Here’s the QOTW, a comment left on a YouTube video:
Very well done. Except, unfortunately, history will show that climate denialists are worse than nazis.
What prompted that? This:
I suppose it was only a matter of time before the Hitler video was used on me. It can be used to parody just about anything. The best part is that it provides a window into the mindset of the creator, Jenkin Brown, plus the people that are doing the piling on in comments like the one above.
Gosh. All this denigration because I have an opinion and dare to write about it with citations. Yes, surely that’s just as bad (or worse as the commenter says) as putting millions of innocent people in gas chambers or shooting them in mass trenches. The comparison made by the commenter is so absurd that it overshadows the satire. It’s laughable.
I suppose we can thank Ellen Goodman for popularizing this connection:
I would like to say we’re at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let’s just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future. – Ellen Goodman, Boston Globe, February 9, 2007 “No change in political climate”
Obviously, since I posted it here, I don’t mind the satirical video, because it still isn’t as bad as the time I was labeled as having sex with farm animals (scroll down to bottom) for asking for a factual correction to an article.
I’ve been insulted by professionals, this is just an amateur effort. 😉
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Congrats to SMC September 2, 2012 at 11:49 am: Good catch, and par for the course: “No Pressure”
Just in case you have not seen “No Pressure” by the 10:10 organization, a surviving copy is linked below. It is vile, but in keeping with the Environmental Movement. “Green” turns Totalitarian.
From: http://joannenova.com.au/2010/10/sick-green-psycho-stars-want-to-kill-your-children/
And in opposition: http://joannenova.com.au/2010/10/another-1010-parody/
Sorry for the second clip: not available.
Doug Proctor:
re your comment at September 3, 2012 at 10:20 am
Hear! Hear!
Richard
marchesarosa, the bit about the elves was the only funny part.
P Wilson says:
September 3, 2012 at 7:39 am
Agreed with:
Paul Coppin:
September 3, 2012 at 4:39 am
However, i would replace the word “lyricism” with rhetoric. Rhetoric aims to persuade than to inform
Lyricism was chosen intentionally, as in listening to the tuine in their own heads. Rhetoric implies an understanding to some degree of the language being used. Liberals manifestly do not understand the words; they only like the sound it makes coming out of their mouths….Witness Barack Obama and TOTUS. If he understood his own message, and understood the words, he wouldn’t need it, but like any actor, he’s mouthing somebody else’s thoughts, framing the lyric to suit his own ear.
(For Europeans and Brits who didn’t get the early days of TOTUS, it stands for Teleprompter of the United States. Without it, the current president has no idea what the next note of the song is.).
My YouTube reply:
Anthony saying “how can we explain this”? The explanation is well known, labeled by NSIDC as “The Great Arctic Cyclone of 2012”:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2012/08/a-summer-storm-in-the-arctic/
This storm broke up the ice and blew a bunch of it out of the arctic ocean. Anthony/”Hitler” knows this (see WUWT, 8/27/12). So does the author of this Downfall vid, since he adds the line “we can’t blame it on wind again.” Yeah? Tell that to NSIDC.
Does saying that someone is worse than the Nazis count as “hate speech” in the United States?
http://youtu.be/vhxRS6fPCbA
A simple why?
richardscourtney wrote: (September 3, 2012 at 4:35 am): “Nonsense! He (Hitler) was a fascist: i.e. as right-wing as is possible.”
Richard, I suggest you got that wrong. He was to the “right” of Joseph Stalin only in that Germany’s convulsion was National Socialism, whereas Uncle Joe was “for” International Socialism. This meme was picked up by leftists and applied to all opinions to the right of Uncle Joe.
Enthusiasts included leaders of Italy, Germany, Portugal, Spain, Argentina and elements of the New Deal (until the chicken killed the Blue Eagle).
For further information, see
Anonymous. “Corporate Nationalism.” Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia, August 30, 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_nationalism
Anonymous. “Corporate Statism.” Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia, October 14, 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_State
Wikipedia. “Fascism.” Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia, March 30, 2009. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Johnson, Dr. Paul M. “Fascism.” A Glossary of Political Economy Terms, n.d. http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/fascism
Richman, Sheldon. “Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics.” Library of Economics and Liberty. Encyclopedia, n.d. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
richardscourtney wrote: (September 3, 2012 at 4:35 am): “Nonsense! He (der Fuehrer) was a fascist: i.e. as right-wing as is possible.”
Richard, I suggest you got that wrong. He was to the “right” of Joseph Stalin only in that Germany’s convulsion was <National Socialism, whereas Uncle Joe was “for” International Socialism. This meme was picked up by many leftists and applied to all opinions to the right of Uncle Joe.
