Tom Nelson reports on some disturbed thinking – From an epic rant by warmist David Appell:
“Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes? I think so”
Quark Soup by David Appell: The CharlesH Problem
But CharlesH, this idiot, this — I’m sorry — this fucking idiot who sits home and probably watches America’s [sic] Idol in the evening, who has probably never read a science paper in his life, really, truly, somehow honestly thinks he knows better than all the professional, study-deep-into-the-night, sweat-the-data, devote-their-lives scientists about all this.
What can you possibly say about such a person? This person — CharlesH — now threatens civilization.
Think about that — ignorance from Tea Party types in rural Utah threatens the well-being of the entire human race.
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I don’t know. Donald Brown, the philosopher at Penn State who has been writing about the ethics of climate change for well over a decade — I interviewed him in the early 2000s — thinks they are perhaps guilty of crimes against humanity.
Are they? Are Anthony Watts and Marc Morano and Tom Nelson and Steve Goddard smart enough to be guilty of climate crimes?
I think so. You can simply claim that CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas.
I think they’re crimes will be obvious in about a decade.
When I profiled Michael Mann for Scientific American, he said he thought it would eventually be illegal to deny climate change. I had doubts about that, but maybe.
…It’s obvious (barely) they’re not smart enough to be so evil…
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None of them has much of a science background, if any. I mean, please.
And CharlesH, who clearly knows no science either.
But on the shoulders of these idiots, fools, and incoherent minds our future seems to turn, if only just a bit, if only in the blogosphere. And they are probably proud of this, somehow.
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But them, still, I think: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. 5 molecules per 10,000 trap more heat than 4 per 10,000, or even three.
On that small divide, our future lies. One molecule out of 10,000.
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I’ll be flying home tomorrow…
I just hope I can get my WiFi to work again. It always seems like a crapshoot, and frankly, I don’t even know if I remember the password.
Apparently Mr. Appell doesn’t note that I’ve stated that CO2 is a greenhouse gas on national television and said it has an effect.
There’s also a transcript here
I think the real crime Mr. Appell thinks I’m guilty of is existing, having an opinion, and daring to write about it.
If anyone is a neighbor of David Appell, this might be fun:
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Let’s just put this in perspective folks.
David is at the more moderate part of the warmist spectrum.
Some of them are seriously deranged!
We only need to FINALLY (after 20 + years of of IPCC AR teams manipulating what science is assessed and included) open the scientific debate on the correctness of all publically funded research by being totally transparent with every detail; all pubically funded research means to include research that is fundamentally critical of alarming AGW research. We need to do that in public and in uncensored forums, not in the secret forums of the IPCC AR5 team members nor in the closed (to their own members) leadership committees of science institutes and societies.
I am proposing the real scientific process, not the biased myopically corrupted process of those ideology informed alarmist researchers who are embraced by the core of activist leadership in the IPCC.
John
ursus augustus says (September 20, 2012 at 5:11 pm): “Appell’s drivel sounded a lot like that stuff that came out of the mouth of the Iraqi propaganda twerp as the American troops entered Baghdad”
“Baghdad Bob”, the patron saint of CAGW alarmists:
“Oh but its hard to be humble when your perfect in every way!” (thanks for this wonderful quote Mac Davis) the remainder of my thought would not make it past the moderator.
Twenty years ago “We had little time.” Now:
I think they’re (sic) crimes will be obvious in about a decade.
When the predictions by these people fail over and over do they admit that they are wrong? No. Like all end-of-days types they just move the goal posts into the future.
No amount of evidence to the contrary will dissuade them from their beliefs. After all it’s their religion. The best thing to do to them is to make them irrelevant so they can be ignored.
LOL … Forgive me in advance but Appell’s rant reminded me of something: “opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one, and some stink more than others.”
“Think about that — ignorance from Tea Party types in rural Utah threatens the well-being of the entire human race.”
I will have such revenges on you ….,
That all the world shall–I will do such things,–
What they are, yet I know not: but they shall be
The terrors of the earth. BWAH-HA-HA-HA
King Lear
What’s a “climate crime” and who gets to decide?
“On that small divide, our future lies. One molecule out of 10,000.”
I have that molecule in a sealed Mason jar on the shelf. Don’t cross me.
