In an interview with NewScientist magazine, Imperial College professor of atmospheric physics Joanna Haigh scoffs at the idea that late 20th century warming could have been caused by the sun:
Haigh points out that the sun actually began dimming slightly in the mid-1980s, if we take an average over its 11-year cycle, so fewer GCRs should have been deflected from Earth and more Earth-cooling clouds should have formed. “If there were some way cosmic rays could be causing global climate change, it should have started getting colder after 1985.”
What she means is that the 20th century’s persistent high level of solar activity peaked in 1985. That is the estimate developed by Mike Lockwood and Claus Fröhlich. The actual peak was later (solar cycle 22, which ended in 1996, was stronger than cycle 21 by almost every measure) but set that aside. Who could possibly think that cooling should commence when forcings are at their peak, just because the very highest peak has been passed?
Haigh’s argument against solar warming was in response to my suggestion that one new sentence in the leaked Second Order Draft of AR5 is a “game changer.” That is the sentence where the authors admit strong evidence that some substantial mechanism of solar amplification must be at work. The only solar forcing in the IPCC’s computer models is Total Solar Irradiance so if some solar forcing beyond TSI is also at work then all their model results are wrong.
No, no, no, Haigh told the NewScientist, it is “the bloggers” who have it all wrong:
They’re misunderstanding, either deliberately or otherwise, what that sentence is meant to say.
Look whose accusing people of misunderstanding. This woman thinks that warming is driven, not by the level of the temperature forcing, but by the rate of change in the level of the forcing. When a forcing goes barely past its peak (solar cycle 22 nearly identical in magnitude to cycle 21), does that really create cooling? Haigh should try it at home: put a pot of water on a full burner for a minute then turn the burner down to medium high. Does she really think the pot will stop warming, or that it will actually start to cool?
“Deliberately or otherwise,” this is an astounding misunderstanding of the very most basic physics, and Haigh is not the only consensus scientist who is making this particular “mistake.” Hers is the stock answer that pretty much every “consensus” scientists gives when asked about the solar-warming hypothesis. I have collected examples from a dozen highly regarded scientists: Lockwood, Solanki, Forster, Muscheler, Benestad, and more. Not surprisingly, it turns out that they are all making some crucial unstated assumptions.
Solar warming and ocean equilibrium
To claim that the 20th century’s high level of solar forcing would only cause warming until some particular date such as 1970, or 1980, or 1987, one must be assuming that the oceans had equilibrated by that date to the ongoing high level of forcing. That’s just the definition of equilibrium. After a step up in forcing the system will continue to warm until equilibrium is reached.
When I asked these scientists if they were making an unstated assumption that the oceans must have equilibrated by 1980 say to whatever forcing effect high 20th century solar activity was having, almost all of them answered yes, each giving their own off-the-cuff rationale for this assumption, none of which stand up to the least bit of scrutiny. Isaac Held’s two-box model of ocean equilibration is better than Mike Lockwood’s one-box model, but just move to the next simplest model, a three-box model of ocean equilibration, and any idea that longer term forcing won’t cause longer term warming collapses.
The well mixed upper ocean layer (the top 100-200 meters) does equilibrate rapidly to a change in forcing, showing a response time of less than ten years, but that isn’t the end of the story. As the top layer warms up it transfers heat to the next deeper ocean layers. If the elevated forcing persists then these next deeper layers will continue to warm on the time scale of multiple decades to multiple centuries. This warming will reduce the temperature differential between the upper and deeper layers, causing there to be less and less heat loss over time from the upper to the deeper layers, causing the upper layer to continue to warm on the time scale of multiple decades to multiple centuries.
This accords with what we actually see. Since the 50 year absence of sunspots that coincided with the bottom of the Little Ice Age, 300 years of uneven warming have coincided with an uneven rise in solar activity. Any claim that these three centuries of natural warming had to have ended by a particular 20th century date (never mind right when solar activity was at its peak), is at the very least highly speculative. To claim that we can be confident that this is what happened is borderline insane.
Or maybe it’s that other thing that Joanna Haigh insinuates about. Maybe there is an element of deliberateness to this “misunderstanding” where scads of PhD scientists all pretend that warming is driven by the rate of change of the temperature forcing, not the level of the forcing. How else to blame late 20th century warming on human activity? Some rationale has to be given for why it can’t have been caused by the high level of solar activity that was still raging. Aha, what if temperature were driven by the trend in the forcing rather than the level of the forcing? That would do it. Let’s say that one. Let’s pretend that even peak forcing will cause cooling as soon as the trend in the forcing turns down.