Enthusiasts included leaders of Italy, Germany, Portugal, Spain, Argentina and elements of the New Deal (until the chicken killed the Blue Eagle).
For further information, see
Anonymous. “Corporate Nationalism.” Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia, August 30, 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_nationalism
Anonymous. “Corporate Statism.” Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia, October 14, 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_State
Wikipedia. “Fascism.” Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia, March 30, 2009. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Johnson, Dr. Paul M. “Fascism.” A Glossary of Political Economy Terms, n.d. http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/fascism
Richman, Sheldon. “Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics.” Library of Economics and Liberty. Encyclopedia, n.d. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
This is a second attempt. Apparently the use of adolph’s last name is fatal.
richardscourtney says:
September 3, 2012 at 10:00 am
“Greg House:
Your post at September 3, 2012 at 7:01 am claims fascists (i.e. the extreme right) are left wing. This demonstrates that your knowledge of political philosophies matches your knowledge of climate science.
Richard”
Socialism means the ownership of the means of production by the socialist state.
Fascism means the ownership of the means of production by the corporatist state and the corporations.
Mussolini started his political career as a socialist.
I don’t see much of a difference.
I know that the two groups fought each other, fighting for the power, which makes them even more similar.
How do you explain that Henry Ford supported Hitler as well as Stalin?
In Adam Curtis’ film “The Century Of The Self” you can see a film snippet of Goebbels congratulating FDR for the centralized planning of the New Deal.
The biggest problem with using the Hitler bunker video in this case, is that the comedic value of the satire only works if one is using it on some obviously petty comparison. For example, the Hillary Clinton satire in 2008 when her campaign was losing to Obama was just hilarious, precisely because on one actually thinks Hillary is Hitler. But here, the warmists are using the Hitler analogy without any satire, if they actually think \”denialists\” really are worse than Hitler. It\’s then just a straight comparison, which is lame and not funny at all. The problem her is that these environmentalists just have no sense of humor, so they don\’t know how humor actually works.
Pooh, Dixie:
re your post at September 3, 2012 at 12:15 pm.
I know extremists of all political stripes like to rewrite history, but your claiming H1tler’s political party was left-wing is worthy of Goebbels himself. Fascism is the extreme end of the political right.
But you claim all those socialists who flocked to Spain to fight fascism were fighting against the left? And the German aircraft that H1tler ordered to bomb those socialists out of existence were there because Franco, Mussolini and H1tler were of the left?
Your revisionism is contemptible. And it is absurd.
Richard
When all else fails try logic.
I haven’t bothered to view the video since I know already the gist of what it says – ‘Tell me your sect and I will tell you your opinions’. However, it is possible to devise an argument supporting the ‘worse than Nazis’ view…
1. Define ‘worse’ as ‘causing more deaths’.
2. The Nazis caused say 100 million deaths (total killed in battle, slaughtered in camps, died of malnutrition, illness etc)
3. The alarmists believe that unchecked CAGW will cause vastly more than 100m deaths. One proponent suggests 9 billion (yes, that is 9,000,000,000) deaths by 2100 but he’s maybe given to exaggeration.
4. Those of us obstructing the elimination / mitigation of CAGW are contributing to these deaths.
QED
I need hardly say that I doubt the producers of the video base their comments on this argument; they are yah-boo politicians not logicians.
jorgekafkazar says: September 2, 2012 at 3:24 pm
GeoLurking says: “On 13 March [1933], Goebbels had his reward for his part in bringing the Nazis to power by being appointed Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda … with a seat in the Cabinet.”
I’ve watched several of Goebbels’s speeches and wonder if he was hired to make Hitler’s speeches look sane by comparison.
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Same reason that Obama has Biden
@richard Courtney
The single axis model of politics is too simplistic, albeit useful for the left wing as fascism maps to the right wing.
More useful is the political triangle
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/TCH.CHAP31.HTM
which shows that both the communist and fascist mind set lie firmly in the authoritarian, where the state is the only answer to problems. Politically the right wing believes more in the responsibility of the individual.
Dear Mr. Watts:
I sympathize. A series I did on IBM’s mainframe Linux a few years ago drew nearly 3,000 pieces of hate mail -including a hand written note fedexed to my home.
However, what you have here is the result of an illogical confluence. Hate is really the province of the far left in politics and leftists tend to be warmists while warmists tend to be leftists. It doesn’t make obvious sense, but it’s true: the hate addressed to climate sceptics comes from the political left, not from those few among the educated who still believe warmism has objective support.
