Tom Nelson reports on some disturbed thinking – From an epic rant by warmist David Appell:
“Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes? I think so”
Quark Soup by David Appell: The CharlesH Problem
But CharlesH, this idiot, this — I’m sorry — this fucking idiot who sits home and probably watches America’s [sic] Idol in the evening, who has probably never read a science paper in his life, really, truly, somehow honestly thinks he knows better than all the professional, study-deep-into-the-night, sweat-the-data, devote-their-lives scientists about all this.
What can you possibly say about such a person? This person — CharlesH — now threatens civilization.
Think about that — ignorance from Tea Party types in rural Utah threatens the well-being of the entire human race.
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I don’t know. Donald Brown, the philosopher at Penn State who has been writing about the ethics of climate change for well over a decade — I interviewed him in the early 2000s — thinks they are perhaps guilty of crimes against humanity.
Are they? Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes?
I think so. You can simply claim that CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas.
I think they’re crimes will be obvious in about a decade.
When I profiled Michael Mann for Scientific American, he said he thought it would eventually be illegal to deny climate change. I had doubts about that, but maybe.
…It’s obvious (barely) they’re not smart enough to be so evil…
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None of them has much of a science background, if any. I mean, please.
And CharlesH, who clearly knows no science either.
But on the shoulders of these idiots, fools, and incoherent minds our future seems to turn, if only just a bit, if only in the blogosphere. And they are probably proud of this, somehow.
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But them, still, I think: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. 5 molecules per 10,000 trap more heat than 4 per 10,000, or even three.
On that small divide, our future lies. One molecule out of 10,000.
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I’ll be flying home tomorrow…
I just hope I can get my WiFi to work again. It always seems like a crapshoot, and frankly, I don’t even know if I remember the password.
Apparently Mr. Appell doesn’t note that I’ve stated that CO2 is a greenhouse gas on national television and said it has an effect.
There’s also a transcript here
I think the real crime Mr. Appell thinks I’m guilty of is existing, having an opinion, and daring to write about it.
If anyone is a neighbor of David Appell, this might be fun:
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One doesn’t need to violate “Godwin’s Law” to understand what these anti-freedom bozos are all about…. just read “The Gulag Archipelago” (a little light reading about what people who want to outlaw “thought crime” can do).
“When I profiled Michael Mann for Scientific American, he said he thought it would eventually be illegal to deny climate change. I had doubts about that, but maybe.”
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Wow. Does anyone know if Mann really said that?
Does he know what county he lives in?
Does this university professor know anything about rights of the individual the government of this nation was formed to protect? (I know it’s not doing a very good job of it. Perhaps students being taught by people like this has something to do with that.)
I think the good Dr. Mann was born to late. He would have been much happier during the Inquisition.
i must say these are some interesting people. I followed Donald Brown to see what he has written. Honestly I tired of it a bit after reading an entry on a group blog…and the entry was from yet another philosophy professor having been submitted by Prof Brown:
sorry for the long post, and long excerpt…but here you go:
http://rockblogs.psu.edu/rockethics/
Disinformation, Social Stability and Moral Outrage
We must bring to light the corrupting influences. We must compel the media to make clear that there is only as much debate about the science behind climate change as there is debate about the science behind the existence of the dinosaurs (for while in both cases we may doubt the details, there is little doubt about the overall picture). We must compel our political agents to make clear, in the starkest moral terms, why they are making, or failing to make, the decisions they make. This should motivate a movement at least as ferocious as the Occupy Wallstreet movement. The Occupy Wallstreet movement was focused on the very real and morally potent concern that our economy is shifting us toward a society not in line with the basic moral principles on which our nation was founded and on which our hopes and expectations are based. To some extent that economy is reversible. The concern that motivates moral outrage at inaction and obstruction regarding climate change should be focused on the very conditions that make possible a stable society for us, and for our children. Our influence on these background conditions is not so reversible, at least on time scales that matter to our children. For the sake of our children, and for the sake of our own moral decency, this disinformation campaign should inspire moral outrage.
