NASA finally admits it Arctic cyclone in August ‘broke up’ and ‘wreaked havoc’ on sea ice — Reuters reports Arctic storm played ‘key role’ in this season’s sea ice reduction.
‘The cyclone remained stalled over the arctic for several days…pushing [sea ice] south to warmer waters where it melted’
Monday, September 24, 2012 – By Marc Morano – Climate Depot
In a September 18 video posted by NASA on its website, they admit that the Arctic cyclone, which began on August 1, “wreaked havoc on the Arctic sea ice cover” by “breaking up sea ice.” (NASA story here)
Global warming activists have been giddy in their hyping of the satellite era record low Arctic sea ice extent while ignoring the satellite record sea ice expansion in the Antarctic.
Many climate activists have sought to downplay the significance that the Arctic cyclone played on this year’s summer sea ice in the Arctic. But this new inconvenient video report from NASA now makes the warmists’ attempt to deny the cyclones role in 2012’s Arctic sea ice conditions — impossible.
The September 18 NASA video notes: “A powerful storm wreaked havoc on the Arctic sea ice cover in August 2012. This visualization shows the strength and direction of the winds and their impact on the ice: the red vectors represent the fastest winds, while blue vectors stand for slower winds.”
Reuters news service filed a September 21 report based on NASA’s video admission titled: “NASA says Arctic cyclone played ‘key role’ in record ice melt.” The news segment details how the Arctic sea ice was reduced due to “a powerful cyclone that scientists say ‘wreaked havoc’ on ice cover during the month of August.” (Reuters on “Arctic Cyclone” — 0:47 second long segment — Rob Muir reporting.)
Reuters – Sept. 21 – “NASA says a powerful cyclone formed off the coast of Alaska in early August and moved toward the center of the Arctic ocean, weakening the already thin sea ice as it went.
A large section North of the Chukchi Sea was cut off by the churning storm and pushed south to warmer waters where it melted.
The cyclone remained stalled over the arctic for several days…Scientists say a similar storm decades ago would have had much less impact on the sea ice because they say the ice was not as vulnerable then as it is now.”
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@Ron C. – I was actually referring to the 30-year average 1979-2008, which includes the previous record low year of 2007. Even against that more cautious standard, we have the results of the “experiences will tell us” that you suggested – not a recovery towards the long term average behavior of the system.
Ulric Lyons says:
September 26, 2012 at 2:24 am
fretslider says:
September 24, 2012 at 2:14 pm
“USS Skate (SSN-578) made submarine history on 11 August 1958 when it became the first submarine to surface at the North Pole.”
This has been hashed over here before, the USS Skate was the first submarine to surface at the North Pole on 17 March 1959. It did so by locating a region of thinner ice and using its reinforced sail to break through the ice.
Get with it Phil – http://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/11/uss-skate-ssn-578-becomes-the-first-submarine-to-surface-at-the-north-pole
David Ball says:
September 25, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Phil. says:
September 25, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Really Phil? A handfull (only 57 vessels have actually transited the NW passage) of small yachts is routine ?
The citation you gave said that there were 126 by 2006 but only 6 in one season, as your citations show as many as 17 are making the crossing each year now, most in one season.
As I said such crossings (i.e. single season) are now routine
You gave the distinct impression that it is clear sailing with no distinction between commercial and private vessels.
No in reference to the first crossing in a single season by the St Roch I said that ‘such crossings are now routine’. A dozen or more every year meets the definition of routine.
Clearly it is NOT routine, and I don’t care if your feelings are hurt. I stand by my assertion.
Clearly you have difficulty with english comprehension, your ‘assertion’ was that “If you do not provide evidence for this (without icebreakers), I am calling you a liar.” Well I have!
David Ball says:
September 25, 2012 at 5:12 pm
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/11/nw-passage-not-so-busy-after-all/
I know Phil. does not consider WUWT? a reliable source, but here you go.
That Post by Robert Phelan was certainly not a reliable source, as several posters said you don’t measure how many ships are transiting the NW Passage by counting ships doing so when it is closed by ice!
David Ball says:
September 25, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I also posit that these transits are increasing in recent times NOT due to less ice, but technological advances in vessel capability, AND an increase in the number of people attempting the journey.