It’s one psycho-drama or the other: either Haigh’s insinuations about dishonesty are projection, accusing others of what she and her cohorts are actually doing, or she’s just dumber than a box of rocks.
Haigh also channels Steven Sherwood, pretending that the highlighted sentence is just about GCR-cloud
The draft report acknowledges substantial evidence for some mechanism of solar amplification and lists Henrick Svensmark’s GCR-cloud theory as an example of one possible such mechanism (7-43 of the SOD):
Many empirical relationships have been reported between GCR or cosmogenic isotope archives and some aspects of the climate system (e.g., Bond et al., 2001; Dengel et al., 2009; Ram and Stolz, 1999). The forcing from changes in total solar irradiance alone does not seem to account for these observations, implying the existence of an amplifying mechanism such as the hypothesized GCR-cloud link.
Haigh claims that the evidence about cloud formation being induced by cosmic rays points to a weak mechanism, then simply ignores the report’s admission of substantial evidence that some such mechanism must be at work:
Haigh says that if Rawls had read a bit further, he would have realised that the report goes on to largely dismiss the evidence that cosmic rays have a significant effect. “They conclude there’s very little evidence that it has any effect,” she says.
Rawls says that if Haigh had read the actual sentence itself, she would have realized that it isn’t about galactic cosmic rays, but only mentions GCR-cloud as one possible solar amplifier.
Aussie climatologist Steven Sherwood did the same thing, claiming (very prematurely) that the evidence does not support GCR-cloud as a substantial mechanism of solar amplification, then pretending away the report’s admission of clear evidence that some substantial such mechanism is at work:
He says the idea that the chapter he authored confirms a greater role for solar and other cosmic rays in global warming is “ridiculous”.
“I’m sure you could go and read those paragraphs yourself and the summary of it and see that we conclude exactly the opposite – that this cosmic ray effect that the paragraph is discussing appears to be negligible,” he told PM.
As JoNova and I blogged last weekend, this ploy inverts the scientific method, using theory (dissatisfaction with one particular theory of solar amplification) as an excuse for ignoring the evidence for some mechanism of solar amplification. Using theory to dismiss evidence is pure, definitional anti-science. Unfortunately, NewScientist gives this slick anti-scientist the last word:
“The most interesting aspect of this little event is it reveals how deeply in denial the climate deniers are,” says Steven Sherwood of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia – one of the lead authors of the chapter in question. “If they can look at a short section of a report and walk away believing it says the opposite of what it actually says, and if this spin can be uncritically echoed by very influential blogs, imagine how wildly they are misinterpreting the scientific evidence.”
Sherwood and Haigh are flat lying to the public about what a simple single sentence says, pretending the admission of strong evidence for some substantial mechanism of enhanced solar forcing was never made, then trusting sympathetic reporters and editors not to call them on it. This is why the report had to be made public. After my submitted comments showed how thoroughly the new sentence undercuts the entire report it was obvious that the consensoids who run the IPCC would take the sentence right back out, and here Sherwood and Haigh are already trying to do exactly that.
Too late, anti-scientists. Your humbug is on display for the whole world to see.

lsvalgaard says:
December 21, 2012 at 12:38 pm
“[…] I’m claiming that that is the only thing the report talks about and has in mind, as evidenced by an author of the report.”
Maybe that causes the difference in understanding the text. Some are reading it, Dr. Leif Svalgaard is listening to it and reading its mind.
lsvalgaard that’s odd, you forgot:
“such as”
Didn’t expect that from you,
Robin Kool says:
December 21, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Maybe that causes the difference in understanding the text. Some are reading it, Dr. Leif Svalgaard is listening to it and reading its mind.
Dear Robin, thank you for the kind words and for your understanding.
@ur momisuglyeco-geek 12:06am I like; a possible check , the detection of localized magnetic effects from satellite might be a way of inferring the existence of lateral ac current in the ocean.
Need accurate solar observation and adequate precision in earth sensing, mag & gravity.
When the Chinese and Indians build their space program, maybe we can beg a ride of such devices.
(yes little bit of sarc)
@ur momisugly Henry Galt 12:34pm Sir I concur. “I don’t know” are words the team members will not speak. Breath-taking arrogance, brazen authoritism and naked fear.
Oh, and Carter.. once you realise that your giants are now standing neck deep in quicksand, maybe, just maybe, you will be sensible enough to JUMP OFF… back onto solid reality.
Steven Mosher,
good to hear from you too Steven. I feel very much out of my comfort zone with respect to GCR’s, ionisation, aerosols and cloud condensation physics but think this is something I want to read up on and understand at a more fundamental level. From a geological perspective the implications of some of the ideas promoted by Shaviv and co-workers regarding the GCR flux, the faint sun paradox and timing of major cooling episodes from 2.3 billion years ago on to through the Phanerozoic are interesting.
