As you may know, I have been using Cryosphere’s Antarctic Sea Ice Area data to show the record levels of Antarctic Sea Ice.
But I just found another data set, NOAA’s Sea Ice Extent here. (thanks to commenter HaroldW at the Blackboard)
And it turns out day 265 set an all time record, and then day 266 (Sept 22nd) broke that record. Days 265 through 270 are now the 6 highest Antarctic Sea Ice Extent’s of all time (in the satellite record)!
11 of the top 15 extents are now in 2012.
Anyone wonder why NOAA isn’t making a fuss about this?
| Year | Day of Year | Ice Extent |
| 2012 | 266 | 19.45418 |
| 2012 | 268 | 19.4478 |
| 2012 | 267 | 19.44631 |
| 2012 | 270 | 19.4433 |
| 2012 | 269 | 19.41601 |
| 2012 | 265 | 19.36135 |
| 2006 | 264 | 19.35934 |
| 2012 | 257 | 19.35567 |
| 2012 | 271 | 19.35207 |
| 2006 | 267 | 19.34999 |
| 2012 | 264 | 19.34204 |
| 2012 | 259 | 19.33522 |
| 2006 | 265 | 19.3289 |
| 2006 | 268 | 19.32669 |
| 2012 | 258 | 19.31503 |
Global warming is responsible. Warmer temperatures put more water vapor in the air which then falls to the Earth as snowfall.
Let me know if anyone is foolish enough to fall for that line. I have some beach-front property in the Gobi Desert that I will sell for a very reasonable price.
just state the tons of ice in the Antarctic versus the tons of ice in the Arctic…..simples
Why not the fuss? No government funding involved with record high ice?
Lots more information from the same source here:-
http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02135_seaice_index/index.html
Check the Antarctic tab for Monthly Sea Ice Extent Anomaly Graph here:-
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/
They are waiting for the Austral summer. Then they will talk their heads off about the big melt.
Seems a rather odd coincidence that while Arctic ice is at a “record” low Antarctic ice is at a “record” high.
“Anyone wonder why NOAA isn’t making a fuss about this?”
No, we aren’t wondering. We know why, because it’s counter to the story they want to tell.
If indeed there’s a true long term trend here rather than simple random variations or shorter term cyclic events like solar wind fluctuations and such, then what meaning might be attached to the reduction in Arctic ice and the increase in Antarctic ice? Is our angle of precession (or somesuch) changing in some way so that the northern hemisphere is getting more sunlight and the southern hemisphere less?
😕
MJM
… and at this rate all of the southern hemisphere’s oceans will be solid sea ice by …
That’s as the climatists speak, just had to beat them to it this time! ☺
Quick! Someone tweet Michael Mann!
NOAA already has a range of ice-front properties on the market on the West Antarctic peninsula, as they are convinced that according to CAGW theory, Antarctica will soon be ‘the only habitable continent’. They know that by the end of the century the earth will have warmed at least 5 degrees and with only another 50 degrees, they will be in business in a big way!
Hot summers, hurricanes, excessive rainfall, snowfall, winds; it is global warming. Even Antarctica has more ice than ever, caused by man made CO2 in the atmosphere! We need to return to medieval living with no electricity, no phones, no AC, no transportation unless it has 4 legs, travels at less than 5mph and needs to have a dump every 200 yards. Rickets, pestilence and the Black Death need to be reintroduced into society ASAP to complete our miserable existence. This is the way to save our planet and to make humanity pay for our ongoing prosperity (despite Socialism and Communism’s efforts to the contrary!).
Let’s stay consistent. If we ridicule those for using the phrase “all time record” when it pertains to low levels of arctic ice, it should not be used going the other way either, even with the stated explanation of “in the satellite record”.
If this years Antarctic sea Ice extent is the record and when (not if but when) the Antarctic sea Ice extent gets lower, will this be seen as the beginning of another man made global warming trend?