anthony, the lewandowsky/cook paper u mentioned in the thread:
5 Sept: Stephan Lewandowsky’s slow motion Psychological Science train wreck
It as been discovered that Cook is a co-author with Levandowsky on a similar paper:
Lewandowsky, S., Ecker, U. K. H., Seifert, C., Schwarz, N. & Cook, J. (in press). Misinformation and its correction: Continued influence and successful debiasing. Psychological Science in the Public Interest…
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/05/stephan-lewandowskys-slow-motion-social-science-train-wreck/
has now been published by Sage:
Misinformation and Its Correction
Continued Influence and Successful Debiasing
Psychological Science in the Public Interest December 2012 vol. 13 no. 3
http://psi.sagepub.com/content/13/3/106.full?ijkey=FNCpLYuivUOHE&keytype=ref&siteid=sppsi
and is already reported on here:
19 Sept: Health Canal: Misinformation: why it sticks and how to fix it
http://www.healthcanal.com/cancers/32346-Misinformation-why-sticks-and-how-fix.html
20 Sept Washington: NewstrackIndia: ANI: Why misinformation sticks
http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2012/09/20/237-Why-misinformation-sticks-.html
Anthony,
I just wanted to thank you again for everything you’re doing for us.
Michael.
Thanks David Appell, for your comic relief. It is much appreciated. Please know that every time your rants reach a level of being noticed that I find them quite uplifting. To realize that there are people that actually think like you confirms that my position as a skeptic is grounded in reality.
Who is David Appell? Is he just another blogger or journalist? Apparently, in an excited burst of word-smithing, the poor fool said, ” he knows better than all the professional, study-deep-into-the-night, sweat-the-data, devote-their-lives scientists about all this.”
The problem with experts and professionals is that studies have shown expert opinion to be unreliable, and a professional is simply someone who makes money at a job, not necessarily being good at that profession. Money is the key, here. Nothing more.
“When I profiled Michael Mann for Scientific American, he said he thought it would eventually be illegal to deny climate change.”
AHA!!! NO ONE EXPECTS THE CLIMATE INQUISITION!!!!! (H/T Michael Palin)
bikermailman says:
I know the usual thing about Godwin’s Law, and I’m not going to say anything overt.
“Godwin’s law” is assinine. It is a logical fallacy. Worse, it denies the need to balance the refusal to trivialize against admonition to never forget. When people start talking about criminalizing dissenting opinion, that spade needs to be identified as such. The next totalitarian political movement, whatever that may be, does not deserve a free pass from people trained to reflexively deny that anything could ever be that bad again.
It’s not like the ideas were so different in character at the first Earth Day. The only real change is the angry, idealistic kids who wanted most people gone so they could live in tents and grow their own food are now politicians, bureaucrats and scientists – who are still angry and idealistic.
And I don’t use “idealistic” in a positive sense here.
Anthony, Be encouraged and KNOW… “they” actually listen to you! Understanding, however, may take some patience, which remains a steadfast virtue.
At least these climate commies have stretched their catastrophic 5-year plans out to 10 years.
Drama queen.
I couldn’t help but wonder. Who is this CharlesH who has gotten under Appell’s skin big time? I think this may be the thread that got Appell so worked up:
http://davidappell.blogspot.ca/2012/09/an-idea-unique-to-climate-change.html
Long story short, Appell got spanked. I don’t know if CharlesH reads this blog, but my hat is off to him. I gave up debating the alarmists on their home turf long ago. The only thing that shocks me is that his comments don’t seem to have been snipped or disappeared. In fact, he’s entered the debate on the very thread in which Appell identified him as a problem.
Wow CharlesH! No way could I keep my cool in the face of that much invective and still make one good point about the science after another. I burst out laughing when you called him on the Bangladesh elevation issue. Priceless!
“But them, still, I think: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. 5 molecules per 10,000 trap more heat than 4 per 10,000, or even three.
On that small divide, our future lies. One molecule out of 10,000.”
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We’re doomed. Where I work we currently have over 350,000 lbs of liquid CO2 on hand. That’s more than 3,000,000 cubic feet of CO2 gas. That’s a big bunch of molecules. We’ve already released more than 1 molecule today. I think we put the globe past the tipping point. Sorry. 8-(
(Then again, maybe only Appell has gone past the tipping point.)
@David Appell, Your WiFi Username and Password can be found on a sticker under your router, press and hold in the reset button to restore the default Username and password. I hope this helps.
Come between true believers and their mission to save the planet from humanity and humanity from themselves and rage filled hatred is what you get. Its quite a normal reaction from a person who has been infected by the age old illness that has dogged us from the first mud huts to today. Believe and trust and obey and we will take you to the promised land/save you from yourselves/guide you to heaven on earth/lead you into the desert of hardships to find the promised land/etc etc.