Of course it’s due to less ice, very few were trying when the passage was blocked every year. Once it became clear that the ice was clearing every year and that it was possible to make the transit in a single season more yachtsmen tried to do so.
Phil. wants you to believe it is due to agw.
No I don’t believe that I ever used those words, it’s due to less ice particularly in the NW Passage. See the figure below for the ice coverage at this time of year:
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/prods/CVCHDCTWA/20120917180000_CVCHDCTWA_0006658378.gif
This year most of the ice is north of the NW Passage:
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/prods/WIS56CT/20120917180000_WIS56CT_0006658289.gif
Phil. says:
September 26, 2012 at 9:50 am
“This has been hashed over here before, the USS Skate was the first submarine to surface at the North Pole on 17 March 1959. It did so by locating a region of thinner ice and using its reinforced sail to break through the ice.”
Well that is not when that photo was taken as the Sun had not risen above the horizon at the Pole at all at that time of the year.
I gave the date, why is this ‘Phil’ trying to twist it? Oh I know…. doesn’t suit his script.
Ulric Lyons says:
September 26, 2012 at 10:39 am
Phil. says:
September 26, 2012 at 9:50 am
“This has been hashed over here before, the USS Skate was the first submarine to surface at the North Pole on 17 March 1959. It did so by locating a region of thinner ice and using its reinforced sail to break through the ice.”
Well that is not when that photo was taken as the Sun had not risen above the horizon at the Pole at all at that time of the year.
In which case the photo you are referring to was not taken at the time of the first surfacing at the Pole but at another time and place. At the first event in March 1959 it was dark and the crew held flares to light the scene as they scattered the ashes of Sir Hubert Wilkins at the Pole. There are multiple photos of the Skate surfaced in the Arctic, the only ones which can be reliably attributed to the first polar surfacing include the service for Wilkins.
http://library.osu.edu/projects/under-the-north-pole/images/wilkins35_5_4.jpg
For crying out loud….
1958 Newsreel: USS Skate, Nuclear Sub, Is First to Surface at North Pole – https://archives.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/browse/?cuecard=41751
For the record….
1958 Newsreel: USS Skate, Nuclear Sub, Is First to Surface at North Pole
Source: NBC News
Creator: Ed Herlihy
Event Date: 07/30/1958
Air/Publish Date: 07/30/1958
Resource Type: Video Newsreel
Copyright: n/a
Copyright Date: 1959
Friends:
Silver Ralph says at September 25, 2012 at 9:28 am:
Yes! Precisely so.
None of the predictions of climate alarmists have come to pass; none, not any, not one of them.
The nearest thing they have is that the AGW-hypothesis predicts polar temperatures would rise most and fastest in response to increased atmospheric GHG concentrations and Arctic ice loss could be claimed to be an indication of that prediction being right. BUT this claim would only be true if Antarctic ice were also declining, and it is not. Furthermore, Arctic and Antarctic temperatures have not demonstrated the predicted enhanced warming and rates of warming.
So, the alarmists shout about Arctic ice as a smokescreen to hide the fact that polar ice is not declining (because Antarctic ice is increasing) and polar temperatures are not rising rapidly in accordance with the predictions.
There really is nothing to see here (except local weather).
Richard
Jan P Perlwitz:
At September 26, 2012 at 7:41 am you write:
You have had that stupidity refuted on WUWT before. I will refute it again in case there are any onlookers who may be misled by it.
Warming consists of an increase in temperature.
Cooling consists of a decrease in temperature.
If there has been no increase in global temperature over the last 12 years (or the last year, or last week, or since last Tuesday) then there is no global warming over the stated period. Whatever your delusions tell you does not change that fact. And reasons for that fact can be debated, but those reasons don’t change it, either.
Richard
fretslider says:
September 26, 2012 at 12:38 pm
For crying out loud….
1958 Newsreel: USS Skate, Nuclear Sub, Is First to Surface at North Pole – https://archives.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/browse/?cuecard=41751
The date on your video is incorrect, it should be 1959 not 58. Several pieces of evidence prove this: firstly 16 secs in the commentator refers to ‘last summer’s voyages under the ice by Skate and Nautilus’, it’s well documented that those voyages took place in 1958 so the movie must have been made after 1958! Secondly they refer to the service for Wilkins at the Pole on the occasion of the first surfacing there on the current mission, since Wilkins died in Nov 1958 the movie can’t have been made on the date you claim! Most likely it was made 7/30/1959.