If faced with two choices;
1. An interglacial period of warming.
2. An Ice age.
Which would you prefer?
Sparks says:
If faced with two choices;
1. An interglacial period of warming.
2. An Ice age.
It doesn’t matter. The climate change fanatics will be screaming about the imminent collapse of the sky either way.
They have already proven they have no shame and they won’t hesitate to terrorize the sheeple with threats of a coming ice age if it suits the team agenda. They may very well have the gonads to blame it all on CO2 as well (if it suits their agenda, which I think is rather likely).
The data simply don’t matter. The game and the gravy train must go on.
Yin and Yang eh? Go figure……
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang
michaeljmcfadden says:
September 29, 2012 at 4:53 pm
If indeed there’s a true long term trend here rather than simple random variations or shorter term cyclic events like solar wind fluctuations and such, then what meaning might be attached to the reduction in Arctic ice and the increase in Antarctic ice? Is our angle of precession (or some such) changing in some way so that the northern hemisphere is getting more sunlight and the southern hemisphere less?
No, things are not clear.
The Arctic “swings” (high sea ice extents getting larger since 2000, though still not up to the previous (1970’s average, minimum sea ice extents getting smaller in the same period); the more frequent “highs” in Antarctic sea ice extent maximums (Antarctic sea extents have regularly been over 15.5 million km^2 the past few years) and the persistence “steadiness” of DMI’s 80 north air temperatures are puzzling. At the same time that measured Arctic OCEAN waters are steady – if not declining slightly at 80 north, mid-Canada and Mid-Siberian LAND (air) temperatures are increasing – most likely due to increased CO2 causing greater plant growth, and that plant growth is “greener” , earlier, and more widespread -> all of which will decrease albedo and increase sunlight absorption. None of which are changed in the CAGW GCM model assumptions, of course.
I will not assume any cause for the above right now, but want to open it up for discussion.
Now, as to effect of those changes ….
A) In the Antarctic, at the time of maximum sea ice extents, the “edge” of the sea ice very closely approximates a “crown” around the continent between latitudes 60 south and 62 south. At those latitudes, ANY increase in Antarctic Sea Ice extents will significantly increase energy reflections from the ice, and reduce the absorption of energy from the sun into the newly covered ocean waters. The result – of ANTARCTIC sea ice maximums expanding – is increased heat loss from the earth into space, and decreased global temperatures.
B) In the Arctic, on the other hand, all of the sea ice is now concentrated in a single “Beanie” cap around the north pole. This cap can be very closely approximated as a cap extending from the pole down to latitude 80 degrees (for 4 million km^2 sea ice) or to 81 degrees for today’s 3.4 million km^2 sea ice extents.
However, at those very high latitudes, during the time of minimum sea ice extents at the equinox, more energy is lost from the exposed ocean surface by radiation into space and evaporation (both of which will begin as soon as the sea ice “insulation” is melted out) than is gained by the ocean surface absorbing sunlight. NOTE: This effect -reverse of the conventional CAGW alarmism about sea ice albedo! – is ONLY true for the far north latitudes. But, then again, those are the only latitudes where sea ice exists at the present minimum, so it is pointless and distracting and wrong to worry about any other latitudes …. FOR ARCTIC SEA ICE.
What the alarmists are not saying of course is:
Extra ice in Antarctic is much closer to the equator than the open water in the arctic so there is a net gain in reflected sunlight. So as of today, the amount of sea ice on the planet Earth is causing net cooling. There is no tipping point in the Arctic causing warming.
OK. I am totally confuzzed.Ice melts when it’s warm.And freezes when it’s cold?So my drink is?Sheesh.
This event clearly demonstrates that the “Global” warming theory is a total farce. It would be more honest to state “Regional” weather variations. But that would not be hysterical enough. The “warmist” scientists have already confessed and admitted they overstate and inflate every possible fluctuation and “modelled” variations regarding the weather, in order to promote their very own “good cause”. For the benefit of the people only, of course.