He truly believes he can save the world, he has the answers to save humanity if only we would all listen to the holy scriptures, put aside any scepticism and just believe. In his mind the stakes are high and the aim is noble, he truly believes he can save us if only we would put aside doubts and obey the sacred theology.
Saving the planet is a very important mission, nothing and no one can be allowed to stand in the way, those who do are effectively destroying humanity and murdering the planet in the mind of the believer at least. As the fabricated cover of science is stripped away we start to see the real face of the CAGW cult beneath, its nothing new folks. There have been such cults of belief and they have been very busy over the millennia.
If only others would believe and listen and obey and put aside such things as doubts and scepticism and independent rational thought, the group does not like individuals, the group cannot tolerate those who cast doubt on the theology, the group consensus must not be polluted with facts and evidence that contradicts that consensus, the stakes are far too high to introduce doubt, this causes hesitation and hesitation is the brake on immediate action. For thousands of years the war against sceptics and doubters and unbelievers has raged, different theology same methods.
Appell’s understanding of climate science appears to be exceeded by his grasp of English!
Recently I bought the Stargate SG-1 box, as I got tired of episodes being showed in the wrong order on Swedish television.
A very interesting SciFi TV series based on different religions and social systems. Initially and primarily covering the Egyptian and further on many other well-known including Maya, Norse, Greek, Roman, Zen and Buddism. It also covers the more modern “ideologies” like National Socialism, Communism and even in some episodes they make use of the AGW religion …
Recommended viewing!
Said without a twinge of guilt.
UNFCCC wants ‘immunity’ from prosecution prior to Rio+20
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/12/unfccc-wants-immunity-from-prosecution-prior-to-rio20/
For the record I know that Co2 is a greenhouse gas.
this sounds like fun!!!
21 Sept: SMH: Peter Spinks: Climate change: the inside story
To discuss these and related matters, the Royal Society of Victoria is hosting a climate change symposium that opened last night in Melbourne with a free public lecture entitled “Addressing the myths of climate change”…
“The symposium aims to provide a forum where experts can engage with the community about issues without the need for overly technical language or political hype,” says co-organiser Associate Professor Gleadow…
NASA satellite measurements show that coastal regions of the East Antarctic ice sheet, including long stretches of the Australian Antarctic Territory, have been losing about 57 billion tonnes of ice each year for the past three years. The complete loss of the sheet, the world’s biggest expanse of frozen water, would raise sea levels by roughly 50 metres, polar scientists believe.
The West Antarctic ice sheet, in particular, is losing about 132 billion tonnes of ice a year. Global ice losses now contribute an estimated 1.8 millimetres a year to rises in sea level.
Such calculations have given rise to reports suggesting that more than 250,000 homes in Australia could be damaged or lost due to storm surge and sea level rise in coming decades.
Claims that up to 45,000 homes in Victoria alone – worth more than $10 billion – would be threatened by rising sea levels by 2100, were followed by two CSIRO reports that suggest sea levels during storms are likely to be about 15 centimetres higher in 2030 than today.
Another report will consider four sea-level scenarios by 2100, including two based on rises of 80 centimetres, one of 110 centimetres and one of 140 centimetres. Victorian planning regulations currently forecast a rise in sea level of 80centimetres by the end of the century…
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/climate-change-the-inside-story-20120921-26ahf.html
How fortunate we are in these times to have the internet, with all of mankind so blatantly on display.
There is nothing new to see.
The way my neighborhood is changing, it might be more fun to label my WiFi: Immigration Surveillance van.
Anyone who claims to be a serious scientist but can’t figure out WiFi should not be taken seriously.
The Global Warming Industry pays big dividends to huge numbers of people.
They live off these dividends, so whenever anyone demonstrates:
1. There is little, or no need, for the Global Warming Industry and therefore it no longer needs feeding with grants and government largesse, and/or
2. The Global Warming Industry is increasingly damaging the world economy by diverting funds from more worthy causes, such as subsidies on expensive, unreliable, ‘renewable energy’ instead of infrastructure or public health, then:
The dividend receivers of the Global Warming Industry become alarmed – maybe less dividends in the fututre? Maybe one day, no more dividends?
Hence the hate and hysteria.
At the end of the day, it does not really matter whether the Global Warming/CAGW movement is best described as a cult or an industry. Either way, the many gullible are asked/made to pay to support the lifestyles of a relative few. And the benefit to the ‘many gullible’: Absolutely nothing.
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