Bill Illis says:
September 20, 2012 at 4:45 pm
So far, the climate model forecasts are off by quite a bit (on “everything” that is except for perhaps the Arctic sea ice).
The models originally predicted polar amplification. As there is no evidence of polar amplification in Antarctic sea ice, that prediction has failed, irrespective of what has happened in the Arctic.
No amount of evidence proves a theory, but one piece of evidence falsifies it.
Have you read any of the comments to Appel’s rant? He gets by no means an easy ride.
In Germany it is illegal to deny the Holocaust. Now we see more evidence that the use of denier is deliberately to make comparisons to Holocaust deniers.
Just wanted to send a big shout out to my friend David Appell. How ya doin’ buddy? Life got you down? Human life, I mean. This would be a great planet to live on if it wasn’t for all these people, eh? It must be hard carrying enough hatred for all humanity.
Climate crime? George Orwell was an optimist.
“honestly thinks he knows better than all the professional, study-deep-into-the-night, sweat-the-data, devote-their-lives scientists about all this.”
Would that study include time spent in jail after being arrested at various environmental protests, a la Hansen? Or is that simply considered healthy fun?
cui bono says:
September 20, 2012 at 4:42 pm
“When I profiled Michael Mann for Scientific American, he said he thought it would eventually be illegal to deny climate change.”
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Which is weird to the extreme, since his hockey stick denies climate change for about 700 years.
Anthony, don’t bend to Mr. Appell’s accusations. It makes him feel big to pick on other people. ‘Papa Zu’ comment at Appell’s blog was right on the spot.
Let’s face it, a psychoanalysis of David’s state of mind, portrayed strictly by his words spoken publically to the world on his blog, would be quite interesting (but I do feel rather sad for this guy, his cheese has definitely slide off his cracker, I think led by this AGW ‘religion’ that we see every day). Isn’t it amazing what ~0.4°C of actual temperature rise over a century can do to a man, it’s almost as if he and his preachers equate co2 to the ring of power in Tolkien’s trilogy.
It anything, most of blame of the crime against David’s mind lies in the laps of IPCC, NOAA, GISS, Hadley CRU for not removing, or clearly stating the need to remove, that ~0.7-1.0°C of the apparent global temperature rise in the last century being clearly an Urban Heat Island trend error, making this seem as a much scarier scenario to humanity than is actually present. Yes, this lies in their laps, not in the laps of the many skeptical scientists who have ended up correct all along. Thanks Papa Zu, the rest of blame, David can bear himself.
CO2 is not the problem, many climate ‘scientists’ and their holy ‘consensus’ are. They may have letters behind their names but many of them are not scientists to me.
Um, I’m missing something here. If one more molecule of carbon dioxide is the tipping point, isn’t the fact that David is getting on an airplane tomorrow making him the criminal that is creating that molecule? Just saying.
Maybe a bit off topic, but PBS does penance for Anthony’s appearance:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/science/july-dec12/icemelt_09-20.html
Suarez “interviews” Meier on 2012 Arctic sea ice low.
Attn all people accusing people like us against Crimes, I ACCUSE YOU, BASED ON THE FACTS
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/1-s2-0-s0921818112001658-gr11.jpg
You are the ones destroying freedom and shackling society, not us
“But them, still, I think: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. 5 molecules per 10,000 *TRAP* more heat than 4 per 10,000, or even three.”
FAIL!
John F. Hultquist says:
September 20, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Bless his little heart!
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Best comment of this thread! Thanks for putting things in their proper perspective.
The nuts always fly loose
Just before the wheels fall off
Eugene WR Gallun
Well.
The molecule CO2 is rightly a constituent of the Earth’s atmosphere, many places in the solar system and interstellar regions many million light years hence.
‘Greenhouse gas’ is an interpretation … from some very badly written literature … starting from the mid-1800’s .. in particular those of Arrhenius.
A very sad and inconvenient truth rears its gnarled and ugly head.
Yet, the ‘Believers’ believe and beyond simple reason and way beyond any principle of logic or even common Law.
What a Circus, these ‘Believers’, each a talking and walking Piltdown Man … in the flesh … and
ready for a put down … by a 308.
8D
Climate crime? Robbery using a “heater?”