Disclaimer: No government subsidy or taxpayers funding was forthcoming for this opinion. Comment was given free of charge, without coercion or consideration of public position or personal benefit or future funding applications.
@Tom in Florida (where we really don’t give a damn about ice except in our drinks).
What?…. ice in your wine or beer………. cringe !
I have seen it done.. blasphemy !
“The all time high” and “satellite record ” comments are purely a dig at the warmists..
We ARE being consistent.. with THEIR standard, ……….. 😉
Anyone wonder why NOAA isn’t making a fuss about this?
Probably because they know that is weather noise on a barely significant trend which their own data tells them is far below the extent observed in the late 70s?
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/fig2-16.htm
Our little 2 year old girl just outsmarted us.
We have banned play dough indoors, because it gets embedded in everything – cloth sofas, carpets, you name it.
So today we discovered she was smuggling small pieces of play dough into the house, hidden inside some of her dolls house toys.
I see this as proof of the imminent danger of catastrophic global warming.
I am new here and very appreciative of the knowledge and open mindedness that is continuously displayed in the articles and comments posted. I do not have a science background so my learning curve is rather steep right now. In any event, I am trying to educate myself so I thank you in advance for putting up with my ignorance.
I posted the last WUWT article on the Antarctic sea ice record to facebook and was surprised by the rather rancorous response of one of my “friends.” Apparently, he is an ardent AGW proponent as he posted the following : “What a terribly bull$hit article this is! First, it does not even mention the reason why Antarctic ice is increasing, it just leaves the reader to assume, erroneously of course, that it is because “global warming is a hoax”. Second, it make the erroneous correlation between decline of Arctic sea ice and the angle of the Arctic sun in September, ignoring the fact (yes, fact) that Arctic sea ice continues to decline, and is continuing to decline, in September. And third, it conveniently conflates “sea ice” and “ice” in its attempt to refute the NSIDC’s assertion that ” Arctic sea ice is more significant to understanding global climate because much more Arctic ice remains through the summer months.” The reason, of course, is because there is far more Arctic sea ice that Antarctic sea ice, simply because the Arctic is a sea, and the Antarctic isn’t.”
When I asked him why he didn’t think it was unusual this wasn’t being reported he said the following:
“The reason it’s not being reported is because it is not scientifically significant. Again, the article misleads its readers by failing to report the reason why ice levels are increasing on the Antarctic continent, and deliberately confusing land-based ice and sea ice, which are formed through completely different processes. It isn’t reasonable to draw any conclusions about global warming from the increase of land-based ice in Antarctica. It IS reasonable to include Antarctic temperature anomalies in any study of global warming. It happens that Antarctic temperatures are increasing, and this may be (maybe, but not certainly) a contributive factor in the increase of continental ice.
As far as hot and cold extremes, yes: the last couple of years have seen a greater number of both hot and cold extremes occurring planet wide. This was predicted as a corollary to global warming. Despite the record-breaking cold in parts of Europe and Asia last Winter, however, January 2012 was the 19th warmest ever recorded worldwide, February was the 22nd warmest (and 2008 was cooler), March was the 16th warmest on record, and December 2011 was the 10th warmest December.
And lest we forget, despite the record breaking solar minimum that occurred in the last decade, all but one of the warmest years globally also occurred in the last decade – the outlier being 1998. The warmest year of all, 2005, occurred at the lowest point of the solar minimum.
Obviously there are other things going on besides greenhouse-induced global warming. But reporting on an increase of continental ice in Antarctica as if that somehow refutes global warming theory is just bad, bad science.”
He also later went on to say that increased snow in the Antarctic was due to the ozone hole above the pole which was caused by CFC’s. Anyhow, this is how the average global warmist is reacting to the Antarctic sea ice record. If anyone can point me to some good, foundational reading on climate science (without AGW bias),. I would be very grateful. Thanks for reading.
Gore’s cold sore.