Phil
Who’s the denier now!!!
The NBC newsreel was 30/07//1958 (UK date format)
When you’re in a hole, mate, best stop digging.
fretslider says:
September 26, 2012 at 11:41 am
I gave the date, why is this ‘Phil’ trying to twist it? Oh I know…. doesn’t suit his script.
In the interests of accuracy, I believe the account made by the commander of the Skate, James Calvert, who states that the first surfacing at the Pole was through ice on 17th March 1959. Your date is wrong, not least because it would mean scattering the ashes of a man 6 months before he died!
“Your date is wrong,”
Tell it to NBC, Phil!
Phil. says:
September 26, 2012 at 10:23 am
All the boats that Phil. listed are keel-less. Why would that be Phil.?
@Phil. at 11:42 am
Whether or not the Skate surfaced exactly at the pole or not in the summer of 1958 is immaterial to the point that there was more open water and ice melt that summer due to a strong negative NAO. While John Daly suggested, from looking at trends in ice loss rather than individual seasons, that a positive NAO was responsible.
FWIW this article says the Aug 11 1958 surfacing was “near” the pole:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/us/16calvert.html?_r=0
You could buy the book for $3: http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Surface-Pole-Extraordinary-Voyages-USS-Skate-James-F-Calvert-1996-Paperback-/1083148
Phil. says: September 26, 2012 at 11:42 am
Ulric Lyons says:September 26, 2012 at 10:39 am
Phil. says:September 26, 2012 at 9:50 am
“This has been hashed over here before, the USS Skate was the first submarine to surface at the North Pole on 17 March 1959. It did so by locating a region of thinner ice and using its reinforced sail to break through the ice.”
Well that is not when that photo was taken as the Sun had not risen above the horizon at the Pole at all at that time of the year.
In which case the photo you are referring to was not taken at the time of the first surfacing at the Pole but at another time and place.
I can’t recall the term at the moment, but celestial objects do appear when they are as much as ten degrees below the horizon. The apparent diameter of the sun is about .5° of arc. The declination change on the ecliptic from March 17th to the 21st is tiny. I could be wrong, but would guess that it would be full light if not direct sun by March 17.
fretslider says:
September 27, 2012 at 12:02 am
Phil
Who’s the denier now!!!
Isn’t this word banned here?
The NBC newsreel was 30/07//1958 (UK date format)
When you’re in a hole, mate, best stop digging.
Good advice, you should take it! By claiming that that date is correct you’re asserting that Sir Hubert Wilkins’ memorial service took place before he died! (30 Nov 1958)
And yes I will tell NBC that they have made a mistake.
Phil states: “By claiming that that date is correct you’re asserting that Sir Hubert Wilkins’ memorial service took place before he died!”
There are two mentions of ashes here and both were by, er, Phil.
I never claimed anything of the sort. I only mentioned the date the Skate surfaced first at the pole. Do feel free to prove me wrong, though.
David Ball says:
September 26, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Phil. says:
September 26, 2012 at 10:23 am
All the boats that Phil. listed are keel-less. Why would that be Phil.?
Were that true it would just mean that a shallow draft is a good choice for sailing in the shallow waters of the NW Passage. Of course it isn’t true, for example:
http://www.fleuraustrale.com/plan-of-the-boat.html
Steve Keohane says:
September 27, 2012 at 8:13 am
Phil. says: September 26, 2012 at 11:42 am
Ulric Lyons says:September 26, 2012 at 10:39 am
Phil. says:September 26, 2012 at 9:50 am
“This has been hashed over here before, the USS Skate was the first submarine to surface at the North Pole on 17 March 1959. It did so by locating a region of thinner ice and using its reinforced sail to break through the ice.”
Well that is not when that photo was taken as the Sun had not risen above the horizon at the Pole at all at that time of the year.
In which case the photo you are referring to was not taken at the time of the first surfacing at the Pole but at another time and place.
I can’t recall the term at the moment, but celestial objects do appear when they are as much as ten degrees below the horizon. The apparent diameter of the sun is about .5° of arc. The declination change on the ecliptic from March 17th to the 21st is tiny. I could be wrong, but would guess that it would be full light if not direct sun by March 17.