On the positive side, they’re comparing you to one of their own heros: Hitler, after all, was the leader of Germany’s National Socialist Worker’s Party – a man who, despite the difference in public posture on the means, would have embraced Obama’s goals as his own.
I know; that’s shocking, over-the-top, absurd – but it’s also true, and there’s an explanation: both versions of socialism (along with those headlined by such benefactors of humanity as messrs Mao, Stalin, Mugabe, Pol, Pot, and the Nietzschean theorists of Showa Japan) go back to the same ideas, the same people – Malthus and a whole scat of German “thinkers” preaching resource limitations and the religious role in human morality.
Eric Hunter,
Personally, I think Hitler was a Leftist. But since he lost the war, the winners get to categorize him however they like.
Eric Huxter:
At September 3, 2012 at 1:36 pm you say to me
Every model of anything is “too simplistic” for some purposes.
In this case, the issue was the lie that H1tler and his political party were left wing. Fascism was and is right wing, extremely right wing. Arguments about “models” are an obfuscation useful to the right when attempting to provide confusion about the causes of WW2.
More importantly, totalitarians exist across the entire political spectrum. Stalin from the extreme left and H1tler from the extreme right were totalitarians. So was Mao Tse Dung, and Pol Pot and …
Totalitarianism is the greatest of political threats because totalitarians kill millions and harm many more millions. The lie that H1tler was not of the right – or e.g. that Stalin was not of the left – lowers defence against totalitarianism because it calls on people to only defend against totalitarianism from part of the political spectrum.
Richard
Left-wing, Right-wing, Socialist, Communist, Facist, even Theocracist (Did I just invent a word?) all have one thing in common, subject the choice of the individual to the choice of those who control the State.
I’m a born-again Christian. You have the right to reject him or not. I do not have the right to force you to choose one way or the other. Vice-versa.
Dr Mann visits a lunatic asylum. As he walks among the patients he is congratulated by them on his hockey stick creation. One man doesn’t congratulate him.
“Why aren’t you congratulating me for my genius in creating the hockey stick?” Asks Mann.
“I’m just a nurse,” replies the man, “I’m not mad.”
Gunga Din:
re your post at September 3, 2012 at 2:42 pm.
YES! And that is why totalitarianism is so very, very evil. As you say, those who proclaim totalitarians only exist on the left or on the right are plain wrong, and I add that they are dangerous.
Richard
Richard, I know that the leftist press likes to pretend that Hitler and his National Socialist Workers’ Party was “right-wing,” but it’s simply not true. National Socialism, like Scientific Socialism, was a movement of the far Left. The National Socialists, like all movements of the Left, sought to subordinate the individual and the church to the State, for the common good:
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” -A. Hitler
The nutty extreme Right is exemplified by hyper-individualism, the extreme Left by its opposite, as expressed very well in this quote:
“National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over.” -A. Hitler
richardscourtney says:
September 3, 2012 at 2:08 pm:
“More importantly, totalitarians exist across the entire political spectrum. Stalin from the extreme left and H1tler from the extreme right were totalitarians.”
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According to what criterion?
Let us say, there is a new party XYZ. According to what criterion should this party be considered left or right?
And note that there can be only one criterion, because otherwise a party could be left and right at the same time under circumstances.
richardscourtney wrote: September 3, 2012 at 1:12 pm ” Fascism is the extreme end of the political right.” & “Your revisionism is contemptible. And it is absurd.”
You might refer to what Eric Huxter writes on September 3, 2012 at 1:36 pm. Or to the links provided in my original post: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/02/quote-of-the-week-i-guess-were-just-beyond-evil-now/#comment-1070713
However, I think you got it right in your post of http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/02/quote-of-the-week-i-guess-were-just-beyond-evil-now/#comment-1070783
where you identify totalitarianism as the essence of a murderous evil (with authoritarianism in a milder second place).
– “Totalitarianism is any political system in which a citizen is totally subject to state authority in all aspects of day-to-day life. It goes well beyond dictatorship or typical police state measures, and even beyond those measures required to sustain total war with other states. It involves constant brainwashing achieved by propaganda to erase any potential for dissent, by anyone, including most especially the state’s agents. http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/totalitarianism
– “In an authoritarian state citizens are subject to state authority in many aspects of their lives, including many that other political philosophies would see as matters of personal choice. ” http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/authoritarianism
As you can see, both override the citizen’s right to choose for him/herself. That right is the definition of liberty. In our country, liberty is tempered by constitutional law.
Ultimately, the endowment of human liberty can be suppressed only by force.
Lastly, I suspect we can agree that whatever clever words were used in public, the core of both was tyranny.