“Until we understand why the MWP dropped away into the LIA, we cannot understand how the LIA ended. …”
did we get an answer to this ?
‘that your 1 mm/year sea level rise only amounts to a few inches per century’ you should mix imperial with metric, because you’re just confusing yourself! And you’ll remain like that!
‘cherry-pick only those facts that support their agenda’ please explain? Give examples’, all silent on that I see!
herkimer says:
December 21, 2012 at 8:00 am
Indeed. The breakover between warming and cooling is a sunspot number of 40 which equates to a F10.7 flux of 102. Better to use the flux number because it can’t be fiddled with. If this cycle continues to behave like Solar Cycle 5 then the flux number will drop away rapidly after reversal which I expect to be in May 2013.
“…The forcing from changes in total solar irradiance alone does not seem to account for these observations, implying the existence of an amplifying mechanism such as the hypothesized GCR-cloud link.”
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I’m not sure what Lief thinks the words “such as” means. You could replace them with the words “for example” and keep the same meaning. So the GCR-cloud link is given as just one example of an implied “amplifying mechanism.” Just because no other examples are listed does not mean they can be excluded. There are many examples to illustrate this point such as the following: “There are other planets in our solar system such as Mars and Jupiter.” That is not to say that Mars and Jupiter are the ONLY other planets in our solar system. Those were just given as examples. The use of “such as” leaves open other possibilities than just the ones explicitly stated in the sentence. Lief should know that and is being deliberately obtuse to say otherwise.
Carter,
That is an extremely lame response. I was not “cherry-picking”, I was simply noting what another commenter pointed out: your arithmetic is faulty.
Now, if you’d like to be taken seriously, explain for us why the recovery from the LIA has been along the same trend line, whether CO2 was low or high. There has not only been no recent acceleration of warming, but global warming has stalled. I have plenty of charts showing that fact, so if you like I can post them.
The central fact remains: CO2 has no measurable effect on global temperatures. Therefore the rise in CO2 can be completely disregarded. It is too small a forcing to matter. That is what the real world is telling us.
Who could possibly think that cooling should commence when forcings are at their peak, just because the very highest peak has been passed?
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Me! The earth’s energy balance is in equilibrium with the rate of solar energy input equal to the rate of earth infra red energy output.
Any change in forcing will affect the primary absorber, the near surface layers of the ocean immediately. And this will affect air temperatures on very short time scales.
Alec’s boiling pot analogy is a false analogy because the electric element, the energy source, is not in equilibrium with the pot of water during the initial heating phase. When dealing with pots of water and a heat source you need to deal with 2 conditions. Initial heating (non-equilibrium) and steady state/low simmer (equilibrium).
This kind of look like Alec’s wrong layman’s understanding crashing into the rocks of real everday physics.
vukcevic says:
December 21, 2012 at 1:19 pm
the ‘science is built on reasoning of an individual’; such a contrast to the daily yelling ‘spurious, spurious’ by certain Dr. .S.
lsvalgaard says:
December 21, 2012 at 1:36 pm
You might want to remind the readers that I have given ample reasons for the assessment that your correlations are spurious.
Yes, with pleasure, but none is valid:
– Shouldn’t use sunspots magnetic polarity as a proxy for the solar magnetic field polarity.
– Denying that Earth’s magnetic field has oscillations, which do exist and coincide with Hale cycle frequency, directly derived from data by Jackson and Bloxham.
– It is illegal even to think that the Earth’s magnetic field could produce in any receptor any reaction at the same time, or of the same kind as the solar magnetic field, e.g. Lorentz force on saline and ionized ocean water
– Earth’s magnetic field must not be used as proxy for the Earth’s interior dynamics, which can reach the crust and cause geological movement.
End so on and on, and on, and on …….
Plain and simple: the result I obtained
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/EarthNV.htm
closely mirrors the short and medium term ocean and land temperature oscillations.
This is absolutely contrary to your self proclaimed ‘enforcement’ role, that the ‘sun has nothing to do with it’, which it is without a doubt a wobbly crutch supporting the decrepit AGWs CO2 hypothesis.
lsvalgaard says:
December 21, 2012 at 1:48 pm
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Wrong again. In here
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LL.htm
It is in the magnetic field in the Arctic, as taken from the two world recognized geomagnetic databases.
Hers is the stock answer that pretty much every “consensus” scientists gives when asked about the solar-warming hypothesis
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Alec just can’t get his head around the idea that all those highly regarded professional scientists are right and Alec Rawls the eccentric right winger with economics training is embrassing himself and the whole of climate sceptic land.