Well the commander of the Skate described the conditions as follows:
“It was almost dark, the sky was heavily overcast, and the 25kt wind was blowing the snow so heavily that visibility was cut down to 500 yards.”
“For illumination two sailors were holding railroad flares whose red light cast an eerie glow over the ice,”
Ulric Lyons says:
September 27, 2012 at 4:02 am
@Phil. at 11:42 am
Whether or not the Skate surfaced exactly at the pole or not in the summer of 1958 is immaterial to the point that there was more open water and ice melt that summer due to a strong negative NAO. While John Daly suggested, from looking at trends in ice loss rather than individual seasons, that a positive NAO was responsible.
More water and ice melt compared to when?
So you’re claiming that there was more open water due to a strong negative NAO whereas Daly says that it should be due to a positive NAO. Which is it or are you trying to have your cake and eat it?
Steve Keohane says:
September 27, 2012 at 8:13 am
“I could be wrong, but would guess that it would be full light if not direct sun by March 17.”
The photo of Wilkins funeral where they used flares for illumination suggests otherwise:
http://library.osu.edu/projects/under-the-north-pole/images/wilkins35_5_4.jpg
The Sun was about 1deg 40min below the horizon so it would have been twilight.
Phil says at 9:51 am:
“So you’re claiming that there was more open water [and ice melt] due to a strong negative NAO..”
Exactly.
fretslider says:
September 27, 2012 at 10:56 am
Phil states: “By claiming that that date is correct you’re asserting that Sir Hubert Wilkins’ memorial service took place before he died!”
There are two mentions of ashes here and both were by, er, Phil.
I never claimed anything of the sort. I only mentioned the date the Skate surfaced first at the pole. Do feel free to prove me wrong, though.
So you didn’t watch the video you linked to? The reference to the scattering of the ashes is in that video which is dated 5 months before Hubert died! So by claiming that the date of the video is 7/30/1958 that’s what you’re claiming. Consider yourself proved wrong.
I watched the preview. The important part is the date and the fact that NBC had access to DoD footage. Perhaps you are calling NBC News and Ed Herlihy liars, are you?
You haven’t yet refuted the NYT either. I’m sure you have an excellent conspiratorial (lol) explanation for that one.
From the NYTimes…
“At 9:47 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time on Aug. 11, 1958, the 265-foot-long Skate — the third nuclear-powered submarine in the American fleet — poked through a break in the ice near the North Pole. Soon after, Admiral Calvert, then a commander, radioed the news to headquarters in New London, Conn. Seven months after its first voyage to the pole, the Skate sailed there again. In that 12-day, 3,090-mile voyage, it surfaced 10 times. This time the stop at the pole took on a sentimental character. On March 17, 1959, as the Skate floated between ice drifts, crew members fulfilled a wish of Sir Hubert Wilkins, a polar explorer in the early 20th century, who had died three months before. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/us/16calvert.html?_r=0
NBC and the NYT obviously forgot to participate in the revision of the date!
Now I’ve mentioned ashes….
Ulric Lyons says:
September 27, 2012 at 10:54 am
Phil says at 9:51 am:
“So you’re claiming that there was more open water [and ice melt] due to a strong negative NAO..”
Exactly.
So you disagree with Daly?
What about the answer to my other question, more open water than when?
Phil. says:
September 27, 2012 at 12:00 pm
“So you disagree with Daly?”
I made that clear in the first instance, I’m just going by what I see in the data, it’s called progress.
Take for example 2006, it had low ice extent in Mar/Apr, but September had plenty, the complete opposite of Mar/Apr and Sept 2012: http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent_L.png
The state of the NAO in those months explains all:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/norm.nao.monthly.b5001.current.ascii.table
“..more open water than when?”
Summers with +NAO of course.
Well Fretslider I watched all of the movie and the important part is that they mention Wilkins’ memorial service which as I’ve tried to tell you means that the date can’t be right! I’m not calling NBC liars just that they’ve made a typo.
It’s apretty blatant error according to what you say, Phil, but the NYT isn’t.
Ulric Lyons says:
September 27, 2012 at 3:48 pm
I should have included the AO in that:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/monthly.ao.index.b50.current.ascii.table