways. We want accountability and honesty in the scientific debate. If you take the time to read the posts here you will discover that outragously incorrect information is being used to suport the warmest side. You should be truly outraged at the abuse of the truth and the implications of the way the warmest arguemnts are presented. They mix a little truth with stunning overstatements and misleading inferences to create the apperance of danger when there is nothing dangerous going on except their attempt to gain power over you.

    Your arguement in favor of protecting the planet is wonderful. But, perhaps you have missed the fact that your agruement is being used as an excuse to adopt policies which will cause unthinkably inhuman results. Big corporations and big government are involved in a power grab which will if fully implimented take your home and freedom and move you do a little reservation. Check out agenda 21. Your love and concern has blinded you. As long as you remain blind you will remain a tool of your own undiong.

    All the Best

    Paul A Peterson

  276. “Do you have a return address to which books on grammar and critical thinking might be forwarded? ”

    Many of the people who comment here will also need copies…

  277. Latitude says:
    March 23, 2012 at 10:57 am
    I suppose, when you don’t have a life….you can create one

    …by acting really really involved in some cause

    That’s the thesis of Hoffer’s True Believer in a nutshell.


  278. Harry Kal says:
    March 24, 2012 at 9:10 am
    “…
    Inhaling too much CO is lethal, CO2 is not.
    …”

    Just a bit of a correction if I may.

    While CO2 is not toxic as CO is, too much of it could displace oxygen and cause death by asphyxiation. I don’t know the safe ppm limits for CO2 but it is higher than 5000ppm, a level that is not unusual in submarines and other enclosed spaces.

  279. Ms. Quammen has said on another thread (now removed)

    Please remove from you page. I feel a little harrassed and am uncomfortable with all the information that you’ve allowed to be posted regardless if it is availabe on line.

    I deference to her inability to effectively participate in her own defense (she has only Internet access via cell phone) I’m closing comments here. – Anthony

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