This thing with the kettle is up there with Steve Goddard getting confused about water triple points because he couldn’t interpret a phase diagram properly. At least phase diagrams are a pretty obscure bit of knowledge and skill. Boiling kettles are not.
John West on December 21, 2012 at 7:40 am
According to the climate science view of heat transfer the hottest part of the day would always be exactly at noon and the hottest part of the year would coincide with the longest day when the daily an annual forcings peak.
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No. The climate science view is that their is a delay and the real issue is how much delay in which physical system.
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Howard Richman says
The consensus scientists are trying to refute his theory and ignore it at the same time
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Logic fail. Internal contradiction.
And by the way Alec has not come up with these ideas all by himself. He is leaching off research into ideas that climate scientists have already considered and discarded due to inconsistencies with the evidence.
Steven Mosher says:
December 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm
falsifying AGW is simple. Show that c02 is not opaque to IR.
rofl Steven, do you really believe what you say?
Water is opaque to IR,
CO2 not.
CO2 has only specific frequency bands which cover about 8% of IR .
so CAGW falsified based on your definition.
LazyTeenager says:
December 21, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Who could possibly think that cooling should commence when forcings are at their peak, just because the very highest peak has been passed?
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Me! The earth’s energy balance is in equilibrium with the rate of solar energy input equal to the rate of earth infra red energy output.
Any change in forcing will affect the primary absorber, the near surface layers of the ocean immediately. And this will affect air temperatures on very short time scales.
Lazy, read above comments & try to understand why the 21st of June is not the warmest day of the year.
Kristian says
For instance, in a theoretical steady state, with solar IN (considered static) exactly balanced by IR+latent+sensible OUT
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There is your mistake right there. Incorrect assignment of system boundaries.
If the boundary is set to top of atmosphere solar energy input must equal infrared radiation output. Here infrared is the emission from top of atmosphere across all ir wavelengths. TOA from the point of view of emission is effectively at different heights for different wavelengths.
If the boundary is just above the earths surface then IR+latent+sensible is correct but then this is a different IR flux than the one at TOA. The surface IR flux is smaller than the TOA flux.
David Archibald
Indeed. The breakover between warming and cooling is a sunspot number of 40 which equates to a F10.7 flux of 102.
The annual average sunspot number for the last 10 years is only 29.3 , so there should be no surprise why cold temperatures are starting to crop up all over Northern Hemisphere , especially inland areas like Russia, eastern Europe and Canadian Prairies . The above decadal sunspot number will get even lower as we drop from near solar max to solar minimum so there could be some even colder winters ahead . The reason I switched to using decadal based figures is that there are too many other short term climate variables if you look at monthly or yearly figures that can mask the energy of the sun like ocean cycles and other . You also need at least a decade to get a real measurable impact. For IPCC not cover this topic in full detail could make AR5 totally useless and irrelevant before it even comes out. We may not completely understand the mechanism yet but the warning should be there for the public to prepare for possible colder weather the next 2-3 decades that is quite different from the warm winters that they falsely focus on report after report .
FAO D Böehm
‘CO2 has no measurable effect’ oh yes it does! Because it blocks the heat vent into space that allows the heat to escape at the correct wavelength! As recorded by satellites or are they in on the con as well?
And Global warming and co2
And where are the references for ‘cherry-pick only those facts that support their agenda’ please explain? Give examples’,
AndyG55 says:
December 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Kev-in-Uk says:
WTF? the last time I checked, there were 1000 millimetres in a metre!
Chuckle..
I laughed as well, but this 100mm = 1m is now enshrined in legislation that I am supposed to comply with 🙁
lsvalgaard says:
“……are driven by the stochastic variations any complex system…..”
I have a hard time believing in random events when it comes to science.
Just because we can’t see or find the triggers doesn’t mean there aren’t any.
Bob Tisdale says a similar thing:
“…..ENSO has the ability to trigger itself.”
It would be more honest to say “Bugger if I know what causes it (YET).”
Unless you believe that things happen randomly and for no reason.
I am with RACookPE1978 (at 11:51 am)
Isn’t science supposed to find and explain the patterns in seemingly random natural events?
Re: Loehle temperature reconstruction
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LL.htm
Here geomagnetic field is most likely a good proxy for geological movements in the northern reaches of the mid-Atlantic ridge affecting flow of the ocean currents in the area with strong ocean- atmosphere interaction.
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/slides/large/04.18.jpg
Geological records in the area suggest close correlation to the solar activity on one side and regional temperature on the other:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SSN-NAP.htm`
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CET-NAP.htm